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crunchyg:
Yes he is seated at the right hand of the father and the father is God. You can go back to my first post for more clarification

Thank you very much for your answer. I dont need more clarification because I am just only following the interactions going on between you and shadeyinka

shadeyinka:
Ok!
But Was Jesus seated at the right hand of the Father or at the Right hand of God?

Cant you see he has answered your question already. Why are you repeating it like a broken record, erh?

TVSA:
no, mount of transfiguration was not named in the bible. Some bible scholars had made prediction and olive is not even part of the guess. The place was far from Jerusalem so it could not be the same as olive. Mount olive was in the vicinity of Jerusalem and Jesus went there only when he was around Jerusalem.

I don gbaladun enjoy you tire die, your head dey there, you be correct woman.

TVSA:
mount of transfiguration, I do not know. It was not in Jerusalem but gethsemane was after he entered Jerusalem

The Mount of Transfiguration is another name for Mount of Olives, as it is the mount or mountain at where the transfiguration of Jesus took place and when Moses and Elijah appeared talking with Jesus

crunchyg:
The answer lies on my main post when I said God is the father and he is seated on his own throne but in as much as he is on his throne, he is also in Jesus, which made Jesus to mention in John that he is in God and God is also in him but that doesn't mean because God is in him, he can't sit on his right hand. The Same way Christ is in us here on earth and also in heaven at the same time

Your answering is unclear, so to make it straightforward, here try this:
Was Jesus seated at the right hand of the Father, at the Right hand of God or none of both?

shadeyinka:
I didn't answer your questions because I am certain you are looking at these two scriptures literally. And this is wrong!

It is a figurative expression else, you have successfully localized God. If God is localized, He can't be omnipresent. And you have to also justify where the Holy Spirit is at this time.

The right hand is a figurative expression for favoured, important, honoured part of God (because by His Blood, He purchased redemption for man)

Was Jesus seated at the right hand of the Father or at the Right hand of God?

crunchyg:
I can see that there are a lot of things you don't understand here yet, I will lay it to rest here but to answer your question " God is the father, the father is God"

Aw c'mon guys, you two should stop playing this prevaricating games now, as I was keenly interested in finding out what the answer will be to those "Was Jesus seated at the right hand of the Father or at the Right hand of God" questions

CAPSLOCKED:
SAME FOR CHRISTIANITY.
A PERSON CAN'T BE A RELIGIOUS FEMINIST HOW ALMOST ALL MAJOR RELIGIONS DEVALUES WOMEN.

"¹⁰When Jesus had lifted himself up, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her,
Woman, where are those your accusers? has no man condemned you?
¹¹She said, No man, Lord.
And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn you: go, and sin no more."
- John 8:10-11

You obviously didnt get to read the John 8:10-11 memo

CrescentMoon:
I'm sorry, bro. I was angry. Actually I was trying to make a scapegoat of him. Many of the these Internet fiddlers would see you as a person with mental illness whenever you talk of spiritual things. What he doesn't know is that his calling me that name is a shot fired at me in the spirit realm. I can choose to ward it off and fire a superior one to an ignorant being.

Self control is a virtue, and you'll need a lot of it, in order to keep, nurture and sustain that gift for the benefit and building up of the church.

CrescentMoon:
I have list of those who wished (mere wish) me evil and saw hell...

You dont need to be keeping lists, let the boomerang principle take its due course as God doesnt take lightly nor joke with His own. Everyone who stumbles over that stone will be broken to pieces, and it will crush anyone it falls on."

TVSA:
That wasn't Gethsemane. Gethsemane was the garden where Jesus prayed before he was arrested in

Matthew 26:36 KJV
Then cometh Jesus with them unto a place called Gethsemane, and saith unto the disciples, Sit ye here, while I go and pray yonder.

Matthew 17 wasn't Gethsemane

What is this place called then that he obviously came to pray at too?
Mount of Olives or the Mount of Transfiguration by any chance or perhaps?

CrescentMoon:
I'm for the rise and downfall of many.

As far as I know genuine believers are not for the downfall of any, so what's this strange and odd kind of remark you've made meant to mean?

If as you profess to love, why couldnt you let love reign supreme and respond back to bobowaja in love, afterall his moniker gives him away, as meaning, somebody looking for a fight and/or trouble

TVSA:
That wasn't Gethsemane.

Let me pull a chair to sit down and listen, so you can tell where that was, if it wasnt the garden of Gethsemane then

TVSA:
it was meant to be a sarcasm

I believe you, that it was meant to be a sarcasm

CrescentMoon:
I'm a Christian. Before anything will happen to me in real life, I would see it in dreams at least 2 hours before they happen. All I see in dreams are those things that concern my life only.

For instance, I own a means of transportation that fetches me money. It was not bought as a fairly used product that should raise apprehension about unexpected breakdown. But it develops major engine damage very often. If the damage would happen today, I would see it in dreams 5 hours earlier. It has happened more than six times in the last 2 years.

I relocated to somewhere and refused to let family and friends visit me. So, my location was unknown to them. One day, in a dream at about 6:30am, I saw my sister entering my apartment and started ranting about why I locked them out of my affairs and my location hidden by me. When I woke up, I laughed it off and started pressing my phone. By 7am, a co-tenant knocked and said a visitor was looking for me. When I opened the door, it was the exact sister I saw in the dream. She ranted endlessly.

I worked in a multimillion naira farm and was told in my dream that the farm would collapse. I resigned the following month and the farm came on a free fall 4 months later until a farm with large workers' quarters was reduced to almost zero. The owner of the farm is a confirmed atheist; I would have taken him to pastors.

I ran into serious police cases 3 times in the last one year, and all the situations leading to the cases were described for me in dreams 5 hours earlier. My prayers didn't prevent them from happening.

I saw it in a dream that a job offer would come from someone hitherto unknown by me and from a certain area in Lagos. I was told to run for my dear life. I opened my Gmail 3 hours later and saw the invite. I was interviewed by these people on whatsapp and they were thrilled. I turned down their fair offer by spinning unfavorable terms and conditions.

Now why can't I change the unfavorable situations foreseen through prayer? I won't deceive you, I'm just attending church services; the zeal is gone. And despite my newly found disinterestedness (non-partisanship) regarding proven realities and religion, my dream precision is on the rise.

To remark in the passing, voices keep saying "obey". What do you want me to obey that I have not been obeying? Issue of calling came up. I wrote entrance exam into the Seminary and passed. They discovered my partial hearing impairment during oral interview, and probably used it to disqualify me, indirectly citing the need to tick all boxes because it was a Master's program.

If you really are a genuine believer, you would have known that, this is a gift for the benefit and/or building up of the church.

Also, you need to realise, recognise and acknowledge that a gift like this, is akin to a skill, and just like a talent that it is, you shouldn't let the talent lie fallow, because a skill not used, is soon turns into, a skill lost. Moreover a skill, if lost may, you may never be able to again reacquire it

bobowaja:
This mentally unstable man again? Gosh.

Why are you saying the poster is a mentally unstable man again

CrescentMoon:
Have you eaten today? Pele. You won't survive the poverty that killed your parents.

Was it necessary to respond back to bobowaja in his like manner?

TVSA:
Christianity is not a religion, it is a way of life

We all accept and agree that religion takes different shapes and forms, has different passions, interest, rituals etcetera. So case in point, christianity, Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, New Age, Scientology, Paganism, TAR, etcetera actually are religions. Also, for some, sports, like football or hockey is a religion. For some others, fashion is a religion. Atheism too, funnily enough, as well, is a religion however there is only one true and pure religion, that is faultless. So let's call a spade, a spade, as nobody, not even you TVSA, doubts that it is organised religion(s), especially like for example, christianity, and this is before any of the loyal opposition atheists like you, latch on to that Karl Marx comment, that is called the opium of the people, and not empathy and/or compassion, undefiled before God and seen by Him to be pure and true religion. Meaning anything else than that, are impure and false religions

Shepherd00:
Your friend Buda is now preaching Christ. Weldone

If he genuinely has, then he should keep at it and keep it up. He always, should pray and be prayed for, as you never know how far he'll carry on and keep it up for, though.

TVSA:
only an angel appeared at Gethsemane.

"²There He was transfigured before them. His face shone like the sun, and His clothes became as white as the light.
³Suddenly Moses and Elijah appeared before them, talking with Jesus."
- Matthew 17:2-3

TVSA:
What's the significance of the death of Moses in this?

No significance except than his time was up, but for some reason, Satan thought he could turn up after Moses' death, try to take away illegally by force and/or by deception his dead body but Angel Michael rebuffed him in no uncertain terms. Just shows how significant Moses is, for the devil to be interested in acquiring his dead body for himself

TVSA:
So, how do you explain these?

John 15:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

John 14:26 King James Version (KJV)
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

What specifically, in those two verses and other things so far, do you want explained?

TVSA:
Numbers12:6-8
6 And he said, Hear now my words: If there be a prophet among you, I the Lord will make myself known unto him in a vision, and will speak unto him in a dream.
7 My servant Moses is not so, who is faithful in all mine house.
8 With him will I speak mouth to mouth, even apparently, and not in dark speeches; and the similitude of the Lord shall he behold: wherefore then were ye not afraid to speak against my servant Moses?
This is very easy to understand. Moses was not like any other prophets in the Bible. That's why Jesus and Paul always refer to the old testament as the law and the prophets or Moses and the prophets.

Two people appeared and started talking with Jesus in the garden of Gethsemane. Do you remember and still know who the two were? Do you know what the symbolic meaning of their apperance and presence meant?

TVSA:
The distinction is always there between Moses and others. Moses had something different from what any other person had in the Old testament which God attested to himself in Numbers 12. Except if you are saying "The Lord" used by Moses throughout his books were mistakes or misinterpretation (which was an explanation by someone else on this subject)

There is no question or doubt about this TVSA, it's like I've already earlier said that God had a special and extraordinary relationship with Moses. I am quite sure you know that Satan, turned up after Moses' death, trying to take away illegally by force and/or by deception his dead body but Angel Michael rebuffed him in no uncertain terms.

ElsonMorali:
Uhmmm... What is "yogasm"?

UceeGod:
A supernatural experience while performing yoga

Yogasm is the orgasm experienced while performing yoga, and so nothing in that sense supernatural about it.

TVSA:
where did you get this your own interpretation?

From the bible, God of course and just from meditating on the word of God

TVSA:
and how are you sure you are right and others are wrong?

The bible and God have always been right. My Teacher, of course, who happens to be the Spirit of Truth, He guides me too, into all the truth, for He doesnt speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He discloses to me.

TVSA:
why was Moses face shining if he did not see God at all

If you too were to come from the presence of God, your face too will be shinning and others will be seeing the radiant glory of God on your face. Do you at all know what the conscious in presence of God feels like?

TVSA:
And what happened in Numbers 12:6-8 when God told Aaron and Mariam that Moses saw his face and his form?

TVSA, Numbers 12:6-8 is quite self explanatory and is obvious that God had a special and extraordinary relationship with Moses TVSA. God dealt with Moses differently the way he dealt with others like Aaron and Mariam

TVSA:
ALSO, what did you mean that Moses did not see into the future?

"¹⁷And the LORD said unto Moses, I will do this thing also that thou hast spoken: for thou hast found grace in my sight, and I know thee by name.
¹⁸And he said, I beseech thee, shew me thy glory.
¹⁹And he said, I will make all my goodness pass before thee, and I will proclaim the name of the LORD before thee; and will be gracious to whom I will be gracious, and will shew mercy on whom I will shew mercy.
²⁰And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
²¹And the LORD said, Behold, there is a place by me, and thou shalt stand upon a rock:
²²And it shall come to pass, while my glory passeth by, that I will put thee in a clift of the rock, and will cover thee with my hand while I pass by:
²³And I will take away mine hand, and thou shalt see my back parts: but my face shall not be seen."
- Exodus 33:17-23

I mean verse 18, in Exodus 33:17-23 above, where Moses asked to see God's glory, and God in verse 20, declined saying he cant see into that future, but in verse 23, said He'll let him see the past and not see what lies ahead in the future

TVSA:
Moses has the greatest prophecy about the sacrifice of Jesus.

"¹⁷Then the LORD said to me, “They have spoken well.
¹⁸I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers. I will put My words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. "
- Deuteronomy 18:17-18

"This is the same Moses who told the Israelites,
'God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers.'"
- Acts 7:37

Well, true and thats your proof he afterall is classified a prophet TVSA

TVSA:
He was not even classified with other prophets in the old testament

Although this isnt quite true, nonetheless if it were, it wouldnt be peculiar to Moses alone, there are others too who are prophets but are not outrightly classified as with other mentioned prophets TVSA

TVSA:
lol, so what did Moses see when he saw God's back? what isn't that literal too?

What Moses actually saw is how the Pentateuch managed to get written TVSA. Moses saw back into time, but wasnt allowed to see into the future. Get used to the allegorical part and/or side of the bible TVSA.

shadeyinka:
I believe any two Christian should be able to discuss with civility differences in their understanding of the Logos!

What of the belief in reading the link I gave you?

TVSA:
And the Moses guy was confused. At a point, he would say God spoke to him face to face.

Exodus 33:11. And the LORD spake unto Moses face to face, as a man speaketh unto his friend. And he turned again into the camp: but his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, departed not out of the tabernacle

At another he would say he didn't see God

You do know this much I guess, that God is a Spirit, dont you? That God hasnt got a face, that the phrase "the LORD spake unto Moses face to face," is not literal and physically, yeah?

shadeyinka:
So, if I may ask, what's your view?

Next time, look properly before you leap, instead of just now asking what my view is. I gave you a link to go through from which you can gather what my view might be from, didnt I? Or is it a case of you didnt have the decency and courtesy to go through it? All because you are spoiling for a rough tumble huh?

TVSA:
I'm talking about John 1:18 and John reiterated it in 1 John 4:12

No one has seen God at any time; if we love one another, God abides in us, and His love is perfected in us

Yes, I know what you are talking about TVSA, but please try to grasp that it is true that no man has seen God in His full divine essense

bloodofthelamb:
CONCLUSION: NO ONE HAS SEEN GOD THE FATHER AT ANY TIME, SO GOD THE SON WHO IS ALSO A MESSENGER OF GOD THE FATHER IS THE BEING THAT SPOKE TO MOSES.

TVSA:
lies and confusion. The bible did not say NOBODY HAS SEEN GOD THE FATHER. The bible said nobody has seen GOD. It is either Moses lied that he saw God or Jesus lied.

"Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father."
- John 6:46

God was not a Father when Moses spoke with God, besides, remember that God did not allow Moses to see His face anyway, when He said to Moses:"You cannot see My face, for no man can see Me and live!"

shadeyinka:
Trinity is NEVER three Gods in ONE!

Can you please give me moniker names of who has said Trinity is three Gods in ONE?

shadeyinka:
Hear o Israel, the LORD your God is ONE God
Any one whose doctrine of trinity is different from this is preaching a wrong doctrine.

If you know this, then what is your gripe?

shadeyinka:
GOD is the FATHER
GOD is the WORD
GOD is the SPIRIT

I thought I warned you against throwing in red herring huh?
What pointless exercise are you trying to achieve with this remark, huh? You wouldnt like yourself, if I should tackle you on this comment

Martinez39:
I don't know why the sarcasm of my op is so hard to spot.

Dont mind them, don't sweat it bro, it seems the second-hand smoke from MrPresident1 brand of weed is affecting all.

Martinez39:
A muslim feminist is like a herbivorous tiger. It's impossible. You cannot claim to follow the teachings of the quran and call yourself a feminist. Only the ignorant, the dishonest or the religious romancer would do such.

That's why I called the whole four choices an oxymoron galore and/or bonanza

MrPresident1:
Muttleylaff chicken Olodo upon hundred

So who is teaching you how to speak Igbo, na Google ba?

Go school, you no gree take advice, but I dont blame you sha, as school isnt for everyone.
Can you now see how the Google Translate you ran to go check out what I typed, has deceived you, huh
For your information, what I typed was in your Yoruba mother tongue indigenious language and not any fairking Igbo language.
Everything you cant get right, common prophecy na so-so misfire, simple and elementary yoruba language too, you mistook it to be Igbo

budaatum:
A Muslim Feminist does not have to be "worshipping side by side a male muslim in a mosque".

Here's a List of a few.

Why are you pretending I havent previously seen the list, erh?
I reiterate, and like I earlier said, the phrase "muslim feminist", you would accept and agree, is an oxymoron, as the words muslim and feminist go against the grind, and I did later come down to admit that, it is the strongest candidate that wins the clearest vote, to be the odd one out of all.

shadeyinka:
But would you agree that a man is a Trinity?

So what, if man is trinity, huh?

shadeyinka:
The problem is that if you don't understand how a man is ONE and yet triune, you would manufacture three gods in the name of doctrine

Why dont you speak for yourself and those manufacturing three gods in the name of doctrine, huh?

The below link might help make you change the way in which you've regarded me about man.
https://www.nairaland.com/5094410/what-makes-man#76929621

MrPresident1:
Who is teaching this one Igbo language?

Muttleylaff flurry-furry-feathered chicken

Martinez39, is right about you afterall, you really need school more than he seems to need and want it.
Olodo rapata over twenty, mistaking his mother tongue for Igbo language. Diddums.

budaatum:
So you haven't seen a Muslim woman wear an hijab because she is a feminist?

Remember I know where you live and it's not in the "Middle East etcetera" Muttley!

Please get back to me on where and when you've witnessed a muslim feminist worshipping side by side a male muslim in a mosque