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MuttleyLaff:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1UIyTefsXaA

It is that Fisayo Soyombo case of which the intervention of Mallam Abba Kyari, himself a former journalist, and the late chief of staff of PMB, who was Fisayo Soyombo's saving grace. No matter the bad belle press about Mallam Abba Kyari I heard, he never for his intervention to do the right thing for Fisayo Soyombo, diminished in my estimation of him

tobechi74:
Are you Fisayo Are you advertising yourself) do you want to contest election

Image123:
They're talking trouser, you want to talk skirt. Soon you will bring "shimi" and "payinti".
Obviously, some dressing are unisex like some socks or face cap. But from the known history of trousers, it is predominantly man's dressing. The only defence you guys bring up are manly women. If we follow the OP pastors explanation, they are the exact example not to follow.

MuttleyLaff:
What manner of proof-texting is this? Maybe I need to go get a magnifying glass to see where in all this pastor(s) is written. Simple request seems like asking to go get cold water from hell, smh.

petra1:
Make sure you do

MuttleyLaff:
petra1, who is/are the ruler of Naija people? Who are the democratically elected constituted authorities cum rulers of Naija people?

petra1:
Rulers refer to leadership of Gods people

Romans 12:8
. . .he that ruleth, with diligence; he that sheweth mercy, with cheerfulness. . .

jmoore:
Common: Both are men

Difference: Denrele obviously dresses like a man, though it may be weird but Bobrisky is a cross dresser.

Janosky:
1.) 1 Thess4:16 Jesus speaks with the archangel's voice. Daniel 10:13. Rev12:9. Joshua 5:13-15 Thess1:7-9, Jesus Christ is Michael the archangel / Angel of his Lord,Yahweh leads other angels.
The Commanding Officer speaks in whose voice, Ozour?

2). John 20:17, on earth, what did Jesus teach MuttleyLaff?
Revelations 3:5,12, in heaven, what did Jesus Christ teach MuttleyLaff?

3.) Romans 11:35-36. What came through the Father.
1 Corinthians 3:23, Jesus belongs to who?
Ephesians 4:6 ,who is the Father of all?
Rev3:5,12-14,21, why did Jesus get Father in the spirit realm?

4)
John 17:3,6,26, What is the name of the only God?
Whose name did Jesus make known?

5). Bros, go and implant 1 Corinthians 6:9 and Romans 1:26-28 into your skull.

We can deduce what you have no liver to confess in public

MuttleyLaff:
Its only a hireling that will come back with this sort of reply. OK, you want to play that game, yeah? No problem, as two I guess, can play this game too. Oya, show me verses, where pastor(s) is/are mentioned not to be rebuked for their behaviour and/or actions

petra1:
Jud 1:8 — Jud 1:10
Likewise also these filthy dreamers defile the flesh, despise dominion, and speak evil of dignities. Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee. But these speak evil of those things which they know not: but what they know naturally, as brute beasts, in those things they corrupt themselves.

Exodus 22:28
Thou shalt not revile the gods, nor curse the ruler of thy people.

Psalms 105:15
Saying, Touch not mine anointed,
and do my prophets no harm

Janosky:
[s]You are giving tacit endorsement to homosexual practice that your Bible rejected,
You think say you get SENSE?[/s]

Janosky:
Forget this long epistle you type upandan.
Give us PROOF from the Scriptures where Jesus Christ taught that Eunuchs were homosexuals.

petra1:
Wrong quote. The verse is not about Pastors but earthly parents.

VBCampaign:
Fisayo Soyombo: What Does a Country Do with all these Investigations?

By: Deji Yesufu

Fisayo Soyombo is a household name in Nigerian journalism. It however appears to me that we are all wasting this young man’s efforts; perhaps some other country that appreciates investigative journalism could poach him and use him to better the lot of their nation. Fisayo will be the first person to jettison such an idea – it remains a suggestion that he may still implement whenever the opportunity comes to him and if Nigeria continues to waste his efforts.

Soyombo came to my notice after his dare-devil investigation of the Nigerian police that nearly cost him his life. Soyombo had instigated his own arrest and was shut up in detention with the sole aim of reporting the fraud, extortion and bribery inherent in the Nigerian Police system. He went into detention with his camera on him – unfortunately this was what gave him away. Even with the camera in their hand, some of the policemen there could not figure out what he was doing – they were that plain stupid. Fisayo’s cover was blown in prison a few days into his detention but this had followed his being savagely beaten by an officer on duty. It does not matter the undercover work, the sheer thoughts of enduring such beating would have made many (including this writer) own up quickly as to what brought them there; but not Fisayo. Soyombo’s cover was blown open and everyone knew he had come to investigate happenings in the Nigerian Police. He would eventually be released but not after efforts had been made to neutralize him in detention for daring to do such a thing. Unfortunately nothing came out of that investigation.

Fisayo seem to have a liking for the Nigerian Police. I don’t blame him. The truth is that if one wants to document real life corruption, a trip to an average police station in this country will be more than helpful. One day, Soyombo sought to find out how much it would cost to smuggle a stolen vehicle across Nigerian. He drove a car without plate number or any registration paper from Abuja to Lagos; and also went from Lagos back to Abuja. For the two trips, it cost him N46,000. That investigation revealed so much: faces of corrupt policemen were taken; videos of police officers taking bribes; etc. Yet there appears to be no effort by the Nigerian police to curb extortion of motorist on our roads; nor has there been any move to reform the police system in general. This is the reason why sometimes I think that Fisayo is simply wasting his time with Nigeria.

There were some investigations he did into the Nigerian medical systems too. Fisayo invaded Nigeria’s mortuary and revealed the sorry state Nigerians find themselves when they die. That report was terrible and it broke my heart because everyone of us will die and the thought of what fellow Nigerians will do with our corpse is not what one wants to imagine. Someone may say that when living Nigerians are not being taken care of, why do we begin to bother ourselves with those who die. I cannot agree more but we must do something with these investigations. In another occasion, Fisayo admits himself at “Yaba Left” – a famous psychiatry center in Lagos, Nigeria. His findings were horrendous. I am not sure whether things have improved in that institution and I would not be surprised if things have simply continued as usual.

The latest investigation by Soyombo, published just yesterday, is concerning the corruption and rot in the rail system that the Nigerian government has managed to restore back to the country. Only recently, President Buhari and the minister of Transport, Rotimi Amaechi, commissioned the new rail system between Abuja and Kaduna. Pictures flooded the internet of Buhari and Amaechi riding the train in first class coaches. The train stations themselves were built to taste and everyone felt that this was a new beginning in the transportation system in the country. In fact, we had all been looking forward to a similar commissioning of the Ibadan/Lagos rail system – before Fisayo unveiled his can of worms. The rail system that was only recently commissioned has been taken over by corruption. Because the express way between Kaduna and Abuja has become largely unsafe, most travelers prefer to use the train. In the process the volume of users of the train had gone. Then came in corruption also. Tickets that should sell for N1,500 end up being sold for N4,000. Even at that price tickets are still not available. Fisayo reports on how police and military men connive with workers at the station to hoard tickets and sell them at black market rates to people. Yet, we have a government in the country and nothing is being done. I would be heartbroken if this report simply goes the same route that the other investigations by this great Nigerian man go: government does nothing with it. I think there are reasons why Soyombo’s investigations are not hitting the mark and I would use the rest of this essay to discuss them.

Soyombo’s investigations reveal that the architects of Nigeria’s problem are Nigerians themselves. The next time you gather with your fellow Nigerians and they begin to blame government for the woes of this country, pull out a report by Soyombo and show them. Nigerians are their own enemies. In all the investigations that Soyombo carried out, you can see Nigerians taking advantage of the lull in the system. It is true things are not the way they are supposed to be but Nigerians need to know that nothing will get better until everyone of us begin to make the effort to fix things in our own little corner.

Soyombo, in a Facebook post, which was actually not an investigative effort, declared that he had removed himself from the national grid. Why? PHCN had continued to bring estimated bills to his house and every effort to get a meter has failed. It appears that some electricity workers would rather have Nigerians without pre-paid meters, so that they could take advantage of the system. This means that PHCN workers will still have the opportunity of collecting bribe monies from people in different localities who use power without paying. I know this for a fact because in recent weeks, government increased electricity tariff. In my neighborhood, the cost of electricity went as high as 110% . This has led to me shouting myself hoarse in the house, calling on my children to switch off light bulbs they are not using. My deep freezer is almost on total lockdown now and the pumping machine is used very sparingly. Yet, my neighbors use power as if it is about to go into extinction. While we have changed all our bulbs to energy savers, people use 100 watt bulbs freely in their shops and they leave these lighting points on all day. It is obvious that folks like these are not paying electricity bill; they are the ones that bribe PHCN officials when they come to cut-off their power lines. Obviously, all these persons and the PHCN people are not government; they are fellow Nigerian bent on milking the country dry. When government cannot recoup its investment in power, it increases tariff electricity. But this only causes for the circle to begin again: Nigerians would cut corners; they will bribe PHCN workers; and folks like us, good Nigerians, will be the ones paying for the electricity everyone is using. Nigerians are there number enemies.

Another reason why Fisayo’s report has failed to hit the mark is because of government ineptitude. Here again, what I have in mind is not Muhammadu Buhari or the ministers working under him; but the ineptitude of government agencies that should handle these reports and work on them. I am talking about civil servants. One thing we must understand as a people is that there is nowhere in the world where a President or even his ministers do everything as far governance is concerned. The best that they can do is to put policies in place that would allow for the smoot functioning of society. Government would still have to rely on agencies, mostly manned by civil servants, to do their jobs. No matter the investigation Soyombo carries out on the police, the inspector general of police will still have to take the initiative and set up machineries within the police to curb extortion and bribery in police stations. I do not know how many times road blocks have been abolished in the country; yet they still keep coming back. The truth of the matter is that road blocks have their place in a society like ours. I have seen the stolen vehicle of a friend recovered by the Nigerian police at a road block here in Ibadan. It is rare but these things happen. The road blocks are not the problem; the average Nigerian police need to understand that it is simply morally wrong to collect money from people on the road. If a policeman is gifted with cash, that is another thing entirely. But to cock your gun and aim at a motorist, forcing him to part with money is armed robbery. Buhari will not do this for us; neithe will the inspector general of police. Each police station in the country must have a head that would say to his officers that cases of extortion will not happen under his/her watch. When this happen, these evil report will dwindle. I am again going back to the whole issue of Nigerian owning their problem and seeking to fix it in their own little corner.

Then there is the matter of our moral compass as a people. I would never understand how Nigerians are so incredibly religious, yet we are known around the world for all kinds of ills and evil. When people despise religion because of the way religious people behave, one cannot blame them. Some of us who have investigated the kind of religion we practice in this country, particularly the Christian religion, have discovered that the base morality that Nigerians manifest in public starts actually among the clergy. There is the need for a total overhaul of religion in this clime and there is the need for religion to begin to manifest in the way our people behave.

Finally, one other reason Fisayo investigations may not be making a difference is that it has not brought sufficient embarrassment to Nigeria. And here I blame our leaders. Sometimes one want to believe the testimony of Prof. Wole Soyinka who says that it appears Nigeria has no leadership. Apparently until something brings this country a great deal of embarrassment, no one sees the need to attend to it. If Soyombo’s report had been published in an international newspapers, maybegovernment would have done something about it. Soyomobo’s investigations are sponsored by online news portals. The recent was done by BuisnessDay. If the Punch, Vanguard, The Nation, and other leading print Medias take this report and serialize them, things will change in the country. But probably because of competition between media houses, and forgetting the advantage of a united front, they ignore each other’s works and we all continue to suffer for it.

A few days ago, Soyombo joined the reporting team of the BBC in unveiling what really happened at a blast that occurred in Lagos last year and that led to the death of a number of people. The report indicted the Nigerian National Petroleum Cooperation (NNPC) but, as usual, the matter will die a natural death. No one will talk about it until the next explosion occurs and more people die.

Why does Fisayo Soyombo continue with his investigation despite the fact that government and Nigerian behave as if they do not exist? I don’t know. But I have the feeling that this good Nigerian possess an optimism that some of us have and that has made us to continue in the shores of this country despite opportunities to flee. “Everything good will come…”, my good friend and another journalist, Edmund Obilo, will always say on his radio station. The blessing of life is that death comes. There is an old guard that is gradually being eroded from the scene by the arm of death and they are being replaced by “a new breed without greed”, like Tunde Bakare will say. These men and women, a few of them, will take position in this country and they fix will this country. Soyombo’s reports are written and they will outlast all of us. A new generation will take them and use them to bring about a better Nigerian. While this generation may do nothing with Soyombo reports, another will. Optimism is what keeps Soyombo in business; it is what keeps a few of us in this country doing what we do.

Source: https://textandpublishing.com/fisayo-soyombo-what-does-a-country-do-with-all-these-investigations/

(Note: There are links to the original investigations refereed to in this article in the source link above)

Image123:
It is just things like this that make you believe that Caesar, Aristotle and co existed. But here you are almost having an epileptic fit because a Bible name is mentioned. smh

MaxInDHouse:
Trousers is a modern day fashion, it's unisex, so it belongs to both genders!

Image123:
Really i don't know them. If i saw them today, i would not recognise them.

Image123:
Are they very important to this thread, i was thread was "closed" already though.

Image123:
Probably the name? Seriously, i don't know much about the two asides seeing the name a couple of times on NL frontpage.

Image123:
Muttley, i verily think we should give a damn about his alleged moment of succumbing to a weakness. But the obvious question is "Is there credible proof to that?" i don't see any. All i see are weak allegations, accusations, attempted blackmail, extortion and name smearing. Did Ravi Z know the woman? YES. Did Ravi Z sleep with the woman or rape the woman? NO. Did Ravi Z ever meet the woman alone? NO. We are not talking about a minor here for Christ's sake. We are talking about a fully grown separated mother, who is married to another man. A woman with a long history of accusing almost every man that crosses her path. According to her own words, not another's, she has issues with her father, her high school teacher, male managers in the workplace, a high-level physician in her community, to pious predators. She sued her own church and sued her own pastor for one million dollars. Who does that? i really do not see myself taking sides with her words against Ravi Z's words.
When i said Ravi Z is well known, i meant it in the context of his messages and life. Not really his popularity, though i think he is more popular and relevant than Haggard. A grown woman sends her pictures and blames another person, really? Then she sends a letter through her lawyer to be paid 5 million dollars. This is clear textbook blackmail. Just that she had nothing on Ravi Z than making noise. Ravi took her to court and the couple begged to settle out of court. Like i said, you don't appear to have done due diligence. If the woman has anything to tell or teach the church, she should have said it in 2016 or 2017, not all these rambling she is doing after the man's death. She signed and agreed to an NDA. The couple requested mediation instead of going to trial, and the parties reached a private settlement.

“All communication with both of them has concluded, and the legal matters have been resolved,” Same way they went to court with their pastor and church and later dropped it.

The thread seems to be about a sex scandal as it were. If you have a problem with Ravi's DR. status, i believe that is a different matter. i eternally respect Ravi Z ahead of many Professors of Theology BTW. What he has achieved in a lifetime, 10 of them cannot achieve it in 3 lifetimes. Paul was mr. chief student/graduate of theology but as blind as a bat too. So i don't really get the seriousness of the unserious atheists you guys seem to be climbing on their back for this academic/seminary talk. Anyway, that's another matter, let's talk about the sex scandal first/separately i suppose.

h t tps://youtu.be/8vTB15azb0A:
... Everyone has the right to not have their reputation unfairly tarnished so before, I made any of these allegations public, I presented them to Ravi Zacharias and his ministry and asked them to correct me if I had my facts wrong. They never did I suspect that's because they can't ....

... The lawsuit allegations come straight from Ravi's own court filings and the evidence of credential fraud is straight from Cambridge and Oxford and from Ravi's own christian colleagues, each of whom is still alive and readily available for comment.

Credentialed Media may contact me and I will share every single one of my sources with you (i.e. he is a member of the United States Press Agency (USPA) that provides all full-time and part-time journalists with the advantage of a press pass)

Here's what we know Ravi has told millions of people that he was a visiting scholar at Cambridge university. The problem is that Cambridge says he never was. Ravi quickly removed the claim from his official bio in the summer of 2015, after I told him that I had discovered it was false

Ravi claims to have been an official lecturer at Oxford teaching there once a year. He also makes this impressive claim: "... you know I lecture at Oxford university three times there. I'm a senior research fellow there although I live in Atlanta, I go to Oxford and lecture there regularly. Richard Dawkins lectures out of there ..." (i.e. name dropping, lmso)

The problem is that, Oxford says they have no record of Ravi in their database and they don't think he's ever been one of their employees. It turns out that Ravi once held an honorary position at an affiliated institution of the university, a religious training school called Wycliffe Hall but even Wycliffe Hall says that although Ravi has lectured there in the past, he has never held any formal teaching position there and we know Ravi knew he was lying about Oxford because when I told him I was investigating his credentials, he removed all Oxford references from his official bio, even before I told him I had discovered that they were false

Ravi tells us that in the 1980s he was, a department chair at a place called Alliance Theological Seminary, a fairly prestigious academic position
The problem is he never was. In the 1980s, Alliance was so tiny it had no departments.

Since the early 1980s Ravi has held, himself out as a doctor. He claims to hold several doctorate degrees and his publishers have played right along referring to him as Dr Zacharias or simply Ravi Zacharias Phd. The problem is that Ravi has never so much as enrolled in an academic graduate program much less earned a doctorate degree. He holds a bachelor's and a professional master of divinity and numerous honorary doctorates but has refused until recently to disclose at his official bio that these doctorates were merely honorary and although Ravi describes himself as a recognized authority in several academic fields there appear to be no scholarly publications by Ravi Zacharias in any field whatsoever.

The thing that makes poor Ravi fret is, he didn't foresee the internet now the big man of god's in a little lurch because he can prove you've lied, with a Google search. Ravi also tells us, that as a young man, he won an annual international preaching competition attended by folks from all across Asia and he was given the title "Asian youth preacher award". The problem is that when you google the award it does not seem to exist. Please give it a shot.

So I tracked down all three of the men Ravi says we're judges at that competition and I learned that this was no international competition at all. All three judges confirmed that the competition was for India only, which explains why this impressive award exists only in Ravi Zacharias' self-promotional materials. Ravi makes the even more impressive claim that in 1990 he studied Quantum Physics at Cambridge University under the famous physicist John Polkinghorne (i.e. a Revd Dr. English particle and theoretical mathematical physicist, theologian and Anglican priest). The problem is that it looks like he didn't. Dr Polkinghorne had actually left the Cambridge science faculty 11 years earlier to become a priest and by 1990 he wasn't teaching physics. In fact that year, he taught one class on the science theology dialogue and another one on buddhism.

Now let's move from Ravi's public deceptions to his recent online, to his credit, non-physical sex scandal. On July 31st 2017, Ravi filed a federal lawsuit against a married Canadian woman, named Lorianne Thompson aka Anne Thompson. Now as a lawyer when I evaluate this case I think that Ravi has been blackmailed but you don't get blackmailed unless you've done something bad and by his own admission Ravi has. It's not just that he admits inappropriate conduct as we have seen in paragraph 75 nor that he didn't report the relationship or the nude photos to his board right away, that he waited until after miss Thompson threatened legal action and after she accused him of using her to gratify his own sexual desires and it's not just that he didn't even try very hard to terminate contact with Lorianne after the sexy photos started coming in, that's all kind of unflattering but the really explosive stuff is found in a highly confidential legal letter to Ravi where Lorianne's lawyer states that when she wished to confess the relationship to her husband, Ravi sent her an email threatening suicide. Attorney Mark Bryant told Ravi that he has a copy of that suicide email in his file and we have to wonder why would he bluff Ravi about something Ravi did not do and although Ravi denies many things in his court filing he did not deny making that written suicide threat. This is explosive stuff that the christian media (i.e. including my dear brother Image123, I would interject here, lmso) has avoided like a potato straight out of hell.

Incidentally Ravi settled his lawsuit last week on November 9th, 2017, so we may never know what exactly happened between Ravi and Lorianne. I urge you, especially if you are a christian who has donated money to Ravi, to contact him and ask him how much he paid Lorianne for her silence and did that money come from your donations. After all did you really want your hard-earned money converted into 30 pieces of silver and while you're at it, please ask Mr Zacharias to publicly comment on what sure, seems to be compelling evidence of systematic credential fraud. He can ignore you of course, but at some point we're entitled to conclude that this charming gentleman has a lot of stuff in his closet that he does not want us to know about. Where do Ravi's colleagues in ministry stand on all this?

The apostle Paul warns followers of Christ not to so much as have lunch with unrepentant fellow christians (i.e. 1 Corinthians 5:11) but over at Ravi's self-named ministries, these people reap the benefits of being in business with a morally challenged but very successful evangelist they get the stage, the limelight, the prestige of being part of a vibrant international organization. Will these self-proclaimed followers of Jesus heed their Lord's command to speak truth to power, or will they continue to lick the hand that feeds them?
Word is out, that Ravi Zacharias' life's work has been based on false pretenses and unless the blood of Christ can really tame entrenched ego and insecurity, his greatest legacy will be, as yet, another christian leader who deep down did not believe his own religion

Shellnutt, Kate; Zylstra, Sarah Eekhoff (3 December 2017).
"Ravi Zacharias Responds to Sexting Allegations, Credentials Critique".
News & Reporting. Christianity Today. Retrieved 24 February 2018:.

Use of Doctor title
In 2017, Christianity Today reported accusations that Zacharias had exaggerated his academic credentials; for instance that he had referred to himself in multiple articles and videos with the title "Doctor" or "Dr.", despite lacking a PhD qualification. In response, Zacharias said he had been "conferred ten honorary doctorates" and said further that "in Ravi's homeland of India … honorific titles are customary and are used frequently out of respect for elders, including by the RZIM India team when addressing Ravi." The veracity of Zacharias's purported academic positions at the universities of Oxford and Cambridge was also questioned.

In a statement, RZIM indicated that "[in] earlier years, 'Dr' did appear before Ravi's name in some of our materials, including on our website, which is an appropriate and acceptable practice with honorary doctorates. However, because this practice can be contentious in certain circles, we no longer use it."

Christianity Today reported that Zacharias' online biography was edited following the accusations regarding his credentials.

genkins:
Pastor Paul Enenche of Dunamis has released an advise to all about how to take on elders in the church when they are wrong.

This message sure appears to be directed to the likes of daddyfreeze and various social media critics of the doctrines of the pentecostal churches and a times the person of elderly pastors

Watch below

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petra1:
[s]Great message. Just as we tell them folks here often . There are biblical approach to issues. Not acting as REBELS In Gods household[/s]

MaxInDHouse:
Just make your presentation, play your own part and leave the part of readers/followers!

Acehart:
What presentation? Does one play music for the deaf?

MaxInDHouse:
Preaching and teaching is not expected to be done on faceless social media, that's why you're here to make presentations only, interested readers will call back by quoting you if you've said something that touches their soul. So if you're not getting any favourable response know that you're not making any sense at all!

Emary:
There has always been poverty and it will always exist. Women have also done a lot of so called men's work over the centuries. A lot of women have not only gone to war, tilled farms, fended for their families jwhen their husbands were dead, incapitated or away but lead battles over the centuries in all the continents. You can interpret the bible verse as you please but there is no reference to trousers as male garments in any scripture at all. If you consider trousers unholy for women, men should also not wear tunics or kaftans which are gowns. God did not design clothing. Man (both sexes) did that to cover his shame after eating the forbidden fruit.

Emary:
The first recorded reports of trousers were made by sixth century BC Greek geographers. They noted the appearance of Persian, Eastern and Central Asian horse riders. The comfort they provided from extended periods on horseback made trousers a practical choice.

Images of male and female horse riders wearing trousers can be found on ancient ceramics. You can see an example of this on the vase to the left, depicting an Amazon woman. - A brief history of trousers.

missimelda01:
Any woman that wears a man's trouser is maybe insane

There are trousers meant for women only
Don't confuse yourself brethren, stop trying to be an assistant Jesus. I come in peace

Emary:
It is very simple. Trousers were designed for comfort during horseback riding, right? For centuries, mostly men went to war while women stayed at home nuturing their offspring so women preferred to wear feminine flowing clothing. Today, both men and women go to war and horses are hardly used as means of transport. Women are however far more active and mobile than before moving long distance to work then come back home to do other activities, They will require clothing that makes them move freely with comfort. Trousers do that.

For me, as long as trousers are not too form fitting (this applies all clothing) and a woman cannot be mistaken for a man and vice versa, there is nothing wrong with them. Let every man work out his own salvation.

OrdinaryPeeps:
So, is it proper for ladies to wear trousers?

Janosky:
[s]Aceheart, Jesus Christ never taught your FALSE gospel you are passing off on this thread.
Did Jesus Christ tell you Eunuchs are into homosexual practices or get married to a fellow man?[/s]

Janosky:
MuttleyLaff was lambasted on NL for his tacit support of homosexuality, now he is LYING AGAINST Romans 1:26-28.

Bros, you fit give the devil tutorials

CC:
Acehart: Bros, see the Screenshots of the Muttley homo fan Spirit filled NONSENSE

Acehart:
Hi. Hope you had a very great day and having a nice evening?

Do know what? I have not wrapped my mind concerning the homosexuality topic. Regarding Muttleylaff’s opinion, I don’t know what they are - I did not follow that topic. But I’ll like to cast my gaze on Matthew 19:12, in the hopes that may find a string that ties homosexuality to the text.

1. Some are born eunuchs.
2. Some were made eunuchs.
3. Some people make themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom.

Earlier, Jesus’ narrative centered on marriage; he went on to set a higher standard regarding marriage and divorce than that enacted in the Ordinance of Moses; and refuting the edicts set by the rabbinical schools of those days. Only those given to stomach the law of God, ab initio, would heed his words. Summarily, this is Jesus’ definition of marriage: marriage is for a man and woman; they must be faithful, loving and easily overlook offenses - a bond never to be broken.

That discourse centered on marriage until Christ spoke of those who could stomach his saying. Why? Marriage is sexual in nature. Of course, a male eunuch wouldn’t venture into marriage except we have something similar to the tale of Missandei and Grey Worm. But was Jesus referring to a eunuch in the heart, rather than of the body? If this is the former, then the eunuch set number three would fit the bill.

Many men who divorce their wives (for any reason at all v.3) do so because of sexual lust. If a man’s heart was circumcised or castrated, he would not find pleasure in sexual lusts. Therefore, sticking with one wife would be easy.

So how does this relate to homosexuality? Homosexuality is chiefly about sexual preference rather than marriage. Research shows that the sexual desire of an average homosexual is far greater than that of heterosexuals: homosexuals can have as many as ten (or more) sexual encounters in a day. Promiscuity is the hallmark of homosexual relationships.

Acehart:
When same sex marriages are scrutinized, fidelity doesn’t exist in all of them.

Acehart:
Therefore, according to Jesus’ definition, marriage and homosexuality (same sex) should not be put in the same sentence.

Acehart:
If Muttleylaff supported homosexuality ...

Acehart:
I’m sure he is man of reasoning and good reasoning would overturn his position. Try to talk him out of his present inclination in love and kindness.

Acehart:
I tell you this: I enjoy reading your comments - they are amazing.

If I was thumping my chest, it wasn’t intended to portray me as something because I see myself as nothing. It wasn’t my intention to insult you, though it may seem like I did; but I did respond to someone whose mental capacity I esteem greatly; one who would see beyond the gravity of my words to see the intention of my heart through the power of the Holy Spirit that dwells in him.

When someone mentions your moniker, you have the power within you to be silent, pretending that it isn’t you. Silence, at the right time, is louder than noise. It is sad many people, ignorantly, think you (i.e. MuttleyLaff) support homosexuality; you are a “context-centric” man, I’ve got to know that; many people don’t and may never understand that context is key in understanding the scriptures.

German and Non-German Bibles will give you the true reflection of God’s heart when He gave those commands; only those who swim in the deep end enjoy the pool; those who swim in the shallow end, well, would do so only to enjoy the company of strangers rather than the pool - this is the case with your antagonists. I knew what those verses in Leviticus meant years ago; and they are closely related to the instructions where a man was commanded not to wear women’s clothing and vice-versa.

It would have been nice to know your understanding of those verses; personally, events have made me not enjoy the company of my friends, when we gather to study the scriptures; and an online fellowship is all we have for now - a means through which I thought you would edify me.

Please forgive me if I grieved you

VBCampaign:
I endorse this 100%. I no longer have energies for publishing long debates on Nairaland. This position has stated my thoughts clearly... I'll like to add though:

Image123:
My good friends, we are not speaking of an unknown person here. This is Ravi Zacharias RIP . We have the Spirit of God to discern some things and even asides that there is commonsense and experience.
Ravi Zacharias is a well known personality, known by the highest and the lowest. His messages and ministry are there for us all to see. What he preached and emphasized. Anne Thompson is not too known, but at least we have what she affirms and says of herself. It's there online on her blogs and social media handles for anyone who cares.

Why would commonsense and experience make one support Ravi Z? One, the devil is the accuser of the brethren.
Rev_12:10  And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

It is the devil's stock in trade and that is what his agents also do. They accuse people. From what i know about Ravi Z, i consider him BRETHREN and of course trust what he says, because that is what i do to brethren.

As for Anne Thompson, the accuser. She is clearly from a very troubled background and her accusations are very suspect given her pedigree. Lori Anne Thompson says of herself "the final child of my mother, who birthed four children by three different men. My father was an alcoholic, sadistic pedophile." That is her background. She goes on to say "My personhood and personality were formed in the context of severe physical, emotional, sexual, psychological abuse and utter neglect. My father remarried a woman who knew about his molestation of my sisters and I".

She goes on to accuse almost every man on her path. Her high school teacher, male managers in the workplace, a high-level physician in our community, to pious predators etc. She has history.

As i said earlier, she and her husband once demanded about $1million from her former pastor. She sued her pastor and church. According to the story, she/her husband lost about 350,000 dollars due to the pastor and their financial investment. i would think if one loses 350,000 dollars, he would ask for compensation of 350,000 dollars. But no, they sued their church and their pastor for 1million dollars. The case was later dropped and the pastor was reinstated. So you can imagine the scene. They are still bitter at the pastor and church.

Now, if someone is raped by a man of God. Which is far greater than her claims BTW. i would think that such a one would want to genuinely warn everyone about this man of God, or at least settle it in-house where the man of God is accountable for.

1Co 6:1  Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints?

i believe that is the christian stand OR one of forgiveness. But what does this woman and her husband do instead? She sends a demand through a lawyer for $5million dollars for settlement so that she will not talk. Is that blackmail, is that extortion? A big YES. What happens next is that the accused goes to court after legal counsel. Then the lady and husband ask for out of court settlement and they get NDA. Now that the man is dead, she is making noise again.

Sorry i don't side with atheists and such kind of families. Many atheists are very vocal about this because Ravi Z did them real shege. It's surprising that you too also join the bandwagon without due diligence.

OkCornel:
Awww, Donnie aka eplanning is playing the Ostrich to DNA evidence on ancient Hebrews buried in Israel

nsiba, muttleylaff, please take note

MuttleyLaff:
I put this question to you donnie and whats that your alter ego other NL ID again, is there in Revelation 1:14, a mention of afro or kinky hair, a mention of hairs, having kinks or twisting like African black-shinned people group hair does?

Blabbermouth:
[s]You placed sentiments and warped reasoning before undiluted scriptural truths.
1/ You still cannot explain how God's spoken words created a physical universe
2/ How the same person (as you claimed) have different will (in the same setting and condition)
3/ Why Jesus' will was not done
4/ You are trying to hard to twist Romans 9 (that's so JW of you)[/s]

Blabbermouth:
MuttleyLaff will rather twist God's word than admit that Everyone does not have absolute freewill.
Check Romans 9, Paul brought up the account again and explained the purpose for which God hardened Pharaoh's heart. Preemptively, he asked a question he was sure the people will want to ask him, "Will you ask me, why does He (God) then find fault? For who hath resisted his will (who can Go against his orchestration)?" (Romans 9:19)
I tendered all these to MuttleyLaff and all He could say was "Romans 9 was all about God's power bla bla bla"...
Romans 9 shot the belief in " absolute free will dead"!

Blabbermouth:
How can the same person have different will? Can a line be straight and curved at the same time?
MuttleyLaff claimed Jesus is God (perhaps God 2). However in a twist of event, God 2 wanted (willed) something different from God 1. God 1 (willed) something different from God 2.
What makes a person a person? If blabbermouth were to be cloned (100%) into 3,000 persons, the whole 3,000 will have the same will!

Blabbermouth:
Trinity will be MuttleyLaff's stumbling block. (He did not/could not attend to my question in that other thread. My brotherly advice will be for him to back down here, if he forces it, well...)

Blabbermouth:
[s]This happens to be the first time your long write up made no single sense.
You can always reply whenever you are relaxed and very free, there is no point to hold here.[/s]