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Kobojunkie:
No need to get touchy here! Could you please provide some news articles supporting these claims at least? I have lived long enough to know how much people tend to cling faster to rumors than truth, especially while growing up in Ikorodu.

Kobojunkie, tell me how many people get missing in Lagos everyday and how many are ever reported in the newspaper.

What I (and any other sincere Yoruba man who knows/is close to the oro tradition) know for sure is that in all of Yoruba land with a major oro tradition (Ikorodu inclusive), human sacrifices are involved in their main deity (oro) festivals/celebrations. And any woman or stranger that stray into the  oro  & priests/procession pays with her/his life. Anyone who's ever been a partaker of the procession will tell you that (my former bricklayer on site who used to be an "oro" in Ijebu will tell you how he quit when a pretty girl found in the bathroom outside her home one of those oro nights was murdered in his presence, the liquor in his eyes cleared). An eluku (Ikorodu traditional oro deity) chief priest who was worked with me as an artisan on another site will not make the kind of denials you are making here.

Kobojunkie:
Oh boY!!! Keep moving the marker!!! Now those areas no longer get Oro??  Which one be “MAIN” IKORODU now? I know for sure that it does not extend to the maya/isiu areas.

Man/woman, here you still continue to expose your poor knowledge of this thing you claim to know. These areas Ibeshe, Ebute, Ireshe, Ijede, and other areas like maya & isiu that you mentioned, are referred to as suburbs of Ikorodu. They have they own lesser oro days than what you have in central Ikorodu. The isemo in Ikorodu does not extend beyond the abatoir when going towards Ebute and does not even get to the cemetry as you go towards Shagamu and Ijebu Ode roads. during the oro days bizs' go on unhindered.

There is IKORODU TOWN almost all the other places are just the various families' farmlands and villages. The oro ceremony in town does affect people living in those areas it is just that women (and to some extent strangers) are not allowed to come into/roam freely in town.

Kobojunkie:
Forgive me here, but it seems too easy for people to claim to have all the information about any one issue, than it is for them to provide some supporting evidence for their claims. I lived in that same town with family and friends for decades and have heard so many ridiculous folk tales of this and that. I even heard stories of mermaids showing up in the majidun river but not a single shred of evidence for 99% of the stories and claims. I am not even a traditionalist in the literal sense but even I know that this Oro issue is being blown way way out of proportion here.

In other words you were/are an ALEJO (stranger) . What did you expect to know?
Human sacrifice and the mythology of mermaid are not the same thing my friend.

Kobojunkie:
Shops are burgled daily in Ikorodu, Oro or not. Linking the burglaries to Oro is ludicrous considering there is no record that it is BECAUSE of the festival itself that these things happen.

Kobojunkie, what kind of reasoning is this? When the burglaries are carried out with with greater recklessness on the oro night?

Kobojunkie:
I know what the slogan means, yet, can anyone show any record of a woman being murdered in such a gruesome way in recent years by Oro men? That slogan has been around since the beginning. It has been used for decades by mothers to threaten their kids or even guys scaring their women from going out on that day but how many records of actual Oro deaths do we have?

This is either borne out of ignorance or you are just telling plain lies.

What do you expect? That one should take a camera to the shrine and ask the priests to pose with the ritual victims for a pix?

Kobojunkie:
In recent times, sure it does not but it used to and that was when Oro used to be taken more seriously. With the development that has taken place in most areas, in the last 20 years, Oro curfew has been limited to smaller and smaller areas. I remember when I was younger, Ibeshe/Ebute/Ireshe/Ijede areas were no go areas. But now, isemo is practised in a more relaxed way. I remember female Nichemtex workers able to go to work on Oro day without reprisal.

Kobo, main Ikorodu oro does not affect areas like[b] Ibeshe/Ebute/Ireshe/Ijede[/b]. Check your facts well.

Kobojunkie:
I am all for development and all that but do we really need to make it seem as if all what we used to have was “evil”? If as a stranger, I could live and conduct business in Ikorodu, even with all the stories around Oro, which have never really been corroborated, I don’t see why anyone who claims to be close to the Oro “Lords” should suddenly come making claims without producing some evidence to support such.

I'm not sure your claim can be believed

I thought this thread has been rested.

@Kobojunkie, I don't know whether to bilieve that you don't know anything about this Ikorodu oro, or you don't really live in Ikorodu or you are telling lies here.

There is no day of oro in Ikorodu when shops are not burgled in places like Ota ona ( this I know for certain). And the slogan "To obirin ba`fojuboro oro agbe" simply means that that woman (obirin) will die for sure: murdered in a most gruesome and painful manner. And that fate normally befalls any stranger (especially non-Yorubas) that strays into the oro train in the nights.

And @Kobojunkie, isemo (curfew) does not affect residents of your area of residence (at least in recent times).

kalmebad:
What am i saying? it's not all about unemployement, it's all about some Hausa's being insensitive, they don't value life and have no regard for life, they are extremist when it has to do with their religion, ,a sad thing. It's always about religious crisis, or tell me what else they fight for?

Right on target (as far as I'm concerned).

When you check these crises out their influential people and politicians are involved, cos they know and finance the welfare of the almajiris that are deployed in these crises. And with the kind of agenda now interesting Yar'Ardua I begin to fear that the north mean much evil unrevealed. The same guy that is pestering "Lagos state govt" (Fashola) over LGA/LCDA creation does not see any "unconstitutionality" in sharia laws being operated in some northern states.

One thing else I will point out is this (no matter what some may think of it) southerners should advise their kith and kin living the north to make arrangement for emergency evacuation now in case the need arises. We have seen this kind of situation before, at the end of the day souterners were turned on and slaughtered like mere mosquitoes.

I think this whole thing of demand to 20 LGAs is simple politics of distraction being engineered by the Yoruba traitors that populate PDP. It has always been their ways. They are uncomfortable with the strides being taken by Fashola in Lagos and they probably are afraid that if used in campaigns in 2011 they may lose all the SW states. So a little distraction, they believe, will slow the state Fashola down at least a bit.

Edo and Ondo states may be receiving Yar' Ardua's attention soon.

That man Yar'Adua is a very cunning man. People like him are horrible schemers.

I don't understand how the issue of Lagos lg should become so important for any serious person who cares about the terrible problems confronting this country.

[quote author=G-reycells link=topic=301795.msg4261476#msg4261476 date=1248793322]I actually saw a Chevrolet that seats 17 people, and that made me think it is the norm. ^{But i fit pack them d way we dey do am for Ajegunle, Ikotun Egbe, Egbeda} [/quote]But I hope you are not thinking of using that bus for intra city (commercial) transport? Cos it's unprofitable for that purpose.

[quote author=G-reycells link=topic=301795.msg4260372#msg4260372 date=1248781525]If you have the vehicle - a white colour which will seat 17 people.[/quote]Bros how you wan take arrange 17 people in that bus? It is meant for 15 passengers (driver inclusive).

[quote author=G-reycells link=topic=301795.msg4260372#msg4260372 date=1248781525]Saw one dodge version, Peeps, pls what is the difference between the Dodge and Ford[/quote]I think Ford is better.

nuemann:
How many univerisities (Federal)dey Niger Delta? how many dey West? Abi na Cocoa Money?

You may need to find out when those universities were established relative to when oil began to be the only income source of Nigeria. Then you will be able to judge your claim.

As for stae universities, I know with certainty that the nonexistence or the poor standard thereof is the full resposibility of the you corrupt political leaders in the ND and some of the leaders of your MEND are part of them (I know 'cos I was on site for the construction of Alams' NDU in its original site).

THIS STORY IS DEFINITELY FALSE.

However I am of the firm believe that it is a Yorubas who are short of sound reasoning capacity will think that the now criminal-tout filled-land stealing-murdrous OPC is the proper army to look to for the defence of Yoruba land. One the OPC you have today is not OPC army that was being formed b4 the death of Abacha, that one was an army not the thugs we now have.

As for YCE, I don't think they should be taken seriously. Is this not the organisation formed solely to counter the anti-Obansanjo stance of Afenifere in the early days of Obj's presidency. Their position has never been representative of majority Yoruba standing.

Dis Guy:
This is nothing more than Northern conspiracy

I believe you are not serious.

Thank you so much J

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State creation has never solved anything in this country. When legislators and regional/enthnic leaders/representative talk/demand for more states as a means of solving the nation's (their peoples') problems it gives one the impression that the don't know what they are "talking".

How will additional states result in better infrastructure; reduce rural-urban migration; better education etc?
It only creates a new army of looters, in geometric proportion to number of states created, in the nation

I was in the university in the Imo state when Abia state was created and till I left that area in 1995 I did not see any serious improvement in roads. The Onitsha-Owerri road did not get any better.

M ethink that the solution to the problem of this nation will largely be solved when we have True Federalism (fiscal et al) in place. Then the Ijaw man will only hold his ruler responsible for any under development and that applies to every federating unit.

davidif:
Resource control is not the solution, with all the money that the south south states have what have they done with it? Wasn't Alameseyigha the one who embezzled tons of money. What of Peter Odilli, Victor Attah, James Ibori and co? What did they do with the "little" money that they had. The bible said that he who hasn't been faithful in little things, how can he be faithful with bigger things. That is why there arguements have not credibility, let them at least show that they can get the job done with the little they have so that they can at least there arguement would sound plausible.

I believe what you mean here is "they were/have been/are being given". That being the case I'm tempted to ask: Why are they been given little of what came out of their God given lands? Does anyone one come to take the produce/income from your fathers (or grand father's as the case may be) farm share it to other states of the nation and give your father just alittle more? Or will you agree to have the rent from your father's house(s)/land(s) to be taken by a central govt and shared to all other states (on whatever basis) of the nation just giving your state a little more?

Justice should always be at the back of our mind on these issues.

O. K.
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words are not just enough.

[quote author=Negro_Ntns link=topic=281836.msg4172629#msg4172629 date=1247350643]In your fatherland, with a ritual practiced by your ancestors you are asking for it to be shut down and banned because they ask you not to open shop and school.  Some of us belong in the zoo, next to the monkey cage and make the white people come there and tease and feed us banana while we throw shi_t at them out of our yansh.   [/quote]The above aptly applies to you (ref boldened). If your fathers want to walk naked, doing their oro and not impose curfew and murder who cares.

When one of yours is caught unawares in one of their curfew and murdered for rituals you will start to think differently.

tayo4lif:
what fashola should do is keep quiet, if fashola can not fight for the yoruba people but MEND want to fight. shutting down pipeline is the only way to make the north come to the table. fashola is an agent of the north.

Sure, you, this guy are a SHAME & EMBARASSMENT to your family. So incapable of thinking.

I've read such comments as

Divab:
Also paying 2 yrs rent in lagos state is rather high but monthly payment is crazy

etc.

For the information/education of the posters of such comments that there was a time when house rent in Lagos was on monthly basis. Then if you owe 3 months consecutively (or less) the landlord gives you a quit notice and you have to pack within a month. This was the case up to early 90s when the Caretakers/lawyers were the ones who reprensented landlords when he is not representing himself. It was not until the worsening unemployment rate drove so many into the rent agency biz and made large %ge of lawyer become mere rent agents that this 1yr (then 2yrs, now 3yrs) rent advance the norm in Lagos. And you can guess the motive: 10% x 2yrs > 10% x 1yr rent.

As for landlords like Pete, whether you collect your rent monthly or annually it will still take you the same number of years to recoup your investment (15 years at least). I am not an investment analyst/professional, but I know that when you invest in building it is meant to be a long term investment - you earn money from it for life and not looking at how long it will take you to recover your investment (you even leave behind for your children). If you want to recoup your investment quickly, the way to do that is to build and sell as stock traders do.

To those of us outside govt it may look difficult to implement this law but we should remember that Fashola is a lawyer and one that is a Lagosian. He is not unfamiliar with this rent thing.

Those law makers who don't want the bill are just anxious over what they expect to be their main saty after they leave office. Dumbs

White flag up.
I was wrong  

My opinion: THIS IS SCANDALOUS!!!!

IF THIS GOVT CANNOT SECURE FACILITIES IN LAGOS FROM MILITANTS OPERATING FROM N/DELTA HOW CAN WE FEEL SECURE FROM EXTERNAL AGGRESSION. GOD.

MEND you guys have to watch your advances cos if it comes inland the effect will be devastating on the innocent N/Delta community in Lagos. I sincerly don't pray for a repeat of what has happened b4.

An explosion just before midnight reverberated across the city of 16 million people. MEND said in a statement that the facility had been left in flames.
http://www.independentngonline.com/bnew/article01

A part of the claim being made. I stay in Lagos. Who says Anthony village is too far from Atlas cove to feel the REVERBRATION. Tankers are still on the Ikorodu rd heading in the direction of that Atlas cove.

Why is Mr. Jomo trying to create panic in the city. I guess some people here were expecting some of us who have seen this claim online to start making panic calls to our families in their offices to return home and those at home to stay indoors because "MEND is now bombing in Lagos". STUPID

I think this claim is FALSE and a cheap propaganda.

If it were true the news will by now be everywhere on the streets of Lagos. There is no such news on the street; no sound of sirens (as of fire engines) and no unusual movements (helicopters) in the air! There is no huge smoke that will be indicative of fire of the magnitude that would result from this claim!

I'm in Anthony village, right along Ikorodu road, if any such explosion and fire outbreak exists I should at least be able to behold the smoke even if I don't hear the explosions, and the traffic ought to have come to a stand still by now.

THIS CLAIM IS (MOST LIKELY) A LIE!!!

NLders should try to verify some of this guys' claims before posting.

_{I will still watchout anyway}

[quote author=Aloy.Emeka link=topic=281836.msg4012947#msg4012947 date=1244730698]Are you aware  they decapitate people for sacrifices during  oro festivals in Ondo?. Will you still support it if the story is the same in Ikorodu in the name of religion?[/quote]That rubbish is done in all of Yorubaland where they still do this curfew-imposing oro.

The more annoying thing is that they don't put warning signs at the roads that lead to those restricted areas so that strangers (and even residents) who are unaware will see the signs and avoid the danger. The penalty for any woman seeing the oro people is DEATH. Ask any Yoruba man who knows the tradition. THEY WILL MURDER THAT WOMAN IN COLD BLOOD and tell you oro has carried her.

Because they don't place warning signs the other day (earlier this year) I drove my wife and little kid to Ikorodu garrage and parked almost at their OJUBODE (one of the ritual houses where their major shrine is located) while returning from Mainland Lagos where we had passed the night totally unaware that they were doing oro and (consequently) there was their curfew.

The only cane-carrying idiot that saw us early that morning would have been their sacrificial animal as I was ready to run over him as I made a violent u-turn and sped off from the place.

olabukola:
The post above is the most foolish and silly post i have read in this NL. Did the ibos tell you to stick to Nigeria? Why can't we create our own nation if at all we are from the same tribe.
Ibos has clearly told us that they don't want anymore why must we drag them back to it. Remember while we are dragging them back we are at the same time doing same to ourselves.

Doesn't look to me like you are anything near as intelligent as the poster you called foolish!

Who says the igbos should not go if they want to? I am of the opinion that everyone (at least most ppl) who had not written in direct support of this MASSOB agenda has done is to just point out certain cons of the intention/agitation to noisemaker "Biafran" on NL. And so far they seem to be hard of reasoning

How on earth can any sensible person (I really hate to use this kind of expression here) compare the situation of a Nigerian (of any tribe whatsoever) owning business in and propety in other nations, who are not at war with Nigeria, with the situation that will arise when (if) Nigeria is balkanised.

These noisemaker "Biafran" on NL can't seem to be capable of the simple reasoning/logic that the Emerging nations from the present Nigeria will think about their citizens first in every policy they make, and that will include business ownership. HAVE THEY NEVER HEARD OF NATIONALIZATION OF FOREIGN BIZ AND ASSET? For God sake, those nations will just be starting from scratch and I can bet than all assets belonging to foreigners will surely be converted to state asset.

What one like me have tried to point out to these people is that they should demonstrate their seriousness by ensuring that their kith and kins invest more within the Biafra territory. Presently a typical iboman has 80% of his business/investment in other parts of Nigeria. They don't even see that they are far more resposible for their underdevelopment than the Hausaman is.

@Poster,
I don't really have much time at this moment, but let me have quick go at your dream.

From that dream (and what you wrote), you would have been delighted if anyone had encouraged you to propose to that sis (especially b4 the dream). You would been the more if you get to know that she might deny you.

I think what God wanted to show you in your dream(since He knows your mind, may be more than you do) is that there are parts of that sister that are (will be) ugly for one that's your wife. That is she may not be to you a beautiful wife as you probably are dreaming of. Beauty you see now you will not then. That's why she looked ugly in the dream.

Other aspects of that dream I cannot go into now, cos of time. But let me just say that the dream does not imply that she has familiar spirit or that she is a mermaid, and please don't be afraid that you ate in that dream (it's nothing).

God Bless you and Keep you.

@Abuzola.
E bi like sey na only you dey post, only you dey respond o

I think that may call for serious self examination on your part o!



_{I just say make I help you}

What Tmoni and Aasog failed to mention is the fact that the architects, here in Nigeria, are largely responsible for the peoples' view of themselves and the challenges they are facing (just like engineers).

In present day Nigeria, the architects are beneficiaries of the public misinformation as to who an Engineer is: The architect takes a brief from his client (the majority of building public) and instead of looking for the other professionals that should make the building team he does his drawing, hands it over to a structural detailer (that's a structural draughtman) instead of a strutural engineer. He presents himself to the client as the all in all Contractor and he is called ENGINEER on sites, and he loves it.

The scene is similar in the engineering side too, Except that they (engineers) are the bigger lossers in the mess in the industry.

@assog, the problem is not about the absence of codes. Nigeria has long adopted the British codes for structural design. The BS 8110 and co are what is used. The problem is that result in collapsed buildings is the refusal to employ qualified professionals on building projects, and the failure of our professionals (especially engineers) to comply with the dictates of the codes even when they are employed (a number of them are just incompetent).

@poster, I think the scene is going to be getting better in Nigeria if the nation continue in the line of positive development, in which case more of the building public fall within the well educated and well informed class.

segyemaro:
Pastor AI,i got your point,you are indeed correct

Pastor has not made his yet!

@Pastor, please go on with your reasoning (which I'm convinced is valid).

Pastor AIO:
What is it about the state of the average nigerian mind that allows all these churches and pastors to thrive where university qualified professionals cannot thrive.

Now there lies the issue.

BUNCH OF CONFUSED FELLOWS!

That's what all 3 of you, poster and 2 responders above, are.

So, huxley now wants to think there is a creator.

@kobojunkie
Your post on page 2 almost "escaped" me.
You said

Kobojunkie:
Here is the deal. Most all the men he went after are out roaming free today. Someone offered him $15million, like that does not happen daily in Nigeria? You watched only a couple of weeks ago when your dare SUPERWOMAN Adeboye( or whatever her name was) told us that she was threatened by folks not to do things as she wanted. 1,2, 3 She came back and it was as if nothing happened. I don’t see you making demands on that one to release the names with the same vigor.

I suppose you mean Mrs. Ayoka there? _{Youhave too much Adeboye on your mind, I guess}. No one need ask who they were 'cos that was obvious. They even, indirectly came out in the open.
Besides, she's still in service and want to remain so. And frankly she could (and did) not claim Ribadu's boasted kind of integrity. Nigerians already knew her antecedents.

Kobojunkie:
On the other hand, I can see how if he does not have ENOUGH EVIDENCE to support his claim, why he would not mention names at all since he is already in deep legal battle here

Truth is I'm beginning to doubt the veracity of that $15million bribe. He's supposed to have been a very smart detective, how could he miss the need to obtain evidence when that would have served his purpose more.

Kobojunkie:
Abeg, when we dey discuss Nigerian matters, can we please think NIGERIAN here??

I'm thinking NIGERIAN here more than you can imagine.

Kobojunkie:
I find it really upsetting that the very same folks who on one issue claim to be MORE informed about matters concerning Nigeria can choose to NAIVELY analyze this issue.

Sorry O!