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I came across this hilarious clip of a "white" missionary speaking Igbo. Its supposed to be set sometime in the 1940s or 30s.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd6VPh2PZr0[/flash]

The majority of us haven't reached that level of thinking yet. Culture and tradition are perhaps the only areas left in this country where a poor man can calmly enjoy his rights.

They are a perfect example of the "Igbo-ization" of people

The masks I am talking about are like the ones in this video:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0wF6nGoq3A[/flash]

That's a decretory version. I'm referring to the ones that can actually be worn. I don't know why but it's hard to find any real pictures of ekpo masquerades on the internet. It would be great if anyone could find some.

Anyone have ekpo masks?

[quote author=tpia@ link=topic=787469.msg9399251#msg9399251 date=1319337057]the olukumis trace their ancestry to a yoruba migration which passed through benin centuries ago.

that's it in a nutshell.

they may have been joined or preceded by other yorubas who were taken to the region as slaves or traders or something- not sure.[/quote]They are too small in number to date that far back.

ezeagu:
Just so some understand:

1. Olukumi is as relevant in Anioma as French Creole is in the United States.
2. Obi is not a corruption of Oba.
3. Agbor is not "more Edo than Igbo".
4. There are no Okukumi areas, no Olukumi speaking towns, no Olukumi named places in Anioma, only pockets of communities that are hardly heard of.

Good.

Thank you.

Tell me how Ika is more Edo than Igbo? Tell me how the king of Agbor and the Ika is Obi Benjamin Ikechukwu, an Igboman, but yet according to you they are Edo? Man you have to think.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=787469.msg9399060#msg9399060 date=1319332939]smh, Did you read the first few post i posted

of course Ika is more related to the Binis aka edos but Oluku mi is a no and are part of the anioma ethnic group

you can not call them Igbo as you wish.


[b]The Anioma culture over the time has become distinct and typical to the region, thus no ethnicity or group of people can justifiably lay claims to this culture because it is unique to the region. The uniqueness of this culture has ordinarily on its own tended to fend off arguments from quarters laying claims to the beautiful culture of this people. The Anioma culture they say speaks for itself. It has also beaten the imagination of several cultural observers on how speedily the culture and tradition of Anioma people have become homogenous in spite of the group not having common ancestral history as many historians mistakenly assume.

Although certain communities in this region can lay claim to Igbo ancestry as supported by oral history, many of these group have their histories obviously not linking them with Igbo home as their place of origin. [/b]It is for this reason that those ignorant on Anioma history fail to understand that in Anioma more than 12 languages exists in this region alone. The Agbor people w[b]ho are of Ika ethnic group but agreed to join the union of Anioma with the rest of their neighbouring communities scattered around the region chiefly because all the towns and communities in this region[/b] have had a common history of relationship even many centuries before the arrival of the Europeans, and have shared common culture speak Ozzara and Ika.

The Ugbodu speak Olukumi (extinct form of Yoruba language,) Igbo and Igara. The Igara language is not typical to Ugbodu, else where in Evbu this language is also in use in addition to Igbo language. In Igbodo, Igbo and Ika is spoken by the people. Ika is a language similar to Bini. These languages strange to Igbo reflect in everyday usage in names of humans, articles, and chieftaincy titles shared with the Edos believed to be the ancestral home of many of these Anioma communities.  

http://www.ibusa.net/mysite/anioma2.htm[/quote]

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=787469.msg9398989#msg9398989 date=1319331305]VERY VERY WRONG SIR. that is Igbo not Ika and certainly not Oluku mi.

You are not an Oluku mi neither are you anioma, you are arochukwu

this are oluku mi words

ita—pepper, ogede lila—plantain, ogede keke—banana; ku wu se—what are you doing; ule house; osa – market; oma—child; o dowuo—see you tomorrow, e bo—welcome

Moreover I proved links for mine, why are you not doing the same

For all I know, you can just be another person posting from his head to gullible people.[/quote]Onwe ihe ma ma vukwa na uwa?

Look at someone trying to tell me what is my own language and what's not. O'boy Ika=Igbo. As an Igbo, I don't have to be from a specific area to speak that dialect. Ika is just another version of Igbo so what does me being from Arochukwu have to do with me speaking Ika?

What I wrote to you is Agbor (Ika) Igbo mixed with Ukwuani. You don't get it. Ika and Olukunmi are not the same. An Ika speaker will not understand Olukunmi and vise versa.

It's funny how people talk about what they don't know about. I'm still waiting for you to tell me how "Orisha" meaning god  came to mean "Onicha" even though "Orisha" in Igbo is Olisa.

Alj just stick with politics.

alj harem:
wrong again

they are edo and yoruba speaking groups in Northern delta

Yoruba aka Oluku mi areas are

Ukwunzu,

Ugbodu,

Ubulubu,

Idumu-Ogo

all of which are anioma areas of northern delta of which they speak oluku mi

http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Uhh1AAAAMAAJ&q=anioma+yoruba&dq=anioma+yoruba&hl=en&ei=dEyjTs-SLoXLswapmMWKAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&redir_esc=y

You don't get it. Ukwunzi does not sound Yoruba. It sounds Igbo or Edoid. None of those other names are Yoruba either. Olukumi is most likely and Edoid speaking group not Yoruboid or it might be an isolate language.

alj harem:
No sir Anioma people have 13 languages which are

1.Igbo (Enuani,)
2. Ozzara,
3. Olukunmi (an extinct old Yoruba Language,)
4. Igara,
5. Ika,
6. Ukwuani,
7. Edo,
8. Odiani,
9. Utagba,
10. Aboh among others

You need to understand the difference between an language and a dialect. A language has many dialects while a dialect is the most basic form of a language. Edo has many dialects, Igbo has many dialects, Olukumi is a dialect not a language. Aboh, Ukwuani, ozarra, Ika, are all Igbo. Ebira is spoken only in Kogi and Edo states. I don't know why you included it here.Utagba is also part of Ukwuani and Olukunmi is not Anioma but is Edoid. So far I'm only seeing two languages Igbo and Edo.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=787469.msg9396865#msg9396865 date=1319304346]For Ika speakers aka Olukumis as well, this is written Ika words and I want to be sure if I am correct



Ika meyi
poem to correct difficult traits ika meyi.

It says that when this Oddun of ifa out in a ceremony Atef
the person probably will live big problems in his life,
unless you can find a priest of Ifa that is efficient,
so that you remove the inevitable obstacles. Orunmila could do
this for your child ika meyi by the following poem:
Nule Abimenken oeni
Abi Areleketa ikerije
Are likaun kaun GBar
Kai biken tiibimen meyi Leede
Aree nikaani
Okani Agbalikaka megun
Ojiji Okalule
Feje Ojee riemen eja
Teremi Okalule
Riemen distant Oje eku
Oka choose axis inen
Oka Lule orisha
Owo axis wu
Lule Oka KPE KPE KPE Oduro
Olo oloja inkin
Oduro oshe kungbeni inkin jeke
Owa maawe eyin re ashetii.



Translations in english:
A child born in the house
This was interpreted as a problem difficult.
A second son was born
It said it was a good omen.
This was a puzzle
As explained by an arrival
Of fortune and misfortune in the same house.
Allow the unlucky fortune to flourish?
Is seeking a scholar to explain the riddle.
The sage explained that:
The child is difficult electric eel fish
Living in a river
Full of common and harmless fish.
That is why electric eel or fish
He is the king of fish.
And as harmless fish
No matter how abundant they are
They can not challenge the eel.
Similarly mouse
With sharp nose and sharp
It is feared that the king of the rats.
Yoruba is called iteremi
And okhan in bini.
It is also why the abdomen unpredictable
He became the king of the body.
And what gains prominence lead
In the house of God.
Why will not rust
And what became oloru
In King of Inkinen,
Orunmila's head;
Because the front and rear
Are both aligned with prosperity.
When out in ugbodu meyi ika means that the person will have
a hard life and you will live surrounded by Nemiga which always
tried to destroy all materials not previously
listed are collected for the purpose of preparing the ono-ifa (odiha in
Bini) to facilitate its passage through life.[/quote]This thing that you wrote is not Ika, it is Edo. This is Ika dialect:

"Nwanta amulu na nuno
hafuluya ko nsogbu
amu oke ke abu
asina o ozioma.
ifa gbanwujulu wo anya
obibiaya kofaraya
ke chioma na chiojo na uno ofu
hafu ke chiojo ka o di?
nene oke gufara akwukwo ka o okwarawo
yo si na
nwanta a bu azhi shili ikike
bi na oshimili"

I stopped here. But I hope you get my point.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=787469.msg9396856#msg9396856 date=1319304203]Native Onitshans speak a dialect of the Igbo language with several Benin/Yoruba words such as "Obi" (of Onitsha) and "Oba" (of Benin). In fact, the word Onitsha (Onicha) is a corruption of the god "Orisha." The bini name for River Niger is Ohinmwin. The Onicha Igbo call it "Orinmili." In a few years, we will have DNA tests that proves (or disproves) the Onitsha-Benin-Yoruba connection.

In fact, a lost dialect of the Yoruba language, called Olukwumu, is spoken in Brazil and in a few Igbo communities named Anioma, Idumu-Ogu, Ubulubu, Ugboba, Ugbodu, and Ukwunzu (M. A. Onwuejeogwu, 1987 Ahiajoku Lecture). The absence Olukwumu in core Yoruba land proves that these communities are the Lost Yoruba Tribe that were fleeing from slave raiders.[/quote]There are no Benin or Yoruba words spoken by the people in Anambra. "Obi" is a title which originally hails from Agbor and is a corruption of Edo "oba". Onicha oral history tells us that Onicha was founded partly by refugees from Agbor who were fleeing Agbor during the time of the Bini-Agbor wars and transposed their title "Obi" to Onicha. Onicha itself means "Oni-Ocha" or white/fair/clean land and has nothing to do with Orisha.
Orisha itself already existed in Igbo ans "Olisa", so there is no connectuion with "Onicha" and "Orisha".

Second of all, Oshimilli is just Igbo for "great river' or "oean". Even in faraway Arochukwu we say river as "anyim" and great river or ocean as "Osimiri". If you wanted people to really believe you, you shouldve atleast done a bit of inquirery.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=787469.msg9396850#msg9396850 date=1319304137]The Olukumis are a branch of the Anioma ethnic group. Anioma people today exist in edo and delta state. Anioma people are a unique group of people with 12 different Languages comprises of Igboid, Edoiod and Yorubaiod.

group but agreed to join the union of Anioma with the rest of their neighbouring communities scattered around the region chiefly because all the towns and communities in this region have had a common history of relationship even many centuries before the arrival of the Europeans, and have shared common culture speak Ozzara and Ika.[/quote]When did this happen? First of all there is no such thing as the "Anioma ethnic group". Second of all, what are the 12 different languages? The only dialects spoken in Anioma are Enuani and Ika which are both a part of the Igbo language so what are the other 11 languages aside from Igbo?

You said "agreed to join the union of Anioma with the rest of their neighbouring communities". When was this? The term "Anioma" was formed to make distinctions between the Igbo speaking people of Northern Delta and the Edoid speaking peoples of southern Delta.

Agian there are no Edoid or Yoruba speaking people in Northern Delta. Like I stated earlier, the two main dialects spoken in Delta North are Ika and Enuani.
With the origin of the Olukumi(that is i they really exist), I doubt they are have any relationship with the Yoruba, most likely they haveytheir origins in Edo. Some other things to consider are their population. What is the population of the Olukumi now? I doubt if it is over 10 thousand epople. Now go back sixty years to 1951, around the time the Anioma political umbrella was set up, what wouldve been theur population then? 100? I think that the Olukumi might be the descendants iof a single family or man who emigrated from the Edo speaking regions.

Aiyegbeni Yakubu.

Alj there are so many things wrong with your post. Ill deal with you in a little while. Reading this actually made me laugh (Anioma ethnic group? Lol).

Anioma is not an ethnic group nor is it a cultural group. It's only a term that has come to symbolize the Igbo subgroups in Delta. These subgroups are Aniocha, Ukwuani, Ika, Oshimili and Ndokwa. If you ask a Deltan Igbo what he is he will say (for example) "I am Ukwuani" or "I am Oshimili". Anioma is a political term. But like I said I'll deal with this in due time.

Personally, I'd say Igbos have the Utmost sense of respect for elders.

For example in Igbo culture if an elder is disrespected or
Pushed down by a youth, the offender must provide a fowl, a keg of palmwine and some tubers of yam (in some places a goat).

Also, Igbo communities were ruled by an oligarchy of elders upon whose counsel the community survived.
Another thing is greetings. When greeting an elder or conversing, you must show adequate respect and insert the term "Mazi" (a title for someone who's father is no longer alive) which is roughly the equivalent of "sir".

In Igbo culture, before a major decision is made, the eldest males of the family (known as ummuna or ndi ichie) must be consulted. Well that's my perspective.

presido1:
I think u are wrong here.

Okwara akwa = means he/she cried. Okwaa akwa! also means cried.
Okwaghi akwa= mean he/she did not cry.

You can remove the akwa and it still means the same thing.

Youre misunderstanding me. The full way of saying it is "Okwaghi" while the short way is "okwaa". Both meaning the same thing. However "Okwara" means he did cry, as far as I know Igbo. I've never known "okwaa" to mean the same as "Okwara" however it might be a matter of dialect.

@ OP

Nearly every person makes mistakes while speaking a non native language Africabs and Europeans included. For example look at Didier Drogba or Solomon Kalou: the type of French they speak is very different from French French. I Met someone from Burkina Faso once who spoke French and I observed that her French is almost like French-Pidgin.

Also even the title of this topic has grammatical errors such as "Speak good French" instead of "Speak French well". I'm sure you'd even find an error or two in this post that I made. Goes to show you that everyone makes mistakes.

Let's assume that this case is legit. Does speaking Igbo to friends on a phone and talking about money mean mafia? And first of all this is an obvious attempt to make jest. Lastly, how did this make the first page?

It's amazing what people say and yet still say they worship God.

jason123:
"Tiny" Itsekiris will not want to be part of Biafra or SS rep. "Tiny" Itsekiris will prefer (in this order) Southern Nigeria, Benin/Edo republic (Mid west) and lastly, Odua. After all, we too have a right to self-determination, don't we?

I didn't say anything about Itsekiris in Biafra. Secondly, what makes an Edo majority state or a Yoruba majority state any different from an Ijaw majority state? You said you wouldnt like to live in an Ijaw-"majority" state and matter what group Itsekiris are lumped with they will still be "minorities". So what's the difference?

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-658846.0.html this linking in refernce to the bolded.

We've discussed this Biafra midewest thing tine and time again but to no avail.

jason123:
Odumchi, I am sure we have been through this path. I am not against Biafra. I am against land grabbing. My stance is this, there was no need for Biafra to include Binis,Uhrobos, Ilajes in delta (they pass off as Itsekiris) and Itsekiris as part of Biafra without negotiating. To me, Biafra also wanted all the oil producing communities. I agree that Igbos have large deposits of oil but, by their move during the war, they wanted more.

Yes, Igbos can co-exist with Ijaws etc. So can the Yorubas with their neighbours but you don't see the Yorubas including the Mid-west when they talk about their republic, do you?

What does a certain people being majority in a nation have to do with it's progress, wellbeing and growth? Does tiny Itsekiri wish to be majority in it's own nation too?

jason123:
@Onlytruth

To be honest, I like your character because you are always "straight to the point". There is one thing you need to understand, Nigerians do not hate Igbo, Yorubas or even Hausas. The civil war has caused a level of unprecedented paranoia amongst[b] INTERNET[/b] Igbos.
Now, you are advocating for Nigeria to cut "Igbo land" from Nigeria. How can that be done?? Do you think Igbos can enjoy more than what they are enjoying now, on their own?? In case of such, would Igbos (with all due respect) not start advocating for some ethnic groups as Igbos? Would land garbing not be the potion of such a move? I can't start to imagine what would happen in places like Rivers state, if the Ijaws refuse to go with you.
You see why Nigeria did not let you go in 1967 and will not let you go now?

No, I don't see what you're aiming at. It's not as if Igbo people cannot coexist peacefully with the Ijaws, Ibibios and Efiks. The main reason why Nigeria fought for the reabsorption of Biafra is because of oil let's not deceive ourselves.

Honestly, people are hilarious. One minute you say "What a bad nation, let's divide Nigeria" then when such a proposal is made as in the case of Biafra you say "No sit down! One Nigeria forever!"

I laugh in Ibibio.

[quote author=alj_harem link=topic=782861.msg9358393#msg9358393 date=1318859714]Oh pls shut it

stop adding  mid west to your discussion because this has nothing to do with mid-west

that is how another silly person keep talking of SS, SE , NC block vote. rubbish[/quote]So Igbos in Edo and Delta aren't midwesterners? Wat are you talking about SS, SE, NC? When did I ever mention that?