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Mindfulness:
Virgin = good
Non virgin = not good



Isn't it understandable someone who didn't choose what you consider right would feel attacked?

"Feel attacked" how? Even the OP told us that he stumbled, explained why he thought it was an error on his part and advised people not to follow in his footsteps as per any normal Christian advice so what's the problem?

It's not

virgin=good

Non-virgin = not good

It's

virgin = followed Gods commandment

Non-virgin= didn't follow God's commandment

And

Non-thief= followed Gods commandment

Thief= didn't follow God's commandment

If you know you broke the commandment you accept that you've failed in that particular instance and take whatever comes of it and move on.

You don't fly off the handle every time it's mentioned just to rubbish people who have managed to keep it because you feel bad about yourself.

Does a thief reserve the right to get angry every time they mention "Thou shalt not steal" Won't you tell the fellow to pipe down and stop making unnecessary noise?

There's a proverb in Igbo that says that an old lady gets touchy and agitated whenever dry bones are mentioned.

I notice that every time chastity is mentioned on here people quickly fly to discount and make jest of it just to console themselves and it's not right in my opinion.

sonmvayina:
The sign of Isaiah 7:4 is for King ahaz, it was a sign that his kingdom will not be distorted.. And his lineage ended.. It has got nothing to do with jesus or Mary..
The woman in question was Isaiah" s wife.. She was about to give birth.. Meaning she was already pregnant when Isaiah was writing.. Context is key.

So where actually is the prophesy? Because the post you refuted is quite a standard explanation.

GrayBeard:
Fair, tempered, reasoned and enlightened response.

Thank you Sir

sapientia:
It could have been any other lady and Joseph will still listen to the angel.

Joseph was just a normal Jew from the tribe of David. He was not even special.

When the appointed time for Jesus to be born reached, the seed of David and his wife was selected.

Thats all.

What matters is only JESUS.

You're talking outside of the point. You said that Mary was not special but Joseph.

You now changed to Joseph too is not special when you're the one who even brought out Joseph.

See confusion smh

GrayBeard:
My dear sister, the whole concept of Mary's virginity is totally misconceived. Na lie. Na fabu - arising from babanla mistranslation. Please read -

In the same way that in the English language the words “young woman” does not indicate sexual purity, in the Hebrew languagethere is no relationship between the words almah and virgin. On the contrary, it is usually a young woman who bears children. The word alma only conveys age/gender. Had Isaiah wished to speak about a virgin, he would have used the word betulah1 (בְּתוּלָה) not almah. The word betulah appears frequently in the Jewish Scriptures, and is the only word – in both biblical and modern Hebrew – that conveys sexual purity.

https://outreachjudaism.org/alma-virgin/

Yes, I have seen that but my point is still valid.

Having a child out of wedlock doesn't mean that you're consigned to the dustbin but it doesn't mean that people who try to give birth in the order that God ordained should be derided.

People here keeping saying "God can use anybody" as if people who try to do the right thing are stupid.

Virgin or young maiden or whatever, pointing out a good quality in another person shouldn't make you flare and jump up to rubbish it unless you have an unresolved issue within yourself.

It looks like inferiority complex if you ask me. That you failed somewhere doesn't mean everybody should fail too so that you will feel better.

nB "you" here is an impersonal "you", not that I'm necessarily aiming my post at you

Ikem11:
Don't say she doesn't have a choice she did. She could have said no i don't want it and God wont kill her cos that's her free will that God gave her...

Same way till today we still have a choice to choose to steal or not nobody force anybody for anything

But people still suffer the consequences for going outside of Gods plan right?

What about Jonah?

If she had said no she wouldn't have been as fulfilled as she later became

We have a choice to say no to God but we shouldn't complain if we later begin to regret

BitCraftman:
Consider Isaiah 7:14

Many prophecies were given regarding Jesus and we saw them fulfilled all over Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. The conception of Jesus by a virgin was one of them.

I don't understand what that has to do with my comment.

Anyway the requirement was just that she was childless and not that she was a virgin.

We later took it to mean sexual purity. Which is not bad in and of itself

sapientia:
Mary was not chosen.

The wife of Joseph was chosen.

Most marry as virgins those days.

Joseph was the one from the tribe of David, not Mary.

Yes and he almost dumped her when she found out she was pregnant.

So she still had to take a lot onto her shoulders as "wife of Joseph" that a lot of other women wouldn't have liked to risk that kind of embarrassment for.

BitCraftman:
Mary, a Virgin, conceived Jesus as sign from God. If Jesus had come from a disvirgined woman, then it would have been one less sign. Remember Jesus won many souls by the signs and wonders He performed.
The act of a virgin conceiving itself was just one of those signs.

I was grappling with this concept after reading.

God still used immoral and undeserving people to prove his points so is this argument not circular?

But since the question is about Mary in particular, her own particular path in life was tied to being a virgin, among other things.

How will you know what blessings you missed if you don't keep the law? That God redeems people when they fail doesn't mean they actually have license to indulge their failures.

This is what people who are insulting the OP refuse to understand. See how they're flaring because of a simple message.

Because God will still use non-virgins, that's why nobody should be encouraged to remain chaste right? Smh

bindukwe:
The humans playing the idea aren't sacred but

Yes! I'm interested. It's something for me to chew on

CeterisXVII:
Babe, there are times you want to express something so badly, and English words just are not enough to convey the depth of your feelings? It was one of those moments....

Lol yes o, I understand. Your exasperation was showing through to the point that I dont even need a translation haha

Jaqenhghar:
The truth is a point of view. There are kids born to some very horrible parents and learn nothing yet there are children born out of wedlock to loving parents (or a loving parent) and end up being productuve ti the society. thats why we must think beyond just the ritual of marrigae and what is most important for a child which is the love and care. Anyway you guys live in a society where people do things for the sake of doing things not because they can point to any tangible result of that action

Youre getting too emotional.

Its not a "point of view". Its a statistically proven fact that children born to single parents are worse off in life. All these exceptional circumstances youre giving dont change that.

Stop talking talking like marriage is irrelevant when its been objectively proven that it isnt.

bindukwe:
They are only representatives of the idea of ancestral spirits. It doesn't make them transhuman.

Its like acting, they are playing a character.

So why are they still sacred?

PerfectMatchNG:
Most female here says "No" Only temporary stay
Do you know if these I laws where they ones that paid his fees while in school, fed him when he had nothing?

Make una think o

If they care enough to do all that then they should also be loving enough to understand that their brother needs some space with his wife, Gracias

Bestlily and Blankstare you people shouldn't mind those small-minded people o, history is great!

Jisie ike ooo our dear "memory cells"

Originalsly:
Great.... happy married life. Moving on..... ehmmm.... is this one available?

Lol awon zoom in and crop

Jaqenhghar:
I am dead serious. When they say you people are backwards you start foaming at the mouth and convulsing. Someone born out of wedlock is beneath human to you. SMH

I don't think that acknowledging that some circumstances of birth are more ideal than others is necessarily wrong.

It's a fact that being born to married parents is better for a child than being born to a single parent. That's not condemning them, its just the truth.

Jaqenhghar:
...and what is wrong with baby mamas and children born out of wedlock? Are they not human beings too?

You are not serious

Gforce2015:
Churchill junior is fast-growing up. Tonto has gotten what he needed from Churchill and she don't Japa with the kids.
Guys, this is another strategy that all this slay queen use now. Give yourself brain

I think this was a smart strategy; I'm quite surprised

She just got her son and cleared herself. No evening newspaper talk

CeterisXVII:
Please take yourself out of my mentions. I do NOT need a tutorial from you, on how to handle my hair. Irú elénìní wo, l'elèyi?

these Yoruba nuggets you keep leaving just dey sweet me and I can't even understand what you're saying hahaha

1Sharon:
Did you go through this thread? I was saying that Nigerians don't have healthy hair practices and everyone was jumping on my comment and insulting me instead, I was offering advice..jheezz

Did you go through the thread? I concurred several times that our haircare practices are lacking yet you kept droning on and on as if you're the only person who's ever watched a YouTube tutorial before.

Saying that putting attachments in children's hair is "self-hate"and stating categorically that

1Sharon:
blk women don't look good in weaves

Will definitely evoke a response because it's a controversial opinion. If you have something to say state your case, argue intelligently and take in what other people say before responding.

Don't vomit ignorant statements all over and then start whining when people challenge you on them.

Nobody is your slave here that we have to take your condescending, arrogant diatribes lying down.

1Sharon:
Thank you! And no I'm perfectly ok with braids they just shouldn't be tight. That's all.

Nawa for you o, I acknowledged your view several times and you still ran about insulting everybody over nothing.

midnighter:
I understand that we have a problem with inferiority complex and making our hair look more "white"

Maybe you should try actually reading what I wrote next time instead of talking off point smh

She can experiment with light lipgloss with a light colour or faint glitter. Those tiny metallic lipgloss palettes (pink, purple, clear) with a tiny applicator inside

She can paint her toenails any time.

She can paint her fingernails during the holidays

She can apply traditional pigment dyes like Uri or Laali or Henna on a special occasion.

I don't really believe in "white powder". I think a good moisturiser is better if you're worried about the kids face looking shiny.

When she reaches maybe 14 I can allow her to clean up (not carve oo) her brows if she has very thick ones.

She can sew in a few tracks of weave-on

This is all under the age of 16.

After 16 she can carve and draw on her brows

She can wear foundation, setting powder, lipstick and fix her nails and lashes on special occasions

I think almost any type of wig or weave on is also obtainable after 16 as long as its not too flashy

And this is all with her fathers permission

Biglittlelois:
I know of someone, a male, he is here on nl, he has a very long nose, the nose is annoyingly long, straight and pointed that I wonder if he is mixed but he isn't, he is just a typical naija guy from the South South, I'm actually waiting for her to come and tell us he is a white guy in pure African skin from a confused gene, lol.

Yes lol I also saw some isoko guy with a pointy nose and thin lips. I asked him if he was Fulani and he told me that everybody asks him that. Maybe it's even the same fellow sef

Very funny argument lol

Surrey2Bimshire:
To be honest I’m a little disappointed reading her comments.
Yeah she’s constantly being Disrespectful and aggressive sounds like the typical “overzealous I know it all ,it’s either my way or no way movement “
A lot of these lots claim to be part of the natural hair movement and would scream blue murder if you point out their BS.
Some of them will go as far as calling you a “Hair Hat”and when you point out to them you’ve been natural all your live they’d quickly crawl back to their cave !
The flat nose and full lip part got me confuse lol I had to fix my glasses to be sure I wasn’t reading it differently. Smh !
I’ve got long arse straight nose lol(I don’t like my nose ) with full arse lips and I’m blacker than Wesley snipes
I could easily pass for any Adeola, Hamida ,Adaora,Afia,Abena,Shyma,Or chandni lol

Yes! That's what I can't understand. Even just walking down the street you can find people with long noses and thin lips so I don't see the point she was making.

If she had said that people sometimes value those features more than the flat nose/big lips that are more common, which can lead to discrimination, I would see her point. Because its true.

But she's arguing like some report from some colonial governor from pre-independence..."it's absolutely impossible for the typical Negro male specie to possess a nose that raises to a point..."

Crazy!

Surrey2Bimshire:
I totally agree with you .
We have a lot of work to do sigh...

Lol yes o! Imagine a black person being racist back to you on top all that we're suffering already smh

Even Malcolm X and Martin Luther King fundamentally disagreed with each other yet still had a good relationship.

But apparently everybody who doesn't slavishly follow her own opinion must be "ignorant" smh

Surrey2Bimshire:
Hiya , marry me already ! Lol just joking .

To be honest , I try as much as possible to avoid people that are starting to discover their hair . A lot of these people can be overzealous and quick to run anyone that view things differently.
A lot of people take these things overboard .
They should go and slap on some Shea butter and leave other people’s hair alone arg .

Hahaha No be small Shea butter o

The thing is that the extremism ends up going full circle until you sound just as racist as the people you're fighting against.

Look at some of the language and sweeping generalisations she's using to describe people. And when you probe her on it now she starts dodging your questions and insulting you because she knows that there's no basis for what's she's saying at all.

Just like a typical racist!

I asked her what kind of facial features she saw in Nigeria on her last visit and she can't answer that simple question yet she's still arguing that black people always look a particular way. Does it make sense to you at all

Delusion smh

Surrey2Bimshire:
True , you’re right .

For some reason I feel some people prefer to ram black people into a specific box .
As a black woman from a multi cultural family I understand what diversity means , I don’t have to travel far to see different shades, hair types and certain features
I know quite a lot of black people with natural blond 4s and 3s with sun burnt blond hair .
I’m a type 3 and I have exact same color as the below pictures .
No we are not biracial or multiracial,I’m most likely more black african than a lot of people from there .

Is it not what I've been asking her since? If it's impossible for a black person to have those features then what did she see when she came to Nigeria? What does she see in her own family even?

You can see that she has been dodging that question.

Instead of looking down on people why not make an effort to understand their choices and what drove them? It's difficult to be a black woman in this world and different people have been affected by that in different ways, one of the primary ways being our hair.

If you're as woke as you say you are then you should understand how entrenched the hatred for Afro hair is in society and how it has trickled down into our consciousness.

Not arguing about yaki and blond as if people are too stupid to understand why they style their hair the way they want to style it smh

Surrey2Bimshire:
I know right . I find it funny when people constantly throw black women under the bus over nothing !

Hair extension ,weave ,wigs whatever are beauty enhancement .there are a lot of non black people that wear these hair piece and you don’t see people go bonkers .
My hair is a little over tail bone, there are times I want to to spot short hair ,change my hair colour etc I really don’t have to do much but to slap on some weave or wig it’s just common sense .

I understood where she was coming from because we have a problem with not being proud of our hair in its natural state compared to other races but I was just telling her not to generalize it to everybody, especially people plaiting their kids hair who are just trying to make the style look neat.

Instead of acknowledging that people have their reasons for using attachment that are not necessarily because of "self-hate" she ignored it and began to fixate on the word "blond" smh

Everybody does something to enhance their beauty...sometimes due to self-hate and sometimes not! So you shouldn't go about policing and attacking people without even considering the context of their behaviour.

This is why she ended up being racist instead of enlightened. Not all black people do the same thing for the same reasons. To assume so is racism!

1Sharon:
Where are your pics?

I don't care about Jesus

Lol! You'd better start caring because you need His forgiveness for your lies smh!

Unfortunate people everywhere. I hope you don't disturb those UK people too much sha, we don't really want to see you here until you receive small sense better remain there until then

I'm sure you will be all right in the end!

1Sharon:
Where are your pics?

You said blk ppl with THIN lips and STRAIGHT noses. I'm curious to see who these kind of people are.

So anybody who is reading this can see that I've asked you up to 3 times whether you saw what you claim is true for all black people when you visited Nigeria, which you've refused to answer because you know that you're a total liar!

Ezi ekeresimesi Maybe on Wednesday you'll begin to ask us what type of nose Jesus has smh