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1stGenAmerican:
The passport that the UK confiscated says 41.

Passport said 21. The 41 was obviously an error from the uk website.

CheapHomes1:
You haven't answered the question.

Is going to jail in the UK part of what he achieved for himself?

Anyone can sit in their holes and talk down on others courtesy of cheap internet these days; talk is cheap! You or anyone in your entire family or village, go and become a house of assembly member make we see.

CheapHomes1:
Where you there? This is from the charges filed:

Did you read what I wrote at all?...

Ddworld:
Mr. Data,

So sad you lack basic reasoning. The passport showing the boy's age at 21 is enough reason to left the man off the hook except the document is being forged. This can be verified easily at the immigration office without sueing them.

Information that can be gotten easily why then sue them? Calling them to appear as witness is totally from sueing them. Why sue them?

I can understand your lack but this desperation is totally rubbish. You need to develop your brain. It will definitely help you.

Infact this sue will be more interesting because I am only interested in his birth certificate and maybe everything will be clearer. I believed all this beating around around the bush by his big coat lawyers is to his the fact that Ekweremadu helped that boy to get his P. Till then, try to always learn

Someone with zero iq is asking me to go and learn. Smh!

Funflipper:
Besides the age, wasn't he induced to give up his kidney? Ekweremadu is done!

Let's watch and see how they woukd prove that. Let's watch and see how they would charge him for an act which happened in Nigeria, and which isnt against any known Nigerian laws

addictiv:
I just saw another letter online where he said David was going to donate his kidney. However he also stated that he will be providing funding for the expenses. Which makes him guilty of this charge....

Conspiracy to arrange and/or facilitate the travel of another person with a view to exploitation

Do you know the meaning of the word exploitation?

Someone willingly offers to donate a kidney to my ailing child; I gladly offer to pay for all medical expenses and flight tickets. Is that what you call exploitation?

What a laughable logic!

BigIyanga:
Lol.. blocked head argument. Crime was about to be committed on UK soil. It was plotted and to be executed on their land. The law is charging you for the INTENTION to commit a crime before it happens.. Their case is too egregious that Ibori and Alamaseigha were considered less evil and granted bail lol

Let's watch and see who the blocked heads really are.

Ddworld:
Wait. It's either you are deluded like the lawyers or just plain stupid.

Dragging bank and other agencies is pointless. No need to drag this further. July 1st is here already. Come back and continue your blabbing.

Maybe it is the bank that gave birth to the boy. Till then, we will know who is more folly between you or his lawyers.

If you happens to be a lawyer. I will guarantee you it will be a miracle for you to win a case. If someone is accused of falsifying age, is it the bank's fault? You are indeed a lawyer. Very DAFT

Wondeeful! Ddworld is the smartest brain in town, everyone else is daft and stupid. You should be clapping for yourself!

Someone tells me they are 21 and they show me a national ID card and passport which confirms their age as 21. If peradventure it turns out to be that their age was falsified in those original national documents, I cannot legally be held responsible if I had permitted them into an establishment which allows only patrons that are 21+. If I am dragged by the authorities, I will simply cite the national documents they provided as my main defence and direct the court to the passport and ID issuing agencies.

The above is common sense, but unfortunately, you dont seem to possess the basic IQ to grasp the logic behind dragging the bank and NIS and NIMC into this case. No point explaining to you further cos if you dont still get it, you wouldnt get it in a million years. Keep insulting, everyone's a dunce except you... Goodnight

Funflipper:
Besides the age, wasn't he induced to give up his kidney? Ekweremadu is done!

The burden of proof will be on the prosecution. Besides, Nigeria doesnt have any law against payment for organ donation. So it would be interesting to see how a Nigerian living in Nigeria would be charged under UK law for an act which was done in Nigerian and which is not illegal in Nigeria.

BigIyanga:
Beer parlor argument no dey work. He wrote to the embassy. he paid for everything. He’s a senator and ex deputy senate president. He wields so much power and influence. He’s a lion in this case and the boy is sheep. A sheep is of no threat to a lion.

Whatever the case, it's unlikely he will be convicted in the UK for this.

BigIyanga:
You’re the deluded person here. The law is looking at the intent of the act.. They could have falsified his age since the sole purpose of that his passport was to harvest his organs. His WAEC/JAMB/NECO records will show accurate age. DNA will do better than a pasaport procured by the 5th most powerful man in Naija.

This case is about trying to obtain his organ rhru deceit and monetary inducement. Period

As long as it's proven that he isnt a minor, case is closed!

Even if its proven that the boy is a minor, Ekweremmadu can easily claim he wasnt aware the boy had falsified age on his documents. That's probably the reason his lawyers have dragged in the NIS, NIMC and bank to come and defend themselves too for conniving with the boy to falsify his age. Once it's established that all official documentation shows the boy's age as an adult, Ekweremmadu cannot be held responsible for deceiving a minor - again, case is closed.

addictiv:
1. First go and find out what the UK law defines as exploitation.
2. In the letter ekweremadu only stated David is going for a private medical treatment not to donate his kidney. He didn't fully disclose the reason for his travel which already makes him look culpable in the eyes of the law.

Are you sure you read the letter?

BigIyanga:
They’re just like you. This case is not about age. It’s about not obtaining the guy’s consent to harvest his organ.

Harvest which organ? Was it the senator himself that was going to pin him down and slice open his belly to rip out his organ?

The boy isnt an infant, so therefore, just right before the surgery begins, the doctors would brief the boy on what the procedure was about, giving him the full right to opt out if he wasnt happy to continue. How exactly could the Ekweremadus have forced him at that point?

The only case here is his age. If he's a minor, then it can be said that he isnt old enough to sign a consent form at the hospital (so the Ekweremadusmay be accused of exploiting the naivety of a minor). But once it's proven that he isnt a minor, that's the end of the case.

BigIyanga:
Written agreement btw him and ekweremadus.
Agreement that he was fully briefed, he acted under no influence, force, intimidation, and no monetary benefits were offered /promised by Ekweremadus.

What exactly is the evidence that he was forced by the Ekweremadus to board a plane and travel to the UK?

Regarding consent for the surgery, he was free to opt out any time he wanted, even at the point where he was already on the surgery bed; the Ekweremadus couldn't have forced him to undergo the surgery and he is an adult old enough to opt in or opt out any time he wanted. So what exactly is the difference the paper agreement would have made?

Ddworld:
Are you listening to yourself? Shifting blame to who? Did you know how the immigration works? They ask you for documentations. Kindly note they don't documentation that is not their job. You will be attended to based on the information provided. Likewise the bank and Nimc.

The culprit here is the birth certificate and the person who issued it. So, in regards to his lawyers, they are once again a team of deluded humans.


Being 21 or no 21 is another case entirely for the arrested culprits

Apologies but you're actually the one who's deluded here. Take it easy with your bullets, you might just be shooting yourself. Obviously you aren't a lawyer so it isnt your fault that the simple strategy seems outlandish to you.

A man was accused of trying to exploit a minor
His lawyers are trying to get a him off the hook by dragging in different parties to come and testify from their records that the boy isnt a minor. If it's proven that the boy is lying about his age (i.e. if its proven he isnt a minor), the case already favours the senator. But you think the lawyers are daft?

BigIyanga:
Ignorant Naija with oppresor mentality. You’re probably unaware how things work in Cotonu let alone UK.
There is no consent form signed by the victim. Ike is a lawyer and knows about this.
Where is the written agreement btw Ekweremadu and the victim??

Consent forms in such procedures are signed in the hospital. Right until the boy is sedated and the procedure commences, the boy still reserves the right to opt out, even if he had previously signed the consent forms. So what written agreement exactly are you referring to?

Ddworld:
Good or daft? The bank and other agencies acted based on fact. Based on information supplied to them

If he wants to sue anyone, tht should be the people who gave him his birth certificate.

That lawyer is extremely daft

Ddworld:
Nigerians! Can someone held under law sue another entity without first being a free entity? They are under investigation for crying out loud. Let the UK government work and if there is any need to contact the Nigerian government, they will.

These desperation is becoming swthing else. Why will you sue the bank? Are they responsible for the forgery? If you want to sue, let it be the boy. Other agencies acted based on information given to them.

What type of daft humans do we have in this country?

Daft? You really think his lawyers are daft for dragging Nigerian Immigration, NIMC and the bank into the case to be co-defendants? His lawyers are clearly shifting culpability away from the senators head and you think they are daft?

blaise26abj:
They will . They have looked at the case and are trying the ekweremadus for exploitation . It will be hard for them to go scot free . It is alarming that they even have his account number , his Nin etc . That means they were ready to pay him for his kidney . THAT is exploitative . If it’s not exploitative , then why did they start treating him bad after the organ didn’t match ? I can assure you that there are many wealthy people in those climes that have to wait for organ donors like others . If their systems is insane like ours , they would hit the streets and buy organs off homeless people

How did we come to the conclusion rhat they were maltreating the boy? Where did that story come from? Nigerian blogs?

Meanwhile there are 1001 reasons why or ways how they could have gotten his account number. Would be interesting to see how the prosecution would prove this to be a case of 'exploitation' especially if they can't prove the boy was forced in anyway.

nameo:
Where are Tinubu's secondary and Primary school leaving certs or certified true copies(assuming they are "missing" as claimed by some).

What are the names of theze schools sef?

That is the main thing. Nobody really cared about his Univ cert cos he already sunmitted those onez to INEC. What he didnt submit(in fact left BLANK) are his primary and secondary certs

What's your business with his primary school result?

blaise26abj:
Even if he lied, with a good lawyer he will be granted asylum . It’s about threat to his life . He is a poor orphan against a former deputy senate president of a fantastically corrupt country like Nigeria . He can even file for his siblings if he has based on targeting his siblings to get to him .

Well, that's a possiblity. But will they really try to protect him if they establish from investigations that he dishonestly tried to blackmail and screw the senator up?

Chudyfuto:
If he likes ,let him have one million children. If he followed due process and reached an agreement with the guy, oga as for me ,he has no question to answer... Why will he use his children's own when he has the money to obtain from another source legally?

I've asked this same question several times to people who keep asking why he didnt get his other kids to be donors. Firstly, that they are siblings doesnt mean they must be a match.

Secondly, even if they are matches, the siblings have their own rights to refusal; papa and mama cant force the other kids to donate organs to their sibling.

Then lastly and most importantly, if God has blessed me with the financial resources to safely outsource a service, why should I get my hands dirty? Why shouldnt I pay for it?

joyd200:
This writer is oblivious of the real charge against Ike and wife before the UK court. The writer claimed they were arraigned before the Uxbridge Magistrate Court for alleged conspiracy to facilitate the travel of Ukpo, alleged to be a minor, for organ harvesting. This is certainly not true. The writer is only quoting a statement by the Metropolitan Police. A statement from the police in public domain is not same as the charge in the court. The statement may not often present the charge as stated.

According to reports: The charges against them, which already follow "an investigation by the Metropolitan Police’s Specialist Crime team" is as follows:

“[A] Beatrice Nwanneka Ekweremadu, 55 (10.9.66) of Nigeria is charged with conspiracy to arrange/facilitate travel of another person with a view to exploitation, namely organ harvesting.

“[B] Ike Ekweremadu, 60 (12.05.62) of Nigeria is charged with conspiracy to arrange/facilitate travel of another person with a view to exploitation, namely organ harvesting.

In summary, the charges before Ike and wife the have nothing to do with whether David is a minor. The "age issue" or whether they paid him handsomely is not a concern in this case. Infact, paying him commecially to donate organ is by itself a crime in the UK, so the IKe's wouldn't defend based on that. Authentication of age is not a defense in the case before the UK court.

If the age is confirmed by Nigerian investigations, the charges still remain. "Conspiracy to arrange travel of another "person" .... (a person can be adult or minor). That's isn't a mistake. Pls read within lines. Ike and wife may not escape this, except if the charges are later modified and that would involve lots of diplomacy frm the Buhari's govt.

Up to the point where the boy is put to sleep before the surgery, he still had the right to freely opt out of the process. If the boy's contentious age is cancelled out of the equation, how exactly could the prosecution prove that this was exploitation?

blaise26abj:
Either ways that boy gets his asylum . Even if he lied , he now has a legit reason to want asylum . Because if he returns to nigeria , he is good as dead . The way they will deal with him ehn he will wish he was never born .

Now I don’t know why people are castigating the boy . These politicians LIE with their very lives in order to dip their hands into the national treasury causing deaths of people. So he should enjoy the taste of his own medicine . Small thing , they will use their escorts to chase you out of the road , beat you and destroy your car on top . And you CANT do anything . You complain to the authorities , you are locked up . So he and his entire family should face what ordinary Nigerians face on a daily basis .

If it's confirmed that he's lying, bye-bye to that asylum; they wouldnt even think twice before sending him back to Nigeria.

frog12:
actually, i think i know wetin happen. if dem do the suitability test for nigeria, the boy go find out their plan, so dem go do am for far country, so the boy will be stranded and he go dey happy say him dey uk london,etc. but their scam no work out. this na how ekweremadu and saraki scam everyone to become senate president and deputy president. typical igbo scam !!!

There's no way in this world they wouldnt have told the boy what he was going to the UK for. It's pointless hiding it from him knowing fully well that the UK doctors would still explain the procedure (including the risks) to him before commencing the operation. If they truly wanted to 'harvest' his organs without his willingness as several peopleare alleging, they wouldnt have been silly enough to go to the Royal Free hospital in London. There're many shady hospitals in shady countries they would have alternatively taken him to if they wanted to harvest him.

SeriouslySense:
Ya ya, i will be disappointed, they just need to pack of these leaders and throw them to the dustbins. ,

Well, unfortunately they cant pack them up without any clear evidence of misconduct.

CheapHomes1:
Is going to jail in the UK part of what he achieved for himself?

Becoming a senator is an achievement. If it isnt, go and contest for a house of assembly seat in your state let's see how far you can go.

CheapHomes1:
So where would they have harvested the kidney and under what circumstances would the donor be giving out his kidney?

No need for long talks when we dont know the in depth details of the case. Let's just watch and see if they would jail he and his wife. But from bits and pieces of info being released, I thinks its very unlikely that they would be convicted.

frog12:
are you telling us nigeria hospital mess up?

CheapHomes1:
“After conducting various medical tests, the Royal Free Hospital in London decided that the said David Nwamini Ukpo was not a suitable donor because his kidney is not compatible with that of Sonia Ekweremadu"

Shows that no test was done in Nigeria

There's not a chance in the world that they would pay for such a trip to the UK without first testing the compatibility of the boy's kidney first in Nigeria.


Any hospital can mess things up, Nigeria or overseas. This wouldnt be the first time we would hear of a test being positive the first time and showing negative on second check. Even after all prior tests may have confirmed compatibility, the recipient's body may still reject an organ. These things arent 100% efficient.

deepwater:
I think the UK law frowns upon financial / material inducement for organ exchange. This is where the problem lies not actually on his age.

If there is no record or proof of material exchange for the organ then the Ike family might go scout free. But if there exist any material inducement, that one go be big problem.

Organ is not something that is openly traded. Else people would start breeding humans for the sole purpose of organ sale.


Even, u can't use a condemned criminal on death roll for organ exchange without his or her consent.

The law frowns so much on these things, we pray never to be such positions �

I dont think there's any law in Nigeria against paying for organ donation. I doubt the senator can be convicted in the UK for an action which happened in Nigeria and which doesnt break any Nigerian laws.

The only crime of the senator is claiming to have gotten consent from an alleged minor. If it's proven by any means (be it scientific or through documentation) that the boy isnt a minor, that's the end of the case. Even if it's proven that the boy is a minor, the senator with a good defense team can easily free himself by claiming he didnt know the boy was a minor; afterall all his documents proved he was 21

toujurs:
What did ekweremadu achieve? Most of you comment like illiterates on this forum.

You call a gay senator, who couldn't develop his constituents, a man that was beaten close to pulp, because of his dubious character. A man with achievements?. You must be mad. Honestly

You wey you feel say your head correct, go and become a senator let us see.

inoki247:
When I say all this our Politicians no get sense people go think say na Lie...

How can you take someone to UK without confirming the Compatibility of the organ....


No wonder na after dem sign something to Law dem dey read am come dey find way to amend am if I lie check that Electoral act na afta dem sign am dem start to see error..

And who told you they hadnt tested the compatibility in a Nigerian hospital before proceeding to the UK?

The man no get sense but he achieved all that he's achieved for himself. You wey get sense, wetin you don achieve?

therealMcCain:
How did they confirm 21 is the true age?

Do you have international passport?

Did any official verify your date of birth on your BVN/NIN?

They simply accepted what you told them probably backed by sworn affidavit which may or may not have been correct.

People swear affidavit in Nigeria tailored to what they need it for? They lie cos they know there are no consequences to it

My point is the age on BVN/NIN or any Nigerian govt ID is not proof of true age.

Agreed! But please what do you suggest as the proper way to verify age?