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maleekberry:
Story for the gods. Who doesn't know how easy it is to manipulate the system in Nigeria.

Nigeria that doesn't have data bank. Which 22yr old boy go wan dash out his kidney when he never enjoy for this life.

The case looks as if the Ekweremadu wanted to play the boy and the boy later played them.
It's simply a case of fastest fingers First.

Millions of 21 year olds in Nigeria will gladly sell their kidneys for N1million.

immortalcrown:
Does this mean Ekweremmadu is not guilty of any offense? If yes, congratulations to him, and his critics should rest. But if he is guilty in any way, why so much concentration on the boy's age?

Also, why has immigration quickly confirmed the boy's age but may take eternity to confirm the authenticity of the passport used by the boy?

Immigration boss just told you the boy's passport is authentic, and that his age on both his passport and NIN document were confirmed to be 21 (born oct 2000), and you're still here asking for confirmation of authenticity of which passport again?

Iamzik:
In developed societies if you can provide higher education you also provide the lower ones alongside it. Bret kavanaugh and all supreme court justices that were confirmed in USA had all their academic results presented and verified from primary to university.

Is it so much hard work to write the name of your secondary school?

This is the height of hypocrisy

If you apply for masters degree today your secondary school certificate is one of the requirements.

Admit It. Tinubu is not straight forward on his identity, age, educational qualification and source of wealth. Such man is not what Nigeria need in 2023

Yeah he's not straightforward but he's still met the INEC's requirement, so what's all these noise really about?

egghead45:
Has he produced any?

But the Nigerian constitution demands that.

I pity people who sticking their head for BAT. The same man that brought in Buhari to power.
Like suffer no dey tire una.
Just imagine how the agberos will multiply in Lagos. It will be doom.

I'm not in support of Tinubu's candidacy, but likewise I'm not in support of nonsense emotional criticism and politics. It's a known fact that he graduated from Chicago state Uni. Several political opponents have written the school and the school has several times confirmed he studied and graduated in their institution. For someone with a verifiable higher degree, its just pointless and directional politics to dip heads in dirt searching for his primary 6 results. Nigerians need to wake up and start chasing after things of value that truly matter, not irrelevance.

egghead45:
I think you are the greater dummy.
Can you go for a job interview and tell your potential employer that you do not know where your Certificates are?
Clueless idiot

In developed societies, if you can provide your bachelors or higher degrees, nobody bothers to ask you of your primary 6 result

MatrixCircle:
This controversy has been there for over 20 years. Why can't WAEC issue a replacement to put the matter to rest. The matter even went to supreme court when he was governor. The solution is simple just provide evidence that the said certificate is missing and WAEC will issue a replacement. Why all this waste of money when solution is simple. Or is there something else we don't know ?

He already satisfied INEC's requirements by providing a higher degree result. So whether it pleases you or not, he isnt under any legal obligation to show you or anyone his WAEC result, whether we shout from now till 2027.

Like I said earlier this morning, if I were Tinubu, even if I had my WAEC certificate, I'll never release it to anybody; let them keep sniffing around in the dirt searching for my certificate. They will only realise the folly when it's too late, and then maybe Nigerians will finally learn to ignore mundane/useless issues and focus on more important things.

wirinet:
He provided the evidence to you abi? OK show us the higher certificate he gave you so the whole world can see. You know INEC require candidates present physical evidence of all certificates candidates claimed to have obtained. Will Tinubu present only his Chicago State University Certificate or he will only present affidavits of all the certificates he claimed to have obtained?

Several enquiries have been made by individuals to the CSU regarding Tinubu's studentship, to which the university confirmed he was their graduate. Even if he has lost his physical certificate, he can easily obtain a new copy instantly.

Regarding his other documents, INEC requirement states a minimum of WAEC, of which he only listed his university degree in the form (of which he probably has already provided or can easily provide a certificate). By listing only his university degree, he's only obligated to provide documentation for the degrees he listed, and what he listed meets the INeC requirements.

So let's leave all these pointless back and forth arguments and just sit back and watch. It would be interesting to see how INEC would disqualify a candidate that already provided documentation which exceeds the minimum requrement

wirinet:
If you are working for Tinubu, please inform him that he will need to present these certificates to INEC before the elections. I am sure the Amaechi team will take the matter to court to force INEC to disqualify Tinubu on non qualification based on certificate and/or lying under oath. You know the electoral law allows interested parties to challenge the eligibility of any candidate.

So it will profit you guys to start writing the schools Tinubu claimed to have attended for certified true copies of his certificates instead of engaging in linguistic and rational gymnastics.

So after providing a higher document such as a bachelors certificate or some form of academic transcript from CSU, you actually think Tinubu can be disqualified by INEC for not providing primary 6 certificate and WAEC?

What exactly do we term this kind of dream?

Pesuzok:
Does he have the minimum?

Let him present it.

Please what's your educational level? Cos you're apparently struggling with comprehension.

The law asked for evidence of education, minimum of which should at least be a WAEC certificate. The candidate provided something higher than the minimum, but you're still asking literally for the minimum?

Pesuzok:
Why not present the minimum as required.

Does he have it or not?

It's very simple

Are you sure understand the meaning of the term 'minimum requirement'?

MatrixCircle:
Let me ask you a question. Assuming that you are applying for a job that states that first degree is the minimum qualification, you then submit only your Ph.D certificate only without even showing proof of Waec, First degree and Masters degree to your employer to proof that you went through the NORMAL PROCESS that led to the acquisition of the Submitted Ph.D , for me it's a red flag. Everything has a PROCESS. Even the election he participated in went through a PRIMARY process before the main election come 2023. I also believe Amaechi, Lawan, Umahi , Osibanjo did not only submit thier highest qualifications but proved they went through the regular processes to arrive at thier various highest qualifications. I believe Prof. Osibanjo submitted FSLC, Wasce, First degree, Masters and Ph.D certificates and not only Ph.D .

What is the INEC requirement? That's the only thing that matters, everything else is secondary.

By submitting his bachelor's degree, he already satisfied the requirement and isnt under any legal obligation to provide further certificates. If he or other candidates chose to additionally provide other 'non-essential' documents, then fine! But if they dont for whatever reason (e.g with the excuse that the documents are lost), then they still havent breached the requirements.

Regarding your employment analogy, it's only in Nigeria I've seen employers requesting useless documentation thinking they're being thorough. I live and work in the UK and have changed jobs several times; only document I've ever submitted to employers was my MSc certificate (and MSc transcript at one point when my certificate wasnt available).

A man who has a confirmed university degree, you want me to go about bothering about his primary 6 result? Let's learn to stick to important issues in Nigeria please.

MatrixCircle:
WEAC was able to issue PMB certificate that put his own to rest, I learned that Tinubu's own secondary school certificate issue has lingered for long while he was governor of Lagos state, why can't he look for a similar way as PMB for Waec to re-issue him one. Look at the degree Senator Orji Uzo Kalu had has been withdrawn by the University because he didn't merit or attended the program. Our leaders should be an example to the young ones.

The keypoint to focus on is that he presented a bachelor's degree, which already meets the INEC minimum requirement. The man is therefore under no legal obligation to show you or anyone his waec or primary 6 result.

If you have any evidence that his bachelor's degree is fake, then that is when the man has a case to answer. Anything other than that is just another pure case of Nigerians chasing after nonsense while real issues deserving of attention are neglected.

MatrixCircle:
Let him bring secondary school certificate, leave primary. Atleast he used the Wasce to gain university admission.

INEC's requirement is a minimum of a WAEC result. The man already privided something higher, a bachelor's degree. After already satisfying INEC's requirement, why do you feel he's obligated to show you his waec result?

wirinet:
I am shocked at your mindset. Are you not concerned about the historical background of the person who is likely to lead you and your children for the next 4 possibly 8 years? Don't you want to know if the person has a criminal or questionable history? Don't you want to know how he was able to gain admission into a university without an o/level certificate? Did he impersonate someone else? Did he use "Oluwole" certificates? Was he admitted without O/level certificate?

At least the electorate he expects to vote for him deserves to know his academic history. Except you feel their opinions and votes don't matter.

Remember Gani Fawehinmi took this certificate issue all the way to the supreme court while Tinubu was governor. The issue remained unresolved as the supreme court threw out the case based on technicalities.

I'm not in support of a Tinubu presidency, but that doesnt mean I give a damn about his primary 6 certificate.... That's what I would term "a chasing after the wind", a useless and pointless quest, same nonsense that was done with Buhari in 2015 and 2019.

I absolutely dont care about his primary 6 result; the man already presented a bachelor's degree which is way more tangible than a primary 6 result. There's no way a person would gain admission into the university in the US, study through it, successfully graduate and have a career without having passed through primary school first.

Like someone wrote here, if the man didnt go through basic education but was able to successfully go through university, then you're suggesting the man is a genius.

Jack005:
So why not just state the schools you attended, people can always go and verify.. Whats the big deal here?

INEC's requirement for the presidency is for candidates to provide at least a WAEC result; Tinubu already has a university degree but someone thinks he went to the Uni without primary and secondary education and thinks the man is uneducated because he didnt provide primary 6 result?

If I were Tinubu, I personally wouldnt state the name of the schools too, since it's giving my political opponents mass hysteria. I'd gladly leave them to exhaust their time and resources chasing after nonsense till it's too late; same nonsense that was fone with Buhari
One day one day, Nigerians go eventually get sense.

nighter:
Leave them, let them be yapping. I for one do not have primary school certificate.

The obsession of Nigerians with the most useless things is just bizarre and amazing at the same time. Just watch as this would be topic of discussion for the next 8 months, while real issues of importance would be neglected.

For a person who's confirmed to have a bachelor's degree, what's anyone's damn business with his primary 6 result?

For someone who's confirmed to have a bachelor's degree from the US, just watch as Nigerians in their usual obsession with useless/mundane things would soon leave weightier matters of the campaign and start chasing after Tinubu's primary 6 result for the next 8 months with useless litigations. Same thing the PDP foolishly did with Buhari in 2015 and 2019 till they lost both elections.

Onelove508:
The one you hear, is it in the UK?

The AIT guys could be wrong the Sha. Cos I later heard the guys kidney didn't didn't march the girl's.

This will become clearer soon.

Definitely in the UK. The only law the UK has against this is 'selling' or donating the organs for financial rewards; but of course people still do this everyday behind the scenes.

https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/about-donation/living-donation/

Voom ka mma karia statement.

Onelove508:
AIT their 7am new papers review either yesterday or the day before..

Well, it doesn't sound realistic though. Infact that info is incorrect cos I'm very sure I've heard of living people donating kidneys to loved ones in the UK.

Naajjii:
But you people have reported that the boy kidney didn't match they were about bringing him back to Nigeria that's why he went and lied just to remain in UK.
How can you take a boy with unmatched kidney to UK as a donor? If Ekweremadu tested his other kids and they were unmatched how come this innocent kid was not tested just like his kids before taking him to UK?

Please who is the "you people"? What's the source of that story? Not sure I understand your point.

From the way the story has been presented so far, I doubt they wouldnt have tested and confirmed the boy's kidney to be a match before proceeding to the UK.

Besides, when 1001 versions of a story are flying about online from various sources, I'd typically wait for an official version from an actual insider before drawing any conclusions.

Onelove508:
It's against the law in UK to donate human parts except from a dead person. Nobody here has said that, that's the major issue here.

Hmm... Please can you point out where you found this law?

Funflipper:
I am highly offended because your point clearly indicates you are sympathizing with the criminal otherwise common sense would have told you Ekweremadu felt he was invisible and could buy his way anywhere like he does in Nigeria. How about that?

I'm very sure Ekweremmadu isn't the fool you think him to be; he's possibly way smarter than you and I and would definitely have known that he wouldn't be able to buy his way out of any situation in the UK like he does in NIgeria. That's why I said it makes no sense he would embark on such a mission to the UK (of all places) and not think it necessary to first inform the boy of the reason for their travel.

Heck! anyone with common sense would have known that the doctors would surely explain the procedure to the boy before commencing. Are you then suggesting Senator Ekweremadu lacks common sense?

Like I said again and again, it make no sense; the senator isn't a fool like you assume him to be.

Funflipper:
Ekweremadu should tell us who he purchased the boy from and how much because it is obvious the boy didn't get a dime.

Funflipper:
Ekweremadu should show proof that he tried donating his own hidney but didn't match.

Okay it appears like you have personal problems with Ekweremadu; so I really shouldnt expect your arguments to be logical. I rest my case!

Funflipper:
Just listen to yourself! Well, the good thing is, they are not being tried in nigeria where you people celebrate evil. They is cooling in jail until July 7th and just a reminder, the UK authorities can never be blackmailed.

I simply made a logical point that it's unlikely they wouldnt have told the boy the reason for his travel. Common sense tells me that if they wanted to actually take the boy out there and harvest his organs against his will, they would have opted for lawless countries, not the UK.

I'm not sure why my point offends you, but please, I'm not the cause of your problems.

wirinet:
Implicated or vindicated? Did the boy truly agree to donate one of his kidney to a complete stranger ? And why?

Financial inducement or course; why would you ask a question for which the answer is obvious?

In Nigeria today, I'm pretty sure over a million youths would willingly jump on such an opportunity. Is it not this same country where youths fvck dogs, eat fresh poo as meals and even pledge their souls to demons in exchange for wealth just because they want 'dorime' to be played for them in clubs?

Naajjii:
Why did Ekwerenadu not use one of his children for the donation?

1. The donor has to have matching organs. That they are siblings doesnt mean their organs must be a match - this isnt blood donation.

2. The organ donor has to consent. If the siblings arent willing to risk their kidneys, the parents cant force them to.

wirinet:
Ekwerenmadu was not very smart at all. UK
(and US) is not the place you should carry out such not so legal activity. The doctors and authorities would interrogate the boy and pass through some rigorous administrative process before carrying out such operation. They would want to find out why the boy agreed to donate his kidney.

Ekwerenmadu should have done the operation in India or even UAE where they would not ask much questions.

Yeah this is exactly the reason I said it's very unlikely that the boy wasnt made aware of the reason for his travel. Ekweremmadu may have been desperate but definitely not foolish. He definitely would have known that the doctors would question the boy before the procedure; so there's no way the boy wouldn't have been told why they were taking him to the UK.

If they wanted to truly 'harvest' his organs without his consent, they would have opted for other shady locations, definitely not the Royal Free Hospital London.

immortalcrown:
Focus on the things that matter most.

Was his passport legally obtained?

Was he told the actual reason for his journey to UK?

Are you sure the boy read the letter before Ekweremmadu submitted the letter? It is possible the boy was just informed that a letter was sent in support of his visa application.

You have not answered any of my questions. The same way he made a call and got a kidney donor in a questionable manner.

I have no interest in the matter. And I never said the boy's age does not matter. What I said is the boy's age is not the most important thing here. Someone as learned and as famous as Ekweremmadu allegedly obtained an illegal passport and took a boy to UK for organ donation without telling the boy the reason for the travel. How is the boy's age the major problem here? An adult can be deceived. A minor can be deceived. This is why the boy's age is not the major problem. If Ekweremmadu legally obtained a passport for the boy and told the boy why they were traveling, then age is the major problem here. But if Ekweremmadu did otherwise, proving that the boy is an adult cannot mean Ekweremmadu is innocent.

Your allegation that Ekweremmadu may have arranged an all expense paid trip for the boy to the UK without letting him know the reason for travel doesnt seem realistic (in my opinion). There's absolutely no way the boy wouldn't have known the reason he was picked up, cleaned up and taken on a full expense paid trip to London.

Ekweremmadu may have been desperate, but he's definitely not a fool. If he wanted to deceive the boy to a foreign land to dubiously harvest his organs without consent as alleged, he wouldn't be so foolish to choose a hospital in central London for such an operation. There are many other countries he could have opted for if he wanted to do it illegally.

GloriousGbola:
You are a British citizen and you are reasoning like a third world agbero? I guess what they say is true, you can take the hood rat out of the ghetto, but you can't take the ghetto out of the hood rat.

You have been there for how many years and you still have not learnt the value of human life. Disgusting.

Don't worry, they will slap your hero ekeremadu with ethics, morality and legality

This is not one of those cases where your fellow exploiters got 6 years for slavery. This is organ harvesting. Your man will be lucky if he does not get life. Please enjoy your legal not moral straw man arguments

Huh?!

"My hero Ekweremadu"?

Where did that come from?

All along I even thought I was conversing with a human with functioning faculties.

I've repeated it several times today that I wasnt defending the crime of the Ekweremadus (i.e. illegally bumping the age of a minor and claiming they had his consent); I was simply pointing out that just like the Op had mentioned "organ donation isnt illegal even in the UK, as long as consent is sought."

But apparently, I didnt know I was conversing with an autistic person with learning difficulties.

No more words!

GloriousGbola:
too many Nigerians find it easy to justify the wrong things because they have never lived in civilized societies

so sometimes arguing about morals, ethics etal is pointless

Oga you keep arguing like you're uneducated, no offence! I've repeatedly tried to educate you that there's a difference between morality and legality. But the twin concepts appear to be too complicated for you.

And hey! you keep talking about living in civilised societies; I'm a british citizien and I live in the UK and I put it to you again that there's a difference between morality and legality. Some acts may be morally wrong, but that doesnt automatically make them illegal or 'crimes' in the eyes of the law. It's unfortunate if you still cant comprehend this. Good day!

odimbaa:
but if the boy consented to it as they said, how did this whole thing get to the public

At 15, the boy isnt old enough for consent. That is the only crime here.