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wirinet:
But Jesus physically proved his presence to Thomas before he believed

Yeah because Thomas asked Jesus for proof

wirinet:
Why can't the same Jesus prove his presence physically to doubting S e u n to clear his unbelief.

Wouldnt make a difference, if He did
It will be a wasted and futile effort wirinet, rubbishly shrugged off as an apparition
besides, the truth is: Blessed are those who haven't seen Jesus but believe.

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Who is afraid of "baddie" Freeze?
The ecclesiastical tithe tribe, are

temmytopsy1:
bros which level you dey na, are you xtian, muslim or atheist?

BecaciaBarbie:
He is an Atheist, who is gonna return back to Christ soon....

BlackManta:
S e u n is an atheist and so

Seun:
I’m ready to return back to Christ this afternoon if you can provide me with the evidence.

Jesus said to Thomas,
"You believe because you've seen me.
Blessed are those who haven't seen me but believe."
- John 20:29

analize701:
lol. How have you been sir?

We thank Abba for His mercies
Trust you're recharged and ready to take the world full on
Thank you my dear sister ma'am for checking on my welfare and/or the state of my well-being

BreezyRita:
I don't get your point really.
Jesus wrote on sand. So pastors today should write on sand too?

¹³When the Jewish Passover was near, Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
¹⁴In the temple courts He found men selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and money changers seated at their tables.
¹⁵So He made a whip out of cords and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle.
He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.
¹⁶To those selling doves He said,
“Get these out of here!
How dare you turn My Father’s house into a marketplace!”
- John 2:13-16

My observation about Jesus, is whilst on earth, He knew how to write, BUT didnt even write a single farthing book
When Jesus did however decided to write, He wrote in the sands and the wind soon blew the writing away

If Jesus, for a casual visit, was to come back to earth, here, now, momentarily, just for second, He will, AGAIN, get hold of a whip,
and beat the living daylights out of these pastors for their filthy lucre

How dare, take advantage of people because they listen to you on a regular basis
Milking the sheeple and fleecing the sheep of their hard earned money by selling them "best selling books" etcetera

BreezyRita:
You forget Paul, Peter, John were writers??

I guess you'll next tell me, I've forgotten that Paul, Peter, John were writers, who merchandised the gospel

PrecisionFx:
"there was no reason for Abraham to tithe again,
no reason to tithe to Melchizedek or to any other local ruler cum priest worthy of consideration"

Stop typing with confusion, U said there is no need Abraham to pay Tithe
n ur here telling people to pay tithe every month. .

Please substantiate the underlined in the bolded allegations that I have written telling people to pay tithe every month
by reproducing or show the quote verbatim, where you've alleged: I was telling people to pay tithe every month

If not, then retract your slander, the libellous remark please
and tender apologies for reading incorrectly the contents of my post

PrecisionFx:
"know of the customary law that compelled Abraham to give tithe"

There's no customary law that compelled Abraham to pay tithe to a king who gave him wine n food.

You would say there was no customary law that compelled Abraham to pay tithe
because you have never given this aspect of the Abraham-Melchizedek meet up any serious thought.

PrecisionFx:
"Abraham took up arms and went to fight battle only once""

And who told u that Abraham didn't fight other battles

I can give you the entire bullet points list of all the battles fought in the Bible

In the list, you'll find out that, it's only on one occasion,
which is, in Genesis Chapter 14, that Abraham took up arms to fight a battle

So my dear friend, I reiterate, Abraham, DID NOT, again, take up arms, to go fight any other battle

PrecisionFx:
In my explanation about tithe, I gave u a clear detail.

In your explanation, you gave a shallow detail

PrecisionFx:
Pls use ur common sense.

I beg your pardon, are you talking to me?

Calm down, friend, as you're coming across as an impetuous person,
otherwise, you wouldnt stoop low and say this to another

I can only presume, you were tired, you were looking in a mirror and then uttered this remark while typing it.

ehissi:
Okay!
We know that the Children of Israel paid the tithe, because they were commanded by the law.
Since you know that Abraham paying tithe had nothing to do with faith,
please tell us, can you teach us, why did Abraham pay tithe?

I will tell you why did Abraham pay tithe.
Just continue further reading on

PrecisionFx:
There's nothing like Faith in what Abraham did.
Pls get a dictionary and read the meaning if faith.

Genesis 14 vs 18 - 19 - 18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he was the priest of the most high God.
19 And he blessed him, and said, Blessed be Abram of the most high God, possessor of heaven and earth.

He gave Abraham food and drinks wen he came back from war.
Abraham didn't pay tithe every week or every month to Melchidedez, it was a one time payment
and he didn't pay with his money or with what he owns, He paid 10% to The high priest from the plunder he got in a war with his enemies.

This tithe was a free will offering Abraham chose to give the high priest who is also a king.
The well detailed rules of tithing is clearly explain in the books of Deuteronomy n Leviticus. It's not same with Abraham's tithe.

Abraham tithe WAS NOT a free will offering

PrecisionFx, however, is right that there's nothing like Faith in what Abraham did

No principle of faith about tithing or to tithe was revealed through Abraham.
Abraham, simply was following a custom practice that needed to be carried after successful win(s) of fighting a battle or war.

Abraham gave tithe under a custom law of that prevailing society setting,
this compelled him to give a tenth of war spoils to a king cum priest of considerable or worthwhile repute

The first appearance of tithing, in the bible, does occur between Melchizedek and Abraham
However, the truth is, neither started tithing,
because tithing was a prevailing practice in the secular world of the Mesopotamia bible day times of that era

ehissi, you are not alone, if why did Abraham pay tithe, is a question you havent been able to answer
Or dont know why it was Melchizedek, Abraham opted to give the spoils of war tithe to
and didn't know of the customary law that compelled Abraham to give tithe

Abraham took up arms and went to fight battle only once
and as it is customary, in those times, when battles or wars are won and over,
what belongs by right or custom to the victor, is 90% of the war booty
Interestingly, in a manner that cannot be evaded,
the rest, 10% of the spoils of war, as per custom again, mandatorily is to be given to a local ruler cum priest, and be blessed
Abraham found no other local person, better or more qualified than Melchizedek, to give this customary tithe, 10% of the spoils of war to

The immediate above, is the circumstances surrounding the, what, why, when, where, whom to and how Abraham tithed

Abraham didnt take up arms and go into battle again, so there was no reason for Abraham to tithe again,
no reason to tithe to Melchizedek or to any other local ruler cum priest worthy of consideration

I could type more, write further about this, at length and in depth
but wont, because it will go beyond the title of the thread and anyway, probably turn out long-winded

Timidaves:
The best way Jesus could communicate to people in those days was through the oral means and for your info there was no way He could have printed books those dat because there was no available technology to print in bulk at that time..
He used the only available means then to preach to the people.
And it was never accounted in the Bible that Jesus was poor.
He was constantly blessed with things by the people in the community.the Bible even said that He found favour in God and Man
Because Jesus came from a humble home does not mean he was poor or lacked anything

Apart from you going off on an unnecessary tangent,
are you seriously trying to suggest that if Jesus was to relive living on earth today, He will print books and sell for preaching to people?

petra1:
WRONG!!! Melchizedek was not a Levite , he received tithe.
Tithe is given to God not pastor. How ever full time workers in the church can be paid from it.

1 Corinthians 9:13-14
Do ye not know that they which minister about holy things live of the things of the temple? and they which wait at the altar are partakers with the altar? Elhven so hath the Lord ordained that they which preach the gospel should live of the gospel

The only tithes to God are:
1) the Levitical tithe aka Mosaic Law tithe, which God permitted to be given only to NOWS
(i.e. NOWS being an acronymn for No-inheritance Levites, Orphans, Widows and Strangers)
and
2) the Abraham type of tithe, given to a priest cum king (i.e. Melchizedek)
- see #3 below about this one

Other tithes in a secular world context (i.e. give a tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1) are:
1) the Mesopotamia/Babylonian tithe, given at pagan temples to priest(s)
(note: extra biblical references will be provided upon request, similar with #3 below)
2) the type given upon the king's demand's (note: bible references will be provided upon request)
3) the type given to local ruler cum priest worthy of the consideration, after taking up arms, go to fight and winning battle fight(s) or war

"For this reason I am sending you prophets and wise men and experts in the law,
some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town
- Matthew 23:34

Another tithe, not previously stated, is the ecclesiastical tithe
Any expert in the biblical law, or anyone for that matter, familiar with the biblical law, can attest that
this particular tithe was thought of, at a much later time, as it originally wasn't and/or was never intended to be practised at all.

Ecclesiastical tithe, is where a christian gathering, taxes its members 10%, tenth, 1/10 or possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income.
Some christian gatherings, even have a tithe ledger,
and members fall out of the christian gatherings' favour, if their names are found wanting in the tithe ledger book.

"Church" ostracises or denies "church" members, privileges like "church" posts,
declining to officiate at their marriage, death or birth naming ceremonies because they don't give ecclesiastical tithe

"Church" members who don't give a specified and regular 10% cant be a pastor, deacon, choir member, choir leader, minister, usher etcetera in the "church"?

If anyone, so wishes to tithe, as in give a tenth, 1/10, 10% or possibly 0.1 of your financial income, there is nothing wrong in that
but you'll be going down the wrong path, the moment you permit this practice to be imposed upon you as a religious duty

Ecclesiastical tithe is performing something imposed and so consequently is a religious duty

Do you know what the gospel means and is?
Gospel means good news
and it typifies FREEDOM, from any type or form of obligatory or imposed tithing.

Observe that, Matthew Chapter 23, which is the only place in the bible, where & when Jesus ever mentioned tithing, has 7 woe curses in it
No one needs to be reminded of what the symbolic representation, meaning and/or significance of the number 7 in the bible is.

Suffice to say, you'll be placing the woe curse upon yourself, if you willingly accept ecclesiastical tithes from the needy and poor.
Also, the woe curse betide, anyone, guilty by association, in cahoots, with those accepting ecclesiastical tithes from the needy and poor.

majekdom2:
gain knowledge, get understanding... get wise.

Look in the mirror and them immediately repeat those exact "gain knowledge, get understanding... get wise" words again

majekdom2:
Jesus' mission on earth was nit to write. he came that you might be saved.
The apostles were writers. Paul was a writer 2 Tim4:13, Danniel was a reader and also a writer.
read your bible well, you will see things differently

I can bet my bottom dollar, you believe the apostles who were writers and Daniel, sold their writings too

Pricelessangel0:
I can see that your senses are small.

I can see that you looked in a mirror dimly when you typed that
Stop trying to make fetch happen
The stench is intoxicating.
Get away from me with that stench that smells like ignorance, drama, headache and a juvenile.

Pricelessangel0:
Jesus didn't write books all those teaching you are reading in the bible are what?

If it is not going to be too hard for you, please name one book which Jesus, when on earth, wrote

Pricelessangel0:
I don't know why people criticize the men of God

Speak not in the ears of a foolish [man], for he will despise the wisdom of thy words.
- Proverbs 23:9

Whoever criticizes people will be more highly regarded in the future than the one who flatters with his tongue.
- Proverbs 28:23

Statsocial:
I HAVE NEVER EARNED MONEY FROM MY BOOKS
- Bishop Oyedepo puts to rest arguments on how much he makes from his books.
By Leke Beecroft
In no unclear terms, the presiding Bishop of the Living Faith Church clarified the argument on his income/royalty from books he publishes.
Till date, Bishop Oyedepo has released over 110 books and over 10 million copies have been sold since 1993 when Dominion Publishing House (DPH) the printing and publishing arm of the ministry was established.
According to him, his first two books were released in 1985.
Presently, the DPH owns a state of the art printing press with machines imported from Germany and yet the books are among the cheapest sold.

In his words while announcing the new Bibles being published by the Church:

“We are venturing into production of Bibles into all languages across Africa.
Publishing is to us a ministry, not a business.

I have never drawn a dime from my books once
- we only feed from the testimonies that come in.
No author from DPH earns a dime from the books in DPH yet it sells round the world.

We sell the cheapest of all Christian literature and we produce among the best.

The Church has never drawn from DPH since inception.

Why are we so blessed? We are doing the right thing.

Is it wrong to get money from books? No, but that’s not my style with Jesus” the Bishop concluded.

Some new books authored by Bishop Oyedepo and his wife, Pastor Faith Oyedepo
and published by the DPH were announced at Shiloh 2017,
among them are:
1. Guidelines to Effective Personal Bible Study-Faith Oyedepo
2. The force of Joy-Faith Oyedepo
3. The force of Hope-Faith Oyedepo
4. Dating: A personal guide-Faith Oyedepo
5. The breakthrough power of vision-David Oyedepo
6. Not by Power nor by Might-David Oyedepo
7. Understanding the Power of Faith-David Oyedepo
8. The Turnaround Power of the Word-David Oyedepo
9. The Exceeding Riches of His Grace-David Oyedepo

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¹³When the Jewish Passover was near, Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
¹⁴In the temple courts He found men selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and money changers seated at their tables.
¹⁵So He made a whip out of cords and drove all from the temple courts, both sheep and cattle.
He poured out the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables.
¹⁶To those selling doves He said,
“Get these out of here!
How dare you turn My Father’s house into a marketplace!”
- John 2:13-16

Jesus whilst on earth and knew how to write, didnt even write a single farthing book
When Jesus did however decided to write, He wrote in the sands and the wind soon blew the writing away

If Jesus, for a casual visit, was to come back to earth, here, now, momentarily, just for second, He will, AGAIN, get hold of a whip,
and beat the living daylights out of these pastors for their filthy lucre

How dare, take advantage of people because they listen to you on a regular basis
Milking the sheeple and fleecing the sheep of their hard earned money by selling them "best selling books" etcetera

onyxo76:
Come which church this freeze fellow dey attend sef?
Any church that can accommodate this fellow and his wahala go try o.

He used to fellowship at Paul Adefarasin's House on the Rock
but obviously not any more
Adefarasin now glances at him from afar, like possibly, among other things, thinking, the one that slipped through the net and got away, freed

adepeter2027:
Ogbeni, enter bush à beg make í see road wella

Tani, Ogbeni, enter bush?
You'll see road wella, after you've gotten over the temporary mental lapse and failure to reason correctly.

When my posts are posted, dont again, ever automatically mention me in them
Better still, dont even, ever consider reading them, talkless respond to any.

You chomp on posts, biting off far more than you can chew
this apart from trying to do something, that is too difficult for your stomach to handle

You're otiose on this thread, so, again, using analize701's style, gerarahia.
Scram! Shut the thread's front door after you.

adepeter2027:
Mature minds?

Ogede nbaje, o nsope o npon
Don't try hard to understand everything.
Just accept that the capability, to understand certain things with your reprobate mind, isnt there .

adepeter2027:
See funny comments above

You looked in a mirror dimly when you typed that

adepeter2027:
What sought of disjointed reasoning and cop-out is this?

**Major eyeroll**
Stop trying to make fetch happen
The scent is intoxicating.
You smell like ignorance, drama, headache and a juvenile.
Gerarahia. Get away from this matured minds thread

Junny04:
I always wonder why God allowed the serpent into the garden of Eden in the first place?..
God is all knowing and seeing, hence He must have known of the presence of the serpent in the garden...
As a father, is he meant to allow danger come close to his children?...

And if He allowed the snake into the garden just to tempt Adam and Eve,
is He meant to be surprised that Adam and Eve could not resist the temptation,
knowing fully well that they were highly ignorant people...
What's your take on this?

And the LORD God said unto the serpent,
Because thou hast done this,
thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field;
upon thy belly shalt thou go,
and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
- Genesis 3:14

The serpent was allowed in the garden, for right purposes and not for wrong ones
The unabridged account of Genesis 3:14, is too long-winded to share, besides being beyond the scope of the answer you're soliciting

The first embolden (i.e. ... could not resist the temptation) shows the necessity to tackle the vulnerability of Man

If the serpent, was not allowed in the garden, or better still, was never created, satan would have used something else, a different animal or means

The second embolden (i.e. "... were highly ignorant people"), is unjust and not a fair assessment of Adam and Eve
because they certainly WEREN'T "highly ignorant people"

profolaolu:
Because God gave every one ability to choose, U choose the way U want to live ur live

Of course, you're absolutely 110% correct.
Why not, if you so wish, nothing stops you

Afterall, from the word go, the Omniscient Being, from the very beginning, has always been big on carte blanche

hopefulLandlord:
can one chose something an omniscient being wouldn't know of before hand?

One CANNOT chose something an Omniscient Being wouldn't know of before hand.
Remember the Omniscient Being is All-knowing
Want to why one CANNOT chose something an Omniscient Being wouldn't know of before hand?

It is because before anyone or anything for that matter, is created,
the Omniscient Being had already gone ahead through all the different permutations, that person or thing, might do or might not do

For every thing, anything that happens, like experience, event, etcetera done right, it is happy days for the Omniscient Being
and for every other thing, not done the right way, the Omniscient Being, knows how to go about setting right, such undesirable situation(s) and the collateral damage
The Omniscient Being has answers and solutions, for every choice taken or move played

hopefulLandlord:
if an omniscient being knows I'll eat Rice,
can I use my "ability to choose" to eat beans?

Your question isnt framed correctly before asking
Read it yourself, to see how seriously out of sync it is

If you used your "ability to choose" to eat beans,
then the Omniscient Being, long before your "ability to choose" to eat beans, knew you'll eat beans and not rice.

The Omniscient Being, knew, you MIGHT, as an available option, want to eat rice
but when you eventually settled to eating beans, using your "ability to choose" from other choices, the Omniscient Being knew that too.

solite3:
tithe means 10% that is why it is specific.

The question I asked was:
Why, according to what you earlier said, is clearly defined or identified, tithe which is tenth, 10%, 0.1 or 1/10 a good way to give to God's work?
Are other lesser or greater percentages than 10%, given to God's work, not as good as the 10% or tithe?

solite3:
nothing is wrong provided it is from a cheerful heart

Thank you,
so you agree and accept that, without fear or favour,
one can give lesser or greater than tithe (i.e. tenth, 10%, 0.1 or 1/10) provided it is from a cheerful heart?

solite3:
again nothing wrong.
tithing is just a pricinple of giving just so that Gods work does not suffer.

Brother, seems you arent familiar with the famous quote:
"Be firm on principle but flexible on method"

You see brother, principles of giving have a hierarchy
and with love, I am sorry to inform you that, tithing is not at the top of this hierarchy

You think, I am making this up?

You must each decide in your heart how much to give.
And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure.
(i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give)
"For God loves a person who gives cheerfully."
- 2 Corinthians 9:7

¹Now about the collection for the Lord’s people: Do what I told the Galatian churches to do.
²On the first day of every week,
each one of you should set aside a sum of money in keeping with your income, saving it up,
so that when I come no collections will have to be made.
³Then, when I arrive, I will give letters of introduction to the men you approve and send them with your gift to Jerusalem.
- 1 Corinthians 16:1-3

The above is 2 Corinthians 9:7, look it up yourself
It is the revolutionary method of giving,
where believers are instructed or urged as seen in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above, to do
It is the same principle of giving
Still firm on giving but the method is different

2 Corinthians 9:7, by the way, actually isnt a new thing,
it really isnt a different method, as it is a rehashed principle God, HAS always, all along endorsed,
as is evident in Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9, so that God's work does not suffer

2 Corinthians 9:7 is the higher principle of church support, recommended and laid down, as a revolutionary way of giving, which believers are instructed or urged to do

As for 1 Corinthians 16:1-3, also reproduced above, it isnt, as some will argue, only for a special collection
Yes, it is a free will giving, but it is, the example, of how church is to be supported so that God's work does not suffer

solite3, brother, do you agree and accept that some principles are higher, superior and better than other principles?
Do you agree and accept that a certain principle(s) when applied can render some other principle(s) inoperative and/or redundant?

OLAADEGBU:
"The stoning of Stephen - Why were the Jews allowed to stone Stephen but had to go through Pilate to kill Jesus?"

Olaadegbu, you know as well as we all do, that Stephen was an easy and softer target.

Remember that stones were actually picked up to kill Jesus too
but they couldn't go through with it
Even attempted assasinations, were made on Him, like trying to push Jesus off a cliff

Why they had to go through Pilate, is to legitimise or legally have Jesus killed albeit get him on trumped up charges that will warrant a death sentence

Stephen too was sentenced to death on trumped charges without needing Pilate involved
but then Stephen wasn't as big as Jesus to cause a civil unrest and uprising, like grabbing and killing Jesus without a mock trial would have done

Jagermeister:
The way these women think so highly of this their body, nothing dey head of fish mehn

Brother, those guilty of doing these brazen acts of shame and mischievous behaviours know that, with the exception of you and some others, most guys have a soft spot for this fish head weapon
and that's the honest truth, why some women brandish the fish head weapon at the slightest opportune moment, to tantalise and torment

Jagermeister:
After the ejaculate, you would care very little of who's beside you; whether it's Omotola, toto dike or Emma whareva.. U'd just sleep.

Real and strong men, care post releasing and don't necessarily just sleep after it.

Jagermeister:
If most guys would be like me and stay focused, these brazen acts of shame and shenanigans would be extinguished.

My brother, as long as most guys will tell you, it's that fish head, that is sweeter pass sweet, it will never get extinguished.

Trendy247:
Shedrach, Mhedrach and Abednego were persecuted for their faith but trusted in God and were saved from the burning furnace. some renowned apostle/disciples in the bible on the other hand also trusted in God but were killed. what is the difference btwn the faith of Shedrach, Meshach and Abednego and the faith of those Apostle that were killed.
Your answer should lay emphasis on salvation.

Then you will be arrested, persecuted, and killed.
You will be hated all over the world
because you are my followers.
- Matthew 24:9

Watch out for people
who will hand you over to the Jewish courts and whip you in their synagogues
- Matthew 10:17

They will put you out of the synagogues. In fact, a time is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is offering a service to God.
-John 16:2

⁴"I tell you, my friends,
do not be afraid of those who kill the body and after that can do no more.
⁵But I will show you whom you should fear:
Fear the One who has authority,
after the killing, to cast into Gehenna.
Yes, I say to you, fear Him
- Luke 12:4-5

There is this popular saying, that faith is the kingdom's currency,
the apostles' faith was used for something other than their immediate survival and/or self preservation