samsobo24:
You must love this city

linkers:
Abuja looks dirty under this man unlike before

shadowhunter15:
My only other question is is there a Kenyan site where Nigerians are in Kenya's business like this lol? What's the point on going on a nairaland forum and acting shocked when Nigerians defend their country. What's the point on going on a Nigerian forum and berating Nigeria 24/7. You guys keep saying you want to change your subject but you can't. You need to prove to Nigeria that your country is better, but why? Most Nigerians here wouldn't be visiting Kenya. There is no purpose? Why is it so important to prove that your country is better? Are you getting paid to promote tourism in Nigeria ? You claim you are here to defend your country from Nigerians, but to be bluntly honest Kenya hardly gets mentioned in nairaland. Nigerians are too busy cursing Nigeria left and right to really think of other African Nations like that. If you want an honest and objective debate why not try the Nigerians actually living in Kenya? I don't even think Nigerians think of African countries like that aside from SA and the ones nearby. I would imagine this is the same with Kenya, so why so many of you guys here?

mtis:

Then i gather that maybe Nigeria dont have that manufacturing thingy they keep on bragging about here...Coz serious what are they afraid of...An about having a bigger (180 m strong) market is a serious joke..180 m people with 60% poverty rate is not that great

kayfra:
Nice writeup OP.

Good facts presented. We are simply too broke to undertake both Infrastructure and People development. We need to grow our economy first and then focus on social issues like human capital next. We have no money.

Jay254:


You are just throwing words and Ideas left right and Centre with lack of information what AFCFTA is. Please read what it is about before sounding more stupid.

Goods to be traded has to have originality from African countries and not assembled... Each is allows to protect 10% of it's infant industries...

kikuyu1:
Not being a pro pic spammer I rely on hard facts and figures proving the contention of the title of this thread-that Kenya is actually ahead of Kenya.



https://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFKBN1GZ0TK-OZATP

Very very real development has happened in Kenya-so real in fact Kenya of 2018 and Kenya 2010 are 2 entirely different countries. Our poverty rate is now in the low 30s. A lot of work ofc must still be done but at this rate Kenyan poverty will be history within my lifetime.

TayserMahiri:


What are the chances that your leadership will get things right in 10-20 yrs and make Nigerian industries favorably compete? It doesnt look like it even in 100 yrs. Things involving governance in your country carefully follow the law of entropy. They only get worse.

But you are right, Kenya cant wait to gain unfettered access to that giant market. You need to open up and test the waters, might even turn out to be good. Just a point of note, your argument borrows straight from the Tanzanian school of thought. They have been opposed to total integration of the EAC because they want to join it at a time when their economy is at par with Kenya's. So we have been on this wild goose chase for decades. If you think there is a time when you will be ready, forget it ! It will be much worse if (even if by sheer luck) the AfCFTA works because it has the potential to make economies in the member states catapult themselves due to the market, esp their industries. In 20 yrs the industries in most African countries might've become too strong for you. Imagine what a country like SA, Egypt or Kenya would do with a 1.2 billion market. This is something that any sane person should support. Your leaders are so short sited that some are worried about lost tariffs instead of seeing the bigger picture.

Btw, the speech made by Obasanjo has to be the best. He had no chills for Bubu and Co. Brainy old man !

TayserMahiri:


You have a 180 million market and you are given the offer of 1.2 billion and still you choose the 180 million? Dont let Trump deceive you. Africans need to come together at least for once and see what they can do.

254tobby:


Look at this pot calling the kettle black.

Do you know the meaning of GDP?
Were you taught economics in the relevant learning institutions or is it that your tutor misled you by default?
Don't raise some compromises here.

GDP is the total income production of all goods and services produced by citizens in a particular country irrespective of their nationalities.

So how does your services outside your country constitutes part of the Gross Domestic Product?
Those services which you guys remit to other countries forms part of the Gross National Product GNP,not GDP neither.
And as for the case of south Africa,its the only country that's truly and verifiably known to be the real giant of the continent,even the world knows that,you can dispute it with your own bitterness and salivate jealousy and also pluck some egoism to give yourselves many titles as possible,no one will be damn bothered.
Don't be a learned fool with your statement of model thinking of 'i know everything'.

sufferNsmiling:
Nigeria (GDP) is was worth $405.10 billion and Nigeria is Owing $287 billion.
Nigeria is owing China $65 billion at the end of December 2016.
Today we are owing China + $72 billion .
42% off money you spent in Nigeria go to pay the Debt back.
So want good is the GDP.

Jay254:


You are talking as if Nigeria is a Somalia, you guys have the biggest economy in African How did you get there.

This Agreement will grow all african countries but how quick people grow will depend on how countries package themsalve.. It will push Entrepreneurs and Investors to different heights because they will be dealing with much larger population and different dynamics.

If Nigerians can't trade with other countries in Africa they should also remain in their country and make it prosperous. Currently you are running away from your shithole and yet you claim you want to make it better.

Jay254:


S.A is not a coward like the sleeping giant. Just wait for death men.

Jay254:


What you don't know is that America comprises of 52 states.. Africa has 54 states.. what made america America is coming together of all the states to make one market.. Mexico refused and right now they are dying to cross to America.

Despite Nigeria having the largest economy in Africa, Africas GDP is still ajoke compared to world major economies.. We need one Africa to expand our abilities.

Nigerian companies have agreat potential to sell to the whole of africa and especially West Africa. The agreement also protect the infant industry of a country where by only movement of 90% of goods is allowed and 10% infant industries to be protected..

Nigeria has minor issues that your politicians make them look like mountain.
In 2002 Kenya had power rationing, poor healthcare, poor infrastructure, lack of piped water... 10years later we started exporting power to our neighbours, healthcare greatly improved not to mention infrastructure.

WAKE UP GIANTS.

MduZA:


SA signed...

Jay254:
How can awhole 'Giant' not join with other Africans in building one africa.. Nigeria is adisgrace to Africa, Giant my foot.#AfCFTA

TayserMahiri:


Yes I do.
Why are you people opposed to it?

TayserMahiri:


One day, Dangote will buy the whole of Nigeria and make Nigerians squatters

gallivant:
Then they can buy our refined oil. We have an overcapacity.

Billyonaire:
Anything that comes into this country is being championed as if it is strange. I have been using such Accounts Aggregation platforms in the US for the past 10 yrs so why is all these noise ?

It is okay that it is being done here, cos each time I have time to walk into the banks here I always challenge them to integrate specific modules that are efficient cash management solutions here and the bank managers will look at me as if I just come from Mars.

I still want them to automate our banking and Stock Markets so young boys and girls in this country can trade on the real forex and not the scam and MMM. Kids in other countries can sit at home and trade on penny stocks and become millionaires but here they are forced into Yahoo Yahoo when there are a lot financial solutions that can turn young minds to billionaires within some months or years as long as they can study and learn.

You know what ? I am out of here.

Obi1kenobi:
No point disputing the fact about Nigeria's lack of natural beauty. Especially the tropical and sub-equatorial South of the country which is mostly flat, densely-forested lowlands (and swampy wetlands) where every wild space is overgrown with thick weeds, the water is turbid and discolored (even without man-made pollution which is considerable), big-game wildlife is scarce or extinct, population distribution is dense, and climate is unpleasantly hot and humid.
The North of the country has far more beautiful natural landscape with its hills and open savannah grasslands and woodlands and you can better appreciate leisurely outdoor activities.

Apart from the lack of natural beauty, Nigerians aren't particularly artistic people (our religious madness contributes to a culture that doesn't value humanistic pursuits). Architecture is rather perfunctory with no real artistry or attention to detail. Council housing estates in the UK or even in Soweto in South Africa where the poor and unemployed and welfare scroungers live are better better designed than many high-brow areas of Lagos where even the richest live. Don't even get me started on the public infrastructure, either decaying or non-existent (no central sewage, no public waterworks, open gutters/drains, pot-holed roads, no rail etc). Nigeria's infrastructural deficit is absolutely massive, estimated at about $3trn. I'm not sure why this thread keeps dragging on interminably. The premise is correct that Kenya is more developed than Nigeria. Anyone who has ever been to Kenya knows that.

Obi1kenobi:
No point disputing the fact about Nigeria's lack of natural beauty. Especially the tropical and sub-equatorial South of the country which is mostly flat, densely-forested lowlands (and swampy wetlands) where every wild space is overgrown with thick weeds, the water is turbid and discolored (even without man-made pollution which is considerable), big-game wildlife is scarce or extinct, population distribution is dense, and climate is unpleasantly hot and humid.
The North of the country has far more beautiful natural landscape with its hills and open savannah grasslands and woodlands and you can better appreciate leisurely outdoor activities.

Apart from the lack of natural beauty, Nigerians aren't particularly artistic people (our religious madness contribute es to a culture that doesn't value humanistic pursuits). Architecture is rather perfunctory with no real artistry or attention to detail. Council housing estates in the UK or even in Soweto in South Africa where the poor and unemployed and welfare scroungers live are better better designed than many high-brow areas of Lagos where even the richest live. Don't even get me started on the public infrastructure, either decaying or non-existent (no central sewage, no public waterworks, open gutters/drains, pot-holed roads, no rail etc). Nigeria's infrastructural deficit is absolutely massive, estimated at about $3trn. I'm not sure why this thread keeps dragging on interminably. The premise is correct that Kenya is more developed than Nigeria. Anyone who has ever been to Kenya knows that.

vengertime:
Old fooll keep quite you pulled out of Africa free trade. so advice yourself first anu ofia

MotoringNigeria:
Police in Tempe, Arizona, are investigating a fatal crash involving an autonomous Uber vehicle, according to a report from ABC15.

The report claims Uber’s self-driving car was in autonomous mode when it hit a woman early Monday morning. She was walking in the street outside designated crosswalks, and later died from her injuries at a local hospital.

According to ABC15, an Uber spokesperson told the station the company is aware of the incident and is cooperating with the investigation. Uber also issued the following statement to TechCrunch: “Our hearts go out to the victim’s family. We are fully cooperating with local authorities in their investigation of this incident.”

The New York Times reports that Uber is suspending autonomous vehicle testing in Tempe, Pittsburgh, San Francisco, and Toronto.

Though this isn’t the first accident to involve an autonomous vehicle, Uber’s self-driving car may be the first to kill a pedestrian.

More incidents like these might erode the public’s hard-won trust in the vehicles, and may slow their widespread adoption. That may ultimately be bad news, because experts believe that autonomous cars will save lives by eliminating the cause of 94 percent of traffic accidents: human error.

We will update this article as more information is available.
References: ABC15, TechCrunch

https://www.abc15.com/news/region-southeast-valley/tempe/tempe-police-investigating-self-driving-uber-car-involved-in-crash-overnight