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Oga Muyesky, We're really enjoying your work here. Please, we're trying to use your windows and doors for our project, detailed here: https://www.nairaland.com/2583312/building-solar-powered-hostel-learning-experience Ideally, we'd like to have 10 windows, all 3ft wide. There are 3 windows 3ft tall, 5 windows 1ft tall, and 2 windows 4ft tall. Please provide with netting and buglary proof already installed inside. The paint should be brown, instead of white (what is the cost difference?). Also, we have a total of 4 doors (1 steel for outside, 2 room doors, and 1 bathroom door). If you could please give me a quote, either on this thread or my topic, I would sincerely appreciate it.
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Abeg, I no wan hear "shall be", "is scheduled to", "has been invited to" and other future tense. Just release the news when it is in past perfect tense, for instance: "has been", or "is now". All this "shall be", "is not", "May be", "progressing towards" don dey tire me. ![]() |
Here are some of my reasons, and I fully support it: 1. Nigerian women have, since time immemorial, exercised some financial independence, either by being traders, farmers, hairdressers, seamstresses, etc. they've always used this to supplement family income, and sometimes have been the sole breadwinner. Which leads to 2. Women nowadays have multiple responsibilities to their own families, and sadly not too many Nigerian men are understanding enough to help. He thinks only of his responsibility to his original family. 3. Many men are also petty and jealous and can't stand the thought of a woman being financially independent. 4. If you tell the man, he might want to control it, siphons funds from it, or spend it on some reckless venture. 5. Some men can be selfish, and can belittle the woman every time she wants to spend money on herself, children, family, or just have fun. He doesn't mind buying beer and pepper soup, but if she wants to invest in some fine cloth (yes, cloth is a form of precious property), na wahala. 6. After using the lady up, some men wake up and decide they need a new partner. How is the woman supposed to fend for herself without putting money away for a rainy day? So, for these reasons, I think it is extremely wise of a woman to squirrel away something, because, who knows tomorrow? Save small small, buy land, build house. Maybe that's where her family lives so they won't pay rent. Maybe she has tenants and uses that rent money to pay her siblings' fees... Would her husband have agreed to build a property for her family? Would husband agree to pay for her younger siblings' school fees? It's not every school year she wants to have another argument over how to pay for fees for their children, his siblings, and her siblings. I've heard of cases where a woman's income from her business was what she used to help feed their children after Baba Mulika drank or bet away the month's salary. The Western view of marriage was traditionally extremely sexist, denying women rights to own property or financial independence. Conversely, the Nigerian view of marriage encouraged women to be independent. I think the trouble started when Nigerian men adopted the Western way of thinking, ignoring the fact that their grandmothers had been financially independent way before the country existed. They did so without understanding the ramifications of importing a foreign, misogynist way of thinking into an existing, enlightened, and mature culture. |
Great calculations by abdulwastecx in Cost Of laying a bungalow Foundation: https://www.nairaland.com/2162299/cost-laying-bungalow-foundation#31004622 He uses DPC of 75mm thick (not German floor), 6" blocks, and cement mixing ratio of 1:3:6 (which I'll express as 2:6:12 to mean 2 bags of cement, 6 pans of gravel, and 12 pans of sand to avoid confusing me), strip footing of 100mm (4" ) depth and 450mm (18" ) width. Price is approximately N3700/meter of wall in a foundation that's 2 feet high (600mm, 3 courses) using 6" blocks. This includes cement, gravel, sand, boards, DPM, workmanship, in short all that goes into making a foundation. So for our project we can expect to be in the ballpark of: 6 walls x 6 meters/wall x N3700/meter = N133200.Of course things will vary, but the final cost should not change by too much, given the specs above. |
steven187:For the same reasons Americans and Australians speak English, but don't consider themselves to be English. Or Brazilians speak Portuguese but don't consider themselves Portuguese. Anioma is a mix of people some indigenous, some migrants from Bini, Nri, and other places. One people, united by similar customs and a language (igbo), but not Igbo. As to the OP, we're Anioma people. Not Igbo. We have an affinity for our brothers across the Niger, but we have realized, time and time again, that when push comes to shove, our brothers also recognize we're not "true Igbo". We should trust and cooperate with each other, but must never forget how quickly the notion of "true Igbo" (and "true deltans BTW) comes up when it's time to pick nominees for public office, or when a federal project is to be based in igboland. Don't also forget how quickly Biafra forces abandoned Anioma and used it as a bufferzone against Federal troops, going so far as to blow up the bridge. True brothers would fight to the death together. Of course we may rationalize their actions under the rules of war, but I say once bitten... A word is enough for the wise. |
So police refused because they were afraid it was juju. Snake charmers collected N20,000 to kill it. Area boys turned it into bush meat. Na wao |
Borno abeg feed and educate ur people. This money could have started 1000 SMEs that will eradicate poverty. BH spreads mostly because the youth have lost all hope. |
It seems the Biofil digester can be 30 times smaller than the equivalent soak away, reducing land use and eliminating the hazard of caving in. I found these usage examples from their prospectus, which can result in a mostly hidden digester: https://www.biofilcom.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/biofil-toilet-system.pdf For a system cost of N300k (my estimate), it seems like a very good idea. Apparently you only need to empty out solid waste, which is completely broken down, every two years, and use it to fertilize a lawn or trees on the property. Looks like we'd also need to discharge the excess water (which I'm not entirely sure is decomposed), into a discharge pond or (small) soakaway. See some video explanations here: https://www.biofilcom.org/our-work/how-it-works/ Very innovative, and I like the reuse of water from handwashing to flush.
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What would it cost for galvanized steel cladding of our project, stated here: https://www.nairaland.com/2583312/building-solar-powered-hostel-learning-experience The building is 6m square and I would like to use your ideas instead of concrete blocks for the exterior. We'd also like to clad the three internal walls measuring 6m, 4m and 2m. With external walls 4x6m and a height of around 2.8m the total surface area will be around 6 x 6m x 2.8 roughly 100m sq. how much will this cost, including acoustic and thermal insulation for all walls? What do you finally cover the exterior walls with to make them rain/wearer resistant? If possible, I'd like to also talk about pop ceiling with insulation. Please send a quote for that too. This is an experimental project, and I we'll executed, will turn into more and larger projects. Thanks! |
The revised floorplan, with appropriate placement of windows. It would be interesting to see if the entire building and interior walls could be done with galvanized steel cladding and insulation, as illustrated by Dominionng: https://www.nairaland.com/2113514/false-ceiling-galvanized-steel-cladding#32062876
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The site of the experiment on the available land...
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OP Y'all need to quit with this "major cleavage" this and that... there's nothing to see here. You could have said: "Ini posing with some other actors in a nice outfit" or something, but I guess not as much clicks huh? AY looking ill dressed as always, but OC Ukeje dapper |
This post is a convenient growing collection of links to other topics I'll need later... just putting this here as place holder, so I don't have to bookmark on multiple browsers. This also allows me to add details to the bookmarks, which browsers aren't really good at. Low cost examples of 1 and 2-bedrooms by oga spyder880. In both cases I don't see German floor, mesh in the floor, or concrete columns in the house corners (there's a pair of concrete columns in the front of the 2-bedroom house, but there's none supporting the house walls). https://www.nairaland.com/1817286/low-cost-housing-case-study 1 bedroom, no cost or time listed https://www.nairaland.com/1809270/low-cost-housing-case-study 2 bedroom, N 2.5M (adjusted to 2.6M for waterlogged foundation), 60 days List of building materials in Nigeria and their costs, as of September 2014, by gistmelove https://www.nairaland.com/1916167/list-building-materials-nigeria-price Calculations by abdulwastecx in Cost Of laying a bungalow Foundation gives a price of N3700 per meter in foundation. See below for calculations: https://www.nairaland.com/2162299/cost-laying-bungalow-foundation#31004622 Soak away: https://www.nairaland.com/1904839/cost-soakaway-septic-tank 9" blocks, N 425k (for 2 tanks?), be sure to use columns https://www.nairaland.com/2550211/off-topic-thread-discuss-anything-everything/18#37651045 biofil toilet digester, N 300k estimated 07056137600 https://www.nairaland.com/2138981/biofil-toilet-digester-alternative-septic#41707594 examples of biofil installations 08035207445 Doors and windows: https://www.nairaland.com/1410552/security-armored-doors-burglary-proofs/25 Muyesky Solar packages: http://solyntaenergy.com/solar-packages/for-homes/ Really like their simplified 5-tier packages that makes it really easy to understand what you can power and how much. They provide all the pieces and will install. Very well done @ Barcholder Galvanized steel cladding and insulation, as illustrated by Dominionng: https://www.nairaland.com/2113514/false-ceiling-galvanized-steel-cladding#32062876 i-beams aluminum L-shaped: https://www.nairaland.com/2280646/get-these-l-beams-nigeria#33240919 5700 ea for 18ft Tiles: nice collection of tiles by spyder880 https://www.nairaland.com/2275826/sample-collection-tiles-home/1#39538292 |
EgunMogaji:Not sure why it hasn't, but car ports have been made with it. It might be an issue of existing building codes and insurance liabilities. 12v or 24v will not shock anybody (24v might induce some tingling if you're wet); there's an insulating ceiling between roof and occupants. If it's raining, it's highly likely it's not sunny, therefore little voltage is being generated Thanks for the encouragement. Part of why I like this forum is to ask these questions so hopefully we'll either get rational answer for why not, or be able push the envelope once we're sure of how it can be safe. |
EgunMogaji:1. Agreed. It makes sense in rural areas where there's no reliable grid. I was arguing against those who install it in well served cities. 2. I'm not sure that spending $30k today in one lump sum, so they can get $100 per month back, half the year, is any real income. They can do better buying bonds or stocks or somesuch. I really doubt this makes economic sense. It's like the folks who spend $50k for an electric car so they can save $100/month on gas over 5 years ($6k) instead of just buying the $20k gasoline car. Not rational (if the reason was only to save money) 3. I understand people want to be green, but the purification of silicon into solar cells is not green at all. It uses dangerous materials and is quite polluting. The smelting of the aluminum frame also takes a ton of energy. And the batteries: mining and refining lithium is way more polluting than a scrubbed coal plant. Don't forget you need to toss them every two years. Again, if the only issue was to be eco-friendly, buying a ton of stuff that is not currently manufactured in an eco-friendly manner is not the way to do it. I imagine that using solar long term is more eco-friendly, but it's not the guaranteed feel-good if all that goes into solar energy production is taken into account. Why do solar then? I think it makes perfect sense if you don't have a reliable grid. It will make better eco-sense as components are made with much less pollution and also importantly, in solar-powered factories. It makes a lot of sense as we transition to more efficient devices that need less energy. |
EgunMogaji:I see where you're coming from, but it's very different from what I'm proposing. In summary: nobody (as far as we can tell) has created a self-supported solar roof for a house made of solar panels. Panels currently are attached to existing roofs that have been prepared in the traditional ways. Solar shingles are taking this one step further by replacing traditional roofing sheets and shingles. Our radical idea takes this even a step further and says, "you don't need to prepare a roof, then attach panels or solar shingles; the roof is made of panels" |
EgunMogaji:I'm also planning to have at least 3 circuits in the house: 1. lights, usb charging outlets, fans; these are lightweight in terms of watts but essential. Battery backed. Each of our rooms will use 40-60w of led lights at 24v (which we are manufacturing BTW). I hadn't thought of motion detection to save energy but that's a great idea 2: auxiliary: water pump, TV, stereo, gates; more energy usage, nice to have but not essential. Can also put more, non critical lights on this circuit. Also battery backed. Ideally no inverter needed if you choose dc models. 3: heavy duty: AC, induction cooker: these won't be battery backed since you'd need a lot of batteries to support them. Instead will run directly off solar when the sun is shining bright. If you can cool your home and fridge during the hot day, they should remain cool during the night We're also planning to install only usb-a sockets in the wall so you can charge devices efficiently Personally, I don't think solar homes in the US makes any sense: you spend $20-$40k upfront (still steep, even with tax credits) to install when you have a reliable grid; save less than $200/month in utility bills for 6 months per year (don't think you save much in Winter); the thing takes 20-30 years to pay itself off; you may move within that time. If you really want to save/make money and you have $20k-$40k lying around, just buy some stocks and sit on them for 30 years. On the other hand, since NEPA is so unreliable (non existent in some towns), I think there's a lot of savings to be gained by ditching NEPA and high voltage entirely. Now if you have more than 12 hours of electricity/day, solar may not be worth it, just get an inverter and battery bank. |
EgunMogaji:Yes, that's what I was talking about though: the shingles are being attached to an existing sheathing. There's a ton of woodwork: beams, joists, treated plywood, waterproof underlaying, and flashing that needs to be installed. Then come the shingles (either sheets, tiles, solar shingles or regular shingles). The shingles cannot span any distance themselves without a rigid backing already in place. A solar panel, being a rigid aluminum frame, can span 1.65m by .9m which could eliminate all that underlaying roofing material. That's the distinction... |
EgunMogaji:Link please. I've looked extensively, but I could only find either: - solar panels attached to existing roof - solar shingles also attached to existing roof - solar carports, which is what this idea is based on But nothing specific to what we're hoping for: a roof for a house built entirely from solar panels and some supporting beams without any underlying roof made from sheets/tiles/shingle. Nothing I've seen makes me think it's been done before. The carports in the pictures above show that it's possible, we only need to waterproof the array well enough to prevent leaks and insulate the roof from the ceiling. It would be great if you had a link to share so we could all benefit from how they did it |
Here's a slightly modified version, this time using regular sandcrete blocks and plastering, rather than the compressed earth blocks. It's a bit more minimalist, with just a bit of the brick on part of the front wall. For this version, we'd like to experiment with windows sized 6 inches wide which should be smaller than what most adults can fit through. This allows us to avoid burglary proof. Also reduced the size of the roof so it no longer overhangs the building, and in its place, there's a rectangular awning covering the entry doorway. The entire front slab is going to be extended by a shallow poured concrete patio, perhaps with an umbrella covering for relaxing outside. The front of the building faces East, so it won't be overwhelmed with sunlight in the late afternoon and evening. There are two air vents, one in the bathroom, and one in the kitchen, to pull out hot humid air.
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Well, I got my 2 copies in the mail yesterday, and I was really impressed with the quality of storytelling, graphics, and the physical properties of the comic book. I immediately put 1 copy in a sealed bag as a collector's item, and proceeded to read the other with my children. We could only get through half before bedtime, and I'm looking forward to reading the rest tonight. I can't tell you how happy I was for my children to see a superhero and family that looks like them. Great job and more grease to the author's elbow! |
Now on to the building carcass... we're looking at compressed earth blocks (CEB), and I was really pleased to read a post by remmyjay007 showing their use. I like them because of their superior strength, sound insulation, and thermal mass in comparison to concrete blocks. You use much less motar overall for your project, and the blocks have holes that can be used to support iron and to channel conduits for water and electricity. Also they don't need to be plastered or painted, use the available sand on the site, and much more. In short, read https://www.nairaland.com/2209886/affordable-housing to see all its advantages. I remember staying in two houses designed and built by an architect who used fired earth bricks and found the rooms so cool it didn't need AC or fan. In fact, I think it's a misnomer to call them "affordable bricks", when this is what we should modernize and standardize for building projects of a certain size. In researching beams for roofing, I really like the way the beams rest in spaces in the brick wall and will explore this for our site
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fippycbk:Since we're going for a decidedly minimalist look, I wanted a very simple roof, with just enough pitch to drain rain, and so the solar panels are tilted towards the sun in the evenings. Also wanted something with the fewest sections and the least surface area. Looking at this thread reinforced my gut feeling about simplicity and cost, https://www.nairaland.com/2550211/off-topic-thread-discuss-anything-everything/16#37616612 so our roof is reduced to a simple rectangle placed on the building: skillion roof. The cost of traditional roofing for a building 36 sq meters could be about N500k - N800k depending on location, complexity, material cost, and labour, but with the simplification of a skillion roof, we'll say around N650k using good quality materials. Then I got to thinking how much it would cost to mount the solar panels on top of that, and started doing some math: Good solar panels in Nigeria costs between N240/watt - N300/watt. We estimate that a 4kW system will provide enough power for lights and misc devices, for 2-3 days without sunlight. This means our solar panel cost (not including inverters or batteries) will range from N960k - N1.2M. Solar panels are already well designed to withstand rain, hail, wind, etc. and are supposed to last 20 years or so. They also come with the aluminium frame and backing material "for free", which means if one can weld or bolt these panels/frames together and add a few supporting beams, one could get a decent roof made of solar panels for not too much more cost. Using 250W panels, we'd need 16 panels (4kW/250W), and each of these panels measures about 1.65M x .990M, which means we can cover some serious square footage (16 x 1.65m x 0.9m = 23.76 sq m). To cover our building of 36 sq m we'd need 24 panels (4 x 1.65m = 6.6m wide, and 6 x .990m = 5.94m long). The cost of those 8 extra panels (24-16) ranges from N480k to 600k, which is in the ballpark of a traditional roof. Having these extra watts means you can start considering adding a small cooker, AC and/or washer which could really sweeten the appeal and draw higher rent. I saw a solar carport around Ikeja and filed that knowledge away. Later I searched online for "solar carport" and based on what I'm seeing, I think this could really work for a small building. I don't know how well this will scale for bigger buildings with complex roofs, but I think if the owner is committed to solar, he/she can use the money budgeted for generator, fuel and maintenance, and instead invest it in energy-generating surface area.
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OK, so what is a minimum viable product (MVP). I'll borrow a few quotes to explain what it means: The concept of the Minimum Viable Product (MVP) is generally taken as being the simplest and easiest version of the product you can build that delivers customer value.From: http://www.nickmilton.com/2015/07/lean-km-and-minimum-viable-product.html For us it means, what is the smallest/cheapest 100% solar-powered building that we can build to demonstrate how well solar can work, concentrating solely on low-energy needs: lighting, fan, water pump, mobile and laptop charge? It has to be 100% solar, off the grid, with no support for 220V AC. I believe this MVP will solve a few core issues: constant electricity so we can study at night, charge our phones, cool down and not fetch water in buckets. In addition, as we grow and learn, we'll learn how best to support other high-energy devices (fridge, AC, cooker, washing machine) but only using solar.
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I firmly believe the future of electricity lies with localized generation, especially with solar. I've seen a dramatic increase in solar-powered projects all over Nigeria as panels get cheaper, centralized power is still erratic (and in some towns, non-existent), and fuel can suddenly become scarce. It wouldn't surprise me if in 10-20 years, most people move from generator to solar, and the combined sum of solar panels on people's roofs eventually generate more electricity than PHCN. I think it's in our best interests as builders, contractors, customers, manufacturers, to get on board this train, fully understand the future, and guide the direction of this future so we won't suddenly be left behind. That said, I think there are a number of places that solar needs to improve before it becomes the default choice for power generation for most people: 1. it has to cost less; I think it will, as more people use it 2. it has to be more reliable; we need to educate the market about maintenance and battery replacement 3. it has to be more efficient; we need to use it with the most appropriate devices (the heart of this topic) 4. it has to be more useful than just lighting (solar really can't power a fridge, or AC, or stove or water heater); I'll try to tackle this in this topic too 4. it needs to be manufactured in Nigeria, suited for our climate; I initially thought PSC Solar UK was actually going manufacture, but was sorely disappointed to find they were yet another retailer. OK, why this post? After realizing the future of solar and the potential for us in Nigeria, I decided to embark on a project that would be fully solar powered. After a lot of research, it seems that a 100% powered hostel would be the best test bed for this experiment. The main reason is that the power requirements of students in a hostel is relatively low: LED lights, a fan, and ability to charge a phone. On the other hand, a family might also require: AC, cooker, washing machine, fridge, deep freezer), all things that significantly drive up the cost of the solar installation. After deciding on students, it occurred to me that the installation can be made even more efficient and cheaper if we got rid of the inverter: most devices a student needs uses low voltage DC: mobile phone, laptop, small TV, fan, lights. All these devices require a step down transformer to convert 220V AC down to 5V-12V DC. After more research, it seems the act of stepping the low voltage from a solar panel up to 220V, just to step it down to 5V loses up to 40% energy. If you can charge your mobile directly from a 12V panel and a 5V regulator, you'd need a smaller panel, smaller battery, no inverter, and save significant money. So I imagine a whole bunch of solar-powered hostels, highly efficient and tuned to students' needs, without worry about fuel scarcity, generator maintenance, or erratic power supply. The only caveat, at least initially, is that these hostels cannot support some things that students might also rely on: iron, ac, electric cooker, and other random AC appliances. However, I think if we understand the shortcomings and maximize the positives, we might actually have a viable project that students and their landlords will love. Which leads me to our minimum viable project: it's a tiny 6m X 6m two-room bungalow with a kitchen and bathroom for 4 people. It's a tiny project, and some might even say why bother. To be honest, I have grander plans, but this is what I can afford right now. It's something to test our ideas and cheaply make mistakes before we embark on anything bigger. Here's a floor plan and the proposed elevations, nothing professional, but we'll be employing best practice. This post is really a log of our ideas, failures, and successes; it should also be a great discussion board for everyone to share ideas and learn from; it is also a solicitation from interested contractors, suppliers, dreamers as we go along. We'll also be discussing how we reduce costs (e.g. using compressed earth blocks, no German floor, no ensuites or ante rooms, and absolutely no columns). There's even the radical idea of using solar panels as the roofing material. In other words, instead of the traditional wood work and roofing sheets, I'm thinking we can weld and rainproof panels together to form a 6mx6m roof that is then attached to roof. Initial cost analysis of the number of solar panels vs wood&sheets seems to suggest it's not too stupid an idea, besides we can use the money from traditional roofing materials to buy more panels and support more appliances. More analysis to follow. All in all, this looks like quite an exciting project, so let's get started.
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MadCow1: Aareonakakanfo:It can't be helped. The hero is Nigerian, with a Nigerian name. If he'd chosen a name from another region in Nigeria, surely somebody would protest/point it out. |
Chaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Omalicha baby tomato ![]() I don't usually trip, but I dey trip for dis babe gaan
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TOPCRUISE:Well, rather than think whether or not it will sell, I just bought 2 print copies. One to share with my children, and another as a collector's item. This is very exciting and there are lots of us who have been wishing for authentic, homegrown, relevant superheroes that we can proudly call our own, and that our children will identify with. Can't wait for the animated series, and I hope this inspires other artists to follow their dreams, no matter the naysayers and the critics. 10 years from now, Nigerian comics and anime might become a big part of Nigeria's cultural output, alongside Nollywood. Abeg click like if you go buy your own. If not, eh, kuku click like. |
Nice one. I'm thinking of using this for a really small project, a 6m cube residence, and I had a few questions: - how soundproof are the walls, comparing to concrete blocks or bricks? - how much does this cost, and how do you price it (per square meter?) - do you also do internal wiring after you install drywall, or at least conduits? - how long would it take to install in this building plan below: The partitioning we'd need are marked with the orange arrows Thanks!
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Thanks for the component breakdown, as well as cost and analysis. I'm planning to do something like this myself soon and I had no idea about all the upfront costs. |
I really like your idea of a prefabbed staircase, instead of the labor and material intensive cement stairs. We'd like to install this prefabbed spiral staircase from your website, being offered for ₦35,000.00, and had a few questions: 1. What are its dimensions: outside diameter at ground level, diameter of hole needed at first floor, and how tall is it? 2. Does it come as a whole, or in parts that we can assemble on site. How heavy is it? 3. Who does installation? One of your guys, or ours? 4. From when we purchase to when it's delivered and installed, how much time would it take? We're in Asaba Thanks!
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room089:1. I don't believe there is a clause in the Constitution, or any subsequent laws, that mandate what pictures can, and cannot be, hung on private property. 2. At the time of inscription, if any, he was president. The fact that he is no longer does not invalidate the inscription on the picture. 3. She is hanging up a picture of her husband. If you want to see a picture of the current president, head to a federal property. 4. It's traditional, but not enshrined in law (I don't think so anyway), that portraits of sitting presidents and/or governors be displayed, even on federal or state property. Hence, it may be faux-pas, but not treason, to display pictures of the former president on private property. |
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