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djoe21:
Good you are reading up now so you don't make claims that are unfounded.

By the way, are you a catholic or you just go worship there sometimes?

Ok, you explain it: why can't they marry? Nobody can give any type of sane answer

I am not a Catholic but I have Catholic family members

ctleurocollege:
If you want to understand the church, get baptized afterwards join Catechism class, you will understand and like the church, that's why people don't leave

Well that's my point; you people should be able explain the church without me having to visit there

Emyben:
The second to the last paragraph of your text sounds like a beer parlor gist amongst a group of uninformed friends and I'm glad you aren't part of them.
Now look at that text again, try to recount how they sold that narrative to you. Does it make sense? I bet you NO.

Sometimes, when narratives are sold to you/us, it is left for you to discern whether it makes sense or not. Sometimes, it might just be people blabbing because of dislike.

You can read up on the Catholic non tolerance of witches in the 15th century and you will be amazed on why someone should ever label the Catholic Church fetish. I find it laughable and funny... Lol and you should too.

For your first paragraph, about not understanding the Catholic mass. You are not expected to.
You can only understand the mass if you are educated and taken through the significance of everything that happens in the mass. Especially during the Eucharist.

And forgive us, we use Latin too sometimes. It's the Catholic lingua.

Lol,, thats exactly what it was like. They were a really ignorant bunch of people but I had to work with them on something

Well its not the church that they said was fetish, it was a few members. so they were just suggesting that the priests dont care if their offerings come via dubious means. That isnt really too hard to believe considering the state of the country right now

Well that witch thing was pretty harmful... i should think quite a lot of innocent people died the same way innocent kids are dying nowadays because of the pentecostal obsession with witchcraft...it doesnt really preclude fetishistic involvement

I dont particularly believe it, but i wouldnt be surprised if it were true. Then again there is a problem with African mentality that associates any kind of success with having a sinister source. Along with plain old jealousy

Oh lol thanks. I get why i didnt understand it now... i thought maybe i was imagining it the way it incensed you hahaha

Emyben:
First of all, your first paragraph reeks of what I earlier quoted that I wanted to avoid.
Peace is RELATIVE. The way you felt uncomfortable in my Church is the way I felt uncomfortable in a Pentecostal church I once attended. I found it too noisy and lacking of decorum required a place of worship.
The Anglican Church was a bit better because of its semblance to the Catholic serenity but at a point, it went the pentecostal route and I left.

Like a guy stated earlier there while quoting you... Find what gives you peace and follow it. If it disgusts you, you shouldn't bother.

As for your last paragraph, I'm glad you have noticed too. I hope you don't join them. Whatever reason they give you is false and I implore you not to join the bandwagon.
For one, the accusation of being fetish that you just mentioned here is too laughable.
I can't even begin to imagine how stupid whoever told you that sounded.

Oh, excuse me. Thats just what happened to me when I went there. I really couldnt get what the priest was saying...it was a bit too remote for my liking.

I should have separated my question; I didnt mean to imply that you couldnt possibly find it peaceful just because I didnt.. It was just the sequence of my thoughts as I was writing

As I said, you dont know which church I attend... I dont feel at home in pentecostal churches either because of the reasons you describe... the theatrics of it is a bit too much for me even though I understand why its necessary for some people. And i think the use of tongues and gifts of the spirit can be abused at times

Yeah I notice those offensive comments and I dislike them. But at the same time, its probably some backlash for people calling Pentecostals "quacks", "corrupt" and other names. So it can be tit for tat

Well it was a conversation between a group of pentecostals I was in the same room with. They said that all the yahoo, yahoo plus, g-men and all those are usually staunch Catholics and thats why you guys have such ornate and beautiful chapels, because criminals dedicate them from the proceeds of their fetish practices.

Its a terrible thing for somebody to say but it did make me wonder...

Alexaonfleek:
the hail Mary is a prayer,the rev.fr could give you any prayer,sometimes use psalm to pray......it varies.
Like the other guy said,if you want further clarifications,please go to a Catholic church near you.

P.s the hail Mary as a prayer also comes from the Bible

I see.

Well I told him before he started trying to slice me into abacha, I have been to several Catholic catechisms and I can never get the gist of it.

So i took the opportunity to ask you people because when I go there again now it will be the same thing.

You are sitting in the church, they will start reciting one prayer, standing, kneeling, sitting in a particular order which I wont know.

They will start singing... the words of the song will not be displayed anywhere for me to read but they will just be singing it...can you see how it would be difficult for an outsider to understand you people?

Emyben:
First and foremost, no one is taking the silent guy or whatever his name is serious.
You can see how we blatantly ignored him. He is not worth our time.

I actually replied you because I sensed a little sincerity of purpose in your question. If not, I would have equally ignored you.
Coming to the Hail Mary.. Every wording of that prayer comes from Bible. Hail thee Mary, Full of grace, the Lord is with you (I'm sure it sounds familiar to you)
It comes from the annunciation down to the wedding at Canaan where Mary was asked to pray to his son to provide wine.

The Holy Rosary has series of devotional prayers attached to it. It is called the mysteries. These prayers are lifted verbatim from the Bible. Yes, From the BIBLE which we are funnily and falsely accused of not using.

It is meant for absolute devotion. In as much as the wordings of the hail Mary are repeated, the mysteries or devotional prayers are never the same. And, we all forget the fact that Jesus taught us how to pray.. We also say the 'Our Father' several times.

Remain blessed...

I see... interesting

So what is the necklace/ beads for? The one that looks like Islamic beads??

And why does the number of penances correspond to the greatness of the sin youve committed? Why cant you just say it once for the whole thing

Emyben:
How can I be insecure in a Church where I have found peace? In a Church with the largest number of humans on earth whom I can call brothers and share my faith in Christ with?

I never accused you personally but it's obvious that every other Christian denomination dislikes and condemns the Catholics.
Hell nah, even the Buddhists and Hindus loves us more than our so called fellow Christians.

Goes a long way to show how Christian the so Ed Christians are. Shalom

So what about it gives you peace? The last time I went there I didnt get anything out of it... in fact the preaching was really something else...I wasnt even sure if the man was still speaking English or latin or what... I had to get up and stand in the lobby

Were you born into it?

To be honest I think its some pentecostal denominations that express disdain for Catholic and orthodox churches. I often hear offensive comments coming from them about not being baptised in the spirit and all that stuff....And they complain that Catholics have too many fetishists

allthingsgood:
I am not hostile. If u calm down and read what I wrote u will get the answer u seek. I try to educate u. However If u are not a Catholic then please don't bother. Just stick with ur church

You are busy snarking at me, to what end? Is it what your priest told you to do...?

What do you mean dont bother...

Just explaining a single point of doctrine or dogma to a layman shouldnt rile you this much

Emyben:
You've said all you can for now.
They all fail to realize that a Catholic will never devote a precious minute of his time to argue with someone who has locked his or her heart from ever understanding the Church.

They can stick with their Church.
The Catholic Church keeps growing everyday... People are seeing the light. And at 2.3 billion, they make up 75% of Christianity.

According to them, we are all going to hell.. Lol

You shouldnt project your insecurities onto me, I am not the one cursing you people to hell. You dont even know which church I attend Why are you being unnecessarily cantankerous

SilentRiddles:
Do you think Jesus Christ hated the Pharisees? Why didn't he just ignore them and focus on His disciples, you know, "live and let's live" things? No, Jesus always criticised them and called them hypocrites and vipers and they hated Jesus for saying the truth and exposing their lies and deceits? If you have the Spirit of God, you will hate every form of satanic manipulations.

Lol how can a Catholic be a pharisee... though I find them ritualistic, I dont think it can be that bad

Emyben:
Your question sounds like you want to make jest of the Church. A subtle way of asking questions meant to denigrate another.

For the avoidance of doubt, I will answer you.
But I will rephrase your question to this.
'Why does the priest give the confessor PRAYERS to say and what does the prayers do?'

I am sure that after I have rephrase your questions, the answer is right there starring you at your face.

The confession is in the sacrament of penance. The prayers given by the priest are meant to help or guide you make your penance. It is not the only prayer that you should say. You should ask God for forgiveness but in asking him for forgiveness, you should say and meditate on the prayers which the priest have given you during the confession.

It is not only the Hail Mary, I wonder your obsession with the Hail Mary. It consists of many other prayers. It is similar to your pastor praying for you and giving you prayer points when you meet him for counselling.

I hope you have understood this. If your intent is to learn, you can ask a true catholic outside there but if your intent is to make mockery, please don't. Catholics rarely pay attention to people who wants to insult their religion. They simply ignore them.

Im sure you can see it manifesting here. Catholics rarely get into arguments with people who do not have an open heart to learn about them.
Thanks my dear and May God bless you.

I sometimes have a dry way of speaking but in this case, I meant no harm. I just find some Catholic practices very strange and when I ask about it nobody can give a serious answer

Lol i dont have an obsession with Hail Mary, thats what I always hear them repeating and quite frankly i find it disturbing that somebody could just be repeating the same thing every day for hours.. thats why I remember it

But does the priest ever rotate the prayer or write a new one? Or is it just the same one...

no Im not making a mockery. But dont you see the other guy who wants to chew you people up? So how can my own be mockery.. his own is 100 times worse

Gandollaar:
I asked the same question earlier, what does she want?

Hm. Well we still have 4 years of her left so Im sure we will soon get to know smh

allthingsgood:
It can't be ur thing because udont understand. First of all it's not a "service". If u want service u can get that in Pentecostal amusement parks/fashion parade. But if u choose to be a Catholic u will have to open ur mind and ur heart. There are many sacrements in Catholic church, d one u are referring to is penance.

This is the problem, somebody is asking you a genuine question and youre being unnecessarily hostile. Im not interested in being a Catholic I just want to know what the whole thing is about because truly you people are quite enigmatic

The way I was trained, a church gathering is referred to as a service, so thats what Im going to call it

After vociferating you havent actually told me what the hail mary is supposed to do

SilentRiddles:
It's a demonic incantation directed to a demon called 'Queen of Heaven.'

Read the Bible yourself, my dear. Start from John chapter 1. One chapter a day.

I use a manual. anyway why are you so against them? why not live and let live

Kokaine:
na wa oh
This marriage of a thing is very difficult. When I see issues like this it makes me want to marry a white woman

Lol nwanyi ocha get their own problem if you dont know...every time you have a long phonecall with your brother she will be looking at you in your face and dont even try sending anybody any money at all at all

allthingsgood:
You are not telling a person. The priest is Christ's authority on Earth. Why do u take ur troubles to ur pastor But u do that because it's convenient for u. Catholic church is not a place of convenience. It's ways are not your ways. If u want to learn, then come to cathechism

But when you tell him and he says "Say 10 Hail marys" What does it do?

To be honest, I tried attending catholic services when i was in school but it wasnt my thing.

Gandollaar:
Get afraid? Lol you were here when she lambasted them including her husband on international radio
She's so unlike northern Muslim women. She's so outspoken and Nigerians thank her for it.

She is but I cant help feeling that its some kind of agenda. as in what exactly is her problem? The cabal is not going to stop controlling her elderly husband, so now what?

SilentRiddles:
It's a false teaching. He will not be able to cite anywhere in the Bible that supports or justifies it. The catholic church is full of false teachings and their members rarely have any true relationship with God. Confess your sin to God only and He will cleanse you once and for all!

Well where does it come from and what is it for These things dont just come out from nowhere.. there must be a reason for it

allthingsgood:
You think confession is easy Smh. Whuy not stop the next stranger on ur way and tell him how u masturbated last night, tell him how u lust after your father's wife or stole your brothers cash. It's u pentecostal that practice religion of convenience. You guys are hypocrites and more or less just fashion and business centers

Oh please, thats another thing i forgot to ask.. what really is the purpose of that confession of a thing?

How will you remember every single bad thing you did in the week? Why do you need to tell somebody all your embarrassing secrets...

Alexaonfleek:
being a rev.father has its pros and cons.men who decide to be rev.fathers know fully well that they will not have wives or children.
Usually the priest sees the church members as his family or the closest thing he has to a family.

That's why before and during the years of formation the rev.fr has a lot of time to think it over and over.

It's just how it is,just the way you sometimes forfeit one thing in other to achieve another thing in life.i could give you practical examples but we're in a public forum.

Well I still think it's unfair but thank you for explaining it to me anyway. Its good for different denominations of the church to discuss important issues...Cheers

SilentRiddles:
You cannot decide not to marry. Celibacy was a gift to Paul. God commands everyone to marry, and not to 'burn' with lust while forcing yourself to stay celibate. I can quote Bible passages to back them up for you. Don't go outside the Bible. Stick to the Bible. They go outside the Bible to try to justify idolatry and so-called 'fatherhood' or 'priesthood.'

I know but im just trying to understand why they think its good...they are still the biggest religion on the planet upon all the things that the Catholic church has caused

At least there must be something keeping all of them there

Alexaonfleek:
you don't necessarily have to be a priest before you serve God.you can serve God even when married,you can preach the gospel and be a missionary even when married.infact,the Catholic doctrine makes us belive that we are all priests by virtue of our baptism,spreading the word of God and just influencing people positively around you.the only difference is that these priests are ordained and only they have the right to celebrate mass while we religious do not celebrate mass.in summary what I'm just saying is that you can serve God even without being a priest.

Of course I know all those things, but i mean if one decides it is his vocation in life to be a reverend father, its unfair to then make him abandon the idea of having a family to call his own

If somebody feels he is supposed to do something it should not be at the cost of something so important as your wife and kids

Gforce2015:
My broda, read btw the line you see more than what the op has just scripted.... You can't be of great value to the family and a right thinking guy will tell you that you are not valuable to him...
I'm a guy, I know how it works...

The man has an issue with her, thats why he's saying that. I dont think its to do with money. Hes just trying to hurt her feelings

Alexaonfleek:
as for the candles and statues part they are just simply symbolization.the candles signify the presence of the holy spirit present while the statues remind us of who they actually represent i.e the statue of Jesus reminds us of Jesus

Just the same way a picture of your mum will remind you of her

Okay i understand it now, thanks

Gandollaar:
She could have masterminded the whole thing to send a message.

Only God knows what the woman really wants that she's not getting and that can make her ruffle feathers the way she does without minding.

Thats what Im wondering.. doesnt she get afraid with all the noise she's making? Or maybe Bubu listens to her

Alexaonfleek:
hon.im a Catholic.being a priest is not by force.if u feel u can be a priest,then u go right ahead.even in the seminary(that is their years of training,they have the choice to leave if they feel like).one of the reason why Catholic priest dont marry is because if the fact that having a family can be quite distracting.

Okay, thanks for your comment but dont you think its unfair to make the man choose between serving in his role and having his own family?

If you feel that you have been called by God and that its your dream and destiny to be something then it would be hard to ignore or make that choice

Lol everybody wants to talk but nobody wants to read

SHE SAID SHE WORKS!

I dont get it... is it selective vision or what

you saw the part about their fighting and where he told her to leave the house but when she said she works and they are not looking for money anywhere, suddenly you people become dyslexic and start typing about all the parasitic women you have dated in your life

Gforce2015:
For me, I don't think the woman is contributing to the family... Is like the woman is a parasite... And the man think am so tee ... And he come dey take am dey talk to am...
Lemme say this: ladies of nowadays supposed to make themselves valuable by contributing to the family financially... I dated a lady sometime ago, the only value I saw in that lady was ; she can cook n make love very well... This is not good enough for a guy... Make yourself more resourceful and valuable in some many aspects... Research on things that I'll make you indispensable before your husband and do them...
The era of housewife has past... Ladies of easy virtue ain't selling any more....
I'm a guy, can you imagine Mrs. Ibukun awosika or Folorunsho alakija 's husband telling her to pack and that she's not valuable....
Something is missing... The truth must be told... Work on yourself ... You can used makeup to attract a guy but marriage is more than that...
To some guys, this is not a big deal but to your husband , it's a big deal... So work on yourself...
Period! and thank me later

Lol I don confuse... She said in the post that she and her husband both work and are comfortable. What, for goodness sake, are you writing

LOL

Wait let me finish my biscuit

Adexvivacity:
I cant really explain how I feel when I read some comments about Buhari.
Is it hatred that makes some people to comment stupidly and talk shit that doesn't happen or they are naturally stupid?
Get yours a job and think well before commenting trash that never happened.

Why doesnt he step down so that nobody will ever talk about him again

Why is he imposing himself on our lives

philos:
Catholic priesthood is not for everyone. It is for the strong-willed. It involves huge sacrifices. The reward extremely outweighs the sacrifices.
The former priest wasn't strong enough to swim against the current of the lust of the flesh and the world. He could not witness to Christ and the celibacy that Christ stood for and recommended for those who would willingly share in His chaste and Priestly ministry.
Mr. Edet has achieved what he wanted. There's more to that than meets the eye. The ultimate destination is Heaven, for those who truly believe.
I wish him well.

Chai! Lust of the flesh? For his entire life? chaste and what

Mehn, Catholics are really something. And your churches look so interesting but I dont get the logic that you people use to understand things

How would a fully functioning adult male be expected to remain chaste for his entire natural life for the sake of Jesus, Jesus didnt ask any of us to do that

And whilst we're here can you please explain the significance of those tiny candles and statues because I could never get what the whole thing was about

SURElee:
I have never agreed it with. Why confine them to celibacy on paper when dem dey lash nuns and molest young boys?

Thank you for explaining. I have always questioned this.

I am reading up on it now... the defence is that its because they are supposed to be "married to the church" and concentrate on leading the church and not sex...

But they are thinking of changing it because it's scaring men away from the priesthood.

I hope they change it and combat that paedophilia stuff because its one thing that makes me feel somehow worshipping there