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OkaiCorne:
Duly noted

OkCornel:
Why are you trying to be clever by half?
Which feast does the church organize with tithe money for tithers?

How does this align with the instruction that tithers are required to eat out of their tithes directly as opposed to your claims where tithe money is deposited into the church treasury to hold a feast?

Look at Deuteronomy 14 v 22-29 and show us how exactly the church is obeying it!

And please, why should Abram give a tithe of foodstuff when God never laid out any specific instruction for him to do so?

Should we use Abram's voluntary decision to tithe from the spoils of war as a basis for Christians to tithe out of their monthly income?

Did God ever ask for tithes to be given in form of money?

alBHAGDADI:
Who are you to say Job didn't tithe some because the Bible didn't record such?

alBHAGDADI:
Even Abraham who was recorded to have tithed, you still castigate him for that.

alBHAGDADI:
You do know that justice , mercy and faith was also spoken of by Jesus in Mathew 23:23.
Since it is part of the law and Jesus was talking to the Pharisees alone, according to you,
then it means we Christians should discard Justice, mercy and faith.
But we can't because Jesus upheld all i.e tithing, justice, mercy and faith.

alBHAGDADI:
Was tithing only meant for the Leviticus priesthood alone? Was it not also meant for widows, orphans, the needy, strangers and also the tither who all eat out of it?

Don't we still have pastors who work in God's house like the Levites did, widows, orphans, strangers and even tithers today?

If people don't tithe, how will Christian be able to propagate the gospel with modern technology?
You advocates of replacing tithing with freewill giving, how many times have you giving freely in the last six months?
If that's the church is depending on, do you think it will still be standing today?

frank317:
Oya, luvmi, tell us just one thing religion provides an explanation for. Just 1

luvmijeje:
Don't you see people going to spiritual center for issues the hospital can't find solution to.
Haven't you heard of a medical doctor advising patients to seek for alternative solutions to their issue.

budaatum:
Luvmi, please respect us, if just a little!
Have you ever gone to a spiritual centre for an issue hospitals can't find solution to?
Did your issue get solved?

bloodofthelamb:
If only they knew, and stop being obstinate.

bloodofthelamb:
Jesus approved tithing because he was born under the law,
live under the law and died under the law to bring an end to an the law.
He also establish a new law (covenant), which is the law of grace through faith.
How can they use the book of Matthew to back up tithing in the new covenant.
For me the new testament began after the death and ressurrection of Jesus Christ, and not when He was given birth to.

bloodofthelamb:
Indeed he really has.

bloodofthelamb:
I mean why should I depend on my faithfulness eg tithing, giving to the poor, my church attendance record etc, if I can depend on Jesus.
Why?

bloodofthelamb:
You have been so apt and detailed in every tithe debate in this forum.
Weldone!

bloodofthelamb:
If I depend on tithe for the blessings and favour of the Most High, then is no longer grace.
I trusted in something other than JESUS CHRIST.
The truth is that,
as much as many who depend on tithing inexchange for God's protection, favour, breakthrough, blessing have fallen from grace.
Christ Jesus have become unprofitable to them.

frosbel2:
In John 8:44 we read that SATAN is the father of lies - but what about the LIES of Jesus ?

Examples ;

Jesus said that if we believe in him, greater works will we do - Can't see evidence of this anywhere . John 14:14

Jesus said if we have faith as small as a mustard seed, we will move mountains, yet I see many Jesus followers grid locked with a mountain of problems. Matthew 17:20

Jesus said that if we ask ANYTHING in HIS NAME , it will be done for us. Everyday millions of prayers are said in the name of JESUS with absolutely no results - zilch results. John 14:14

Jesus said he will heal and yet many Christians are as sick as unbelievers and receive no blessing of healing

In the name of Jesus if we pay tithes, our coffers will be full of money and our problems will disappear - there is absolutely no evidence that this is true. In fact tithe payers seem to always be in want. Malachi 3:10

Jesus promised his followers that he will return in their life time , he did not - false prophecy (Matthew 16: 27, 28)‬

Jesus said we should not lie, yet he lied as recorded in the bible - (John 7.8-10).‬

Almighty God said we should honour our parents, but Jesus said we should forsake them for him and he even used the word 'hate' - Luke 14:26

In Matthew 11:28, Jesus said "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest" and yet a huge number of Christians are struggling with depression and problems with no relief

Jesus said that hell was made for the devil and his angels, yet he says that God's prime creation ( MAN ) will also go there - does this even make sense. Matthew 25:41

HardMirror:
you are wrong about me.
I have had 2 serious accidents as an atheist.
I did not think about god or talkless of calling god.
Dont assume you know people.

HardMirror:
I know it is had for u guys to believe but god is totally none existant for me now.
It is as good as a dog or tree to me

Ranchhoddas:
Oh MuttleyLaff!!!
I give up.

HardMirror:
this is why i still respect your opinions.
U try to be reasonable but you are still very dogmatic.

HardMirror:
Lets us also spin it around.
How many people have survived accident not shouting Jesus!.
Millions i am sure

HardMirror:
So what makes the name of Jesus powerful?

LordReed:
I thought this was Wrestlemania I was seeing. LMFAO!

HardMirror:
Hardmirror you must be mad and stvpid!

Nope. I am just being frank here.

Watched a video on a friend's phone, in the Video, pastor Chris was teaching on the power in the name of Jesus.
He demontrated with members of his church asking two volunteers to step forward.
He asked the woman to shout the name jesus and command the other volunteer (a man) to fall and not be able to stand up.
Guess what happened?.... oh you where expecting a spoiler there? Hehehe, trust me, no spoilers with pastor chris.
The man fell and could not rise up again. All because he was commanded using the name 'Jesus' to cripple him.
Then he was released from the bondage, ... of cause not in hardmirror's name. But in the name of Jesus.

The church went mad and wild with excitement. (mad people)
Then using the name jesus pastor chis made hundreds of people fall at once by just throwing a handkerchief at them.
Of cause he had to first fortify the handkerchief with the name of jesus. #*winks*

I have seen videos of benny hinn (ironically pastor chris' friend) do the same thing.

When i was a christian, benny hinn fascinated me above any other god of men.
Benny hinn can make the whole congregation fall with just a swope of his hands or with a little blow to the microphone. *mass hysteria is real*

The name of Jesus is useful for snake oil sales men called pastors, but never useful in solving any real life problem.
After all the stunts people are willing to give their saving up but they all go back to the regular life anyone lives, even those that worship nothing.
How many people have died in accidents whiles shouting Jesus? Millions for sure.

What a useless name

HardMirror:
back to the OP, dispute what i wrote in the op.

HardMirror:
Is Jesus name not useless?

Jayhazard:
Yet you cannot ponder on who/what gave those scientists the wisdom they used in making those seemingly impossible discoveries.

budaatum:
"Seemingly impossible discoveries" to you, perhaps.
But not to dedicated scientists who laboured night and day to be much wiser than you and discovered them.
And no one gave it to them!

budaatum:
"They worked hard to discover it"

Jayhazard:
The existence of charms and other supernatural powers, in a way proves the existence of God. These atheists know it, they do. The evidences are numerous, yet they also disagree with that because it supports God's existence.
What is wrong with simply accepting this truth of God's existence? If you think it's all about your intellect,
why doesn't everything work perfectly for you?
Why can't you control all situations and become PERFECTLY satisfied with life?

budaatum:
Forgive me for responding to you in my previous.
Smh!

Ranchhoddas:
I'm confused but yep, let me pretend I understand what you are talking about.

Ranchhoddas:
So what did you say?
Tell me in very clear and concise terms so I don't misquote you some other time.

Ranchhoddas:
Do tell
Think deeply how? Bros I no understand you again.

Ranchhoddas:
The medical devices in your picture is the product of science like a pharmaceutical.
If Christ will not use drugs, why did you put it up?

Ranchhoddas:
Would Christ have needed such a device?

Ranchhoddas:
If there is a time and place then it won't be a miracle.

Ranchhoddas:
You have so far failed to say what these rules are.

Ranchhoddas:
So for the umpteenth time I'll ask; what are these rules?

Ranchhoddas:
More vagueness?

Ranchhoddas:
What are these rules you continually speak of?

Ranchhoddas:
Oh God.
What pieces?

Ranchhoddas:
Do you have a PhD in vagueness?

Ranchhoddas:
My thoughts on the matter?

Ranchhoddas:
They are not halfhearted.
Perhaps you should rephrase your queries

Ranchhoddas:
This would not have been a problem but for the fact that people like to confer Divinity upon it

Ranchhoddas:
This deserves a meme.

Ranchhoddas:
When last did you eat honey?

Ranchhoddas:
It's not my priority but it's a problem?

Ranchhoddas:
Do you like the fact people are starving.

Ranchhoddas:
I'll end it if I could.

Ranchhoddas:
I assure you I don't know.

frank317:
It happened around 7.30 or 8pm.
The area was not well lit.

I had been in abuja for five years
and didn't think it was a dangerous place
hence was not watching out for danger

Ranchhoddas:
I did not know that I needed training to spot contradictions.
I find the dictionary definition of the word to be sufficient.

Ranchhoddas:
I mean that you called everything including medical advances miracles
even when you know that's not what we mean.

Ranchhoddas:
Jesus did not give anybody pharmaceuticals.
He only had to speak or lay hands.

Ranchhoddas:
There were no rules.

Ranchhoddas:
Miracles: A 40year old man lame from birth suddenly stands up and walks upright after a simple prayer by a visiting evangelist.

Fantasies: I agree with Merriam-Webster

Wishes: Same as above

Prayer: Entreating a higher power.

Ranchhoddas:
How come it tastes very differently to different people?

Ranchhoddas:
What is the Bible's solution to world hunger?

Ranchhoddas:
How would you prevent the next Fukushima or Chernobyl using the Bible?

frank317:
On the 30th of November 2012.
I was by a friend dropped between area 1 and Berger in abuja, behind national hospital. I was supposed to wait for a taxi going to kubwa.
While waiting two guys approached me and push me into the shallow gutter.
They pined me to the floor face down but my knees where folded (you know how Muslims pray when they touch their head on the floor)

After robbing me, they gave me my simcard and hundred naira from transport and asked me not to raise my head until they are gone.

I raised my head after they were gone and stood up only to find out my ankle was completely gone out of my feet.
It was dangling on my leg

Well, I spent three months in the hospital as a result of the incident and was operated on twice just to get my leg in order.
Today my leg is fine, though I still limp early mornings until I walk around a bit. But I am fine.

Honesty, I can't remember them being hard on me but I knew fear and emotions made me forget some of the things that happened to me.
Its the minds way of protecting u from anxiety.
They asked me to corporate and I did, but how did I break my leg so bad that it completely pulled out of my leg?
I know it wasn't jazz, everything happened in a blink of an eye.
and in the moment of fear and apprehension, my mind deleted some terrible things that happened to me

Ranchhoddas:
I did not.

Will it help me get the 100k? I need that money!

Ranchhoddas:
Make una just give me that 100k. I need am.

HardMirror:
so god is actually useless.

HardMirror:
Afterall we solve our own problems.
Thanks for the clarification

Ranchhoddas:
What is halfhearted about this?

Ranchhoddas:
I did not know that I needed training to spot contradictions. I find the dictionary definition of the word to be sufficient.

I mean that you called everything including medical advances miracles even when you know that's not what we mean. Jesus did not give anybody pharmaceuticals. He only had to speak or lay hands. There were no rules.


Miracles: A 40year old man lame from birth suddenly stands up and walks upright after a simple prayer by a visiting evangelist.

Fantasies: I agree with Merriam-Webster

Wishes: Same as above

Prayer: Entreating a higher power.

How come it tastes very differently to different people?

What is the Bible's solution to world hunger?

How would you prevent the next Fukushima or Chernobyl using the Bible?

HardMirror:
so god created that device?

HardMirror:
Lol!!!!

HardMirror:
Now you are turning to a clown

CAPSLOCKED:
I SHOOK MY HEAD WHEN I SAW WHAT HE SAID. THESE GUYS DON'T KNOW WHAT THEY'RE DOING

HardMirror:
very dishonest people

HardMirror:
yes the bible is actually special. It was able to blend all sorts of contradictions successfully.

Ranchhoddas:
You mean everything-is-a-miracle talk.
But this wasn't what Hardmirr.or was talking about

Ranchhoddas:
It did not show why or how the Bible is different from other religious books.

Ranchhoddas:
You know this is not an adequate answer.

Ranchhoddas:
What are these rules.

Ranchhoddas:
Have you ever witnessed the healing of amputees

Ranchhoddas:
or any form of restorative/creative healing following these rules?

Ranchhoddas:
Is it the only piece of literature that offers this?

Ranchhoddas:
Why is it special?

HardMirror:
ok. Keep up the good work

HardMirror:
read your comments on healing and prayers. Enjoy

Enemyofpeace:
How old were you when you realised the word POLICE stands for "Public Officer for Legal Investigations and Criminal Emergencies"
Don't lie ooooo

HardMirror:
if indeed i have a beautiful mind, would religion worth my time?
I shld spend my life promoting religion? To what end?