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budaatum:
Why then should theism allow you to cook up imaginary stuff in your head
and claim it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it, and ask me to accept it as true too, muttley?

budaatum, it has nothing to do with theism cooking up imaginary stuff in your head
and claiming it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it, and asking you to accept it as true too budaatum.

Having said that budaatum, have you thought about, why did you cook it up in your that today is going to be a good day
and so gladly rolled out of bed, to get out and face the world?
Did you have any evidence whatsoever therein then whilst still under the duvet, to support it before climbing out of bed?

budaatum, discovery and invention are two opposite things
Theism is about discovery and not invention or cooking up imaginary stuff

budaatum:
Do you have a monopoly on absurdity perhaps

No I dont
but you do, in this particular type of absurdity

If you can find, just one person, who believes in your fantasy of the imaginary million pounds in your bank account
you want to use to buy that spanking brand new red Ferrari sports dick extension car
then I'll arriba, arriba, andale, andale Speedy Gonzales willingly become a convert

luvmijeje:
Hmmmm! Training course?

Hmmmm!
SMH at you luvmijeje.
Why luvmijeje, why couldnt you have asked me to shed more light on my remark,
but instead you found it easier resorting to accusing me of twisting Christ instructions?

luvmijeje you should know better that now.
You're smart enough to know things like these.
To know that those twelve, for the past 18 months or thereabout, were on a training course with Christ
and that the event in Luke 9:1-5 is where and when very close to the end of Christ's earthly ministry that the twelve's training wheels came off

Quite rightly, the twelve disciples were persuaded by Christ to follow Him
so He can give them special training in how to be fishers of men
and all this, in preparation for laying the foundation for building of the church

Those twelve, with POWER & AUTHORITY were sent out in pairs. This is a test luvmijeje.
They are put through their paces to check their performance, reliability etcetera before being drafted into widespread and wider use.
What will they do when alone, when Christ is not there and so left to their own devices?
Would they obey, would they trust, would they have faith, would they deliver/have good successes?

luvmijeje, if you had put forward Matthew 28:18-20 instead of Luke 9:1-5,
maybe we wouldnt have been having this our intelligent discourse in this way or manner

I know luvmijeje, what you are on about, concerning ekklesia that Christ mentioned and what is paraded and fronted today to be ekklesia
but I dont want to make assumptions without seeing proof of it in black and white.

That's why I kept soliciting for more information to state clearly & in detail, leaving no room for confusion or doubt, of what you're saying/asking

luvmijeje:
Muttleylaff fear God o.
The way you are twisting Christ instructions deh make me deh throw my bumbum for you.

luvmijeje, it is out of fear of God,
that, as a great way to say "thank you" but without a twisted mind or sexualised ulterior motive
I will plant my tender, soft, pale pink rose red lips against your bumbum, next time you throw the bumbum for me.

budaatum:
I wonder if you've heard of my imaginary million pounds with which I intend to purchase a spanking brand new red Ferrari that MuttleyLaff says I keep going on about it?
This is precisely the sort of 'reasoning' it's intended to debunk.
According to you, the fact there is no material proof for the imaginary milion pounds in my bank account should not stop the Ferrari saleperson handing over the keys of my dick, as muttley calls my spanking brand new red Ferrari!
Please, do you sell Ferraris by any chance?
You'd be the salesperson I've been looking for.

budaatum I never called your wishful spanking brand new red Ferrari a dick
rather and correctly, I referred your wishful spanking brand new red Ferrari to being a dick extension

Dick extension, is a colloquial and everyday language used for describing an expensive car, owned by a man, that costs a loads of money
Everyone knows dick is red when erect, I mean redder and a spanking brand new red Ferrari looks like a dick
so if you intend to purchase the spanking brand new red Ferrari sports car,
then it basically means, for reasons best known to you, you want a great extension to your dick
Your attraction seems to be Ferrari, for some their preference is a "Big Metal Willy", BMW for the simple

budaatum:
I'm sorry, but my atheism does not allow me to cook up imaginary stuff in my head and claim it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it.

You easily can conjure up in your head you have an imaginary million pounds in your bank account for a spanking brand new red Ferrari sports car
and claim it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it.
but your atheism does not allow you to cook up imaginary stuff in your head
and claim it to be true without any evidence whatsoever to support it.
What a bummer, what a raw deal that is, the absurdity of your situation and predicament.

Ihedinobi3:
No I hadn't. And I don't particularly care about it.

Help a brother out Ihedinobi3
Why not care?
Please agree to take his imaginary milion pounds in his bank account
I'll personally make sure the dick extension wishful spanking brand new red Ferrari get delivered and parked under his carport/in his driveway

budaatum, how would you like your spanking brand new red Ferrari sports car delivered?
Would you like it with or without a roof? Convertible perhaps or not?

luvmijeje:
Bullshit.

What time is it?
Ah just past one, as I was about going to say, a bit early in the morning, for colorful language

luvmijeje:
I'll rephrase again, are the so called followers of Christ truly following the teaching of Christ in the context of the scripture I posted above?

This is why I tried wanting to pin you down to know exactly
and unmistakenly find out what you are having gripes with

You see luvmijeje, the twelve in Luke 9:1-5 were on a training course and this is before the build of the church
Notice the highlight of training exercise is faith
centring on no dependence on human, no human effort, no human factor calculation, no human factor reliance

Notice also, no threats, no instilling fear, no promising of doom/gloom no intimidating remarks, no curses, just shake off the dust from your feet

luvmijeje:
Luke 9:1-5
How does the above correlate with the church of today?

Luke 9:1-5 has many possibilities to consider,
and without knowing what specifically you are on about
dare I say, I still am none the wiser with your earlier remark and latest one

luvmijeje:
Thank you for asking.

Since there was no church, it simply means there was no room for offering and there was no room for tithe.
So how could Christ have approved or dissaproved?

You know this, I know this, and most of others too, as well know that
tithing was approved by Christ during and/or for a different dispensation that was under a different arrangement

luvmijeje:
During the era of Christ, he never encouraged the forming of church.
Rather he sent out men to go round the world to preach about the coming Kingdom.

Christ did encourage forming of church,
especially with sending out disciples to go round the world to preach
about the good news of the Kingdom and demonstrate the power of the Kingdom

This Christ did, inanticipation of the church He promised He is going to build

luvmijeje:
How sure are we the building of Church is not anti-christ?

How do you mean by this remark?
Please rephrase as it is coming out incomprehensible

luvmijeje:
Was there Church in the era of Christ?

No there wasn't church
but then if one wants to debate it, there was congregation in the wilderness before the era of Christ.
Why do you ask?
What's this question about?
What are you driving at with this intriguing question?

budaatum:
God should forgive more than it asks its creations to forgive. A million times a million times more, at least.

How do you mean God should forgive more than it asks its creations to forgive and a million times a million times more, at least?

Warripikin08:
No I'm not straddling.

If you arent straddling
then you must be more confused than a chameleon finding itself in a box of skittles

Warripikin08:
The truth is we don't know how we got here.

The truth is you don't know how we got here
so I put to you, hazard a guess.

Warripikin08:
But religion is trying to answer that just to satisfy people's curiosity.

Misconception #1: Nothing to do with religion, trying to answer anything

Warripikin08:
That doesn't make it true.
Take for example, a 7 years old child or your 7 years old child ask you a question like this.
Why do cats always kill rats?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOXH57VymKc
Well first, this is another misconception flying
because cats DON'T always kill rats

Warripikin08:
What answer would you give to the child?

It is a simple answer I would give the child
and it would be in line to the answer I would give to the above desire to know or learn about how we got here

To the child, I would say, in the grand scheme of things, animals have interchangeable/reversible roles
that could make them a predator/forager, prey/quarry or decomposer/scavenger in keeping to preserve the ecological balance

So cats are predators slash preys, they not always, but do kill rats for food or fun

nelsonoba:
For some time now, some fellows who think they can make some of us they call 'sheeple' to stop sowing seeds or giving have been putting up videos online of pastors asking people in congregation to sow seeds, first i remember was that of Funke Adejumo, and then Biodun Fatoyinbo.

Let me spell it out first before i continue; I AM AN UNCURABLE BELIEVER IN SOWING/GIVING. NO AMOUNT OF Daddy freezes or @HopefulLandlord or @kramer can stop me from sowing to my pastors or giving to church. In fact, as i type this, i am already imagining how i will sow N100,000,000,000 into my pastor's life one day when God blesses me with that kind of money, and i will love to see daddy freeze hug a wet transformer if he is still alive by that time and he gets to hear the news!

I am a sower today and i will remain one because i have seen results. Only a fool would have seen the kind of results i saw from sowing/giving to God and still think it doesnt work. I cannot list all the results cos there is no time to start typing everything here, but i will list just a few to help a few people who are genuinely seeking the truth;

1) In 2004, i was still in university and i had a General Studies course that i had taken in 2nd year, and, i failed it. This was a very simple course that i had read for and was actually expecting at least a B, but result came out and i saw F. i was heart broken and put myself together and decided to take it again in 3rd year. by the time i was in 4th year, results had come out for the exam i re-took in 3rd year, and i still saw an F again. I was mad this time around and i just couldnt understand why such a simple-looking course would be giving me an F when i'd been getting As in much more difficult courses. At this point i told myself i was never going to resit that course again (afterall, what is the guarantee that reading well and resitting it again like other time would make any difference with the same lecturer?). But then i remembered that talk is cheap, and if i was ever going to graduate with my mates, i had to pass this course. So i decided to do something out of the ordinary to create an out of the ordinary result for me in this condition.

Fortunately for me, one of my uncles that lived abroad at that time had just sent me around $200 via western union about a day or two before this result came out, and i decided to put the principle of sowing to test. I prayed and told God i did not want to retake this exam again. I paid my tithe from the money and took out $80(i can't remember precisely, but i think that was the exact amount i took out for the seed), put it in an envelope and went to my pastor. I told him i just came to sow a seed, and i didn't even mention the exact reason why i was sowing the seed to him, i just told him i was going to sow a seed and he should pray for me. He prayed for me there and told God to bless me. The next day after sowing the seed, i took a step of faith and decided to go meet the lecturer and tell him i needed to have my result changed (sounds crazy, huh? you better don't try such a move except you know who is backing you!).

I walked into the lecturer's office, and greeted him, he asked me who i was and what i wanted. i told him i was one of his students in 2nd year that took his course but failed it, and i took it in 3rd yr again and just saw F again in the results he released a few days ago, but that I CANNOT TAKE THE COURSE AGAIN. The man was taken aback, and for a moment he was probably trying to wonder who this 'little boy' was, who had the audacity to walk into his office and tell him he failed his course and wanted his result changed because HE COULD NOT TAKE THE EXAM AGAIN.

next thing, the man begins to question me, he asks me who i am, i told him. asked me my course of study, where i come from, who my parents are, i told him (and of course, my parents were 'nobody'). he asked me what church my parents attend, and before i knew it, we were having an interesting conversation and laughing. By the time we finished, the man frankly told me that he had already sent the results to Exams & Records, so that there is nothing he can do about it, if he hadn't sent it, maybe something could have been done. I looked at him and told him 'Sir, i can't take that exam again'. He then told me 'ok....you can go. come back and see me next week'.

Exactly one week later, i went back to his office. he didnt recognise me when i walked in and so he asked me again that who am i and what can he do for me. I reminded him that i was the student who came last week and told him about his course i faild and cannot take again. He quickly remembered and mentioned my name, and he then told me ''ok...you can go, i have taken care of it''. I then tried to ask him what my new grade was, but he refused to tell me. he just told me ''go, don't worry about it''.

At this point, i didn't know if i should believe him or not, cos if he was deceiving me, it means i will only get to find out when they release final year list of graduating students and my name is not there. but then i remembered the seed i sowed and that my faith was in God.

Guess what? I didn't find out what the man did until after i saw my name on the list of final year students graduating! When i later went to collect my transcript from the school, i saw the man had changed my result to a C.

All of this happened without the man knowing me before. I did not bribe him. God just remembered my seed and did themiracle for me

PS Note: Before you start asking God for this kind of academic miracle, make sure you have not been cheating in exams and you had done your best to study before the exams! I never cheated in any exam throughout my university days from year 1 to year 5. Cos you cannot be living in wilful sin and be expecting God to answer you and your seed! God wants your life first before he can accept your seed.

Many more examples i can give later. but no time for now

https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/41AiRdYKeFL._SX300_.jpg
What a load of rubbish
Put radioactive waste trash where it belongs

CAPSLOCKED:
WELCOME ABOARD. NEVER STOP QUESTIONING, NEVER STOP LEARNING.

Warripikin08:
Yeah, but I'm not atheist.
I'm an agnostic because looking at the way life is I think there might be a creator who designed living things on earth.

Take for example the reproduction system it self.
Do you think chance might be responsible for the possibility if having a reproductive system and still produce our kind.

Are you straddling?

Warripikin08:
What made you suspect so.

I did too, it's a hunch

dominique:
It's totally wrong to body shame others, she as A celebrity ought to know better.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/8364334_img20181222wa0000_jpegbe69f64fea9f895932ac66d754fc1b51
What is body shaming in what Yemi originally posted?
Yemi Alade told it, like it is.

raptex:
What you call "righteousness" is indeed nothing but hypocrisy.

1/ What do you call this "righteousness" then?
2/ What do you know that the "righteousness" is about?

raptex:
Wake up and realize that "eternal damnation" only exists in your mind.

What do you understand "eternal damnation" to mean and be?

raptex:
Why would a "merciful" god send his own creation to hell?

Why wouldnt a Merciful God send His own creation to "hell"?

raptex:
Why would he even create people when he knows that they'll end up in hell?

Why shouldnt He even create people when He knows that they'll end up in "hell"?

raptex:
Can't you see that there's something terribly wrong with that story and that god?

Those who dance are seen as crazy in head by those who can't hear the music

budaatum:
Why would a god that asks its creations to forgive 70 times 70 times not itself forgive 70 million times 70 million times?

How do you mean with this remark?

raptex:
Exactly

Exactly what?

alBHAGDADI:
So we should garbage the law?

What kind of understanding and reasoning is this?

Laws are not garbaged alBAGHDADI.
They are made redundant, made inoperative, made useless, made ineffective,
made obsolete by the presence of another law that is superior, better and more powerful.

alBHAGDADI:
please next time, stop partitioning my comment.
It makes replying difficult especially when you write long words. I've typed enough already.

openmine:
Chai see another hilarious response!

Comon bro Not WE but GOD said so in the scriptures...haba

With all due respect to you bro but Are you okay?
Do you lack understanding of simple terms?
You read what the scriptures said and you still keep acting like the terms are strange to you?
If garbage is how the term that you understand about the end of the law, then so be it!
That's what is there....that's the truth!
Enough of this obvious benightedness!

Bro you are not sound at all!
If i may ask...do you know which language the bible was written in before it was made in the English version?
The reason why you speak in such ignorant manner
is that you don't even know the history of the belief you even profess and where it started from!
Your ignorance is way too obvious to even want to learn!

Sorry bro
but i need to respond differently to so many uncoordinated and disjointed points poorly strapped in a one sentence by you!
This is done So that you don't claim you never said such in the future!
Secondly, am taking my time to explain
so that you don't misquote or misunderstand what i say since you are having issues comprehending simple english terms!

Openmine, you see what we are dealing with here?

He wants to throw up loads of unbelievable rubbish
and expect you to roll over and not tackle, line by line, section by section
and blow for blow, each of the fabricated lies and invented truths he is strung together.

He wants to get away with murder without getting challenged on each and all fronts
He is complaining. Can you believe that

nelsonoba:
I am not answering your questions until you provide answer to my initial question, which I am going to ask you again. And i need a chapter and verse, where God mentioned tithing as one of the things to be done away with. If you can't provide an exact chapter and verse mentioning TITHING as something to be done away with, then you need to step aside let the TITHE MOVEMENT MARCH FORWARD OR YOU MAY BE TRAMPLED ON THE GROUND IF YOU DECIDE TO KEEP BLOCKING OUR WAY, because Jesus said 'I will build my church and the gates of hell (you can include Daddy Freeze's name here if you wish) shall not prevail'.

QUESTION AGAIN: I will like you to quote the exact scripture where you saw TITHING mentioned in this your LAW-FILTRATION PROCESS

If you are not infoxicated, you would have seen that I have already answered your question and done more

You find reading information and gaining knowledge from it, a challenging thing for you to do.
Your concentration level and attention to truthful points or details is abysmal.

I have answered your question,
so please stop behaving like a prat or a laughing hyena, go ahead answering the questions
and stop keeping people waiting for your responses

budaatum:
h t tps://youtu.be/cGecYM8S1r0

I love it. I love it. I love it. I love it
I love it
Held me up going to work
budaatum it's all about God being Sovereign mhen
Chill mayne
Do you know what's to learn from it whole and others?

alBHAGDADI:
And when we tell you guys that God was in support of tithing even before the law,
in that his Son Jesus as Melchizedek received tithe from Abraham, you guys kick against such notion.

God is the same Yesterday, Today and Forever. What ever he was against prior to the law still stands.

SMH, I have just realised you are more confused than a chameleon trapped in a box of skittles
Was God in the beginning, in support of tithing, in the Eden?

I am sorry to say alBHAGDADI, but there is an awful lot of empty rhetorics written in your post and others similar to yours
and I believe the reason is due to the poor understanding of the meaning ""no one knew Melchizedek birth or death"
All due to poor understanding of why it was Melchizedek, Abraham opted to give the spoils of war tithe to
Poor understanding of the customary law behind the tithe Abraham gave
Poor understanding of the circumstances of how the Levi got given the office of the priesthood
Plenty and lots of poor understandings, there are too much to continue mentioning

alBHAGDADI:
I'm glad you brought this up. It clearly shows you don't even known what tithing is.
Tithing is different from GIVING.
When you give someone something, it serves as a gift or an offering.
It never belonged to the person, hence you can say you are just giving the person.

There you will bring your burnt offerings, your sacrifices, your tithes,
your sacred offerings, your offerings to fulfill a vow, your voluntary offerings,
and your offerings of the firstborn animals of your herds and flocks.
- Deuteronomy 12:6

Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
- Malachi 3:8

Of course, tithing is not offering, if it was offering, like you mistakenly assume it to be,
then there wont be a distinction between tithes and offerings, as being shown in Deuteronomy 12:6 and Malachi 3:8 above

alBHAGDADI:
2 Corinthians 9:6-7
6 But this I say, He which soweth sparingly shall reap also sparingly; and he which soweth bountifully shall reap also bountifully.
7 Every man according as he purposeth in his heart, so let him GIVE ; not grudgingly, or of necessity: for God loveth a cheerful giver.

But tithing is not giving but paying. It belongs to God that's why you have to pay it, not give it.
That's even why God said the people were ROBBING him when they failed to bring the tithe into his storehouse.
If you live in a rented house and you haven't paid your rent in two years,
it means you are owing your landlord and robbing him by enjoying his property for free.
But when you decide to pay your rent, you can't use the word GIVE because it is not a gift but a debt you PAID.

Notice how Jesus used the word PAY when speaking of tithing.

Mathew 23:23
Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin,
and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith:
these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.

Also notice how the Pharisee in verse 12 used the word GIVE.

Luke 18:10-14
14 Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican.
11 The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican.
12 I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess.
13 And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner.
14 I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

Notice how Jesus slammed him because he was exalting himself thinking he was GIVING it voluntarily without knowing it was required of him because it is a debt.
He thought he deserves God's listening hear just because he tithes.
He doesn't know that the tithe which he says he gives is actually God's property.
You cant say you are giving me a gift when the actual thing is my property. The tithe is the Lord's.

Leviticus 27:30
And all the tithe of the land, whether of the seed of the land, or of the fruit of the tree, is the LORD'S: it is holy unto the LORD.

The Greek original word, "die", used in Matthew 23:23, means, it is necessary, to tithe
and so when that necessity is over, that duty or responsibility to tithe, is no longer required or needed
It was under that present circumstances alBHAGDADI, that Jesus says to tithe, and not the thereafter

alBHAGDADI, the only tithes to God are:
1) the Levitical tithe aka Mosaic Law tithe, which are given to the priest (e.g. Levite)
and
2) the Abraham type of tithe, given to a priest cum king (i.e. Melchizedek)
- see #3 below

Other tithes in a secular world context (i.e. tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1) alBHAGDADI are given
1) at pagan temples to priest(s) (note alBHAGDADI extra biblical references will be provided upon request, same with #3 below)
2) Upon the king's demand's (note alBHAGDADI bible references will be provided upon request)
3) to local ruler cum priest worthy of the consideration, after taking up arms, go to fight and winning battle fight(s) or war

This is breaking it further down for easier understanding alBHAGDADI:
1) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the Mosaic law (i.e. the Levitical tithe also known as the Mosaic Law tithe)
2) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the christian gatherings law
(i.e. ecclesiastical tithe, where christian gatherings, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income)
3) There is obligatory tithe imposed by custom law (i.e. Abraham's tithing was done, due to the social setting of that time)
4) There is obligatory tithe imposed by monarchy law (i.e. tenth of seed and of vineyards, given to the king's officials and servants)

Now, there is another, which is voluntary tithe,
The nuance in this sort of tithe or tithing, is that it isn't imposed by the Mosaic law, not by christian gatherings law or by any custom law
It so happens or occurs, when FREELY, one DECIDES to GIVE, a tenth of one's financial standing,
as a form of contribution or donation toward's Kingdom purposes, aid or means

In fact, the tithing subtle difference, is that it is NOT obligatory or imposed

Bible writers and God use the terms, tenth and tithe interchangeably
So if I voluntarily give 10%, a tenth or 10 out 100 of my money contribution or donation toward's Kingdom purposes, aid or means,
I technically have given a tithe,
Considering that it is not a taxed, obligatory or imposition tithe, then I am free, to go ahead giving it

All tithes or tithings, are a form of giving
but NOT all giving are a tenth, tithe or tithing
because the giving could more or less than a tenth, tithe or tithing

The Bible's message today, is about a revolutionary way of giving, where believers are instructed or urged as in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above

Giving could be 50% today, as in 50% equals half of your money
Giving could be 10% next month, as in 10% equals a tithe, tenth, or 10 out 100 of your money
(i.e. voluntary tithe, voluntarily giving 10%)
Giving could be 100% following month, as in 100%, equals all of your money
Giving could be 0% following month after, as in 0%, equals zero goes out of your money
Could decide to give 1% month following after, as in 1%, equals 1 out 100 of your money
The giving cycle is not fixed, it might repeat or not repeat itself
How much you give, changes according to the ammount or percentage, you willingly decide to give

It is the freedom, to give whatever you're comfortable with cheerfully
This sort of giving regardless of the percentages is desirable but not obligatory
Without stipulating amounts to give, you're are being trusted to know, to do the 3 right things

You must each decide in your heart how much to give.
And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure.
(i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give)
"For God loves a person who gives cheerfully."
- 2 Corinthians 9:7

It is obligatory, taxed or imposed tithing that Christians cannot tithe

It is imposed tithing, which is dead with the law
and believers are not obligated to perform any form of imposed tithing

alBHAGDADI, correctively, the Bible teaches the "church" the revolutionary way of giving,
where believers are instructed or urged in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above, to do

2 Corinthians 9:7, by the way actually, is a rehashed principle God HAS always endorsed,
as evident in Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9

Go check out Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9 alBHAGDADI
God is doing a full circle with this

Bravo! Encore!! You could see I am impressed
reading you scoring multiple own goals all over your post and elsewhere on this thread. Bwahahaha ha.

alBHAGDADI now jokes apart
Look, here is a chance after you've finished reading ALL I've posted up here, to redeem your image and self
1/ Why alBHAGDADI, did Abram had to tithe, because it certainly was not because he was asked by God to?
2/ Why did Jacob vow to give tithe to God when he said "I will surely give You a tenth."?
3/ Why alBHAGDADI, was it that, it was after 400 years plus of Jacob's vow, that God had the temerity to demand tithe from Israel?
4/ Now alBHAGDADI, don't believe the sold lie that Jacob tithed,
but if you do and are a victim of that deception
please tell how, where, why, how and whom Jacob could have possibly tithed?
5/ Following on with #1 above, what's the significant reason why it's Melchizedek who was Abraham's preferred choice to hand over tithe to?
6/ What would you accept and agree as the common denominator in all biblical tithe giving (e.g. Abraham's tithe and the Levitical tithing) is?

Let me see how you react and respond to the above simple six questions
cc Mobilia, nelsonoba, OkCornel, openmine

nelsonoba:
Yes indeed!
I am a slave to righteousness as Apostle Paul spoke of in Romans 6:18
Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.

You are not just a bonafide confirmed and certfied SLAVE
but you also double up as a fraud

Do you know why you are a shameless fraudster?
You are a shameless fraudster because:
1/ You are doing the complete opposite of what's in Romans 6:18
2/ You are doing a complete and totally different type of tithing that is not recognisable to the Levitical tithing or Abraham kind of tithing
3/ The bible made you free from the sin of participating in obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving but you have "joba sibe"
4/ You havent become servants to righteousness, rather you are slave of sin and corruption

People are slaves to whatever has mastered them.
Those who lord over you, taking a tenth of your sweat from your brow, you have become a slave to.

You are not to pay tithe at all for the following 10 reasons
1.) You are not a Jew or an Israelite, who was commanded by God to pay tithe from cultivating crops or breeding and raising livestock (e.g. cows and/or lambs) in the Promised Land
2.) The tithe commanded by God was meant to be given ONLY in Israel, meant to be paid ONLY in Israel and meant to be received ONLY in Israel
3.) The methodolody used for selecting the tithe, was to hand-pick for tithe, the tenth livestock (e.g. cows, lambs) that passes under the rod
4.) The implication of #3 above, is that if you started with 1 livestock (e.g. 1 cow or 1 lamb) and at the end of year, bred and raised 9 cows or 1 lamb, then you dont pay tithe for that year
5.) Tithe were received ONLY in Jerusalem and for convenience stored up in a number of Levitical cities scattered all over Israel
6.) Where an Israelite is supposed to pay tithe on sales, is when ONLY buying back the tithe
(i.e. buying back the tenth cow, lamb or cultivated crops)
- there however, is a warning that the Israelite pays the going rate or value of the bought back tenth cow, lamb or cultivated crops tithe, plus 20 percent.
7.) The bible is a book of divisions, where some parts, like tithe part, was meant for and talking exclusively to the Israelites and no one else
8.) The common denominator in all biblical tithe giving (e.g. Abraham's tithe and the Israelites tithings) is a high priest or Levite physically receiving the tithe
9.) The implication of #8 above, is that a pastor is neither a high priest or Levite, hence has no business receiving tithe nor have any jurisdiction over tithe.
10.) Tithe was an obligatory and mandatory giving command made to the Israelite

Contributions which are voluntary and optional is the sort of giving expected from a believer(s)
It is what a believer decides in the heart and is comfortable with to give that God expects
Also believers shouldn't be sorry that they have given or feel forced in response to pressure to give

nelsonoba, can you see from the above conservative 10 reasons, why you're not to participate in obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving?

Obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving is shrouded with fraud, fear (i.e. lack of faith) and greed
Obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithing is misguided and is illegally being used to keep organised religion and ministeries going.
Obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithing is not how and/or with what the disciples, Peter, James, Paul etcetera led and/or ran the early church.

nelsonoba, you are, no a slave to righteousness.
You dont know the meaning of righteousness nelsonoba.
If you did, you wouldnt misuse and abuse the phrase with such impunity like you did
nelsonoba, you are slave of sin, corruption and above all, you're a slave to the tithe lord(s)

nelsonoba:
I would advise you to read Romans 6:14-23 it will help you a lot.

I told you, that if you dont run away, you will get an education from reading and staying on this thread, you'll get education in a compelling way
You certainly slowly and surely are now learning and reading up getting extra education to what you being confronted with left, right, centre, top and bottom on this on this post.
You've been forced, to go brush up your bible, on slave etcetera

nelsonoba:
I can now see that you have been lied to
that you now believe there is a new "more powerful law that excludes tithing"

Please humour me.
1/ What is tithing?
2/ Which are you talking of? Is it the Levitical tithing or Abraham kind of tithing?

You think you can with this, somehow wriggle out of this hole and absurdity you've found yourself in
Don't even try, as you'll only make it harder on yourself

There is no greater freedom than the freedom to be able to, all by yourself, decide in your heart what you want to give
There is nothing greater than given a liberty that sets you free from a fixed and predetermined percentage
Love does not claim possession, but gives freedom.
God has given us total freedom to be ourself to choose

nelsonoba:
Pls I ask you again; who did the separation of these laws
and where in the bible did God mention that MURDER IS INCLUDED IN THIS NEW MORE POWERFUL LAW, BUT TITHING IS EXCLUDED??

For you to ask where in the bible did God mention that MURDER IS INCLUDED IN THIS NEW MORE POWERFUL LAW, BUT TITHING IS EXCLUDED
is a very strong and good indication that you are knowledgeable ignorant
You are groping in the dark with this question, hoping, some way with it, must be for you, to continue in obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving

nelsonoba, please humour me again, will you
1/ Where in the bible did God tell Adam and Eve that murder is unrighteous and sin?
2/ Where in the bible did God tell Adam and Eve to tithe?

"When I was a child, I was speaking like a child,
I was thinking like a child, I was reasoning like a child;
when I became a man, I did away with the things of the child."
- 1 Corinthians 13:11

You're beginning to get it now? Right? Arent you?
The penny is dropping. Yeah?
nelsonoba, believers, we, have come of age and 1 Corinthians 13:11 above attests to that

It is a full circle nelsonoba, a complete tunabout to the original position.
We are lead back to the original position and situation where murder doesnt need to included
and tithing doest need to be excluded in the superior, better and more powerful law before we know what to do about or concerning them

nelsonoba, for the law of the Spirit, of life in Christ Jesus has made us free from the law of sin and death.
You do understand what is meant by the law of the Spirit, dont you?
We now have the law of freedom, the law of liberty, we are given the freedom to choose
There is no more constancy of operation, nothing is to be uniform and/or fixed
Like for example, obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe is fixed at 10% isnt it?
Tithe is ten percent, isnt it?

We are free from the bondage of tithing and I know you know that
Wouldnt you agree and accept that, without fear or favour,
one can give lesser or greater than tithe (i.e. can give less or more than tenth, 10%, 0.1 or 1/10) provided it is from a cheerful heart?

nelsonoba:
I will like you to quote the exact scripture where you saw TITHING mentioned in this your LAW-FILTRATION PROCESS

nelsonoba after what you just read up there, if you like you to find a black cat in a dark room, especially when there is no cat, then please be my guest, and go ahead, you have my blessing.

Obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving is illegitimate under the law of the Spirit
cc Mobilia, alBHAGDADI, OkCornel, openmine

Mobilia:
Oh I didn't know that you were the commander-in-chief of the battle. Sorry...
I saw the thread, decided to read the OP and then comment. I have disagreed with him on other areas of scripture.
See, it's about the scriptures.
I've talked about tithes a few times before on the Religion thread under my old moniker.
So the debate is not new.
I'm not here for debate. I just happen to agree with the concept of tithing.
I answered your question with a "yes" by my answer.
It was necessary to "break down" the ways in which I "give".
One is obligatory and the other is through my own conscience.
Yes, I give 10 percent of my "firstfruit" which would be my income each month.
If I had multiple jobs, I would take 10 percent out of those.
I have no problem in doing so....
I should want to do so.
Even if I would happen to be "wrong" by your view, it doesn't hurt to give to the Lord's church.
You write quite a bit oftentimes here on N.L.
In fact, I've never seen you write less than 1 paragraph.
So I've only done what I've seen you do a million times over. Answer a question with more than a "yes" or "no".
I don't really subscribe to the idea of "prosperity gospel"..which several churches in the U.S. build their congregations upon.
I also don't believe that pastors should EVER force or threaten congregations to give.
However, I answer to the Supreme God..and have an obligation to Him and Him alone.
I personally would never attend a church that heavily emphasizes "money" all of the time.
However, money has its place in the church.
God has commanded us to "give" in order to help us to be grateful and less selfish.
Really it's about obedience.
He doesn't need 1 penny from us...and to be honest, this entire galaxy belongs to Him.
We are supposed to be good stewards of what He has allowed us to get.
Now if ungodly, greedy, corrupt and vile men squander the tithes/offerings, then they have to stand before the Lord one day and give an account.
Now my giving of tithe and offering can be done with a corrupt heart and my refusal to give a tithe and offering can be done with a corrupt heart.
If my heart's corrupt, then there's still a major issue that must be dealt with.
That being said, that does NOT exempt me from my obligation...regardless of which church I attend.
The blessings I get are not always monetary...they could be protection from an unforeseen dangerous event, a child being born, a neighbor having a successful surgery, an unexpected gift, an encouraging word etc.
I don't tithe because I expect something from God. It isnt a "barter and trade" type of relationship.
I am not exempted from loss of any kind be it job, illness, home or death because I give either.
I do it because I love the Lord and want to be obedient to Him.
The "law of liberty" also requires something....
I am saved by GRACE THEREFORE I live a life pleasing to God because I love Him and am forever grateful.

One thing I've noticed about you is that you tend to get very sarcastic and angry when people disagree with you. Folks aren't always gonna agree with you...but no need to take it to a "gutter" level.

P.S. I wasn't saying that you showed me favoritism. I was just acknowledging a mention..since ALL males on the forum were told to avoid, ignore and not converse with me.
Therefore, I thank you...although your mention has been very combative.
Take care

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Our work is the seed Mobilia.
How can people trust the truth unless they see it sown?
Inside every seed is the potential for truth to be revealed
Truth crushed to earth is truth still Mobilia and like a seed will rise again

I know villains play the victim so well especially to circumstances they very well create
I dont mind unjustly being lambasted by you Mobilia
and that's because I understand and understand you.

PS: I actually do like eating as evidenced here again
and that's not sarcasm or beng sarcastic

HardMirror:
so what do you have to say to the topic

Good call.
110% concur with no demur

nelsonoba:
No problem, let's keep the bar on the floor level so you understand my question when I ask it again;

MURDER WAS A SIN ACCORDING TO THE 10 COMMANDMENTS, SO WHY IS MURDER STILL A SIN TODAY EVEN AFTER "THE LAW HAS BEEN ABOLISHED"?

Murder is still a sin today even after the law has been abolished and nailed to the cross because it remains a sin under a superior, better and more powerful law.

You cant be abiding by this law and be committing murder.

I will continue to inform you that according to the bible, you are a bonafide confirmed and certified SLAVE for participating in obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving.

alBHAGDADI:
This long epistle is as useless as the word it is.

It wouldn't beat your record of a useless post you originally put out.

alBHAGDADI:
You have been saying the law has been changed and also saying it has ended.
Which one are you saying exactly?

Look at you.
SMH he doesn't know which law.
He wants to know what the law is. Kikiki ki ki

alBHAGDADI:
If it has been changed, does that mean it has ended? If has been changed, what has the law against having sex with your sister changed into?
You don't know. If it has ended, does that mean you can now go and have sex with your sister?

It means it is superceded by a superior, better and more powerful law
How come you don't know these simple things?

alBHAGDADI:
Your last Bible passages is also wrongly understood.
According to your understanding, do you know you are placing yourself under curse for not committing murder or sleeping with your mother which are things the law warns against?

What kind of confused utter rubbish and warped twisted reasoning is this?

alBHAGDADI:
I told you already that those things which God spoke in the law which he wants discarded, he mentioned them in the new testament. However, the ones he never ended still holds. Otherwise, it is not a sin if a man worships another God, because according to you, since the law ended, we should no longer obey God's word that says we should worship him alone.

You, according to the bible are a bonafide confirmed and certified SLAVE for participating in obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving.

nelsonoba:
"Yes, nelsonoba, it is kill but it is not murder though. Facepalm. SMH." ..........does that answer sound very categorical to you? Why is a simple question requiring yes or no taking a whole sentence to answer?

OK, I understand now what the problem is with you
and so I will lower the bar, just for you.

nelsonoba, it is because the Bible in the original text used the word murder in the 10 commandments and not the word kill.

There is a difference between kill and murder which you don't seem to be aware of or don't seem to be able to tell them apart.

You are only going to be showing yourself up and publicly displaying your ignorance on this path you are towing.
Just quit whilst ahead and without further showing your cluelessness

nelsonoba:
1) You don't know where God commanded tithing in old testament
2) You have not read where God commanded tithing in Malachi 3:10
3) You don't know where Abraham paid tithe to Melchizedek (King of Salem & Prince of Righteousness according Hebrews 7)
4) You believe Jesus only upheld tithing in "that dispensation", and afterwards discarded it (without telling us the exact place God mentioned that tithe was discarded)
5) You believe tithing IS OF THE LAW AND AS SUCH SHOULD BE ABOLISHED WITH THE LAW, but you refuse to agree that Tithing had been in existence long before the law (as shown by Abraham and his descendants paying tithes)
6) You have not read Hebrews 7:1-8 where in verse 8, Apostle Paul said "And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth"
7) You refused to answer the question with a very categorical YES or NO if breaking the commandment on Murder and stealing are sins, or they are no longer sin since the law has been abolished
SO TELL ME; WHY SHOULD I NOT BELIEVE YOU HAVE AN UNREPENTANT AND UNHEALTHY OPINION ON TITHE??
WHY SHOULD I CARRY ON THIS CONVERSATION WITH YOU, WHEN YOU CAN'T ANSWER THE ABOVE QUESTIONS?

MuttleyLaff:
This is one of the most ignorant statement a person can make that I've so far read on the Religion forum.
Yes, nelsonoba, it is kill but it is not murder though. Facepalm. SMH.

Well guess what.
By the time, you've had enough here, do you know what, apart from learning, you'll be getting on this thread?
If you dont run away, it’s called getting an education, getting education in a compelling way

You are lightweight, you are a poor excuse for a learner

Look at you, you lie like a cheap Persian throw rug, saying that I refused to answer the question with a very categorical YES or NO
Do you need to visit specsavers?

I am pleased anyway, even if you havent learned anything at all,
at least you've had the sense and learned to change from using "kill" to using "murder"
You can send me a thank you card in the post for that free education on the distinction between "kill" and "murder"

nelsonoba:
You are not God, so your opinion on tithing does not matter.

Dont you think it is time to drop all these your sentimental nonsenses and excuses

I dont have an opinion, I am, unlike you, not nursing an opinion in this matter

nelsonoba, do you know what your problem is?
Your problem nelsonoba, is, you don't know the difference between fact and opinion.

I wish I had an opinion on tithing but it will be useless and senseless
It will be an opinion that won't affect the truth and reality nor change facts about tithing

nelsonoba:
If God the creator commands tithes to be paid, then it is right to do it.
If Jesus himself who brought grace upheld tithing in Matthew 23:23, then it is right to do so.

1/ Which tithe did God command?
2/ Why, when and where did God command tithe?
3/ Which tithing are you following and/or adhering to
Is it the Abraham type of tithing or the Levitical commanded type of tithing?
4/ Are you not aware that Jesus Himself, whom you admitted brought grace and upheld tithing in Matthew 23:23,
in reality, only supported tithing in Matthew 23:23, under that different arrangement and only in that dispensation?
5/ Are you not aware that, Matthew 23:23 bar important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness, is now just water under the bridge?

nelsonoba:
You have succeeded in shooting yourself on the foot by claiming the 10 commandments were abolished
and still telling me it is a sin if I kill you without justification. Before nko?
When God commanded us not to kill in the 10 commandments, was he referring to killing with justification??
If God was referring to killing with justification,
then why would The same God call David a man after his heart?
And we all know David was a soldier......what is the job of soldiers? Is it not to kill?

This is one of the most ignorant statement a person can make that I've so far read on the Religion forum.
Yes, nelsonoba, it is kill but it is not murder though. Facepalm. SMH.

nelsonoba:
So if I steal all your money too, you should not be angry because it's no longer a sin since according to You, THE 10 COMMANDMENTS HAVE BEEN ABOLISHED WITH THE LAW

Why better, dont you get your facts right before displaying your crass assumptions and colossal ignorances here
Have you at all, heard of keeping the royal law according to the Scripture?

Well guess what.
By the time, you've had enough here, do you know what ,apart from learning, you'll be getting on this thread?
If you dont run away, it’s called getting an education, getting education in a compelling way

alBHAGDADI:
Please don't mind those blind bats.

They are trying to change God's word on tithing which he never did.
If he didn't want us to continue tithing like he didn't want is to continue animal sacrifices,
he would have said it like he did concerning animal sacrifices.

But since he didn't change his words on tithing, then anyone trying to stop tithing is trying to change God's words.

Let me give you a simple illustration from the Bible.
Read the passage below.
Mathew 4:8-11
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
Ad you can see above, Satan wanted Jesus to worship him.
But Jesus knew that it is written in the scriptures that only God deserves worship.
That's why Jesus made it known to Satan that that writing in the scriptures about worshiping God alone has not changed,
so there's no way Satan should expect worship from him.

All those who kick against tithing can't show us where God specifically changed his word in the scriptures on tithing.
That is why people who tithe still continue to tithe because God's word of old which hasn't been changed by him still stand.
Anyone trying to change it is only playing Satan's role of trying to change God's word just like he did when he tempted Jesus.

alBHAGDADI, according to the bible, because of your obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving, you are a bonafide and certified SLAVE

alBHAGDADI, knowledge makes a man unfit to be a slave
There is no way you can master your future, if you're still a slave to the past and trudging down on an old way

Mobilia:
Oh I didn't know that you were the commander-in-chief of the battle. Sorry...

There is quite a lot you dont know about
so please spare me this "commander-in-chief of the battle" sarcasm

Mobilia:
I saw the thread, decided to read the OP and then comment.

I am going to lean forward and say this Mobilia
See threads, decide to read posts to get informed, to get become a better person, to get to make wiser decisions etcetera
and never to then comment to reinforce fixed views and be opinionated

Mobilia:
I have disagreed with him on other areas of scripture.
See, it's about the scriptures.

Mobilia, See, if it's really about the scriptures, seeing the light, truth and facts
then you ought to disagree him with him on obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving

Mobilia:
I've talked about tithes a few times before on the Religion thread under my old moniker.
So the debate is not new.
I'm not here for debate. I just happen to agree with the concept of tithing

My sister Mobilia, I know, I know you've talked about tithes a few times before on the Religion thread under your old moniker.
I know, I know. Do you think I dont know that the debate is not new?

I know, I know you are not here for debate
Let us reason together. Mobilia dont just happen to blindly agree with the concept of tithing
The concept of tithing is an old way, it is like old ways, they dont and wont open new doors

Mobilia:
I answered your question with a "yes" by my answer.

What is difficult in answering with an emphatic and as plain as daylight "Yes" or "No" first before going beyond the question with your "Yes" or "No" answer?
What is to be afraid in saying "Yes" or "No" first before if there is need to then elaborate further with more relating information. Hmm?

Mobilia:
It was necessary to "break down" the ways in which I "give".
One is obligatory and the other is through my own conscience.

I have good news for you Mobilia and you can take it to the bank
Giving is no more OBLIGATORY

Mobilia:
Yes, I give 10 percent of my "firstfruit" which would be my income each month.
If I had multiple jobs, I would take 10 percent out of those.
I have no problem in doing so....
I should want to do so.
Even if I would happen to be "wrong" by your view, it doesn't hurt to give to the Lord's church

It has nothing to do with me Mobilia
It is nothing about me Mobilia
It is not my view Mobilia, this is bible's view, this is God's view
This is the Lord's doing, it doesnt hurt to do the Lord's bidding and this is marvelous in our eyes

We now give voluntarily
The giving that has no inducement, no baits, no threats, no fear tactics
It simply is, decide in your heart, what really excites you to give
Don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure
You shouldn't regret you gave, shouldnt be sorry that you gave, shouldnt sense or feel forced to give

Mobilia:
You write quite a bit oftentimes here on N.L.
In fact, I've never seen you write less than 1 paragraph.

Do you want me to show you posts of less than 1 paragrahs I've submitted?

Mobilia:
So I've only done what I've seen you do a million times over.
Answer a question with more than a "yes" or "no".

I answer questions with a "Yes" or "No" first
and after that then, if necessary back the my "Yes" or "No" with more

You've only done what you wanted to do and never what you've imagined you've seen me do a million times over

Mobilia:
I don't really subscribe to the idea of "prosperity gospel"..which several churches in the U.S. build their congregations upon.
I also don't believe that pastors should EVER force or threaten congregations to give.
However, I answer to the Supreme God..and have an obligation to Him and Him alone.
I personally would never attend a church that heavily emphasizes "money" all of the time.
However, money has its place in the church.
God has commanded us to "give" in order to help us to be grateful and less selfish.
Really it's about obedience.
He doesn't need 1 penny from us...and to be honest, this entire galaxy belongs to Him.
We are supposed to be good stewards of what He has allowed us to get.

Therapy?
Did you feel better after writing this?

Mobilia:
Now if ungodly, greedy, corrupt and vile men squander the tithes/offerings, then they have to stand before the Lord one day and give an account.
Now my giving of tithe and offering can be done with a corrupt heart and my refusal to give a tithe and offering can be done with a corrupt heart.
If my heart's corrupt, then there's still a major issue that must be dealt with.
That being said, that does NOT exempt me from my obligation...regardless of which church I attend.
The blessings I get are not always monetary...
they could be protection from an unforeseen dangerous event, a child being born, a neighbor having a successful surgery, an unexpected gift, an encouraging word etc.
I don't tithe because I expect something from God.

1/ Why do you tithe then?
2/ Why the fixation on 10%? Why is it fixed?
3/ Why not some another percentage other than 10%?

Mobilia:
It isnt a "barter and trade" type of relationship.
I am not exempted from loss of any kind be it job, illness, home or death because I give either.
I do it because I love the Lord and want to be obedient to Him.
The "law of liberty" also requires something....
I am saved by GRACE THEREFORE I live a life pleasing to God because I love Him and am forever grateful

If you really understand that you are saved by grace, you'll know you live and give by grace
Grace permits you to obey the law of liberty
and this includes not doing obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving

Mobilia:
One thing I've noticed about you is that you tend to get very sarcastic and angry when people disagree with you.
Folks aren't always gonna agree with you...

You are accusing me with "tend to get very sarcastic and angry when people disagree with you" allegations that are completely false
I have not being sarcastic and I am not angry
I wrote out of love and because I stand up for the truth, justice, mercy, and faith.
I dont know how to love you and anyone else for that matter half way.
It has to be full on or nothing

Mobilia:
but no need to take it to a "gutter" level.

Please show me when and where "take it to a gutter level" occurred

Mobilia:
P.S. I wasn't saying that you showed me favoritism.

The nail that sticks out gets hammered down.
I never said you are showed favoritism, expect to get hot splashed when you step into the kitchen

Mobilia:
I was just acknowledging a mention

Can I interest you in something else you arent aware of?
How you were "was just acknowledging a mention" reeked of sarcasm

Mobilia:
...since ALL males on the forum were told to avoid, ignore and not converse with me.

Though I wonder what this remark is all about,
notwithstanding whoever that told ALL males on the forum to avoid, ignore and not converse with you must be insecure

Mobilia:
Therefore, I thank you...although your mention has been very combative.
Take care

It hasnt come to being combative, talkless be very combative

If you've shut your eyes to reality, if you've ignored all the information in my post on this thread,
if you've dismissed each, every one and all my questions,
please dont brush aside and/or shrug off what I wrote about becoming a slave.

Not tithing will not kill you, not tithing will not prevent anyboby from accomplishing something
Not tithing will not impact your destiny
Not doing obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving, simply makes you a better, stronger, effective and free person

Take good care but please remember all these and especially the slave part
I have more to say, more to post but I'll hold my peace and make do with this post as it is.

PS: Please feel free to ask any question(s) or question me on anything I've posted,
Please do, now, in the future or anytime.

vaxx:
what a bad guy......remmeber, na toto kill Samson o

Let's up the ante.
No bi toto kill Adam?

vaxx:
Yes, i am part of him and so the universe.

vaxx, I doubt he got you
It went swoosh, right over his head

vaxx:
so you also like toto?

Is the Pope catholic?
Who in his right mind, bar homos, (i.e. I love my homo brothers die) wont love toto
Seventh heaven, cloud nine, always smiling sigh of bliss ah-ha-aah.
The Lord is Good
Yeepa and somebody will say there is no God.

vaxx:
You love toto

tamethem:
Who no love am

Even the most spiritual people of this earth.

There are most things that have more value than toto
but dont we all, ignore them for the love of toto
Toto power, I hail you.

LordReed:
LoL OK so who is correct you or Ihedinobi3?

What does it matter to you who is correct between him and I?