rvp2017:
There is big difference btw Lagos or Nigeria slums with say kenya/Nairobi slums. Nairobi slums - people have regular supply of power - water - internet - TVs- and emerge out of it mostly smartly dressed. They are just slums because the land is owned by gov and people cannot invest in building anything but iron sheet sharks. Nigeria slum cities is something else..

And slums ocuppy 5% of Nairobi land - the other 95% is okay.

FACT:Nairobi people living in slums generally lead better qualify of life than average Lagosian

Really doubt that.Average (middle class)lagosians if electricity is non frquent and water supply is sporadic have the purchasing power to buy generators and build boreholes. They live in better houses as well. C’mon why are you comparing the poor to middle class. Now maybe if you compare the poor of Lagos and Nairobi you might have a point.

I’ve watched documentaries on Kibera, it’s nothing to write home about. Some of the houses were made of clay.. I was crying...

rvp2017:
Plans are just that. GDP is not "eaten". First plan to collect some taxes and you may have the muscle to execute those plans. How can Nigeria ran on 28B usd budget? and Lagos with 3B?Nigeria GDP don't make sense to me or anybody else. I understand South Africa & Egypt GDP - those are solid gdp figures backed by empirical data. Whatever Nigeria stats office cooks as GDP- is pure VOODOO!!! Nobody believe its - not Nigeria - not foreign investors - you don't see them flocking to Nigeria like they do to Kenya & Nairobi - they just come for Nigeria oil and nothing more.

Again speaks about now...and if you must go to the future..talk about stuff that are on ground...under construction. Otherwise 20 yrs ago Nigeria talked big about Eko City - and now it just one lonely skyscrapper.

Ethiopia - with Addis & Tanzania - with Dar - are definitely growing and will provide competition to Kenya & Nairobi. That I can't deny. But Kinshasa, Kampala, Lagos are dead as dodo.

Angola & Luanda can teach Nigeria how to use Oil money. Such a shame that country as barren as kenya with zero minerals can beat a giant like Nigeria.

Lots of foreign investors come to Nigeria. Just look how South African companies were flooding to come to Nigeria. Nissan,Kellogg’s,Porche, SAB Miller, Nestle, Unilever, La Farge, Samsung and many more are in Nigeria. Recently Microsoft opened a customer care location. Mark Zuckerburg invested 24 million dollars in Andela(local tech company). Nigeria received the highest foreign investment in the tech sector in Africa in 2017 with Kenya and South Africa close behind. Mind you, Lagos’ economy doesn’t revolve around oil in no way- yet investors from all around the world are flocking to Lagos.i don’t understand how Lagos can be dead if it’s just starting to realize it’s potenial. There are lots of multinational companies in Nigeria even before Kenya started getting the spotlight
Have you heard of Jumia(first tech billion dollar startup company in Africa)?It was founded in Nigeria..


Nigeria is a huge consumer market, largest in Africa. Naturally companies will be tripping over themselves to get a share of this market.
When u talk about consumer goods, Nigeria’s the place to be...

And most of the projects we’re talking about are not funded by the government but by private investors with deep pockets who see the potential of Nigeria and investing rightly so. Even the Lekki deep sea port was initiated by private investors. Eko Atlantic has nothing to do with Government.Private Companies are funding these projects. Hence these projects are more likely to succeed because the government doesn’t have a hand in it. The projects are purely profit driven.

Angola had major issues with corruption related with oil. I mean just look at the richest female there and you’ll understand.

What happened to Kibera in Nairobi(one of the biggest slums in Africa).

Lagos has makoko.. slums are a natural phase worldwide when it comes to growing/ developing cities.

New York wasn’t as glamorous as it is today. People lived in horrific conditions with shabbily constructed tenements ...makes one cry(if you see the pictures).

London was a place of filth in its earlier days.

Urban renewal programs were essential in removing these slums along with massive investments in social housing...

The faster Lagos and Nairobi act on removing these slums, the better the image for these future global cities...

rvp2017:
Nairobi skyscrappers under development or those approved - are straggering. Don't even think Eko City or Lagos has any chance of getting to Nairobi. If already Nairobi has more skyscrappers - wait for another 5yrs - when we will have more than double that. Nairobi is destined to challenge Joburg and Cairo..for big city. Not mega slum metropolis like Lagos or Kinshasa.

Nairobi is building 70 floor 300m plus skyscraper that will be Africa tallest building by FAR. And that is not all...

They’re already plans for buildings taller than that in eko Atlantic and centenary city
U realize with Lagos having a bigger economy than ur country, there’s far more potential in Lagos than Nairobi(although I see Nairobi as a future hub). Lagos will catch up. Eko Atlantic alone(apart from the other cities in construction in Lagos) will house more than 1000 scrapers. As u saw eko Atlantic is virtually empty, let’s wait till Eko Atlantic grows(next 10 yrs). In 2030, Nigeria’s economy is expected to exceed 1 trillion. Kenyan and Nigerian comparisons wouldn’t make sense then(that’s if we solve some of our issues)

With the growth of Ethiopia, it poses some strong competition to Kenya in the future...

Mzansian:


I just gave you 2017 stats from SA and you are giving me stats from when ? . Update your knowledge, SA is not a stagnant country. We learn from our yesterday and plan for our tomorrow.

I based all my stats on 2015... the one that appeared first on google... but yea huge HIV issue in South Africa same as Botswana. Hopefully they’re tackled especially for a small country like Botswana with a small workforce.

rvp2017:
We are talking dollars..not NAIRA. First you're what - 30yrs behid kenya - in freely floating NAIRA - and buying dollars or forex in Nigeria is such a hassle - with black market and all that. In fact if I use the real exchange rate as opposed to official - then you guys will be worse off.

What is LAGOS budget? If federal budget is 28B USD against Kenya 29B USD - trust me if I tell you Lagos budget is probably what? 3B USD - that is not enough to pay teachers salaries I bet.

Dangote has done well but he is nothing in kenya - he has business in Kenya. Of course it's impressive what he has done - and that probably the only shinning light in Nigeria.

Nothing in Kenya...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5XJz71-55o

He has plans to establish a cement factory in Kenya I believe... but complained about the corruption
Corruption is killing Africa..

Mzansian:



He is just being a typical Nigerian , talking about something he knows nothing about. SA life expectancy is 64 years.

http://www.cabsa.org.za/South-African-Life-Expectancy-Rise-1072017

Nwoke37 educate yourself.

Here’s a screenshot. Tell me if ur unable to open it...

[img]https://drive.google.com/open?id=1scLMhJePBYU8IhGBuTlShk-BZOKfimqj[/img]

If you look closely that one skyscraper is actually 2 skyscrapers with a pool right next to them. The plan is to build 3 more there.the name of the project is eko pearl. In the background there’s 3 residential buildings currently standing and yet to be finished in the eko energy estate.

This isn’t in the picture but the left of eko pearl is another tower called afren tower fully built... it was the first tower in eko Atlantic

This also isn’t in the picture but just to the bottom of the eko pearl project is the azuri peninsula project in the marina district. Currently 3 towers are up and under construction 26 floors each

With the downturn of the economy in 2015/2016/2017 projects that were expected to be done have been stalled. But since the economy picked up since the later half of last yr we should expect more projects to come aboard and start construction

But as u can see the infrastructure is well laid and is still expanding with quality roads, street lighting, underground fiber optic network, 24/7 power, as well as piped water, and top notch underground sewage and drainage network.(Notice how everything will be underground;we won’t have to see ugly power masts with lines/cables above ground. )The typical Nigeria we know of today won’t be present in this city(and other cities under construction). They haven’t finished the reclaiming of land. So expect more land. I don’t even think the land is halfway to what will be there. The water canal is still being worked on and expect water in that circle in the marina district

Keep in mind that this is a private development. The federal government or Lagos government barely has a say or hand in this. Whatever happens is at the whim of private investors

rvp2017:
What is that in 2018? Like seriously .Nigeria has to wake up - pay and collect taxes. I mean the 28B is mostly from oil taxes - and has to be shared by 36 states!! The more I probe - the more I am shocked.
Please take Bill Gates advice seriously - pay taxes - and we may kick polio out - let's not even worry about other stuff for now - LEKKI deep sea port of 1.5BB grin grin grin - what hell is that
If you GDP is 400-500B - what is 1B dollars - I mean kenya has about 75-80B USD GDP - budget now nearly 30B per annum - and nobody talks about 1B usd! That is pocket change. Kenyatta family alone are planning 50B USD city on their private land.

States have their own budgets...

Jay254:


You seems to be very young in this world, and you think the world revolves around Lagos...

Currently Nairobi has more towers above 20floor than Lagos and Eco combined.. Nairobi at 44 while eco and lagos at 36..
http://www.skyscrapercity.com/#/topics/1775594?page=20
You keep talking about proposed cities and project in Naija as if they are final products. My friend if every African country shows you thesame you will be shoked.

But we are mature enough to know not all will see the light of the day, and patient enough to wait for the execution.

Not proposed cities, they’re currently under construction as we speak... with investors ploughing solid cash into it

rvp2017:
Lekki deep sea port -- yeah long overdue - considering for the "giant" - our Mombasa port [The fourth busiest port in Africa] throughput is equal to all current Nigeria ports combined. And in Kenya we are building another port - deep sea port in LAMU - which combined with roads and ralways is 20B USD plus investments.As for Cententary city - that is DEAD ON ARRIVAL. At least EKO city 10 yrs later is desolate lonely place with one skyscrapper - but the Abuja centenary was dead ab initio.

Quick comparison of LAMU deep sea port and Lekki deep sea port - LAMU will have depth of 18meters - Lekki have seen 16.5-19m - and 3 berths of LAMU are nearly ready.

There’s currently 9 scrapers in Eko Atlantic. Some finished, some in construction. And more are coming. Centenary city started 2014/2015... so no comparison to eko Atlantic.

U forget the three other deep seaports coming up across the country... Badagry deep seaport, Bakassi deep sea port, and Ibaka deep seaport.

I don’t know why I’m comparing Nigeria to Kenya. Just look at Kenya’s gdp per capita. Yes, Kenya has made some nice progress (kenya is ahead of Nigeria in some affairs)and I wish more for this country. But ultimately Nigeria’s too big to compare at least in the long run.

Currently we’re facing issues, but you must realize once Nigeria gets its governance issues settled... this comparison would have no tangible base

What happened to konza technology city? After all these years... only one building in construction

samsobo24:
" Nairobi beats Lagos in all aspects "
Pls I don't have time for any kind of argument, but to massage your Ego.A quick look at the super- mega upcoming projects in Lagos plus its huge infrastructure on ground scattered all over the state gives an impression that the city is truly improving rapidly
Pls type whatever you want to but pls don't quote me

Don’t mind the guy, we’re building the biggest and deepest seaports in Africa, and some of the most advanced cities in the world. I mean the developer who developed the Dubai downtown, who built the tallest skyscraper in the world is developing centenary city in Abuja...

The guy is acting like all the projects will be on skyscrapercity...

rvp2017:
The federal states in the giant depend on the federal allocation - so there is the race to inflate population everywhere - Lagos real population is about half what is stated officially - and so like GDP - everything in Nigeria is fake - except the petrodollars that nobody knows where it goes.I mean in Angola - after only 10yrs - you can see the transformation the petro-dollars has done - but not for the giant who count Nollywood moves as GDP

If you check the federal budget - the total allocation to 36 states I think is around N450B - which is mere 150B kshs (1.5B dollars) - I think kenya devolve more than that - about 300B kshs (or 3 b dollars).

Nobody pays taxes in Nigeria - so you can imagine what teachers or army people earn?. Nobody pays for electricity or water - so all utilities companies are bankrupt - and country runs on a generator - has no sewer systems or pipe water to speak of - worse than even the poorest countries.

A giant mess.

There's no need for Lagos to inflate its population even as the federal government is reducing its allocations to the state as Lagos is becoming more self-sustaining. Lagos is also planning to have 3,000 mw that is 24 hrs, uninterrupted power for its citizens in the next 5 years- hopefully, other states follow its lead.

As Nigerians, one of the characteristics that define us is our sense of optimism. When you're at Nigeria's level, the only way to go is up. Currently, we're building new smart cities from scratch to challenge the best cities in the world. Nigeria has some of the richest people on the continent. Our entertainment industry(movies and music) currently also dominates the continent. We currently have a booming tech sector. Nigerian companies are all over the continent. We supply aid to our west African brothers when they're in need.We're currently in the process of diversifying our economy away from oil. And we have the largest economy in Africa.

Despite our enormous challenges, we've made some big wins. Now imagine if Nigeria had a more functional government across all tiers. Hopefully, we'll get there.

The giant sleeps...

Jay254:


Bill Gates said they are among the few countries with the lowest percentage of tax collection vs GDP around 6%. Nigerians life expectancy my be worse than Somalia... Healthcare in Nigeria is almost dead.. I honestly and deeply cry for the Giant.

Nigeria and Somalia's life expectancy are approximately the same at around 55 years(very, very low, especially for Nigeria's status). Now to be fair, South Africa's life expectancy is 57 years(still very low).

Nigeria's low tax yields lead to low, poor services provided by the government. The current government is trying to tackle this problem(though at a later time due to the recession) through the VAIDS program, which is trying to widen the tax net. If more initiatives like this continue even after this present government, Nigeria would be on its way...

We need more concrete roads in Nigeria... They are more durable than the asphalt roads we have here in Nigeria that have potholes all over the place.

samsobo24:
Arinzeejikonye
Uzzolik

Give us more info about the centenary city and other similar projects

Heard it was shrouded in corruption by politicians... Seems like its offline... Can't even find centenary city on the investors website...

hopefully, the project will restart..

Corruption needs to tackled seriously in Nigeria. We're sacrificing progress for the benefit of a few.. sad situation

mtis:
Look at that scenery. Got agree that Kenya is very beautiful country…An yes w’ll talk about the white dude later

Big deal... he came to Nigeria too. Zuckerberg and some of these other white businessmen are smart people. They're looking into the future seeing where the next big opportunity lies for their products.. and investing rightly so

ICAMETOWIN:
when will all these childishness stop? we claim giant of Africa but only a picture of a train station in Jo' burg or Capetown will make us cover our head in shame,do we even have a single world class city in Nigeria?

My dear, not even the great Abuja can compare to South African cities. Our cities are glorified villages. It’s sad and reflects the lack of progress made in the country.

Still waiting for centenary city...
Sadly that’s been shrouded by corruption

Had a dream about president buhari too. I don’t think he’s half bad. There’s good in him

Reminds me of Sams Club... in America

heendrix:
still looking tartard and sub standard as they always were

well over to the #ambode is not joking crew

They need to clean the roads

adenine02:
They should please televise the feeding

Lol . Una no go kee person o

shervydman:

Nigeria n Africa is called #shit_hole not because of roads or whatever but because of d mentality of its people n leaders.

Quality roads are a result of good leaders. If we had good leaders they would invest in good roads. But yea, roads are not the main reason Nigeria is a shithole.

samsobo24:
On the completion of the lekki sea port, the lekki free trade zone ( Dangote refinery, Fertilizer treatment plant etc )
The lekki International airport
The Cities in lekki:
Orange island
Imperial international business city
Lekki smart city and other landmark projects

It will surely be the most developed region in Africa

Notice how these places in the pics look really first-world. Those roads are of really high quality and are kept clean. They simply look beautiful. If Lagos and indeed Nigeria had more roads like these, No one would dare call Nigeria a shithole.

samsobo24:
On the completion of the lekki sea port, the lekki free trade zone ( Dangote refinery, Fertilizer treatment plant etc )
The lekki International airport
The Cities in lekki:
Orange island
Imperial international business city
Lekki smart city and other landmark projects

It will surely be the most developed region in Africa

Notice how these places in the pics look really first-world. Those roads are of really high quality and are kept clean. They simply look beautiful. If Lagos and indeed Nigeria had more roads like these, No one would dare call Nigeria a shithole.

tiwiex:

Nigeria won't move forward until we start telling ourselves the truth. We seem to pride ourselves in failure. Nigerians should find time to travel to other African countries and be amazed. They might not have the money we have which makes it all the more amazing. I mean Ethiopia manufactures fibre optics cables. They have their own airline. Then someone will come and argue that Dangote can buy Ethiopia and its airline. True but is it a thing of pride? How does Dangotes money help me and you? Why does he have so much and many Nigerians still feed on less than a dollar? OK oh. Make we dey boast over mediocrity.

Guy Nigeria Dey manufacture cable too. U never hear of cutix cable?

Krucifax:


It's the same thing with places like Banana Island and parts of Lekki. The youngsters on here are busy shouting about how it's a great development for Lagos and are busy fighting online tribal wars. What they fail to realise is that it's a development for the super rich elite which represents less than 1% of the total population. When they start selling the properties having an Olu,Ola,Ade etc as part of your name or being born and bred in Lagos doesn't equal to you getting one inch of land or one cement block in the property. It's is reserved for multimillionaires and billionaires from "anywhere" in the world.
If half of the money used in Eko Atlantic had been spent on creating more rail tracks, better roads,sorting the apapa port road mess, improving electricity, building affordable housing, more security,better refuse collection,more hospitals,small loans to market women then it would have been a great development for Lagos. This is a vanity project aimed at creating more wealth for the already stupendously wealthy. Most other Nigerians can only look but not touch,regardless of your tribe or state of origin.

What about places like Dubai, where the ultra-rich of the world live and spend lavishly? Lagos and indeed Nigeria needs this city. Our cities are nothing but glorified villages. Nigerians love travel to cities like London and Dubai to take pictures; why can't we have those type of cities in Nigeria? Eko Atlantic will boost the reputation of Lagos and ultimately Nigeria on the world stage. Who will look at Eko Atlantic and call it a shithole? Anyways, It's a private sector development so the Lagos state gov. doesn't have to pay kobo.

Psoul:
These are the ppl that are making things difficult for us in this country. Wen the International communities especially the World Power see things like dis, how do u expect them to agree to render any help to us wen we say we are poor and need international support. They will only come to take from us knowing that there is so much money here and the ppl don't kw what to do wt it.

Poor people are everywhere... Nigeria is a middle income country, also a top 10 producer of oil in the world. You should be calling out to your government not international aid... Nigeria is not that poor

deomelllo:

is the new buses that will be used?

CNN interviews Bill Gates concerning Nigeria
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/26/africa/bill-gates-nigeria-buhari-intl/index.html

Men.. if you look at that video, you will weep. Nigeria looks worse than Somalia there...

Sometimes, I'm ashamed to be called a Nigerian. When will we get things right..

.... No words

Just realized Lagos could be more organized if we remove keke and street traders