₦airaland Forum

richie240:
'Temper', 'Temper'!
You haven't addressed d points I raised in d post nah!
Just in case.......
vvvv

Put holes in what i said ^^^ and Let's leave name-calling and insults for ipob biko,

So you agree the boy in the picture posted here by the Op isnt Obi's son but you believe the one behind a face mask stepping on the flag is Obi's son?

The guy in the picture posted by the Op and the guy standing on the Nigerian flag wear exactly the same outfit, same trouser, same shirt, exactly the same shoe, has exactly the same key/ID strap hanging from his belt, stands on a similar road with similar road markings, trees in the background look exactly the same etc. But for some reason, even with all visual evidence, you do not believe they are the same person. But somehow, without any single shred of evidence or resemblance whatsoever, you believe the person standing on the flag is same as Obi's son?

Put holes in what i said ^^^ and Let's leave name-calling and insults for ipob biko

No I wasn't insulting you (at least not yet); I was only insulting the idiots who sit in their homes and concoct these stupid lies and propaganda simply cos their brains are too useless to think of any other strategy to win elections besides 'pull-him-down' propaganda.

For your own case, I don't think any insult I can bring up will be suitable for you for believing and spreading nonsense even though you know it's false.

richie240:
My gye, there is no doubt that d gye in the pictures shown by d op in this thread is NOT obi's pikin.
The bone of contention is d gentleman who desecrated d Nigerian flag by stepping on it, OK?


1. Were the pictures shown by d op taken on d same day as that of d boy stepping on d flag?

2. The op showed close to 4 different pictures of someone wearing a similar outfit but NONE showed the other protesters.

3. Does d fact that d boy in d pictures shown by d op is dread-locked and wearing a similar attire and standing in front of a polizé mean that they are d same person?

4. The fact that d op has gone D's far to replicate d implicating photo shows that he's trying to be clever by half, and that there is a form of truth to d original story!

The op's effort is a damage control attempt at its best!

I said what I said! Only idiots believed that that fellow in that picture was Obi's son.

Without any single shred of evidence or even any form of resemblance, someone just tells you a masked man is Obi's son, and without any questions, you just swallowed it because you hate Obi? Like I said, it only takes an idiot to swallow shit simply because it fits the narrative of his prejudice against another.

Only idiots believed that that was Obi's son in the first place.

The much bigger idiots are the ones who even after this exposition, will still continue spreading the propaganda that the person in the picture is Obi's son (so many retards exist in this latter category).

Low IQ'd scoundrels sit in their homes and keep concocting falsehoods because their undeveloped brains tell them propaganda is the only way to win elections. Sell your candidate, NO! Advertise your manifestos, NO! but they spend the entire election period concocting stupid propaganda to pull others down.

Attack lasted for 2hours 45 minutes and not a single reasonable response from security forces? If this is true, then the highest authorities were definitely in on it.

zionstaar75:
because we are in a military regime abi?how many senators does labour party have or candidates that will ease the passage of his bills in the house?u guys are just being emotional,the minimum time it can take obi to win presidency(if he ever will is 4years)I laugh at the hopelessness of this myopic aspiration,my own is if anyone speaks about Biafra after election. They should be executed straight!

Oga, not everything a president does requires a 'bill'. Continue to let useless incompetent leaders deceive you with excuses that the NASS is the reason they arent performing.

Officialgarri:
No matter how hurting it is for the nation's wealth, fuel subsidy is one of the few ways that the government is directly giving back to the people.

I still don't know how we were cajoled to protest against fuel subsidy in 2012 (perhaps except for the looting)

What do I mean? Take a look at the price of our deregulated diesel flying high at #810, 850 and above and see the harsh effect on food prices and cost of long journeys.

If Peter Obi has an alternative to fuel subsidy that the world doesn't know of, he should hint us. It would be disappointing to ride to victory using lies

With the right knowledge, skills, experience and wisdom, a president with the political will can bypass the useless administrative bureaucracies which bof down projects in Nigeria and build a brand new refinery in under 4 years. In addition, the existing refineres can also be revamped in under a year to at least supply up to 30% of Nigeria's fuel demand.

If Nigeria can cut it's petroleum products' import by half, the Naira will be strengthened beyond measure, and this can result in a drop in pump prices. So yeah, with a serious and competent president, fuel subsidy can be removed without Nigerians having to pay through their noses. At N162 per litre of petrol, the only reason we still pay subsidy is cos of the deplorable exchange rate.

Okobola146:
see joblessness, go get a job and get busy jo

Seems like your brain is paining you. Did I tell you I didnt have a job?...

Okobola146:
unvague it now, Professor sabi sabi

Unvague what exactly? What you posted was vague; i.e. it didnt exactly make any sense, and you didnt care to even explain your point or your grievance.

But now you ask me to "unvague it"? Am I supposed to be in your head to know what you thinking?

Okobola146:
See what schools are turning into. Our problems are deep-seated, beyond politics.

What are the schools turning into? Your message is vague.

SugarGirl44:
Of course not.
But at the same time you can't hold people down against their wish.

What has this holding down got to do with burning public property? Isnt that just foolishness?

SugarGirl44:
Self actualization has never been a crime.
Biafra people have a right to it, so as the other nations in this forced marriage.
Shame on Unity beggers.

Right to burn public properties?

TooNoisy:
So as usual, one relatively young Peter Obi supporters came to ask me to become Obidient. He mentioned that PDP was the same with APC and we cannot vote both of them. He went on to say Atiku and Tinubu were too old and both don't mean well. The usual story. So I reminded him that he asked me to vote for Atiku in 2019, so I wanted to know what has changed. He went on the repeat the same things he started with and he mentioned Obi was the only one who could save Nigeria. So I asked three questions.

1. What if Atiku/Obi had won in 2019. Would he still be saying the same thing. So if Atiku/Obi ticket which he was pushing won in 2019, would he still be calling Atiku a thief and Obi a saint? His only response was that, we thank God that did not happen. So I asked him if he was wrong for pushing the Atiku/Obi ticket in 2019 and he had no answer.

2. I asked him if APC and PDP are that terrible, why should I vote for a man who has been in PDP for the past 7 years and only left a month ago. This same man was PDP vice presidential candidate when Atiku was sharing dollars in 2019 and he still wanted to be president under PDP up until one month ago when he realised he couldn't win. Again, he had no answer.

3. I asked him if Peter Obi miraculously won the election, and the NASS was controlled by APC or PDP. What does he think will happen next? It will be very clear Peter Obi wouldn't get anything done because he will have a very antagonistic NASS. Labour Party does not have candidates in 80% of the NASS positions and will barely get any senators or reps. So if the NASS is controlled by APC/PDP, then Peter Obi will either get impeached or join the APC./PDP. Labour Party has no structure, no representation, it is a one man show. Peter Obi will probably decamp again to PDP or else get impeached. Again he had no answer.

So he agreed to get back to me when he had the answers to these three questions. May be some Peter Obi supporters on Nairaland have answers to these three questions. Lets wait and see.

Seun, Lalasticlala, Mynd44

The answers to your questions are very simple...

1. What if Atiku/Obi had won in 2019. Would he still be saying the same thing. So if Atiku/Obi ticket which he was pushing won in 2019, would he still be calling Atiku a thief and Obi a saint?

Atiku still remains a thief; that fact hasn't changed to date. The reason most people overlooked his tainted record and supported him in 2019 was because he stood tall as a better alternative to the main contender and president at the time Buhari. Elections are a game of choice between 2 or more people; when the electorate is faced with 2 or more bad choices, they go with who they perceive as a lesser evil (which is what Atiku was in 2019). But in 2023, with Mr Obi now in the race, Atiku no longer stands as the lesser evil. Your boy did no wrong by selling Atiku in 2019 and switching to an even lesser evil in 2023.

2. I asked him if APC and PDP are that terrible, why should I vote for a man who has been in PDP for the past 7 years and only left a month ago. This same man was PDP vice presidential candidate when Atiku was sharing dollars in 2019 and he still wanted to be president under PDP up until one month ago when he realised he couldn't win. Again, he had no answer.

Anyone who understands Nigeria's political space knows that both APC and PDP, and even Labour party are all the same. Nigeria's democracy isnt mature enough to accommodate independent candidates so for a good and credible candidate to run for office, he/she still needs a political vehicle and has no choice than to settle for one of the already polluted parties.

Given these circumstances, the only thing that matters and should be focused upon is the pedigree/reputation/credibility of the candidate themselves, and not the party (except of course we just want to deceive ourselves). The very fact that Mr Obi bluntly refused to be a party to the corrupt dollar bazaar in PDP, and even took a bold step to leave a most promising platform to go into the wilderness, that already speaks volumes on his credibility.

3. I asked him if Peter Obi miraculously won the election, and the NASS was controlled by APC or PDP. What does he think will happen next? It will be very clear Peter Obi wouldn't get anything done because he will have a very antagonistic NASS. Labour Party does not have candidates in 80% of the NASS positions and will barely get any senators or reps. So if the NASS is controlled by APC/PDP, then Peter Obi will either get impeached or join the APC./PDP. Labour Party has no structure, no representation, it is a one man show. Peter Obi will probably decamp again to PDP or else get impeached. Again he had no answer.

Let him win the election first! Then Nigerians will get to understand that the the greatest structure is the PEOPLE; if the masses can be behind a leader, that is the strongest structure any leader can ever have. If Obi as president wants to do something which the people genuinely adjudge to be good, as long as the PEOPLE are behind him, the NASS would be too scared to stand against him.

Now this isnt just some theoretical hypothesis crap, this is something Mr Obi has clearly experienced before and is currently experienced in handling. Mr Obi was impeached twice as governor for refusing to share money to party and house of assembly members. But guess what? Each time the PEOPLE stood by him, he came back stronger.

And should he choose in the future to decamp to whatever party he chooses, that to me (and to every enlightened Nigerian who understands our political space) does not define the man.

Anonymoususher:
For the first time in the history of Nigeria, youths are more politically aware and are taking it upon themselves to campaign for their preferred candidates free of charge.

Obidience movement is gaining momentum by the day.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf5YDp5K348

This is quite commendable; this is a real tirn around from the norm.

What really makes this episode stand out is that the thousands of youths running these campaigns are doing so without any payment whatsoever and without any hope of ever being paid for their efforts. I can't say this for campaigners of the 2 big parties.

In 2023, may Nigeria be visited by that change which we thought was going to happen in 2015. Amen!

Moh247:
The only reason why Nigeria is the richest country interms of resources but poorest in terms of human development index is because of low thinkers that foolishly reason based on emotions


How will a 3rd class Philosophy Graduate of Nsuka, without a single completed projects in Anambra for 8 years, who never conducted LGA election but stole the allocation for 8 years , caught with 250 million cash, and also invested state allocation is his family business when doctors where on strike for 13 months be better than someone who built Lagos when Lagos was abandoned as old FCT



Truly many are very un intelligent and very gullible


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The fact that you harbour the belief that a man called Tinubu built Lagos already speaks volumes on the shallowness of your thought process and IQ.

Ojuntana:
Just shift abeg. Blind being led by the blind.

Blind people usually have a heightened sense of hearing; but the worst form of blindness is the type where the individual is deaf and blind. Your case unfortunately is irredeemable.

The Lekki deep seaport is a project conceptualised and initiated by the LASG. Whether they bring in investors from far and wide to see the project through, or whether the FG through NPA gets to eventually manage the port is inconsequential; someone owns the project and that someone is the LASG.

I see you talking about 'Exclusive List' as if you even know what it means. Airports are also under the exclusive list and airport operations are managed by FG agencies like FAAN, NCAA, NAHCO etc; but you'd simply be spewing blind ignorance if you go to the airports at Umuleri or Asaba or Uyo and claim those airports arent state government projects.

I'm not even sure why anyone would want to dispute or argue over this; probably driven by some silly tribal or political sentiments.

aribisala0:
It is neither a LASG nor FG project in terms of funding
The ownership of the project is over 50% China using the instrumentality of CHEC

Lagos state has equity based on the land it provided and the FG has equal equity with LASG
The concept is a LASG concept presumably

The project was conceptualised and initiated by the LASG. Whether they brought in 1 million investors to invest in the project is inconsequential; the project must belong to someone and in this case, the project is a Lagos state government project, period!

Ojuntana:
The seaport is being built by FG concessioned to a private consortium.
Lagos state is not building the seaport!

What sort of confident ignorance is this?

Several people have mentioned in this forum that this is a LASG project; even if a person chooses not to believe what they read on this forum, there are numerous verifiable sources on the internet where one could easily get info on things like this. But instead, some people just choose to glorify their ignorance.

No more words for you sir; YES, you're right,the Lekki deep sea port is being built by the FG, not LASG.

ElSudani:
You are straight up lying, this is a big problem with Obi and his supporters. He said in plain English, not lgbo that the $20 million dollars he invested in SAB miller was worth $100 million as at the time he gave the interview which I reckon to be about 4 years ago.
The investment today is worth only $5 million according to the company.
Obi was obviously lying about the value of the investment when he gave the interview.

One of the worst tragedies in life is an educated person who chooses to feign ignorance just because they desperately want to have an argument.

Go and read the report below which clarifies the actual figures. Obi invested in Naira, the sum of N1.96billion, and given the deplorable economic condition in the country in the last 7 years, that investment is currently worth N2.24billion.

https://www.thecable.ng/revealed-peter-obi-administrations-12-24m-investment-in-international-breweries-now-worth-5-38m/amp

With the actual figures now in the open, feel free to return and make further mockery of yourself with nonsense figures. You will be getting no further responses if you do that.

ElSudani:
What figure is fake? Peter Obi himself said it on Camera and the company recently came out to tell us how much the investment is now worth. There's nothing fake about this issue. He made a bad investment with public money, that is the issue not the exchange rate.

Feigning ignorance and dubiously cutting and joining different bits and pieces of info; but at the end you're only making a mockery of yourself.

Obi said $20m to almost $100m. Later this was disputed/corrected to actually be $12m which happens to be $5m now based on today's deplorable exchange rate. Even knowing fully well that the info had already been corrected, you somehow dubiously still picked out the $20m bit and pitched it with the $5m to sell a fraudulent narrative. Such lame attempt at being crafty can only appeal to illiterates. Welldone!

ElSudani:
Obi told us he invested $20 million dollars which we now know it's worth a paltry $5 million. He didn't even mention Naira in the video why are you trying hard so spin it and blame it on the Naira? Anambra people lost $15 million dollars, you may convert that to Naira or I can help you if you wish.

So because he didnt mention Naira in the video, you're not mature enough to run the basic arithmetic of conversion? I thought you were literate?

Ojuntana:
What does state leaders have to do with a sea port

Are state leaders not human? Dont they have financial autonomy? Dont they have uncome/revenue? Are state only meant to steal and eat money and then patch some bad roads?

Who do you think is building the Lekki deep sea port?

ElSudani:
You need to ask Peter Obi because he told us in his own words that he invested $20 million dollars of Anambra people's money.
Why are you telling me about Naira if the man himself told us he invested $20 million?

I thought you all said, and we all agreed, that the figures are fake? So why are you still grasping on to the fake figures? Actual figures were released and turned out to be $12m now $5m. And the reason being the disastrous crash in value of the Naira which isnt Obi's doing.

ElSudani:
$20 million dollars of Anambra state funds is today worth only $5 million dollars and this is success to you?

Oga save your weak and crafty analogy for dumb/ignorant people abeg. Kindly tell us the value in Naira too, and whilst at is, kindly also point out examples of companies within Nigeria whose value has not depreciated in dollar terms in the last 7 years?

ElSudani:
I was talking about the specific investment made by Peter Obi. He had a poor judgment because he lost public funds in a bad investment. Forget the crap about the exchange rate, if your $20 million dollars is now worth $5 million it means you failed.

Do we spend dollars in Nigeria? Was the investment made in dollars? Does it make sense to you calculating the profit and assessing the progress of a local food vendor or street orange seller in dollars?
Does it make any sense to you?

Since you insist you must calculate in dollars, is there any sound human in Nigeria that doesnt know the value of the NAIRA against the dollar has depreciated by over 75% in the last 7 years? Is Mr Obi responsible for that disastrous depreciation in value of the Naira?

With the crash of the Naira from N150/$ to N620/$, can you kindly mention one single company within Nigeria whose value has not depreciated in dollar terms in the last 7 years?

ElSudani:
How much was remitted to the state government since he invested public money in a company in which his family was a shareholder?
Did you know this a conflict of interest issue? Did you know this could be criminal as well?
Tinubu was investigated and exonerated by the EFCC, all the lies you folks are peddling against him will not stick.

Lol... Go and ask the accountant general of the state that question if you need specifics. It is a publicly know fact that the company is still thriving and successful, and it's shareholders havent come out any day to lament that they arent being paid. For every bottle of Trophy or Hero beer you see on bar tables across Nigeria, the shareholders of that company earn returns. Go figure!

Did you say efcc exonerated who? The same efcc we know that even lacks the capacity to send common yahoo boys to jail is the same efcc you want to send politicians with massive financial war chests to jail?

ElSudani:
What misrule? Many people became multi millionaires within that period of time. Many successful start ups within that time. I can mention at least 10 very successful startups within this time but your principal who is supposed to be a good manager invested $20 million of public funds that is now worth a paltry $5 million!
Is this how he will run Nigeria?

So because one or 2 startups thrived under such harsh and degenerative economic conditions, that automatically means the business environment was good?.... For every 1 new millionaire in the last 7 years, 1000 people fell off into poverty, and you think that's a record of success?

Again and again, the argument about $12million investment depreciating to $5 million is nothing but a lame attempt at slander purely meant to deceive illiterate, gullible and ignorant people. The fact of the matter is that that investment has actually grown in NAIRA terms; it's an investment within Nigeria which earns returns in Naira, so if you must assess its success, you must do so in NAIRA terms.

Lastly and very importantly, Mr Peter Obi is not responsible for the crash of the NAIRA from N150/$ at the time of investment to N620/$ which it is today. So any attempt at blaming Mr Obi for the f*ckups of this disaster of a govenment is just a laughable, dubious and divisive attempt at deceit. Culpability must be placed where culpability belongs (and we all know where that is).

ElSudani:
Are you kidding me? What he did was a breach of trust. You can't invest public money in a business in which your family is a shareholder. He would have been impeached or even sent to jail if he did that in other places, including China which he likes to mention.

Breach of which trust? He invested in a viable and thriving company which remits revenue to the state steadily even after he's left as a governor. Who cares if his family also has shares in the company? The company is a limited liability company and anyone, that includes you and I and his family members, have the right to own shares in the company too.

What you should be worried about is, is the company functional? Is the business viable? Is the company remitting dividends to the state?

Another thing you should worry about; in your honest opinion, is Mr Obi worse than the one who rather sold government/public properties to himself at giveaway prices? Also, is Obi worse than the other one who designed schemes through which he controls the resources and entire politics of a state even long after he's left office? Not to talk of forcing government businesses to pay royalties into his personal account steadily? Is Mr Obi worse than these peopl?

ElSudani:
The man who invested $20 million and the investment is now worth barely $5 million.
Not to talk of investing that money in a company in which your family has interest.
If he did that in most of the the countries he likes to reference, he will be sitting in jail right now not running for president.

Better to invest than to steal the money!

Meanwhile the money invested has grown in Naira terms; Mr Peter Obi isn't the one responsible for the bottomless crash of the Naira in the last 7 years (which is what made it look like the investment has depreciated). So its pointless to blame him for that.

And then again regarding the investment, who cares if his family has shares in the company he invested in? Are they not also citizens? That's even more reason he'd ensure the investment is viable, cos if the investment sinks, his family also loses. Besides, is the company not thriving? Is the company not remitting revenue to the state coffers?

He's definitely a better saint than the one who sold government properties to himself and the other one who forces government establishments to pay royalties to his personal account.

BloomingDale:
How far Warri, Calabar, PH, Akwa Ibom port? Una Mumu never do.

2023 is around the corner! Another election year is here again which presents another golden opportunity for people in those states you mentioned to vote in reasonable leaders for their states. But will they?

gaetano:
If you like bring details confirming his age is 21, it doesn't matter. As far as ekweremadu can't provide a signed agreement that the boy actually agreed with the medical procedure, it won't fly. I just want our politicians to suffer small. You can imagine the kind of bills that would have been passed to help improve our health sector by establishing such facility here but instead they loot and send their kids abroad. Wo, I want him to suffer and for the boy to find his way and enjoy his life over there.

No be everytime politicians dey run us street, make person sef run them

Your desire to see the politician suffer unfortunately isnt enough for the Uk authorities to turn logic and due process on its head. Ekweremmadu did not need any signed agreement with the boy; if the boy is confirmed a minor, then yes the parents may have needed to sign before permitting him travel with the Ekweremadus. But if the boy is proven not to be a minor, the written consent becomes useless.

As an adult, the boy had the right of refusal up until the point in the hospital when the doctors were to start the procedure. Except it can be proven that Ekweremmadu pinned him down or chained him to the bed against his will, or maybe they put a gun to the heads of his parents back in Nigeria, I'm not sure how it can be proven that the senator was ripping off his organ against his will or under duress.