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GOODGUY,

Read this in S-L-O-W   M-O-T-I-O-N.

Un-fermented grape juice is not Wine,Ribena is unfermented grape juice its not Wine,Root Beer or Ginger Beer is drank by children all over the world its still not beer but a brilliant marketing strategy.

From the 1800s it was technology made it possible to stop grape juice from fermenting but First Century Middle East.
In the below text the Methodist Church used unfermented Grape Juice for communion,again they called it wine another Marketing Ploy.

Wine is made from one process only F-E-R-M-E-N-T-A-T-I-O-N

Source  http://www.gcah.org/Worship/Grape_Juice.htm

1864 GENERAL CONFERENCE RECOMMENDATION
The General Conference Committee on Temperance "earnestly recommends that in all cases the pure juice of the grape be used in the celebration of the Lord's Supper."

Discipline 1864, appendix xvii; Journal, p. 265.

1872 GENERAL CONFERENCE REAFFIRMS ITS RECOMMENDATION OF 1864
The General Conference "recommends the use of unfermented wine on our sacramental occasions."

Discipline 1872, appendix No. 29; p. 384.

1876 PERMISSIVE RUBRIC IS ADDED AT HEAD OF RITUAL FOR HOLY COMMUNION
"The General Conference recommends the use of pure unfermented juice of the grape on Sacramental occasions."

Discipline 1876, par. 484, p. 270; Journal, p. 336.

1880 SEMI-MANDATORY RUBRIC ADOPTED
"Let none but the pure unfermented juice of the grape be used in administering the Lord's Supper, whenever practicable."

Discipline 1880, par., 494, p. 284, Journal, p.397.

1916 MANDATORY RUBRIC ADOPTED
"Let the pure, unfermented juice of the grape be used in administering the Lord's Supper." The phrase "whenever practicable" of the 1880 rubric is deleted.

Discipline 1916, par. 516, p. 401; Jourmal, p. 1347.

Church of the United Brethren in Christ

1881 GENERAL CONFERENCE RECOMMENDATION TO LOCAL CHURCH STEWARDS
"It shall also be his duty[The steward] to provide the elements for the sacrament; and we earnestly recommend the use of unfermented wine."

Discipline 1881, Chapter V, Section III, p. 29.

1885 SEMI-MANDATORY RECOMMENDATION
"It shall also be his duty [The steward] to provide the elements for the sacrament of the Lord's Supper, always securing, if at all possible, unfermented wine."

Discipline 1885, Chapter V, Section III, p. 31.

1889 MANDATORY RECOMMENDATION
"It shall also be his duty [The steward] to provide the elements for the sacrament of the Lord's Supper, always securing unfermented wine."

2000 years ago grape juice was worth its weight in gold,the idea that that people produced grape juice,boiled it a left it to cool is laughable,boiling the grape juice makes the juice thicker into a syrup,somewhat like maple syrup,basic chemistry would demonstrate this fact.Oranges,pineapples juices are boiled down to make marmalade.


Farming anywhere in the world is driven by money,why would a farmer or a grape buyer want to boil down grape juice into a syrup rather than ferment and sell as wine which much more profitable.

shahan:
If God knew that man would abuse his choice and fall into sin, why was he created anyway?

If I design a machine and I knew it will fail or brake down after 3 years of use,then I can't blame the machine for failing because I designed it to fail and knew when it will fail.Why would I shout and burn the machine for doing what it was designed for?

shahan:
If after the fall, God knew that His Son would come to earth to redeem man by facing a cruel death, why was Jesus sent anyway?

Yes why send him?For Jesus to die a Judas had to betray him which God and Jesus knew anyway and of course Judas would suffer forever in hell for doing the job he was appointed to do.What is the point.

I will come back to answer your other points.

Cheers

goodguy,

Thank you for your reply,now tell me how un-fermented wine was produced 2000 years ago?Sure there must be a technique the Jews used to stop grape juice from fermenting 2000 years ago.

There was no such thing as un-fermented wine 2000 years ago,I challenge to produce any achelogical evidence supporting your idea.

Cheers

IN the 1800s a man tried to produce un-fermented wine,he was successful sort of but the end result is still grape juice not available in First Century middle east.And yes anyone who tells you that 2000 years people where producing unfermented wine is indeed a Shit Brain

Enjoy,

Source: http://www.ohiosbdc-ysu.com/Location/Guide/Oscar_Mayer/Wrigley/Welch_s/welch_s.html

Thomas B. Welch, M.D., the founder of Welch Grape Juice Company, was born in England in 1825. A devout Christian and staunch prohibitionist, Dr. Thomas B. Welch did not like wine being used in his church's communion service. In 1869 he decided to try developing a non-alcoholic substitution. Dr. Welch had an ample supply of grapes on hand, because he lived in the town of Vineland, New Jersey (named for its many vineyards), and it was common for him to receive bushels of the fruit as payment for dental services. Experimenting at night, Welch tried to create a grape beverage that would not ferment and become alcoholic. Fermentation, the dentist knew, occurred when the natural sugar in grape juice was converted to alcohol by yeast particles that collected in the fruit. To prevent this, the yeast would have to be destroyed. Welch accomplished this by placing bottles of grape juice in pots of boiling water, and allowing the heat to kill the yeast.

His creation was called "Dr. Welch's Unfermented Wine," and the dentist tried to persuade churches to use it as the communion beverage. But he met with great resistance. Wine was a key part of the communion ceremony, and replacing it with anything else would be irreligious.

Welch, was very disappointed, because he had been temperance-minded since childhood. His father, Abraham, a Watertown, New York merchant, was a hardworking family man who occasionally liked to drink whiskey from a jug he kept in the cellar. This led to terrible fights with Mrs. Welch, who thought alcohol was from the devil. His parents' arguments most likely helped shape young Thomas' belief in the evil nature of alcohol. This conviction was further strengthened as he grew more active in the church, and became a minister for several years before becoming a dentist.

The prohibitionist dentist kept Welch busy serving the cause of temperance. He became a self-appointed warden of Vineland's dry law, seeing to it that anybody who sold intoxicants within the city limits was prosecuted. During 1870-71 he led crusades in the neighboring communities of Millville and Bridgeton, to convert the towns to Vineland's prohibitionist ways.

For the next twenty years, Dr. Welch's Unfermented Wine remained a family refreshment, enjoyed by the Welches at home, and sold to a few churches for communion purposes. In 1892 Thomas Welch's youngest son, Dr. Charles Welch (he too was a dentist), decided to test out his belief that the grape drink could be successful as a commercial product. Borrowing $5,000 from his father, the forty-year-old Charles set up a juice production facility on the family's property. To make his product more appealing to the general public, he changed its name to Welch's Grape Juice. The following year, Charles introduced his beverage at the Columbian Exposition in Chicago, by giving out free samples of Welch's Grape Juice to millions of fairgoers. As a result of this national exposure, demand for the drink grew so much that Charles gave up his dental practice, and devoted his time to juice making.

Following his success at the Chicago fair, Charles Welch launched a huge advertising campaign in national magazines such as the Epicure, Carter's Monthly, and McClure's. To attract the attention of readers, Welch inserted word puzzles and contests in his ads, once offering $10 to the person who could form the largest number of words from the phrase "Welch's Grape Juice." (The winner came up with 1,366 words.) Charles also promoted the juice as a temperance beverage and healing tonic. A famous company ad featured a maiden with a glass of grape juice and the caption, "The lips that touch Welch's are all that touch mine."

By 1897 Welch's Grape Juice was found at soda fountains alongside root beer and sarsaparilla, and Charles Welch had to relocate the company to Westfield, New York, to be near a larger source of grapes. Elderly Thomas Welch, who had invented the unfermented wine, remained in New Jersey, but he continued to be a silent partner in the business until his death in 1903.

The inventor of Welch's Grape Juice did not live to see his temperance dream realized with the passage of the Eighteenth Amendment in 1919. The growing national Prohibition movement provided a great boost to the revenues of the Welch company, by increasing the demand for grape juice as a social beverage in place of wine.

Goodguy,

Grapes can be pressed for their juice and drank as such a (FRUIT DRINK),it can also be carbonated to produce many (FIZZY) drinks but we are talking about Wine here,in the world wine is only produced by fermentation.

Since you are an expert on search engines,please explain how UN-FERMENTED WINE is produced 2000 years ago in the middle east,how did the Jews make un-fermented wine.I can't wait to here your explanation

GL,

There is no such thing as un-fermented wine,anyone who tells you different is a SHIT BRAIN

@Topic,

The Bible metions many pleasures and benefits of drinking moderately.

In Psalm 104:15 states that one God's gift is" Wine that makes the heart of a mortal man rejoice"

In Ecclesiastes 9:7 "eat your food with rejoicing and drink your wine with a good heart"

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In John 2:9,10 The director of feast said  to the bridegroom about the miraculous wine"Every other man puts out the fine wine first,and when the people are[b] INTOXICATED[/b],the inferior.You reserved the fine wine until now.

Feelgood,

feelgood:
Speaking in tongues is an evidence of Holy Spirit baptism & characterised by a discernible language (tongue) unknown 2 the speaker but recognised/interpreted by others-acts 2:1-8
The gibberish being uttered by many people gleefully is not biblical

Goodman,you hit the nail on the head or is it head on the nail.na your papa born you.

Eurphoria,

I had no intension of annoying anyone about this thread neither did I want usual Religious War on Nairaland.Nigerians it seems can't discuss religious issues without it disintegrating to all out war.I'll take your advice next time,thanks.

Happy New Year to you Darling,have fun

Damadsuite,

Thanks very much for that information,is your office in Asaba? My friend currently resides there,I could ask him to check it out for me.

Cheers.

Radiant,

Like you I have made a few friends from Nairaland and I have also met some stupid people on-line also from Nairaland,I will suggest next time you don't wish to chat with anyone you use the "be invisible to contact or block contact"feature on YIM.
When members buzz me on YIM they start by introducing themselves as XYZ from Nairaland and we chat away if I wish to continue friendship I put them on my contact list or I can decide to block that ID.
There is a member here whom I would say we have formed a sort friendship on this forum but when I buzzed her of YIM she didn't reply and yet she added me to her buddy list.We still kick it here but not on YIM

I don't understand why you have to post what (is and was) a private conversation here,it doesn't make sense.

BTW,how does your encounter with this member translate in ( The Reason Why Naija Girls Are Rude! )?

Damadsuite,

I'm intrigue by you advice,its most interesting and I have been on your site,looks good.I am however curious why the contact number of your company are all mobile numbers.
No disrespect intended.

Cheers

Senator,

You still dey open that your big Kpomo mouth?them don finis you for here SHIT BRAIN SENATOR100

Reverend,

I'll help you out with No.10

10. Do no force your believes or laws God or Gods real and imagined on others

@All Who Speak In Tongues,

The real test about speaking in tongues is when a person is speaking in tongues there should be SEVERAL INDEPENDENT INTERPRETATIONS.If the individuals come to the same conclusion it means that the message is correct but if they all come up with different results that means there is no such thing as speaking in tongues

TESLIM,

tEsLim:
Reasons I can never get sterilized.

For some strange reason there are people who don't read or understand what is being discussed before making ridiculous statements.

VASECTOMY is NOT the same thing as STERILIZATION

Fntekim,

What if a SLIMY DOCTOR cuts your wife's Womb or Uterus; Then what?

I get it now,so why create a new thread?

SIL,

I troway salaute,

Win or Lose.

ARSENAL FOR EVER.

Scopido,

If you wish to send TOH a personal message why don't you email her instead of putting it up in a public forum.

Maybe you can share with us whats going on.

dennylove:
by the way,WHO PASTE THIS TOPIC
HOLYGHOST GO BURN THE PERSON MOUTH>

And your point is WHAT?, Self Righteous Spunk Ball