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Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Really Know The Future? by MuttleyLaff: 5:14am On Sep 19, 2020

I did warn everyone about the bug, that in order not to get your post hidden and your posting privileges withdrawn, as happened to shadeyinka and others above, just post your comment, and do so, without repeating anyone's previous quote to capture their comment. Dont quote the post, simply just write out the poster name & his/her comments yourself. Don't outright quote, whom you're responding to. It will save your post from being auto-hidden, from withdrawing certain privileges and rewarding you with an ignominious posting ban.

Looks, like Haylel has learnt the hard way, how to use the workaround to quote a poster's comment without having your post hidden plus without getting a ban on top

cc: Blabbermouth

Christianity Etc › Re: Is The Watchtower Gaslighting Jehovah’s Witnesses? by MuttleyLaff: 4:49am On Sep 19, 2020

Janosky:
Bros, Continue to mock yourself and follow the ways of your wayward heart.
Ecclesiastes 11:9-10.

Image123:
One thing i doff my hat for the JWs is the zealous nature to quote scriptures without any relevance to the subject matter. They perhaps use it to feel good like village illiterates out to impress their sponsor for a scholarship. Rejoice mr.

Ecclesiastes 11:9 Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth, and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes: but know thou, that for all these things God will bring thee into judgment. 11:10 Therefore remove sorrow from thy heart, and put away evil from thy flesh: for childhood and youth are vanity.

The zealous nature to quote scriptures without any relevance to the subject matter, is called proof-texting, if its not that, then it will be the perfecting art of contextomy and the regular JW membership registration forms sales pitch throw ins.

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Celebrities › Re: Phyno: "Hope He's Not Into Drug" - Fans React To Rapper's New Picture by MuttleyLaff: 3:48am On Sep 19, 2020

donnie:
The most annoying are those who said he looks like Jesus because he has oyinbo hair. IDIOTS.
Was MESSIAH not described as having wooly/afro hair in Revelation 1:14 ?

MuttleyLaff see your people.

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Revelation 1:14

Revelation 1:14 Interlinear:
and His head and hairs white, as if white wool -- as snow, and his eyes as a flame of fire;
(i.e. no mention of afro or kinky hair, no mention of hairs, having kinks or twisting like African black-shinned people group hair does)

Parallel Strong's:
Holman Christian Standard Bible
"His head and hair were white like wool
(i.e. no mention of afro or kinky hair, no mention of hairs, having kinks or twisting like African black-shinned people group hair does)
— and His eyes like a fiery flame"

New American Standard Bible
"His head and hair were white like wool, like snow;
(i.e. no mention of afro or kinky hair, no mention of hairs, having kinks or twisting like African black-shinned people group hair does)
and His eyes were like a flame of fire."

King James Bible
"His head and [His] hairs [were] white like wool, as white as snow;
(i.e. no mention of afro or kinky hair, no mention of hairs, having kinks or twisting like African black-shinned people group hair does)
and His eyes [were] as a flame of fire;"

Parallel Verses
International Standard Version
"His head and hair were white like wool, in fact, as white as snow.
(i.e. no mention of afro or kinky hair, no mention of hairs, having kinks or twisting like African black-shinned people group hair does)
His eyes were like flames of fire,"

American Standard Version
"And His head and His hair were white as white wool, white as snow;
(i.e. no mention of afro or kinky hair, no mention of hairs, having kinks or twisting like African black-shinned people group hair does)
and His eyes were as a flame of fire;"

Young's Literal Translation
"and His head and hairs white, as if white wool -- as snow,
(i.e. no mention of afro or kinky hair, no mention of hairs, having kinks or twisting like African black-shinned people group hair does)
and His eyes as a flame of fire;"

The word "like" means similar or nearly the same, so Revelation 1:14, reveals that Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ' head and hairs, were similar or nearly the same as the white wool pictures seen above and not no afro or kinky hair, no hair having kinks, turning, curving or twisting like African black-shinned people group hair does is ever suggested, but you donnie, ignore the head and for reason best known to you, conveniently centred, focused and zeroed on only to the hair alone, leaving out the head that was mentioned in the verse. Why? Revelation 1:14

The alternative word "as" seen in Revelation 1:14 describing Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesu Christ' head and hairs, is used in comparisons to refer to how to the same degree or amount, Jesu Christ' head and hairs is just the same as the white wool pictures you see above. No afro or kinky hair, no hair having kinks, turning, curving or twisting like African black-shinned people group hair does is ever suggested or indirectly called attention to in that Revelation 1:14.

You just like taking panadull for another man's headache. The most annoying is you calling people, idiots, claiming they said Phyno looks like Jesus because he has oyinbo hair, when not one single poster used "Jesus and oyinbo hair" together in their comment about Phyno's look or appearance in the picture. He was referenced by a commenter, to look like Jidenna Theodore Mobisson, mononymously known as Jidenna, the Nigerian-American rapper, singer, songwriter and record producer, another said he looked like Jesus or trying to play Jesus role in a movie and while another commenter pointed out the resemblance of Phyno to looking like low budget Jesus Christ.

I would rather someone say I look like Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, we are according to to look and be like Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, than to look like the devil aka satan or look dark, suggestive of evil, sinister, suggestion of little light, no light or absence of light

Was MESSIAH described as having wooly/afro hair in Revelation 1:14? Capital NO, the MESSIAH was not described as having wooly afro hair in Revelation 1:14. Stop typing as if like some goofy air head, high on weed.

Christianity Etc › Re: Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani: Messiah Spoke Bantu Language by MuttleyLaff: 6:02pm On Sep 18, 2020

MuttleyLaff:
I guess, the time is here, now is one of the time, I'll like to break and eat bread with you, lol

Brother donnie, to start with:
1/ What language did Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus, the Messiah, the Anointed or Christ, depending on what is your preference, spoke?
2/ What language did the disciples and even the inner caucus disciples conversed, deliberated with our Lord and Saviour of the whole wide world earth?
3/ What language is the spoken "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani" (i.e. Mark 15:34) and really "Eli, Eli, lama, sabachthani" (i.e. Matthew 27:46) done in?
4/ What to your understanding is the Matthew 27:46 & Mark 15:34 - "Eli Eli _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _" (I've deliberately blanked out, so to talk more and/or indepth on it, later)
5/ What is the meaning of "lama" and "sabachthani" in Bakor (Bantu), Aramaic and Mishnaic Hebrew?
6/ Why did Yahshua Ha Mashiach utter "Eloi, Eloi/Eli, Eli, lama, sabachthani" on the cross at Calvary?
7/ To whose benefit did Yahshua Ha Mashiach utter out "Eloi, Eloi/Eli, Eli, lama, sabachthani" on the cross at Calvary?
8/ I watched that "40+ Bantu Names in the Scriptures" YouTube clip, you didnt explain that Simon means reed and Peter or Cephas in Greek means rock.

"Then he took Simon to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said,
"Your name is Simon son of John, but you will be called Cephas."
(This is the same as Peter and means ''a rock.'')'
- John 1:42

Peter's old and/or original/former name, was Simon, which means reed, this to the fact that, he practically, was a wavering person by nature, who just like a river water reed, tall, grass-like plants of wetlands, goes/flows in whatever direction the wind blows it. Anyway, Yahshua Ha Mashiach, renamed him to Peter, signifying a transformation to become resolute and rock steady, lol. You stopped short of acknowledging any of these information/knowledge

There is more to talk about and over this interesting topic "Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani: Messiah Spoke Bantu Language" and I am holding back, amd not asking further grilling questions, just so you dont get to want to withdraw into a shell or bend down to bury head in sand.

Donnie, I hope you dont take me as an intrusion or as something of a negative nature. There is a colloquial in the Western part of the country, that says "orukọ, ma nro niyan" loosely translated means "Names and/or naming, have negative or postive propulsion on the bearer" People say how can God leave Adam alone in a garden with an unprotected "dangerous" but forget Adam wasnt a baby and that Adam had the singular privilege to name animals and so have the responsibility to give them genera/genuses and species names.

Each time God is asked what is your name. He conceals what it is and/or avoids telling except for saying "I AM that I AM". So the tetragrammaton, which is YHWH, is the closest we have of what God's no doubt Omnipotent powerful name is. Why is God not trusting us to know what specifically His Name is. Donnie, please c'mon nah, dont try to push YHW/Yah/Yahweh/Jehovah/YAHUAH,. Even Abba, that was mentioned in that YouTube clip, is a mere endearment word, a sweet nothings, affectionate name like "sweet potato, dahling, dear, my tomato, sugar plum, babe, baby, black coffee, queen, ayaba, olori, mami, big poppa, lollipop" etcetera. I think you feel me and do get my drift.

What's the point I am making here, trying to do it in a very careful and/or gently manner is that you're seem to understand the thread's heading and its subject matter not thoroughly and/or deeply enough which has led you to treat it in way that's feeble, light and lacking depth.

Lets Nike this. Lets Just Do It. Flesh this baby out. Blow it wide open and put the devil to shame, lol. Are you on. Are you game, lol. Afterall iron sharpens iron mehn, lol.

donnie:
I dey come

donnie:
6 & 7 are answered in my response to question 4.

6/ Why did Yahshua Ha Mashiach utter "Eloi, Eloi/Eli, Eli, lama, sabachthani" on the cross at Calvary?
7/ To whose benefit did Yahshua Ha Mashiach utter out "Eloi, Eloi/Eli, Eli, lama, sabachthani" on the cross at Calvary?

You did not give any answers to 6 & 7 above, your response was to signpost me to a prooftexted verse and a vague answer to question 4 as your answer to questions #6 & #7, while you earlier, made a shameful attempt to equate the meaning of " ... sabachthani" to be, mean and stand for sabbaths. Smh.

Nothing spoilt, just read on

MuttleyLaff:
The thing is "Eli Eli lama sabachthani" is Aramaic
Watch this, most people' last words are very profound, and Jesus' is no exception to this.
Jesus as a dying man, hung on a cross, uttered seven famous dying last words

1) Luke 23:34 - Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they do.
2) Luke 23:43 - Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise.
3) John 19:26-27 - Woman, behold your son. Son Behold your mother.
4) Matthew 27:46 & Mark 15:34 - My God, My God, (this bit I've blanked out, to reveal more on it, later)
5) John 19:28 - I thirst.
6) John 19:30 - It is finished (or "It is accomplished'')
7) Luke 23:46 - Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.

The first of the last four words, (i.e. famous words #4)
were said, for the benefit of the disciples, which is why it was spoken in Aramaic (e.g. "Eli, Eli, lama, sabachthani'')
It wasnt spoken in an unknown tongue, it for crying out loud, was spoken in Aramaic.

Jesus, for the benefit of the disciples, uttered in Aramaic the purpose of His mission/assignment
(i.e. the reason all those things were happening, the reason why He was created or the reason why He came to exist)
He then, after declaring that the purpose (i.e. the process for salvation) is finished or accomplished,
excused Himself with the "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit" last word

Jesus chose His word very carefully and didnt speak impetuously when He used "Eli, Eli, lama, sabachthani"
Jesus, actually was paraphrasing, the beginning of Psalm 22 (i.e. Psalm 22:1),
just like He paraphrased the end of Psalm 22 (i.e Psalm 22:31)

MuttleyLaff:
The bible says Jesus came to die.
Not to have a woman, not to have a thing for men.

God gave Jesus to die for our sins, period.

Jesus, confirmed this, at the ninth hour, on the cross at Golgotha, the skull-shaped hill in Jerusalem, when He said "Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani"

"Eli Eli Lama Sabachthani" when correctly translated, means:
"My God, My God, this is why You kept me"
or "My God, My God, this is My destiny" (i.e. I was born to do this)
or "My God, My God, this is what You permitted"
or "My God, My God, this is what You allowed"

Christianity Etc › Re: Must A Rich Man Give All He Has If He Wants To Follow Christ? by MuttleyLaff: 6:01pm On Sep 18, 2020

onenaija001:
Hi guys, I am still curious about what Christ told the young rich man about selling all he has and giving to the poor in Matthew 19:16-30, Mark 10:17-31, and Luke 18:18-30?
I brought this up because some Churches always bring these bible passages up, while others say Christ is not poor so Christians are not supposed to be poor.

Lalasticlala

Bible 101, is that you surprisingly as soon as you become a believer, means you've signed up for willing to go anywhere, do anything and give up everything in order to achieve the goal of the Gospel and will of God, by any means lawfully necessary.

Matthew 19:16-30, Mark 10:17-31 and Luke 18:18-30 was not a teaching for the body of Christ per se, but it was for a self-satisfied, smug and self-congratulatory, puffed-up, self-approving, pleased with himself, I am-all-right-Jack rich young man and ruler because Yahshua Ha Mashiach, aka Jesus Christ, had a good insight, x-ray and clinical understanding of the deepest working of the rich young man and ruler's heart. He knew the rich young man and ruler, would willing give everything up except for his riches, wealth and worldly possessions, so after the rich young man and ruler was done with his elaborate posturing and grandstanding, Yahshua Ha Mashiach, aka Jesus Christ, put it to him, that he needs to give up his doted riches, wealth and worldly possessions in order to have treasure in heaven and then step forward, to follow Him.

The real lesson in that narrative isn't really about "riches, wealth and worldly possessions", but it is about self-righteousness and hypocrisy. In the rich young man and ruler's eyes, thinks he is perfect, thinks he ticks all boxes correctly, thinks he is complete, thinks he is in the same league of the best thing since sliced bread et cetera, but penetratingly far-seeing zoomed down and zeroed in to the very thing that has a vice grip hold on the rich young man and ruler. His riches, wealth and worldly possessions, he can never let go for anyone, not even for a kingdom's sake. He is impressed by his money, riches, worldly possession and his social status as a ruler, but not impressed by how the poor can be taken care of. The rich young man and ruler, passed every thing except having a duty to promote the welfare of the poor.

onenaija001:
... I brought this up because some Churches always bring these bible passages up, while others say Christ is not poor so Christians are not supposed to be poor.

Lalasticlala

"Judas did not say this because he cared about the poor, but because he was a thief.
As keeper of the money bag, he used to take from what was put into it."
- John 12:6

"Since Judas was their treasurer,
some thought Jesus was telling him to go and pay for the food
or to give some money to the poor"
- John 13:29

Churches who always bring these bible passages up are biblically undereducated and are suffering from chronic truth decay, from not regularly brushing with the Bible

If Yahshua Ha Mashiach, aka Jesus Christ, really was poor, do you think, while dying of the cross of Calvary, why would the Roman guards be throwing dice to see who will win collecting and having Yahshua Ha Mashiach, aka Jesus Christ' clothes.

If Yahshua Ha Mashiach, aka Jesus Christ, was poor, how come Him and the disciples, had a money bag that Judas, as treasurer, was in charge?

Christianity Etc › Re: Does God Really Know The Future? by MuttleyLaff: 3:15pm On Sep 18, 2020

shadeyinka, and even others, in order not to get your post hidden and your posting privileges withdrawn, as happened to shadeyinka above, just post your comment, and do so, without repeating anyone's previous quote to capture their comment. Dont quote the post, simply just write out the poster name & his/her comments yourself. Don't outright quote, whom you're responding to. It will save your post from being auto-hidden, from withdrawing certain privileges and rewarding you with an ignominious posting ban

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MuttleyLaff: 7:11am On Sep 18, 2020

frank317, and even Karanka, in order not to get your post hidden and your posting privileges withdrawn, as happened to you above, just post your comment, and do so, without repeating anyone's previous quote to capture their comment. Dont quote the post, simply just write out the poster name & his/her comments yourself. Don't outright quote, whom you're responding to. It will save your post from being auto-hidden, from withdrawing certain privileges and rewarding you with an ignominious posting ban

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MuttleyLaff: 6:43am On Sep 18, 2020*

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Now, here's the question Karanka:
If you blessed, as if just like Bezalel in Exodus 31:1-11 above, but this time around, with the creative idea of how to produce, say something like a coin, as in the picture displayed above seen, please tell:
1/ How would you produce the first product and what will it be called?
2/ Then secondly, how would you plan to go about reproducing this your same first product, with same quality, same distinct marks, over and over and over again, so you have a successful inventory, you are able to distribute, replenish and overwhelm the world with?

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MuttleyLaff: 4:06am On Sep 18, 2020

Karanka:
Sir, I read through your response and I honestly couldn't find any logical reason why satan is still free and roaming about causing havoc on earth.

How exactly has Satan personally caused havoc on earth in your life?

Karanka:
It was something that had to do with God, Adam, Eve and satan, why involve the rest of humans?

Karanta, if somehow you manage to give the correct answer to this question, then you'll understand the angle why the rest of humans are involved my sweet dear loveable and reasonable friend.

"¹Then the LORD said to Moses,
²“Look, I have specifically chosen Bezalel son of Uri, grandson of Hur, of the tribe of Judah.
³I have filled him with the Spirit of God, giving him great wisdom, ability, and expertise in all kinds of crafts.
⁴He is a master craftsman, expert in working with gold, silver, and bronze.
⁵He is skilled in engraving and mounting gemstones and in carving wood. He is a master at every craft!
⁶“And I have personally appointed Oholiab son of Ahisamach, of the tribe of Dan, to be his assistant.
Moreover, I have given special skill to all the gifted craftsmen
so they can make all the things I have commanded you to make:
⁷the Tabernacle; the Ark of the Covenant; the Ark’s cover
—the place of atonement; all the furnishings of the Tabernacle;
⁸the table and its utensils; the pure gold lampstand with all its accessories; the incense altar;
⁹the altar of burnt offering with all its utensils; the washbasin with its stand;
¹⁰the beautifully stitched garments
—the sacred garments for Aaron the priest,
and the garments for his sons to wear as they minister as priests;
¹¹the anointing oil; the fragrant incense for the Holy Place.
The craftsmen must make everything as I have commanded you.”"
- Exodus 31:1-11

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Now, here's the question Karanka:
If you blessed, as if just like Bezalel in Exodus 31:1-11 above, but this time around, with the creative idea of how to produce, say something like a coin, as in the picture displayed above seen, please tell:
1/ How would you produce the first product and what will it be called?
2/ Then secondly, how would you plan to go about reproducing this your same first product, with same quality, same distinct marks, over and over and over again, so you have a successful inventory, you are able to distribute, replenish and overwhelm the world with?

Karanka:
Why not use the live of Adam and Eve and prove that man cannot rule himself?

Is that what exactly is panning before our eyes ni?

Karanka:
Why involve generations upon generations of people to suffer for what didn't directly involve them?

"When the foundations [of life] are undermined, what can a righteous person do?"
- Psalm 11:3

A&E, ignoring God's warning, with a stubborn and determined intention to do as one wants, regardless of the consequences, involved generations upon generations of people to suffer for what didn't directly involve them

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MuttleyLaff: 2:41am On Sep 18, 2020*

Test to see if like has happened to Blabbermouth immediately above, whether this post will be hidden and if I'll be blocked from posting too

PS: In order not to get your post hidden and your posting privileges withdrawn, just post your comment, and do so, without repeating anyone's previous quote to capture their comment. Dont quote the post, simply just write out the poster name & his/her comments yourself. Don't outright quote, whom you're responding to. It will save your post from being auto-hidden, from withdrawing certain privileges and rewarding you with an ignominious posting ban
cc: Acehart, Maximus69 - I've cc'ed you guys along with this about Blabbermouth, as I know youse also have fallen victim to this

Politics › Re: FG Asks All Account Holders In Financial Institutions To Re-Register Despite BVN by MuttleyLaff: 12:04am On Sep 18, 2020

olatade:
The Federal Government of Nigeria has directed Nigerians with accounts in any financial institutions to obtain, complete and submit Self – Certification Forms to their respective financial institutions.

The financial institutions comprise of banks, insurance companies and others.

The forms, according to a tweet thread from the verified account of the Government of Nigeria explained that the forms are required by the relevant financial institutions to carry out due diligence procedures in line with the Income Tax Regulations 2019.

h t tps://www.vanguardngr.com/2020/09/fg-directs-all-account-holders-in-financial-institutions-to-re-register-despite-bnv/

coolcharm:
The Egyptians and Taxmasters are here.

An irresponsible and insensitive government.

They can keep the schools locked down but want to force everyone to go to the Banks.

In less than 1 week:

Fuel price... Boom!

Electricity tarrif... Boom!!

Then this!

Yet minimum wage is below 25k in most states.

Where are all the 4+4 and sai Baba people?

Well... We are all in this together

One Man saw through it all.

"The choice before Nigerians in the coming elections is simple: A choice between going forward or going backwards; between the new ways and the old ways; between freedom and repression; between a record of visible achievements and beneficial reforms-and desperate power-seekers with empty promises."

~ Goodluck Jonathan, 19th February, 2015.

kokomilala:
Nigeria is trapped within the claustrophobia of collapse. Whether it will come out of it, I'm not positive about it at all..

psucc:
Tàx things.

But this government is truly bereft of ideas. Revenue are raised by expanding the tax base/net and not stifling businesses. How many businesses would have sprung up should government has generated and distributed steady power, expand road infrastructure, encourage local production, enhance education, etc.

But all they are after is who drives Benz.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bEE1QbOvDQ

You can, if you want to, skip to mark 02:05 minute mark to listen to Dr. Mahamudu Bawumia, Vice President of the Republic of Ghana's speech

02:06 ... let me tell
02:09 you what this Vice President of Ghana
02:14 presented
02:15 he's a bomb that is what I call
02:19development. Listen to him ladies and
02:23 gentlemen ...

There is a Joseph de Maistre saying that goes like this: "Every nation gets the government it deserves" meaning that a nation gets the leaders and/or government it's deserves

People ... dont want to acknowledge that the evil government, is a reflection of the community, village, town, city, society, country, a reflection of US!

GlassDoc:
Not all Nigerians are in love with their oppressors... Some just need the kind of "push" that a Sowore promises. There is nothing to love about the present crop of leaders/rulers in Nigeria.

MuttleyLaff:
"There is nothing that comes from above, that the earth cannot take. All these tactics, that there are hidden games, you dont know about and cant fight, are successfully being used to emasculate and undermine the aspirations of any with visions of seeing or working for, a better Nigeria, on its feet and at full potential

... the journey of a thousand miles began with the first step of educating all the people in Nigeria who are entitled to vote in the election and/or sensitising PVC carrying voters that they have no business of choosing between the devil and the deep blue sea.

Youths can make can make a difference of the outcome of the 2019 February 16th election because more than 60% of Nigeria's population are aged below 25. With political fortitude and if no compromises, the right candidate with clear cut and spelled out digital ideas of how to transform the the country, alleviate poverty, turn the country into a construction site thereby give rise to mass employment, tackle the epileptic power supply problem with 21st century innovative solution etcetera will win but then, if people prefer another 4 years of between the devil and the deep blue sea, well, what more I can say than just, as you lay your bed ...

Who has bewitched us Nigeria?
The elitists and the corruptible biased media outlets who are all indifferent to the hardship, throngs of sufferring, woes and the unfortunate conditions of the common man, have seared their conscience and sold the country and its citizenry down the river.

Nigeria is at a crossroads, at an opportunity watershed moment, where and when we can take our destiny into our own hands, but the youths that ought to know better, the youths that should see visions, arent seeing nada, but, for crumbs on the table and floor, they have camped tent with the elitists and corruptible elements shafting the whole nation. They are pitching tents with those who once they get in power again, will turn blind eyes to acts of stealing the country blind"
- Politics / Re: Ogboru The APC Governorship Candidate Buhari Called 'APC Presidential Candidate' by MuttleyLaff: 7:17am On Jan 18

As you lay your bed, lie in it. I didnt finish my sentence in the above red inverted commas with the "lie in it" last three words before, I have now. Enjoy the change. Mtcheew.

Check my Nairaland Profile portal. Free Sowore now!

MuttleyLaff:
Open\business, prove me wrong in 2023, that there is nothing to love about the present crop of leaders/rulers in Nigeria

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MuttleyLaff: 5:20am On Sep 17, 2020

Blabbermouth:
I didn't speak of my own, God (The Highest force) said "I will harden Pharaoh".

I have never once said you spoke of your own that God (The Highest force) said "I will harden Pharaoh[/I]". AllI asked you was to explain in no uncertain terms, how God (The Highest force) hardened Pharaoh's heart, thats all simply, lmso.

Blabbermouth:
How was Pharaoh hardened? Yeye question.
If you really know how God harden Pharaoh's heart, if you really do understand well enough how God hardened Pharaoh's heart, then you will have no problem breaking it down in to simple, easy to digest information and it wouldn't at all be an yeye question

Blabbermouth:
It's like asking "How did God's spoken word created a physical universe?"...
If you can
1. Tell me the numerous ways God hardens a man's heart, I will be glad to tell you how Pharaoh was hardened.
I will gladly tell you, the way and manner how God Harden Pharaoh's heart, only on the one condition of, after you've first told your version

Blabbermouth:
OR /AND
2. Tell me how God's spoken word created a physical universe.
"[i]so shall My word be, whatever shall proceed out of My mouth,
it shall by no means turn back, until all the things which I willed shall have been accomplished;
and I will make thy ways prosperous, and will effect My commands.
OR
So also will be the word that I speak
--it will not fail to do what I plan for it; it will do everything I send it to do"
- Isaiah 55:11

Blabbermouth, word up, fyi, just merely speaking itself and in itself, is an act of creation, as you are creating and forming distinct meaningful elements of speech, lmso, expressing your thoughts and feelings by/with articulate sounds. So the Godhead said, Let there be ... (i.e. Let there exist ...) and, there be (i.e. there exist) and so we have history and the opportunity for this discussion

Blabbermouth:
The onus is not mine, you are the one so headstrong with an incomplete absolute freewill belief that you will go to the point of trying to twist God's plain words.

No one is twisting God's plain words, so stop being needlessly paranoid

Blabbermouth:
Like I said, the belief in some existent future will continue to make you double-mouthed.
I didn't write my script before I was born? Wow! Which one did God see? Who wrote the one He saw?

"And from then Yeshua began to inform His disciples that he was prepared to go to Jerusalem
and He would suffer many things from the Elders and from the Chief Priests and the Scribes
and He would be murdered, and the third day He would rise."
- Matthew 16:21

Blabbermouth:
Fantasies.

Fantasies, hardly are escape from reality. I do understand that it is easy to confuse realities, for fantasies, so we will see how much of a misleading fantasy, it is to say you dont have absolute freewill

Blabbermouth:
1. I will watch the video when I am chanced, I won't want to rush over it.

Take your time, just pay attention to 01:14-01:46 mark of the videos all I am asking and interested in you watch

Blabbermouth:
2. Why use a video? Why use scriptures? I have seen the scriptures, so? Give me your own plain answers to each of the questions please.

The video, is to give an idea of what the Greek world "exerchomai" is. I used scripture as corroborative evidence. Your wish is my command:
1. What was Yeshua's will concerning the cup He was to take?
Answer>>>
Yeshua's will concerning the unsavoury cup was hedging against drinking it

2. What was God's will concerning the cup He was to take?
Answer>>>
God's will was that the cup be drank

3. Whose will was done, God's will or Yeshua's will?
Answer>>>
It is the former's will that was done.

Blabbermouth:
3. Dead on arrival! If God projected himself and multiplied into 3,000, all of them MUST/WILL have the same WILL! If they don't, they are definitely not the same!
God 1 wants ice-cream but won't take buns but God 2 wants buns but won't take ice-cream? Hahahahahahaha, joker.
Don't bring your trinity here, it's going to be your stumbling block.

Why would I have any need to introduce trinity, hmm, lmso? God is trinity and more. God in infinity.

Christianity Etc › Re: Pst Chris Oyakilome & Prophetess Warns Enenche, Ibiyeomie Over Daddyfreeze by MuttleyLaff: 3:51am On Sep 17, 2020

IgweBUIKE1:
smiles tales by moon light coming from a pastor that applauded masturbation

supportnija:
Because he said the truth you have started calling him name now, does someone fight for God? if we should fight for God then BOKOHARAM are nice group.

Kriss216:
Masturbation is far better than rape and patronizing prostitutes.

Masturbation and "patronizing prostitutes" with consent, actually is far better than rape. If life long caring, faithful, committed, truthful, honest, loving each other in a beautiful lasting life-long, loyal and most importantly, monogamous, same-sex relationship, free of hate, free of lust, free of envy et cetera and that has no detriment, injury, damage, harm to each other, no betrayal of each other, or no cheating on each other, and not causing hurt to each other, another person, an animal, object or neighbour, heterosexuals/SSA approach mutual masturbation as a rich and rewarding form of sexual expression, it would improve their sex lives so much.

Interestingly enough, there are two prostitutes and one "prostitute" in Yahsua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ genealogy.

Disclaimer: The interlocutor is not condoning or condemning masturbation and patronizing prostitutes as their customers

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oqh50csapMs
Classic case of hello pot, pleased to meet you kettle, lmso.
Well, aren't pot, a little ray of soot black too, lmso

Christianity Etc › Re: Hedonism by MuttleyLaff: 3:09am On Sep 17, 2020

MrBrownJay1:
The greatest pleasure on earth is FREEDOM...freedom to do whatever you wanna do, whenever you wanna do it and however you wanna do it.

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Word. Gbam!

Somebody please pass this my guy, MrBrownJay1, this chilled bottle of orijin. Plus send him a truckload of kolanuts as well and after that, consider him sharp sharp, next governor in waiting of his state of origin.

Right on point on the greatest pleasure on earth is "freedom". Wehdone Sir! Please drink responsibly though.

MrBrownJay1:
Sadly, anyone controlled by a holybook cannot understand that because they have to abide by that holybook' s rules and regulations (not their own)

There is no imaginative sadness anywhere and I am yet to see any "holybook" put a gun to anyone's head, threatening to blow the person's brain out, if he/she doesn't abide by the "holybook's" so called rules and regulations

MrBrownJay1:
God is "your" everything, while there are people out there whose everything is bigger than what your God allows you to do/feel/be/experience etc

God is Omniscient. God is All. God, whether you acknowledge it or don't acknowledge it, is God your everything too, albeit if only you allow Him to be so.

There are people out there whose everything is bigger than what God allows them to do/feel/be/experience et cetera. Case in point, A&E's everything was bigger than what and all God allowed/permitted them to do/feel/be/experience et cetera. With the greatest pleasure on earth: FREEDOM, as you succinctly put it, abused and misused and with the departure of God from A&E's sphere of influence, A&E confusedly become gods in ruins.

You see my dear friend, it is no secret that all creativity/creation each have the fundamentally right of existence and by rights, this means they're to exist and to, without arm-twisting, hindrance, coercion, force, threats, duress freely express themselves,

One of the deepest secrets, is that, life is a process of discovery, a process of creation, as it were. You are discovering yourself, you're writing a script as you develop characters, and thus, you're creating yourself as you want to be, hopefully anew.

Honestly speaking my dear friend, God honors creativity/creation, actually His creature particularly; human beings that is and allows them to be participants in their own creation. Why? I sense you asking. Well conventional wisdom, has it that, a man is only truly ever complete and human once he has reached theosis.

Here is another point, whatever creativity is, it is in part, a solution to a problem, but creativity requires experience and experience comes from life while your life is, you with the freedom of experience and freewill, expressing yourself. Now, watch carefully, the magic that occurs, when you give a person just enough comfort, to be themselves. Case in point, Satan, Adam and Eve, Pharaoh, Balaam, Judas Iscariot, King Agrippa, our very own, NL world Religion forum famous Tamaratonye5, even you too yours truly MrBrownJay1 et cetera and et al.

God respects His creation/creatures, respects your creativity, your creative space, hence the reason why you have the gift of freewill. The power to talk anyhow you want to talk, to type anyhow you feel like typing ...

The greatest thing about life is this. The acknowledgment of God in life. This is the greatest example and what we all should be doing in everything. Giving gives thanks from knowing that, in all things, God works for the good of those who love Him, who have been called according to His purpose.
Knowing that God works all things for our good

Bottom line, we are not prisoners of a predetermined future (i.e. an already prior written script) but we are giving the freedom to determine what and however we want to be

cc: Blabbermouth, kkins25

Christianity Etc › Re: People Shocked As Pastor Chris Broke Into Tears Within 5mins Of Preaching by MuttleyLaff: 7:26pm On Sep 16, 2020

Crocodile tears. Modern English speakers use the phrase “crocodile tears” to illustrate a display of superficial or false grief, but the saying actually originates from a medieval belief that crocodile shed tears of sadness when killing and consumed their prey

Christianity Etc › Re: Pst Chris Oyakilome & Prophetess Warns Enenche, Ibiyeomie Over Daddyfreeze by MuttleyLaff: 7:04pm On Sep 16, 2020

genkins:
After a week long controversy that saw the Senior pastor of Dunamis church, Pst Paul Enenche and that of Salvation ministries, Pastor David Ibiyeomie lay curses and use foul language on thier pulpits, Pst Chris Oyakilome has issued a warning.

Pastor Chris Oyakilome of Christ Embassy made it clear that thier calling is to bless and not to curse.

Thier vituperations(the pastors ibiyeomie and Enenche) were directed at
Daddyfreeze, an OAP with Coolfm who they claimed insulted thier Father Bishop Oyedepo, the General Overseer of Living Faith church worldwide.

In another, a prophetess has asked both pastor Enenche and Ibiyeomie to repent.

Watch pastor chris' warning

h ttps://youtu.be/UA52204b2lA

Prophetess warning watch below

h ttps://youtu.be/Io5xrHnyoIg

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MuttleyLaff:
... How can one curse, whom God has not cursed? Or, how shall one defy, whom the God has not defied, hmm?

petra1, here is my free refresher Bible 101 lesson and fyi for you, there is something called the "boomerang repercussion" effect. Now, listen and re-learn this real good, which is that, you never wish for someone what you wouldn't wish yourself, and that is because of this same thing known as the "boomerang repercussion" effect. Dont ever, say it is an error, which carries a curse, because whatever is initiated, so shall it boomerang back to the sender.

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MuttleyLaff: 7:04pm On Sep 16, 2020

Blabbermouth:
Saith the MLV (MuttleyLaff Version) Bible.

You once said that "Pharaoh was hardened by an higher force" Now Blabbermouth, please explain to me, in no uncertain terms, how exactly was Pharaoh hardened by this an higher force. Thank you.

Blabbermouth:
Before Balaam was born, he wrote his own script of how he will waste his opportunity, why did you expect anything to change?

Will you stop making all these terrible and inaccurate remarks. Fyi, no human being before they are born, writes their own script

Every human being, just as same with A&E, are born as a blank canvasses. Meaning they are characterless. Character begins to form, from the moment one steps into this world and hence begin to write the script of one's life with all sort of diverse, varied and/or distinctive characters. Yes, we write our script from the moment we are born

Blabbermouth:
Whenever you are ready, I will PUBLICLY take your Guinea-pig experiment.

I know you are raring very enthusiastic and eager to be the star in the matter of life and death guinea-pig experiment.

Dont worry your chance in starring in the short-lived experiment will soon come. It is going to be a very short time in the spotlight, a brief flurry with infamy, a day you won't ever quickly forget.

Blabbermouth:
Perhaps Sir MuttleyLaff, give a succinct answer to the following:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMXat7fIpQ0

Blabbermouth, watch this above video first, before checking out my responses to your three questions. Make sure you eat the hay, but spit out the sticks though in the video. Where I want you particularly to listen to and give your utmost attention to the video, is specifically from the:

01:14 ... so God sat down ....
01:20 God, walked out of God, and God, looked at God.
01:29 The Lord, said to my Lord. God, said to God:
01:34 You! Go!! I'll wait here !!!
01:36 [Applause]
01:40 ... wait a minute it needs some seconds
01:44 to sink in ...
01:46 [Applause]

MuttleyLaff:
"Jesus said to them,
“If God were your Father, you would love Me, for I proceeded forth and came from God;
nor have I come of Myself, but He sent Me."
- John 8:42

In John 8:42 above, "exerchomai" is the Greek original word, translated as "proceeded forth". By definition, it means, to go or come out of, with mention of the place out of which one goes, or of the point from which one departs. So, John 8:42 above, makes no mistake, where from, Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ proceeded forth and came out from.

MuttleyLaff:
"Though He was God, He did not think of equality with God as something to cling to."
- Philippians 2:6

Your handicap is that you are looking at God as if God is Mr Bin.

Are you saying that it is hard and impossible for God to project Himself, hmm? I dont think, you've ever done a 2 Timothy 2:15 on the above Philippians 2:6 yet. When you do get to, please look up the Greek word "morph" used in the verse, maybe after, you might get the epiphany on how God projected Himself to move into a different place and time constraint

I am in a generous and kinder mood, so will save you, going to lift up the floorboards yourself

The Greek word "morph" used in Philippians 2:6 above, carries the sense of "shape/reshape", "change", "modify", "switch/switching", "transform", "transfigure", "transmute", "shift",

You find the word used with meanings, in such words as: amorphous, anthropomorphism, metamorphose/metamorphosis

MuttleyLaff:
My dear Sir, with the utmost respect, you are just obfuscating a very simple, penny plain explanation, but its all good, its alright, as I have a few easy, direct, simple, innocent, harmless, straightforward questions to ask you

Watch this Blabbermouth, for the sake of this discussion, imagine you had supernatural abilities, that makes it possible for you to project yourself, outwards from your body into a different place and time. You are still the same with the projection, lets call it "son" and call you the "father".

1/ Whose bidding, respectfully, do you think "son" will be doing?
2/ Is "son" not you, the "father"?
3/ Is "son" not distinct from you, the "father"?
4/ Is "son" and you the "father" not the same person known as Blabbermouth?
5/ Does "son" not see you the "father" Blabbermouth, do good things?
6/ Does "son" not have the same power as you, the "father" Blabbermouth?
7/ Did "son" not come from you, the "father" Blabbermouth?
8/ Is "son" not equal to the "father" Blabbermouth, yet not clinging to that status, so to fulfil all righteousness in that way, hmm?
9/ Would "son," being you the "father" Blabbermouth, have the ability and power to see into humans' heart, know their thoughts, tell what they're thinking, or what they desire, just like you the "father" Blabbermouth have that ability to do, hmm? In other words, similar from 1 Samuel 9:19 and 1 Samuel 10:19&26.
10/ Who really, in this scenario, is the "son"?

I look forward to you addressing the questions directly and/or head-on

Blabbermouth:
1. What was Yeshua's will concerning the cup He was to take?

Matthew 20:22, Matthew 26:39, Luke 22:42

Blabbermouth:
2. What was God's will concerning the cup He was to take?

John 1:29, Matthew 6: 10, Matthew 26:42, Matthew 27:46, Mark 15:34

Blabbermouth:
3. Whose will was done, God's will or Yeshua's will?

Matthew 26:42, Matthew 27:46, Mark 15:34

Politics › Re: Handicapped Man Blocks Police Van, Demands Release Of Arrested Protesters: Video by MuttleyLaff: 6:51pm On Sep 16, 2020

Cramzy:
By the time they brush u with that van and render your second leg useless, then u will know this is Nigeria

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wizzyrich:
What Sowore and Wole Soyinka cannot do, a cripple has done it.

Celebrities › Re: Omawumi Shares Photos Of Her Husband And Children by MuttleyLaff: 4:41pm On Sep 16, 2020

ValCon888:
It seems to me like the man needs a bra.

Bewiseedet:
Eyaaah.. Your husband na fatty

Christianity Etc › Re: Why Will God Sacrifice His Only Son When He Can Simply Do This?? by MuttleyLaff: 6:18am On Sep 16, 2020

kkins25:
i think the sensible question to ask would be; if God in his so called glory could influence pharaoh by hardening his heart, why couldn't he also influence pharaoh by softening his heart?

This is typical of a question not full of common sense asked. Smh.

God didnt not frigging influence Pharaoh by hardening his heart. Pharaoh was a willing participant to hardening his heart up. God gave Pharaoh ten set of circumstances to make and let him soften his heart. Ten times is was given. Ten times Pharaoh refused. He squandered the all ten softening his heart opportunities.

Balaam had only one opportunity, and that one opportunity, he used it wisely.

God will not force anyone, won't force you kkins25, nor Blabbermouth to do anything against your will. When we get to having you, Blabbermouth, do the guinea pig experiment, you will, if alive after it, then find out, that it is true that God does not override or overrule your will. He doesnt impose or force a will upon you. It is you, who decides what you'll do. It is you who makes the decision(s)

kkins25:
why is that God of Moses is always working counterproductively (bearing in mind that they wandered the desert unnecessarily for freaking 40 bloody years with the silly excuse of "getting rid of slave mentality".. i think that was moses' bloody plan. Infact the whole charade was Moses plan, from the 10 commandments to the the last bit.

You can sometimes appear so embarrassingly and biblically awful undereducated sha, smh, fyi:

1/ ¹⁷"When Pharaoh let the people go, God did not lead them along the road to the land of the Philistines, even though it was nearby; for God said, “The people will change their minds and return to Egypt if they face war."
¹⁸So He led the people around toward the •Red Sea along the road of the wilderness. And the Israelites left the land of Egypt in battle formation."
- Exodus 13:17-18

2/ "Yahweh's anger was kindled against Israel,
and He made them wander back and forth in the wilderness forty years,
until all the generation, who had done evil in the sight of Yahweh, was consumed."
- Numbers 32:13

God with great care, thoroughness and attention to detail was fulfil actualising and achieving the prophetic Genesis 3:15 protoevangelium mentioned to Eve, which the law and the prophets also kept harping upandan about in scripture

Christianity Etc › Re: Hedonism by MuttleyLaff: 5:16am On Sep 16, 2020

Dtruthspeaker:
The Bible advocates for Balance and Reasonable Pursuits of Happiness, so that you hurt no one whether your fellow man or Your Owner, The Lord God, Who has only granted and given you permission to use His Things in a Reasonable Way.

That is what the Bible Counsels, for your continuous good preservation.

Wow! Gbam!

Tamaratonye5:
The bible also advocates slavery, and portrays a vicious capricious deity, that commits indiscriminate mass murder, even torturing a new born baby to death at one point to punish its parents for conceiving it in an adulterous affair, and causing a global genocidal flood. All the while encouraging its followers into acts of evil ethnic cleansing, and the sex trafficking of female prisoners. So your claim is baffling.

[quote author=Tamaratonye5 post=93881806]Besides, why should I care what the bible says anymore than any other work of fiction?

You dont have to care what the bible says anymore than any other work of fiction. It is the beauty of having the gift of freewill and to freely exercise using this gift, without fear or favour to see the Bible anyhow to decide to see it. It is your God given prerogative

Tamaratonye5:
Can you demonstrate any objective evidence for any deity?

I see their inanimate effigies, I see some of them with their bloody, filthy, dirty and unkempt looking shrines about. I see worshippers of these deities performing religious acts et cetera. Are these good enough objective evidences of these deities and/or so called purported demiurges

Christianity Etc › Re: Hedonism by MuttleyLaff: 4:55am On Sep 16, 2020

Tamaratonye5:
I have often heard hedonism decried by pretentious superstition, but can someone offer any rational or moral reason why pursuing earthly sensual and self indulgent pleasures is to be avoided?

I mean as long as no one else is harmed or exploited to obtain them, where’s the harm? I mean what else is there anyway?

There is nothing wrong with pursuing earthly sensual and self indulgent pleasures, inasmuch, it is done the 3 Rs concurrently - the right time, the right way/moment and still remaining on God's right side/good side.

The point is that, the greatest hedonism one can have in life is when in the midst and whole of it all, God is glorified and when we are most satisfied through Him. Ultimate hedonism, physical and spiritual pleasure, personal or intimacy between one and partner, should be a greatest pursuit of pleasure, that is the pursuit of pleasure in Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, in the ever presence of God, such manners that God is glorified and you are, whatever is, are pleasurably satisfied, most, in Him.

I am sorry, I put the cart before the horse. I should have first asked you, what to you, is your, the ultimate pleasure?

cc: Tmach137, Dtruthspeaker, ggirl4real, DeeVann, Hathor5, ThothHermes, MrBrownJay1

Christianity Etc › Re: God is merciful by MuttleyLaff: 3:54am On Sep 16, 2020

FOLYKAZE:
Mr Muttley, I sent you a mail. Did you receive it? Please respond sire. Thanks

"Toba to asiko lati su, idi a la, idi ti la lati ana nau. Mi oni sọ ju bayen lọ"

Christianity Etc › Re: Sin: God's Misunderstanding Of Human Behaviour by MuttleyLaff: 9:53pm On Sep 15, 2020

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Christianity Etc › Re: BREAKING: Pastor Abel Damina Fires At Pastor Paul Enenche Over Daddy Freeze by MuttleyLaff: 8:58pm On Sep 15, 2020

Preacherrr:
From your post i can deduce you are not only living in bitterness, but you are also confused person. because whether the message was preached in house on the rock on in your family house. it was also preached to his followers( his own church members and online followers). you think all this your bitterness towards servants of god like bishop oyedepo and other ministers of righteousness can amount to anything? the earlier you understand that you hurting yourself by been bitter against god's anointed the better for you. the tithe you are complaining of, how much tithe did you pay? have you ever paid tithe to any of them? if not, then you have a problem with yourself which i advice you fix immediately.

MuttleyLaff:
Christians and believers can tithe if they so decided in their heart and are not coerced, being forced people to give, aren't getting threatened with fear of curses, calamity or misfortune if they don't give an imposed and/or obligatory ecclesiastical monitised tithe giving. As long as specified financial demands aren't forced on people, it isn't a prob. If people willing and on their own initiative give tithe, that's OK

Let's just go there. There really is no stipulated/specific percentage on giving, for believers. All God requires, is a cheerful giving, that you decide in your heart without being forced or coerced to give. As a matter of fact, it is any amount that you're comfortable with and be in accordance to the level of grace you've received, only that there is a caveat that whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously

The Greek original word, "die", used in Matthew 23:23, means, it is necessary, to tithe
and so when that necessity is over, that obligation, duty or responsibility to tithe, is no longer required or needed
It was under that or those then present circumstances, that people like al\BHAGDADI dont understand, that Jesus says to tithe, and not the thereafter

People like al\BHAGDADI and others, dont want to recognise that the only tithes used to be given to God were:
1) the Levitical tithe aka Mosaic Law tithe, which are given to God via the priest (e.g. Levite)
and
2) the Abraham type of tithe, given to God, via a priest cum king (e.g. Melchizedek)
- see #3 below

Other tithes in a secular world context (i.e. tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1) also given are:
1) At pagan temples to priest(s) (note al\BHAGDADI extra biblical references will be provided upon your request, same with #3 below)
2) Upon the king's demand's (note al\BHAGDADI bible references also will be provided upon your request)
3) To a local ruler cum priest of a god or God, worthy of the consideration, after taking up arms, go to fight and winning battle fight(s) or war slaughering enemies

Now this is breaking it further down for easier understanding for the likes of al\BHAGDADI and others
1) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the Mosaic law (i.e. the Levitical tithe also known as the Mosaic Law tithe)
2) There is obligatory tithe imposed by the christian gatherings law
(i.e. ecclesiastical tithe, where christian gatherings, taxes its members tenth, 1/10, 10% and possibly 0.1 too, of their financial income)
3) There is obligatory tithe imposed by custom law (i.e. Abraham's tithing was done, due to the social setting of that time)
4) There is obligatory tithe imposed by monarchy law (i.e. tenth of seed and of vineyards, given to the king's officials and servants)

Now, there is another, which is voluntary tithe,
The nuance in this sort of tithe or tithing, is that it isn't imposed by the Mosaic law, not by christian gatherings law or by any custom law. For the attention of Horlufemi, this one, this so called "voluntary tithe" happens or occurs, when FREELY, one DECIDES to GIVE, a tenth of one's financial standing, as a form of contribution or donation toward's any Kingdom purposes, aid or means. In fact, the beauty and tithing subtle difference, is that, it is NOT obligatory or imposed

Bible writers and God use the terms, tenth and tithe interchangeably. So if I voluntarily give 10%, a tenth or 10 out 100 of my money contribution or donation toward's Kingdom purposes, aid or means, I technically have given a tithe. Considering that it is not a taxed, obligatory or imposition tithe, then I am free, to go ahead voluntarily giving it

All tithes or tithings, are a form of giving but NOT all giving are a tenth, tithe or tithing because the giving could be more or less than a tenth, tithe or tithing

The Bible's message today, is about a revolutionary way of giving, where believers are instructed or urged as in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above

Giving could be 50% today, as in 50% equals half of your money
Giving could be 10% next month, as in 10% equals a tithe, tenth, or 10 out 100 of your money
(i.e. voluntary tithe, voluntarily giving 10%)
Giving could be 100% following month, as in 100%, equals all of your money
Giving could be 0% following month after, as in 0%, equals zero goes out of your money
Could decide to give 1% month following after, as in 1%, equals 1 out 100 of your money
The giving cycle is not fixed, it might repeat or not repeat itself
How much you give, changes according to the amount or percentage, you willingly over the passage of time, decide to give

It is the freedom, to give whatever you're comfortable with cheerfully. This sort of giving regardless of the percentages is desirable but not obligatory. Without stipulating amounts to give, you're are being trusted to know, to do the 3 right things

You must each decide in your heart how much to give.
And don't give reluctantly or in response to pressure.
(i.e. you shouldn't be sorry that you gave or feel forced to give)
"For God loves a person who gives cheerfully."
- 2 Corinthians 9:7

It is obligatory, taxed or imposed tithing that Christians cannot tithe

It is imposed tithing, it is dead with the law and believers are not obligated to perform any form of imposed tithing

What al\BHAGDADI and others he is in cahoot with dont want to correctively preach, is that the Bible teaches the "church" the revolutionary way of giving, where believers are instructed or urged in 2 Corinthians 9:7 above, to do

2 Corinthians 9:7, by the way actually, is a rehashed principle God HAS always endorsed, as evident in Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9

al\BHAGDADI and anyone can go check out Exodus 25:2, Exodus 35:29, Deuteronomy 15:10 & 1 Chronicles 29:9 to find out that God is doing a full circle with this give as you determine in your heart without being under compulsion
cc Goshen360, Okai\Corne, OK\cornel, open\mine, Anas\09

cc Ugo\Fly

Bodydialect57, I am good, it was a false alarm and prolly not our mutual friend, as I now think it this chap here, who was showing hand

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Christianity Etc › Re: BREAKING: Pastor Abel Damina Fires At Pastor Paul Enenche Over Daddy Freeze by MuttleyLaff: 7:09pm On Sep 15, 2020

Preacherrr:
You mean Abel Damina the false teacher. the pastor that preached to his followers that Jesus passed heaven after resurrection and did not go to heaven. The same man that told his followers that heaven was dirty and Jesus needed to use his blood to cleanse it.(video is on youtube ) if you accept or believe Abel Damina's utterances or teachings you do so at your own peril.
God bless Pst Ibiyeomi and Pst Paul Enenche for speaking up the way they did.

It wasn't any Abel Damina, his followers, but the sermon was at House of the Rock, with Paul Adefarasin and his missus in attendance. It is very clear you did not at all understand the sermon

jesmond3945:
where is the link?

Dont mind the guy ojaare.

Preacherrr:
Type ABEL damina on YouTube, you will see the message Jesus never went to HEAVEN by ABEL Damina..

Smh, you guys just done cease to amaze with your confused dot com failure to understand a simple preached sermon

Christianity Etc › Re: BREAKING: Pastor Abel Damina Fires At Pastor Paul Enenche Over Daddy Freeze by MuttleyLaff: 6:56pm On Sep 15, 2020*

jesusjnr2020:
I was shocked to see where Daddy Freeze called David Oyedepo "a bald headed foul".
I respect him for daring to call out such church leaders for their mammon worshipping as Jesus had done the Pharisees of His day, however I sensed that he was getting carried away with it to a large extent, and such an unwarranted utterance was an indication of that.

He shocked me however with his apology, because I viewed Freeze as quite arrogant so for him to humble himself and offer such an apology, it's by no means a small feat on his part.

He earned more of my respect as a result because it's human to err, but any man who does something wrong but feels too big to humble himself and say "I'm sorry" when he realizes that, cannot claim to be a follower of Christ because that's as Unchristlike as it could possibly get.

So i'm waiting for the other two church leaders (Paul Enenche and David Ibiyeomi to apologize to Freeze for calling him a bastard, threatening his life among other things, otherwise they'd hence prove that Freeze is ahead of them at least in this area.

God bless.

MuttleyLaff:
"Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!
for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward,
but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness."
- Matthew 23:27

"¹“Shout with the voice of a trumpet blast.
Shout aloud! Don’t be timid. Tell my people Israela of their sins!
²Yet they act so pious! They come to the Temple every day and seem delighted to learn all about me.
They act like a righteous nation that would never abandon the laws of its God.
They ask me to take action on their behalf, pretending they want to be near me."
- Isaiah 58:1-2

The scribes, the teachers of religious law and Pharisees in Matthew 23:27 above, were all older and senior to Yahshua Ha Mashiach aka Jesus Christ, yet He didnt mince words with them. He never called a spade, a hoe, but He consistently called a spade, a spade

OK, since you asked about what the readership think, then, I am thinking that why not, please paste here, where, when and how, on that Instagram post, Freeze, out and out, mentioned Oyedepo's name.

I also, am thinking that do you know what a shriek is?
Are you familiar with how bald headed fowls shriek?
Are you familiar with above Isaiah 58:1-2, concerning the necessity to cry out aloud, sparing not, lift up voice like a horn and declare unto God's people their transgression. Confront them with their sin(s)!?
Is Oyedepo absolved of insulting others or even slapping a defenceless young girl, hmm?

Tbh with you, I find it unforgivable cringeworthy when Oyedepo interjects the air with his occasional high, grating, shrill, irritating screams. They are off-putting and distracts from following the message and point he is trying to make or put across

Disclaimer:
Absolutely no forum rule "#11. Don't create distracting posts with: ALL WORDS BOLD / huge font sizes / ALL CAPS / distracting imagesspaces, etc" sic was harmed or flouted before, after and during the creation of this post, so please, pro-Oyedepo & overzealous "the powers that be" dont hide my post or ban me.

If you are able to produce an incontrovertible proof audio or black and white print, of Freeze, ever unreservedly wholly and completely heard uttering an Oyedepo name or typed an Oyedepo name, then I will gladly and pronto terminate my NL account and forever kiss NL hasta la vista after the world comes to an end

Christianity Etc › Re: BREAKING: Pastor Abel Damina Fires At Pastor Paul Enenche Over Daddy Freeze by MuttleyLaff: 6:44pm On Sep 15, 2020

smileclement:
Pastor Abel Damina Fires at Pastor Paul Enenche over his response to daddy freeze.

Pastor wasn't happy at pastor Paul enenche's response to Daddy Freeze

Watch the video
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Christianity Etc › Re: Sango, Thor And Zeus....same Gods, Different Cultures by MuttleyLaff: 6:06pm On Sep 15, 2020

donnie:
Nobody ask you anything.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/6248100_obasanjosayingntor_jpeg19035170b7f2fc4a2c166956c808e236
Sifia pains, dey pepper gang pain am
The ting shook am, hin wan cry grin

Christianity Etc › Re: God is merciful by MuttleyLaff: 8:42am On Sep 15, 2020

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