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sonmvayina:
The story of Adam and eve was adapted from an old Babylonian epic about Adapa.. It tells how man lost the chance of eternal life.. The serpent of the good tree was ninghizhida and the serpent of the evil tree was inanna.. They guided Anu's gate.. It was never a literal Story.... The Torah was written by Ezra.. Possibly with Baruch and some other rabbi.. They are the ones who created Judaism as the National religion of the isrealites... They drew most of their inspiration from Babylonian epics.. Which they incorporated to their Torah....

The scrolls were not written by Rabbis, it was compiled by them into what you call the Torah which is a combination of the first five books of the Bible. They could not have drawn their inspiration from anywhere because they did not write anything. The council was formed to gather the scrolls and combine the scriptures into what we now refer to as the bible.
You can correct me where i am wrong.

And also, anything drawn/adapted from babylonian epics is definitely heresy because Babylon did not exist until about a thousand years (give or take) after the flood. And even at that, it was not referred to as Babylon, but Babel.
The location where the tower of Babel was built by Ham's descendants is where Babylon came to exist. You surely do not expect people from this place who tried to mock God, to have an accurate account of creation, do you?

Muttleylaff
Budaatum

jibrilELsudan:
[s]Adam and Eve had sex and did not eat a physical apple.

When the serpent devil made Eve eat the apple, what he actually did was make eve suck his cuck and then play with and finger her kukunase. Therefore making her have sex with herself then with him.

When Adam came, Eve then made Adam to eat her kukunase and have sex with her.


THE SERPENT ON THE TREE WAS THE DEVIL.
THE TREE WAS THE DEVIL IN HUMAN FORM.
THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT WAS THE DEVIL'S HARD CUCK.

THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT EVE ATE WAS HAVING SEX WITH THE DEVIL.

THE FORBIDDEN FRUIT ADAM ATE WAS EATING EVE'S KUKUNASE AND HAVING SEX WITH HER.



FORBIDDEN FRUIT = CUCK + KUKUNASE + SEX.

TREE OF KNOWLEDGE = SPIRITUAL SOUL TIES OF SEXUAL INTERCOURSE + HUMAN BODY ANATOMY REVELATION + GUILTY CONSCIENCE AFTER HAVING SEX + WANTING MORE SEX AFTER HAVING SEX + SHOOTING THEIR HOT CUM IN THEIR MOUTH AFTER HAVING SEX.[/s]

https://www.nairaland.com/5443784/response-allegory-garden-edens-account

You may just be trolling but don't joke with things like this

UceeGod:
I strongly believe the account of creation in Genesis, just like that of Revelation was a mixture of allegory and real characters. The garden, trees, fruits, eating of fruits, are all symbolic while satan, the man and woman are real. But let's not over allegorise these characters; we know satan didn't impregnate Eve, Adam did and they gave birth to Cain Genesis 4:1

Absolutely.
These people just want to perverse the word even when the writings are clear.

Genesis 4:1-2 New International Version (NIV)
1 Adam made love to his wife Eve, and she became pregnant and gave birth to Cain. She said, “With the help of the Lord I have brought forth a man.”
2 Later she gave birth to his brother Abel. Now Abel kept flocks, and Cain worked the soil.


Unless some people intend to add to that or ascribe their own interpretations, i honestly do not understand how the gist about satan fathering Cain came about.
Adam and eve did not have sex until they were outside the garden.


Offpoint take note

Offpoint:
Yeah, and the part Lion was eating grass too

Offpoint please let us continue from here. I can see it's already getting too heated on the other thread.

1. Regarding the fact that every animal including humans were herbivores, these are the verses:

Genesis 1:29 King James Version (KJV)
And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.
Genesis 1:30
And to every beast of the earth, and to every fowl of the air, and to every thing that creeps on the earth, wherein there is life, I have given every green herb for meat: and it was so.

In some versions,meat is replaced with food. Verse 30 covers Lions and Tigers, etc. Their sustenance (man in verse 29 & animals in verse 30) as prescribed here is on plants, fruits, and trees. Nothing more, unless you want to add something to those verses.


2. Regarding the fact that there were other trees made mention of especially the tree of life which they were allowed to eat from:

Genesis 2:9 King James Version (KJV)
And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil
Genesis 2:16-17 King James Version (KJV)
16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:
17 But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

You can see here that there were a lot of trees of which two were named in verse 9:, the tree of life, the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. But in verse 17, only the latter was forbidden to be eaten from.
Unless you want to add to the scriptures again.


3. Regarding the fact that Adam was present with Eve while the serpent was speaking to her:

Genesis 3:6 King James Version (KJV)
6 And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

The NIV translation writes it as who was with her.

It's all clear enough.. Any further confusion?

Offpoint:
Lol, I can't believe everything you wrote there... I'm not here to argue. I hate typing.

Should i provide the verses?

As stated above, this is simply a response to a topic I came across on the home page of this forum:
https://www.nairaland.com/5443357/allegory-garden-eden-account-fall

I normally do not concern myself with religious debates online or in real life conversations because it usually gets to the point where people leave the topic and try to silence me by making references to my personal choices.
However, on this, I choose to correct the pervasive thinking on that thread put forward by a user by the name Offpoint.


Below is an edited version of my response to him on the topic:

First of all, there is no sexual allegory to be seen in the story of the fall. None whatsoever.
Adam was present right there when the serpent was talking to Eve. The fruit is a very real fruit: There was a tree of life (for spiritual nourishment which could be eaten), there was also a tree of the knowledge of good and evil (not to be eaten). There were many other trees.
The emphasis on trees and fruits generally was because the first creation were all herbivores, no one ate meat not even the lions and tigers. If indeed sex is the fruit, how do we explain the fruit from the Tree of life which was also mentioned in the bible and which they were not forbidden to eat from?

Secondly, evil did not enter the world through Cain. At least not in the world as we know it now, because all of his descendants were killed by the flood. The only surviving people after the flood were Noah and his family. Noah himself is a direct descendant of Seth, the son born to Adam after Abel was killed.
Evil came into the world again after the flood through the descendants of Ham, Ham is Noah's second son between Shem and Japheth. Apparently, Noah had gotten drunk with wine and was unclothed. Ham saw his unclothedness and announced it to his siblings.
His brothers went into the tent and covered him up by carrying a cloth but walking backwards to avoid seeing their father's unclothedness.
Noah then cursed Ham and his descendants for that error.
The next time the bible mentions people who did evil in the sight of God was in the story of the tower of Babel. These people tried to build a monument towards the sky in an attempt to defy God, these people are descendants of Ham.

Lastly and about the missing books of the bible we know today.
The people who removed the books from the bible were translators because the Jewish council of Rabbis who first convened to put the complete scrolls together in what you now call the Bible refer to those missing books as UNINSPIRED works. Uninspired means they were not written through revelations, visions, or dreams from God but through the writers own will. If you have read any of these books, you would notice a subjective theme from the writer's point of view missing in most of the other books left in the bible today.
This does not mean the books are demonic or seek to distort the Christian's attitude towards God.

As at the time the Bible was being translated, the translators themselves began removing these books based off their own personal decision.
There are still Bibles with the complete books, no single book missing from them, but you have to go back to translations that were released before 1560 which is when the Geneva bible was produced. This is the first time it was divided into chapters and verses and arguably the first time The Apocrypha (Uninspired writings) were removed.



That will be all for now.

iphi:
I would love to believe this write up if you explain the tree of life part... Christian NairaLanders incase you don't understand what he is trying to say, he is saying that Satan had sex with eve that's his own meaning of eating the forbidden fruit and that was why their eyes opened, but another thing I don't understand is Adam was officially married to eve (if i use these words) and I can't call it fornication. So at what point should we now say that Adam and eve sinned against God? Unless you want to put it out there that Adam was punished for eve's infidelity because Adam ate the fruit too meaning because Adam had sex with eve who had sex with satan... Haq Haq Haq... God uses foolish things to scatter the brain of the wise, this renos thinks he is wise... You be ode!!!

They were punished for disobedience and nothing else.

Offpoint:
[s]It surprised me how people believed Eve ate a 'Fruit' and gave it to Adam and their eyes was opened.


God commanded Adam and Eve to populate the earth, they were in their youthful age and still growing up.

God has not let them know Vagina and penís is the tools they'll used... and they have no idea, hence they were not ashamed of their unclothedness.

They were warned not to 'ate' play with their genitals or have sex... they may see animals do their stuff but they shouldn't.

God knows the appropriate time, Eve is not Mature psychologically to understand what pregnant will look like.

The center fruit is nothing but genitals, devil still being pissed cuz he was thrown down vow to corrupt God creation. So he took human-like body "A serpent" serpent was the only creation with the closest human resemblance. ( remember it was cursed to today's snake and worse, looking like the very tool devil used was part of his cursed that's why snake got a dìck like look)

Eve was out naked and devil knowing much about sex starts filling Eve head with all kinds of sex sweets talks, since women fall for words and was amazed at the size of devil pènis"It was good for food and she desired it" eve gave him and had sex with the devil. Devil being a bad guy gave Eve different kinda style whom she was blown away with excitement took all she learned and straight to Adam... Adam couldn't withstand crazy stuffs she was doing to him, he gave in and had sex with eve... meaning Satan does round one and Adam does round 2.....

That's were eve got pregnant with twins, one sperm from the devil and one sperm from Adam.... (It's medically proven a woman can carry twins from different further if the time of sex is within same period)


I wish I can type further...

Pastors have no idea why God rejected Cane sacrifice, Cane is the devil seed.
The only way evill penetrate human race is through Cane, Devils has deposited everything he needed to destroy God creation in Cane DNA.



There's a lot to type, let me stop here.


It's pitiful most Christians only read the Bible, the Bible has through a lot. So many things has been edited out...

There is a part of bibles that said we shouldn't add or remove from the word...
I asked my pastor in Bible why some books of the Bible were removed... the answers was "You don't need it"[/s]

It is obvious you have not read the creation story yourself to come up with this. How is it obvious? Because if you had, you would know that Adam was present right there when the serpent was talking to eve. The fruit is a real fruit: There was a tree of life (for spiritual nourishment), there was also a tree of the knowledge of good and evil (not to be eaten). There were many other trees. The emphasis on trees and fruits generally was because the first creation were all herbivores, no one ate meat not even the lions and tigers.
This is all the information i need to completely regard your narrative as false.

Oh and another thing, evil did not enter the world through Cain because all of his descendants were killed by the flood.
Noah is a descendant of Seth, the son born to Adam after Abel was killed. Evil came into the world again after the flood through the descendants of Ham, Noah's second son after Noah cursed him for seeing his unclothedness.

Lastly, tell that pastor in your last paragraph to go take some history lessons in Theology. The people who removed the books from the bible were translators because the Jewish council of Rabbis who convened to put the complete scrolls together in what you now call the Bible refer to those missing books as UNINSPIRED works. Uninspired means they were not written through revelations, visions, or dreams from God. By the time the Bible was being translated, the translators themselves began removing these books based off their own personal decision.
There are still Bibles with the complete books, no single thing missing from them but you have to go back to translations that were released before 1560 which is when the Geneva bible was produced. This is the first time it was divided into chapters and verses and arguably the first time The Apocrypha (Uninspired books) were removed.

Born2Breed:
They are the best husband.

Lol,i can stand with this

khia:
Don't take 2buffagain seriously, he doesn't mean what he types. Random thoughts pops into his brain and he has to discuss them.

Possibly.
People with this thinking abound still

The child is strapped in right?
No way, he/she had to have been strapped in

Water birth. Yayyyyy

Lmao.both of you deserve each other

2buffagain:
When I see a girl with tattoos, all I see is a dullard who cannot think far....a fool to be bleeped stupid and later block her number when I am tired of the Bleep.
There is no possibility of wifey or family with this person.

If she wanted to have fun, she should have done so without tarnishing her long term possibilities with such a permanent decision.

No one will take her seriously.

When i see a post like this, all i see is a guy who judges everything based off what his eyes can see.
Superficial much?

Lol, sexy acquired a brand new meaning on this thread

Jessie21:
Please nairalanders, I need a good online marriage councellor

Good marriage counsellors will need to have sessions with both you and your spouse PHYSICALLY. Take note.

ornicus:
Or they understand that they are like their parents and they are likely to also be attracted to people with their parents traits and personality.

You also come off as a person who automatically assumes that marriage is the ultimate fulfillment.

If I grew up in an environment where I associated marriage with constant fights, occasional domestic violence, and everyone saying it should be put up with why would I want that for myself? Why would I want to repeat the cycle?

In your Mind, a person who is not married is automatically an emotionally unhealthy person.

That story is the story of a lot of marriages in this country, where people just manage for the sake of keeping up appearances.

Wrong on number 1.
Very wrong on number 2.

MissWrite:
Values are and should always be personal for a person to reap any kind of benefit. Society cannot value something for an individual, it can only value something for itself. A society might value marriage because it helps increase its population while providing structure for its growing members. But it doesn't mean every individual would find satisfaction in being drafted to this cause. Some will, others won't.

People who want to be married, but aren't, would be less happy than they could be after their goals are met. People who don't want to be married, but somehow found themselves hitched, would be less happy than they would have been without the commitment. None of these people would necessarily be miserable, depending on how big of a deal marriage is to the individual. A person's happiness depends on so many factors.

Therefore, a comparison of the happiness of married and unmarried people across the board cannot be used to judge which marital status is more beneficial to people in general. In the end, it comes down to the individual. What would make YOU happy or happIER? We are not in a race, competing for who is happiest. We are just trying to serve ourselves the best way we can. And the fact that single people might occasionally admire a cute family; or that married people occasionally envy the freedom of single people doesn't necessarily mean they chose wrongly. Because afterwards, they realise that they wouldn't have had the lasting desire to make the scenario work for themselves.

Let's just be who we are, and do our heart's conviction. It's the only way to be happy.

LORDKing001:
You heard that from bbn right?

Nope, science.

Ceejayink:
And if there's no chocolate?

Always have a stock of chocolate, duh

ornicus:
I have an aunt whose husband was an ambassador. So they have always been wealthy. Very very connected. But they had a very very difficult marriage. They have five girls. All should be over 50 now. Only one is married, and that one is based in naija.The rest have been working all around the world outside Nigeria. The ladies as far as I can see, are happy and successful. It is their parents who are not happy that their daughters are old and single.

No one will grow up in a home full of fights and anger and want to repeat same.

Your second paragraph contradicts and defeats the intentions of the previous.
Anyone has not quite got over been raised in a home full of fights and anger, and still at adulthood, does not believe they can do better because they are better, is most definitely NOT a happy and emotionally healthy person when it comes down to the point.
Basic psychology.

In your defense tho, you did say your opinion is based off 'as far as you can see'.

lalasticlala:
I actually lost my father on Sunday evening.

Obviously it's painful that I won't see him again.

But God knows the best.

So sorry for your loss Lala.
May he rest in peace

Tendency86:
Eyah!

I can see the creases on your forehead from here

Rosebloom:
Heigawd! I don't like this kind of mention o

Lmao

serosa:
Starting FROM the LITTLE things that matter to bring AFRICA FAR.

STARTING WITH OUR REASONING AS AFRICAN PEOPLE.

CAN YOU IMAGINE A FOOL BORN BY FOOL BUT LET ME NOT BLAME THE MUM BUT SHE IS STILL TO BE BLAMED FOR NOT ABORTING A FOOL.

You come here on nairaland And Just see nothing to post ABOUT But Just to downgrade the AFRICAN WOMEN.

I NOW SEE WHY THE WHITE MEN SEE AFRICANS AS FOOLS SOMETIMES.
WE NEVER APPERCIATE OUR KIND.
IMAGINE A FOOL OPENING MOUTH TO CALL AFRICAN WOMEN UGLY.

TRUTH BE TOLD SOME PEOPLE DONT NEED TO BE IN THIS WORLD.
I JUST BLAME AFRICAN WOMEN FOR NOT STEPING THEIR GAME UP.
ITS BECAUSE WE HAVENT STARTED REALIZING WHO WE ARE.

AFRICAN WOMEN ARE THE MOST BEAUTIFUL WOMEN THIS EARTH HAS EVER GIVEN BIRTH TOO.

JUST WONDERING IF WE AFRICAN WOMEN DONT FIND A WAY TO START MAKING OURSELVES BE WHO WE ARE.

ONE DAY AFRICAN MEN CAN JUST DECIDE TO ATTACK ALL OF US.
AND THEN WHEN THERE IS NO AFRICAN WOMAN AGAIN.
THE AFRICAN MEN MARRY THE WHITE.
THEN THEY WILL BE HAPPY THE AFRICAN RACE HAS BEING EXTINCT.

FOR ONES SEE THE BEAUTY OF YOUR WOMEN.

IMAGINE GOING OUT WITH MY BEAUTIFUL NATURAL HAIR AND SOME GUY TELLS ME I NEED TO HAVE A WEAVE ON.
THEN LATER YOU CALL ME INSECURE.

AFRICAN WOMEN PLS LETS START MAKING NAMES FOR OURSELVES.
WE CAN LET THE WHITE MEN CONTINUE TO INSULT OUR BEAUTY SIMPLY BECAUSE THEIR JEALOUS.
ESPICALLY OUR OWN AFRICAN MEN.

Please type in lower case Serosa

Love it mamacita

SPOLO:
You mean for almost 3 weeks no communication, she will come online I will ask how is she doing and no reply?...


No no don't tell me this

Eat some chocolate once the rage is building up.

Ifemide123:
Waoh
Thank you for this. I was beginning to think something isn't right.

That is exactly what those guys wanted you to believe It's their MO

Be careful with what puccyhunters say to you, guys can be very clever with their tricks & gimmicks.
Just see how they already got you thinking & plotting how to get out of the house and right into their bedrooms. DON'T DO IT!

NUJABEZ:
It is called Imprinting and you can do it to any bird after they've hatched.

To imprint on a bird, you must absolutely be the first thing they see immediately after hatching. Two or three feedtimes in the first 48 hours of the birds life means that it will see you as it's mother forever and ever.

I imprinted on a neighbors chicken while I lived in one village like that, and the thing followed me everywhere to much humor for the villagers.

Wow, this is cool.
I used to think imprinting was a just socialization instinct common with wolves.