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Family › Re: Has Your Wife Ever Slapped You? What's Your Reaction? by midnighter(f): 8:27pm On Dec 18, 2019
eazzzy1:
I do not see it as an overkill because if it happens again and he retaliates, she will get her parents involved and they won’t believe she slapped first. It doesn’t have to be her parents, maybe her sibling, but it’s good to have a trusted third party bear witness.
I can see where you're coming from anyway; you are trying to be practical.

But I still think you should give your spouse the benefit of the doubt, if they are remorseful and not an obvious manipulator. I don't see how you would slap somebody and then run to your parents unless something is wrong with you.

It's a major step to take to report to a 3rd party so I don't think it should be done on a first-time occurrence. It's a private matter
Family › Re: No Gender Has The Exclusive Right To Be Violent - Solomon Buchi by midnighter(f): 7:41pm On Dec 18, 2019
Mindfulness:
Really? Where? I didn't know you can take someone to court for calling you names. All NLanders will spend Christmas in jail if that is so. grin
Lol no, I meant somebody who snapped and hit somebody who was verbally abusing them would be punished less than a person who just randomly beat somebody up

I was just lazy to type haha let me modify
Family › Re: No Gender Has The Exclusive Right To Be Violent - Solomon Buchi by midnighter(f): 7:34pm On Dec 18, 2019
crackhaus:
Knowledge of this fact is exactly why women who are devilishly manipulative take advantage of men by being verbally abusive, and then cry foul when they get their teeth kicked in.

Nothing worse than a manipulative woman, Belial has nothing on her.
Yes, which is why I couldn't understand what they were saying in that thread with the dude who hit his wife.

It was like some of them were reading a different post
Family › Re: No Gender Has The Exclusive Right To Be Violent - Solomon Buchi by midnighter(f): 7:12pm On Dec 18, 2019
crackhaus:
I assume you already know I'm not the one who ought to read all of this because it's exactly what I have been all about here.

DON'T PROVOKE, it's quite simple really if everyone took their heads out of their arsés. But alas, I'm not holding my breath for this miracle to happen.
Lol..I am still digesting the thread

From a logical standpoint it seems one way but the whole "don't ever hit a woman" stuff still comes in because of the proportional effect of man's strength vs a woman's.

We assume that the man's own would be worse, because most of the time, it is. So that's another factor.
Family › Re: No Gender Has The Exclusive Right To Be Violent - Solomon Buchi by midnighter(f):
crackhaus:
Apparently, it's perfectly okay to return violence for violence but very bad to use violence as a response to verbal abuse.
It is expected that you may fight back after being physically attacked; this is self-defence, you are trying to protect the integrity of your body.

It is not expected that you would go physical after being verbally abused, however allowances are made given that you were provoked.

The logic behind this is, you are only permitted to control yourself & set a good example in the latter, but with the former it's fair game - destroy the bítch if possible.
Being verbally abused only warrants being verbally abused back.

But we know that some people struggle to restrain themselves during that split-second and lash out physically. Which wouldn't have happened if you had kept your mouth shut.

Not that it's right, but it's understandable

In the case of violence ---> violence, the retaliation should still be reasonable.

If you slap somebody and they whack you halfway across the room and split your skull open, it will still be worse for them than if they gave you the same kind of slap back. Because you are still expected to use your judgement to decide on an appropriate response.

Even though both of those cases will still be mitigated, because the person was provoked

Also, the courts will definitely jail the person responding in the latter scenario, but will encourage the spouses to kiss and make up in the other scenario...assuming one of them is still alive.
Verbal---> physical will be punished but with a lighter sentence.

Violent----> violent will be punished but with a lighter sentence.

Both depend on what the nature of the reaction was and how much damage it inflicted. The couple would be counselled on whether it would be better for them to split or not, if it seems like they are endangering each other
Family › Re: Help, My Husband Is Causing Me Pain by midnighter(f): 6:53pm On Dec 18, 2019
Sterope:
That is why I said her parents are wicked. I am surprised she doesn't have siblings that can call out their BS. If they have any iota of respect for their child, they would settle this issue amicably without making their child feel sad and alone
I think it's clear that they're not going to help which is why she needs to be realistic about her situation to give herself the best chance of getting what she wants without the whole thing exploding into something else.

If the parents and siblings had called a meeting I'm sure this thing could have been different.

She needs to handle it carefully because when some husbands realise that their wife doesn't have support they use it to start oppressing her.

It's not all parents who are bothered about their children's welfare
Family › Re: Help, My Husband Is Causing Me Pain by midnighter(f): 6:32pm On Dec 18, 2019
Sterope:
So because she is not submissive, she should be not be allowed to earn an income.

He could as well flog her like his child to remove that unsubmissive spirit.

This is the first madness. Their child is just two. If someone can make this kinda of demoralising decision over another adult. She should sit tight, she is in for a very long ride.

May God not give us wicked parents!
Whether we like or agree with it or not, that's what the man thinks. That's what plenty of men think, unfortunately.

The guy is just something else.

I still can't believe her parents have nothing to say about it but maybe they're just brushing her off because they don't want her to get any ideas about packing out back to their house.
Family › Re: Has Your Wife Ever Slapped You? What's Your Reaction? by midnighter(f):
eazzzy1:
Good for you for not reacting violently. Now warn her sternly never to repeat what she did to you ever again, also report her to her folks and let them know the next time it happens you would retaliate.

If you do not do this, your wife will hit you whenever you have a misunderstanding, we make acceptable what ever we condone. i must commend you again for not reacting violently, you are a better guy than most of us. If you do not handle it now she will soon start slapping you in presence of visitors and outsiders.
Since this is a first-time occurrence, they should sort it out and resolve it themselves.

He doesn't need to involve her parents yet. Just the threat of doing that is enough for now.

Reporting her to her parents is overkill
Family › Re: Has Your Wife Ever Slapped You? What's Your Reaction? by midnighter(f): 5:44pm On Dec 18, 2019
Success02:
When I asked her for the spare key, she asked me with frown face "why do you want the key?" I replied why are u asking me? She said she has the right to ask and I told her what right, she just grabbed my shirt and d rest is slap
This woman is suspecting you.

And thank you for not doing anything, chai! Ka ooo shocked

Call her and ask her why she slapped you first. Then warn her never to try it again or you will involve her parents.

Hian. Is it season of Yuletide or season of slapshuh
Family › Re: No Gender Has The Exclusive Right To Be Violent - Solomon Buchi by midnighter(f): 5:35pm On Dec 18, 2019
Family › Re: No Gender Has The Exclusive Right To Be Violent - Solomon Buchi by midnighter(f): 5:28pm On Dec 18, 2019
Lol I tried reading through this thread but I don't understand what's going on

What I know is that if you slap somebody you can't be sure of whatever comes next so it's better for you if you just don't go there

You can't imagine what will pass through the other person's nervous system at lightning speed while they process your action

Except if you know you're going to slap and run cheesy
Family › Re: Help, My Husband Is Causing Me Pain by midnighter(f):
cococandy:
The basis of my reasoning is that rarely do people who act high handedly towards others get worn over by begging and all that stuff.

Most likely it will fuel his ego and reinforce the idea to him that he is the one who gets to decide what she does with her life.

She doesn’t necessarily have to point a gun at him and state “I have to start working today or something bad happens “

But when she gets serious, he will know. And it won’t be the begging him that will convince him.
At the bolded, do you care whether it fuels his ego or not?

My point is that as long as it got me to where I wanted to be, I wouldn't care if he feels like he gets to decide on my life or not. Is he not deciding that already?

Have you acknowledged the reason why he is acting "high-handedly"? From previous indications, he has a problem with her attitude

You have emphasised the importance of "showing that she is serious about working" without addressing the fact that he clearly has concerns about her ability to keep their home, which he fears will be made worse by her getting a job.

The guy keeps sending her on pointless errands just to prove his point; do you want her to ignore all the signs and make it worse?

My question is, how can she show she is serious about working without showing she's serious about tackling the issue that is stopping him from allowing her to work?

This is why I said that this lady

Elina123:
Accept whatever e tells u and any one u don't like u bring it up with care and love not raising voices and quarrelling it makes the man feels u can't be controlled. The more u make him feel that the more he wants to do things to controlled u and make u obey everything he says.
Has a point. The guy is already going to Mars with her behaviour, do you want him to reach Jupiterhuh Won't she correct herself before quoting her rights?
Family › Re: Help, My Husband Is Causing Me Pain by midnighter(f): 2:53pm On Dec 18, 2019
cococandy:
It is actually her right to work if she wants to.

He agreed in the beginning and does not need to be begged now.
If it’s a deal breaker for her. Then he’s the person who needs to adjust his thinking in this situation.

Unless she’s not serious about working.
I'm not sure of your reasoning.

We know that it's her right and we know that he was wrong to break the agreement. I'm sure even he knows that.

BUT since he is refusing on the basis of submissiveness then the next thing is to prove him wrong, by being submissive.

She has been fighting and struggling and it's making it worse plus her family is not even supporting her. From her replies here we can see that she's not ready to compromise or consider anything else. That doesn't sound like submissiveness to me.

This is not about quoting rights but about achieving her aim, which is why I suggested that she changes her approach.

He seems to be unhappy with her actual behaviour eg the way she treats their child. Is it not better to try to alter some of the attitudes that he doesn't like so that he will be more willing to listen to her request?

The guy is willing to go even further than this until he totally messes her up, with her parents consent. The parents consent is even the crazy part that is taking the wind out of her sails.

He's the one who caused the issue but she's the one who is suffering it so I suggest that she uses her smarts to get what she wants instead of trying to drag with him when he is clearly not interested.

Or, to use an adage that I learned on here, "stoop to conquer".

To me, if she were actually serious about working she would leave the human rights talk and appeal to his sympathy by working on his psyche.

He clearly doesn't care about her "rights" right now! So she should take another avenue and get him to feel like he's the one helping her and not that she deserves it
Career › Re: Dropping Psychology For Nursing. Am I Making The Right Choice? by midnighter(f): 2:29pm On Dec 18, 2019
AreaFada2:
Well, I don't know. I only hear of how Nigerians complain about medical/healthcare people. Even hear on NL. I was not educated in 9ja and I do not work in 9ja.
In a place like UK, any little thing can earn you a disciplinary hearing by GMC or NMC for nurse or HPC for other allied.

You know many things we do are just to fulfil all righteousness. Not taken to heart. Just like the rigged elections since 1999 that ewe call democracy.

Back to the beginning of our chat. Parents want their kids to have a bright career and economic future. So they see gainful employment as the most likely way to do so. I cannot blame them. But modern parents should be more flexible.

Of course many people do jobs they didn't want to and end up being very good and pleasant to colleagues and customers. Like the many engineers, doctors, architects, biologists, surveyors, historians, geographers and others working in banks.
Okay, I understand. Those systems are the kind of accountability I was talking about and that's what keeps everybody in line. If we took such things seriously here we wouldn't have both professionals and patients flying out in droves.

Yes, parents are like that all over the world but I think that one key difference is that the concept of adulthood is a bit different because of financial dependence...maybe with a student loan system people would feel more justified in doing what they actually wanted instead of constantly feeling indebted to their parents.

It's also about balancing following an interest with being realistic about your future.

And some of it is just plain vanity. At times parents just want to comfort themselves with the knowledge that they have a doctor/lawyer/engineer and not something less prestigious, even to the point of forcing it on their child. Which is very wrong
Family › Re: Help, My Husband Is Causing Me Pain by midnighter(f): 2:17pm On Dec 18, 2019
bukatyne:
Ever heard of Nigerian brand of Christianity?
Lol, that denomination is not recognised!
Family › Re: Help, My Husband Is Causing Me Pain by midnighter(f): 1:37pm On Dec 18, 2019
And another thing is I can't believe her parents couldn't talk to the guy for her, that is totally crazy! Ahn! I am confused o

Her father could have had some soft conversation with the dude, or maybe I didn't see where she explained that her mother never workedhuh
Family › Re: Help, My Husband Is Causing Me Pain by midnighter(f): 12:41pm On Dec 18, 2019
bukatyne:
Maybe he felt neglected because his mother was a single mom and does not want his child to feel that neglect too.
I think somebody else got it right when they said that the man senses that OP is taking out her frustrations on their daughter.

That would explain these funny funny rules. He thinks she's trying to neglect her motherly duties so that he will bend and allow her to work

So he's piling even more of them on her, even ones that don't make any sense.

If she's not very careful the man may even insist that she teaches the girl at home since she keeps reminding him that she is a graduate.

She should just be very very careful not to drag captain with this guy because the issue is already getting to the edge and he's not interested in her ambitions at all.
Family › Re: Help, My Husband Is Causing Me Pain by midnighter(f): 12:37pm On Dec 18, 2019
Saintmary:
a la destiny confiscation
smh
Lol they're just excusing rubbish because its not their relative

Which age is she supposed to be reaching? Is he running a pension scheme from their househuh
Career › Re: Dropping Psychology For Nursing. Am I Making The Right Choice? by midnighter(f): 12:28pm On Dec 18, 2019
AreaFada2:
Most likely, But most schools do not offer it anyway.
Okay
Career › Re: Dropping Psychology For Nursing. Am I Making The Right Choice? by midnighter(f): 12:28pm On Dec 18, 2019
AreaFada2:
Well we are all pragmatic to an extent, but in healthcare it shouldn't be the over-riding factor. Because by the time you find out that you're not fulfilled in it, you might have put in 10 years of training and education already. Too late to leave it. So you soldier on doing the bare mininum, while enjoying the prestige and rewards. People are different sha.

So why do you there's this impression in 9ja that healthcare staff are mostly wicked and heartless? Can poor working conditions and our culture of rudeness when in a prestigious position alone explain it?
Yes, you have a point there. I just believe there is more to being a monster nurse than lack of passion for the job because most people are adaptable.

Yes, that explains it. Plus lack of accountability and poor company culture. In any serious healthcare organisation there are supposed to be aims and objectives centred around respecting, valuing and understanding the patients and their needs while maintaining your integrity as a professional.

And checks and balances that stop patients from overstepping their boundaries and venting their frustrations on workers.

There are literally whole university courses dedicated to this but I don't know where ours got lost smh
Career › Re: Dropping Psychology For Nursing. Am I Making The Right Choice? by midnighter(f): 12:17pm On Dec 18, 2019
Cousin9999:
However, if you're willing to be a nurse, consider becoming a physician assistant. There's a fair amount of overlap, but PAs make more money. They also have a growing role as healthcare restructures internationally.
Can you please explain the relevance of these people because nobody I know takes the profession serious. What do they do exactlyhuh
Career › Re: Dropping Psychology For Nursing. Am I Making The Right Choice? by midnighter(f): 12:11pm On Dec 18, 2019
Career › Re: Dropping Psychology For Nursing. Am I Making The Right Choice? by midnighter(f): 12:11pm On Dec 18, 2019
AreaFada2:
Nope! Maybe the obsolete machines still in use in some parts of 9ja. You screen yourself properly from radiation. Radioactivity is measured in the areas around work to check for risk.

Depends on what you do, you might be mostly using ultra-sound machines even. Virtally no harm.
Okay o...I see a lot of people studying but I think too much movie has spoilt my mind
Career › Re: Dropping Psychology For Nursing. Am I Making The Right Choice? by midnighter(f): 12:08pm On Dec 18, 2019
IDERAWOLE:
Remember the purpose of his write up here. Convincing his parents to support his dreams! Definitely, it's not having passion for being around and teaching young people that I called pedestrian, surely not. If you're a parent, you'll surely want something more concrete than this as the reason for going into academics than nursing.

Hope I'm clear!
I understand. But if I were him I wouldn't even mention anything like that at all to his parents.

Talking about statehood and the children of tomorrow bla bla will only scare them even more because it will make him sound like even more of an unrealistic dreamer.

He should just avoid that side entirely and keep it to himself as a motivator or an interview answer because nobody's parents want to hear that
Career › Re: Dropping Psychology For Nursing. Am I Making The Right Choice? by midnighter(f): 12:01pm On Dec 18, 2019
But areafada2 can I ask you about radiography? Is it not dangerous?

I feel that the real risks are not properly exposed to stop people people running away from the course.
Career › Re: Dropping Psychology For Nursing. Am I Making The Right Choice? by midnighter(f): 11:58am On Dec 18, 2019
AreaFada2:
This is a typical African parents' way of seeing things. I had a prof who when she was a student took a break from medical school to do what is called an intercalated BSc degree year in Anatomy. She enjoyed Anatomy so much that she never returned to complete her MBBChir. She went on to do PhD in Anatomy and became a foremost anatomist in a major European country respected internationally. She edited the world's most famous anatomy textbook. The first and only woman to do so till now. She was head of anatomy in my university and a delight to med students.

In the name of pragmatism we often stifle the talents and dreams of our children. Fela Kuti, Chinua Achebe and Chimamanda Adichie were asked by their families to study medicine. Achebe & Adichie actually started medical school. Would they have achieved as much as doctors? Probably not.

If you do Psychology, you can become a clinical psychologist after clinical training and passing the accreditation exam. Psychiatry is increasingly called Psychological Medicine to reduce the stigma. So there are opportunities in the right countries abroad.

If you are on the intellectual side than practical side, nursing may not be fun. You have to be dedicated, compassionate and caring. Not all nice people have these qualities to a high level. Remember how we all complain about wicked nurses and heartless doctors in 9ja. Many have no business in such caring professions BUT went in for better prospects or family pressure.

Healthcare is a calling. Something one should choose after looking at oneself in the mirror thoroughly. Not something to do out of pragmatism or under pressure.

As a nurse in the West, will you feel fulfilled dealing with a drunk guy in A&E at 3 am on Christmas morning? Finally getting him to sleep off his drunken state with saliva and other bodily fluids soiling his clothes? Or a homeless person brought in to A&E one cold winter night with a festering sore in his leg, and even with a face mask over your nose you still cannot breathe?

I for one liked those challenges and more. the opportunities to do much good are immense. But not everyone does. Some just couldn't wait to get out of the hospital to take even lesser paid jobs. After long years of education and training.

Have you considered radiography? It's less stress and if you pursue higher studies you might enjoy lecturing with it. Reason with your parents.

Las las if you must do nursing, do higher degrees too. But usually you will still have clinical commitments an honorary lecturer just like docs.
This is great

But I disagree with the bolded. Entering healthcare out of pragmatism doesn't automatically mean that the person will have a terrible time. They may come to enjoy it later on or at least just see it as a means to an end. It doesn't necessarily mean the person will start going psycho on their patients

Healthcare is a calling for some but a saving grace for others
Career › Re: Dropping Psychology For Nursing. Am I Making The Right Choice? by midnighter(f): 11:56am On Dec 18, 2019
brainhgeek:
As a nurse, you don't have to job-hunt for long. You can even get a job anywhere in the world more readily than a psychologist.
However, if a zoologist or someone without proper formal education can become the president of a Nation, who says anything you study can't make you successful? God is the key
Lol, I wonder when somebody who actually studied Political Science will become the presidenthuh
Career › Re: Dropping Psychology For Nursing. Am I Making The Right Choice? by midnighter(f): 11:54am On Dec 18, 2019
merryossai:
psychology is a social science course, scientific to an extent, but its not regarded as such because its built mainly on observations n statistics without necessary scientific backing.
Yes, but with reference to your original comment, psychology is an academic pursuit that uses scientific methods while nursing is not a pure science but rather a vocational course that has a scientific basis.

If anything psychology should be "science" and nursing should be "act" and not the other way around.

You were speaking as if he was trying to choose between pure science and humanity which is not the case.
Career › Re: Dropping Psychology For Nursing. Am I Making The Right Choice? by midnighter(f): 9:37am On Dec 18, 2019
Macauley07:
I love being around young people, and being in a university setting as a lecturer gives me that privilege to teach, mentor and guide them and at the same time work on my self. I think I'll find fulfilment as an academic.
IDERAWOLE:
You also sound a bit pedestrian on your reason for choosing academics, apart from teaching and being around young people, what else are your dreams for those young people and your nation?
There is NOTHING pedestrian about having a passion for young people and wanting to guide them, nothing!

The young people make the nation, dont you know thathuh

If we had more people like him we wouldnt be in this mess we're facing right now.
Career › Re: Dropping Psychology For Nursing. Am I Making The Right Choice? by midnighter(f): 9:32am On Dec 18, 2019
Jewessgratitude:
Nursing should be a personal choice as it entails a lot.
If you can't stand the sight of blood, sores, if you have photophobia, dont go into nursing cos it will just be a waste as you're not going to be able to work with it.
So you think all nurses work with blood? So many jobs are available for nurses where they dont even go anywhere near a hospital ward after they finish their training
Career › Re: Dropping Psychology For Nursing. Am I Making The Right Choice? by midnighter(f): 9:30am On Dec 18, 2019
merryossai:
Am surprised no one have asked where his strength really lies, science(nursing) or psychology (act)? its better to work on your strength than your weakness. Remember, its better to be a great psychologist helping people living fine, than a poor nurse who will jeopardize human life.
Psychology is still science
Career › Re: Dropping Psychology For Nursing. Am I Making The Right Choice? by midnighter(f): 9:23am On Dec 18, 2019
Do the nursing and pursue a Masters in psychology or clinical psychology. You will be a hot cake,trust me

Or you can combine the 2 and become a psychiatric nurse to satisfy your interests

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