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@+Osisi: « #21 on: September 17, 2007, 12:21 AM »

my dear I wish it was false but fox news and NBC plus atlanta journal constitution can't be making these things up.
I love Juanita to pieces.
The annointing in her ministry is incredible.

And she couldnt annoint her marriage? Physician healed thee self? Impossible because they make the worst patients!

In my to do list is to meet her face to face and shake her hands.
I watched the wedding on TV in 2002 and I was moved.
It was the most awesome wedding ceremony.
Their vows were so romantic.

Awesomeness, romanticness, each or both or even others in addition does/do not translate to real love! Be real and stop all these idealistic impossibilities! Its just like the human God thing; lol! Impossible, I tell you. Am going to ignore the wanting to shake hand of the woman.

and after all that?

Even all of that! partnership in fakery will definitely get divorced!

This was not meant to happen.

But it does because no one knows the future. Even Lut (AS) left his disbelieving wife behind to perish along with homosexuals, male and or females.

My miracle is on the way!

When he arrives tell him that almost granpappie is talking about hanging out with him in Aba's major drag on Friday after work in November 2030!

@Davidylan: « #44 on: September 17, 2007, 03:52 PM »

@ topic, there's no point being sad that so-called "children of God" are now divorcing. I know of several christian couples who are living in marital bondage but wont break up because it is "unchristian". To spend countless hours in the "Service of God" to the neglect of our primary constituency (marriage) will not score us brownie points with God.

Now they are not real children but so-called children of God, and they live in bondages, while God could have easily protected the Children from terrible marital conditions. Sorry, they are so-called so its the so called God that is at fault here! Oje di male, kin mue lo ba Oba Sikiru Adetona, the Awujale of Ijebu Ode of Ijebu land! You will love Ojude Oba after ileya.

Too much prayer, fasting and bible reading that we forget that our partners have emotional and physical needs. What a pity!
I will NEVER consider being a pastor neither will i marry someone who is actively "working in the Lord's vineyard", i wouldnt want my story to end this way.

You will not add to your responsibilities with the highest position in your religion or marry a woman who opt for the highest level of service and commitment? You must really love this Christianity, because in my case, the love I have for Islam will make me volunteer for all that is noble, humbling responsible position like an Imam, or a Muhazzhin, etc. I would not mind a woman who volunteers to teach those she can teach, acting as a role model.

@Osisi: « #25 on: September 17, 2007, 12:35 AM »

Mark 10:2 The Pharisees came and asked Him, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife?" testing Him.
Mark 10:3 And He answered and said to them, "What did Moses command you?"

This is the litmus that even Jesus accepted Moses' laws to be in ful effect, just like what Muhammad (AS) did with the adultery situation in Madina! Now you see why Muhammad and jesus are the same; Messengers, Prophets (AS)? Moses law on marriage and divorce stands.

Mark 10:4 They said, "Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce, and to dismiss her."
Mark 10:5 And Jesus answered and said to them, "Because of the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept.

Remember that all of Moses' laws are to remain active, Osisi! Do you then think that Jesus will negate what he himself said is current, Moses laws?

Mark 10:6 "But from the beginning of the creation, God 'made them male and female.'[fn1]]/quote]This is not a convincing reason for remaining married, at all cost and divorce is forbidden in every instance!

Mark 10:7 'For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife,

The man leaves the house and move in to the woman's domain? This is weird.

Mark 10:8 'and the two shall become one flesh';[fn2] so then they are no longer two, but one flesh.
Mark 10:9 "Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate."

Even when both parties are unhappy, even affecting the children and the larger family members? Ridiculous!

Mark 10:10 In the house His disciples also asked Him again about the same matter.
Mark 10:11 So He said to them, "Whoever divorces his wife and marries another commits adultery against her.

Osisi, do you recognise how lowly Jesus put women who at no cost can ever ask for a divorce? You man and woman have to be forced against their will to remain as fake husband and wife, while in their hearts they loot each other, keeping horrible journals, just in case? What kind of religion, worse, God forcing people to remain in marriage against all obvious reasons, lack of love, increased hatred towards the other part, inshort irreconcialiable differences? And interestingly, neither Yahweh nor Jesus was married! Bachelor discussing marriage is in the same line as he being called God, while he says he is a human being, a messenger a prophet. The above verses warrant me saying for the first time; na by force people need to remain together even at peril?

@A K O: « #107 on: Today at 08:25:53 AM »

Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 02:26:09 AM
I can accept the ostrich syndrome of many on the "fallacies of Quran, and similar threads"

Then I guess the next step is for you and your likes like Abuzola is to just respect yourselves and be quiet, instead of derailing threads time and time again. . .

and allow you an unfettered platform to lie? You must be joking!

« #108 on: Today at 08:35:04 AM »
@olabowale: You say that Christ was blaming his God for forsaking him. Let me teach you wisdom and truth. Not only was it a physical burden of crucifixion for Christ, it was a spiritual burden that NO MAN HAD EVER EXPERIENCED.

Was this a subjective opinion or a proof came from the mouth of Jesus? I am certain the former is the case and we see how zealots can come up with anything and make it look real; like Cheney's Niger Yellow Cake forWMD in Iraq!

All of man's sins in the past, present and future were placed on ONE MAN at once.

This is unreal except if one is so subjective in thought that reality cant be accepedt that this porous opinion, from others and not from Jesus himself could be considered as the quality of jesus. By the way, killing a tree that is following the law that govern trees is a sin. No? If it is what happened to Jesus's sin of killing a tree that did not have any fruit because its off season, and if he was a God, shouldnt he had just brought about fruits on the Tree? I guess he should have commanded the tree to bring up fruits enough to satisfy his need. No? If he did and the tree did not get weighted down with fruits on it, then know that "of his own power, he was able to do nothing", and if he had prayed, that was a prayer that was unacceptade! Can you imaging a food eating, unable to do this on his own and a prayer not acceptable when made entity, yet some calls that entity God? Is that a God or a mislabelled entity?

God had to turn away because he can't stand sin.

Is this God the Creator Who is the Knower of everything, from before begining and up to and beyond after the end? I doubt if what is described in the above sentence is the real God, because his knowledge is not complete, now turning away because he cant stand sins of his creations, while he is supposed to be the Forgiver of Sins? Is the Creator not the Forgiver of Sins, why turn away now because he can stand what he is supposed to be doing, forgiving sins?

For the first time, Jesus experienced spiritual disconnection from God, and just like Adam ran away in the garden of Eden, Jesus' own expression as the last Adam (1 Cor 15:45) was to cry out in anguish.

Now we see that there is God, and he aint Jesus. And again, because the weakness and limitation of jesus is now obvious he is now being lionized by comparing him to Adam who is fatherless, motherless and no multitude witnessed his humiliation, and no one among us know his grave, yet he was made a human while a fatherless Jesus is elevated to a deity!

As a child it is reported that 3 wise men boy down to him, but Joseph; his whole family including jacob prostrated their face to him like what the muslims do for their Creator, yet Joseph is not God. Moses the Bible said he saw god face to face or his back (funny thing that is sickening if the earth can carry its Creator), and yet in another verse no one can see God and live, a complete opposite of the first premise, yet Moses with all that saviorship was not made God! The bones of dead Elijah or was it Elisha raised up a dead man, yet he was not made God. Elisha or Elijah was carried to heaven, no returning to earth yet to die, all of these are in Christian Bible, yet he is not God.

I ask myself, is there anything that qualifies Jesus to be considered to be more than human messenger, prophet of his people, since he said I am not send (there must be a Sender, and usually a Sender you cant refuse his authority is the Authority) but to the lost Sheep of the house of israel, so where do Yoruba people fit in this equation that they have to be tripping over themselves into something similar to ogun worship? I said similar meaning like.

Luvola, the Quran gives a road map of success. Whosoever wishes to succeed should take this path without any deviation. If the Zamfara people with their Sharia cant adjudge their Governor, no one in Kaduna State should blame for the failure of Zamfara.

When you can blame the whole of the North for the failing of enacting Sharia in Zamfara, then you will be able to blame any people any state of Nigeria at that time Sharia must have become the Law of the Nation. No?

Whoever drags the effigy of Judas Iscariot on the street does it for his fun or at his own peril, I care not. Jesus never asked me to have qualms with Judas for betraying him, so whoever does that is having as much fun as someone who goes kickboxing against a stuffed scarecrow and calls it mohammed. Or better, allah. Either case, I may only laugh and watch them beating a fluffy piece of rags and foam. It represents nothing unless you want it to. Which reminds me of that mohammed cartoon that someone drew for fun and the muslims began killing people.

Its interesting to know that no christian on earth, since Paul entered the fold obey Jesus in everything, including the 10 commandments which governed him and the Mark 12 verse 29, which he repeated with emphasis with his mouth! And Muhammad (AS) is not a personality that as my yoruba saying goes "pick your teeth with!" I may not fight anyone but I will engage the person in debate forcing him or her to explain what audacity they have to lie that blatantly!

As for the Jews when Christ was crucified? Christ had told his disciples time without number that he had to die, so they all knew it. They couldn't have uttered nonsense like you are saying. Christ never left his disciples in the dark.

With all the telling them he was going to die, he still blamed the his God for forsaken him! I know I will die, will I be shocked when it comes when am about 130 years old? No. Will I complain about my Creator? No!

Mavenbox: For your information, I am not responding to you as a matter of engagement. I dont pay attention to you at all, but responding for the benefit of the wider audience. So dont worry about it! As far as am concern, you are not here.

[quote[The hebrew word used for Jealous is קנּא
qannâ'
kan-naw'
which means "can be provoked unto anger" meaning that God was not going to take the nonsense that the Israelites could see other cultures and civilizations doing. Such things as orgies (which were the order of the day), burning children in fire (serving Molech) and the likes. GOD WAS TELLING THEM THAT HE CANNOT TOLERATE IT. Simple and straightforward. And as usual, you have digressed from the topic and harped upon a side-statement about God being secure in his Being. Zugzwang for you right there.

[/quote]I asked a simple question, though I dont mind the research, but I dont see a shred of effort to answer my question directly! Is "Am a Jealous God" not part of the 10 commandments? Of course it is one of them! To be telling us that the Bible God said this so that the Israelites should know that their nonsense will not be tolerated is really not answering my question, and a matter of absolute dishonesty. Finally, with all of that, the israelites brought to bear the "nonsense" anyway, since they made a golden calf to worship and later was ruled by Solomon whom the Bible says worshipped all kind of idols of the people his army defeated! And I wonder if it was not because of that nonsense continuing to plague them like a terminal disease taht brought about Jesus. No? If this is not correct, I will like to know what is the reason for Biblical Jesus being raised among them, for every messenger or prophet is to lead people to the path of righteousness, if the follow him!



[quote]About Infidels

The English word Infidel is the Greek word:

ἄπιστος
apistos
ap'-is-tos
From G1 (as a negative particle) and G4103; (actively) disbelieving, that is, without Christian faith (specifically a heathen); (passively) untrustworthy (person), or incredible (thing): - that believeth not, faithless, incredible thing, infidel, unbeliever (-ing).

Translated unbeliever in the below:
1Ti 5:8 If anyone fails to provide for his relatives, and especially for those of his own family, he has disowned the faith [by failing to accompany it with fruits] and is worse than an unbeliever [who performs his obligation in these matters].

My statement was about Infidels, not disbelievers. I wish people pay attention to instruction, not trying to sleep through it and resort to improvisation! Is Infidel in a Bible, in the Book of Timothy? Yes. Does Quran in Arabia has a word that means Infidels? No. Is Infidel, a word having Infidelity as a root word? No! Where will you find Infidel or infidelity in Quran? The english translation because the english people have this word in their lexicology and because of their culture are forced to use it because it is in their cultural Psyche, thinking it emphasises the gravity of disbelief. No word in Arabic fits to mean infidel, directly. None.

Your posts are inane, utterly senseless I must confess. Because the God of Israel never asked them to subdue the people for RELIGIOUS reasons. The Egyptians were oppressing the Israelites. they made them slaves, as a reward for the help that Joseph did in Egypt, repaying good with eventual evil. Getting them out of Egypt was the thing of importance, and not that they wanted Pharaoh to become an Israelite.

I did not say for religious reason, I said belief! I hope you do pay attention to details, follow instructions when something is put in front of you. The naivete of the christians is amazing. I didnt talk about Israelites but belief and disbelief! You need to learn about the jews, sorry israelites, and you can find some in the US now, otherwise you will not know that in their saders, events I have attended, do have tribes and nations based on the 12 sons of Israel, Jacob!

A God Who punishes a group of people, not separating the believers from disbelievers and keep rewarding a people including the disbelievers among them is not a just God. People should be judged on individual merit, their belief as per the Will of the Creator. What God will discriminate on a people while chosing another for Himself? No a just God!

Do you know where you theory falls into quicksand? The Mohammedans (sic) believe that by using violence they can enforce submission and add to their own numbers. Not so the Israelites. In fact, GOD wanted them separate as a people. There was to be no addition from outside. No mixing of any sort. So you are just talking crap, because it is incomparable.

My Jewish associates will enjoy your company for elevating them falsely though, you and them believing it however! If your God chose the Jews for Himself, is that a fair God or a discriminating God? But them the Jews killed your human God, a thrd of the Trinity, and there is no reparcursion, I guess love is blind, but some Christians will end up in lake of fire, the only group that belong in this human God of the Trinity. This is interesting.

You lack understanding of the truth, that is why you do not know what God meant by jealous. The English language is so weak, and if you want to say something without understanding, why not purchase a concordance so you can know the original rather than quoting out of context? I hear concordances are quite cheap. If you can't afford it, post your address: a willing Nairalander can send you one for free.

What did your God mean His jealousy? How can your God talk to you in a term that is not humanely comprehensive, yet you are a human being? you must be kidding me! Is your God talking to you in language of the Angels or other creations, diferent from human beings?

even if you are 50 years old, you will still be a girl to me! if robert Spenser is your University lecturer at Chapel Hill, a boy am many years older than, then you are a girl, espectially with your tone of voice, telling a man old enough to be your father that he is hard of hearing. Some manners, but then what do I expect, considering that the nigerians back home lack manners just the same!

My last entry on the issue of violence, so I am setting up a scenario of when all the disbelievers starting, starting from the Egyptian all the way to the last group of people killed in the hand of Moses and his followers and or by Jehovah/Yahweh sending the angels to kill the first borns of the egyptians, am sure the people who were being killed or losing relatives will say that Moses and his people and their God, yahweh/jehovah must be evil. No?

Let me fast forward to a different scenario, during the time of Jesus, specifically as he was being nailed to the cross, am sure that his associates, the disciples would definitely say, the Jews who are not following Jesus and now killing him are weaked people. No?

What about now, are the Jews not weaked anymore, since the effige of Judas Iscariot never ceases to be dragged in the streets of Nigeria on good friday, and many Jews have lost their lives in the hands of Christian Europe and American conservative Christians just because they are Jews. no?

ai intentionally do not want to talk about the evilness of Saul Paul because he was in a class of his own in Jew killing. And as I see it, the evilness havent stopped yet!

@Mavenbox: « #93 on: Today at 12:26:55 AM »

@Krayola: I am afraid I can't answer your question thoroughly right now because I will need verses from the Koran, I have a softcopy on my other laptop but its not here right now. I will need to post verse that communicate violence, and you will see the difference.

In the Bible, there were two types of violence advised in the OT: revenge or other law-related violence types, and then violence in war. There is never anywhere that they were instructed to deal with those that refused to submit to their religion.[/qu ote]Is this girl for real, considering that all those the Children of Israel killed, including tree cutting and livestock slaughtering were all disbelievers in the God of the Children of Israel! Count with me please; Egypt was destroyed by her God (soon she will deny the OT God for Trinity. Watch it), because they do not believe with Children of Israel, otherwise, we have to now admit that the God of the israelites killed Egyptians for believing! No? Further all the people of Jericho, along with their livestocks and trees wasted because they were believers! So we see that outr college student has provided us the true picture of her God, ala Yahweh or Jehovah, TYC (Take your choice).

Hey my God is not insecure! If he wanted 1 billion people to follow him by force, he would either convert them or make them appear out of nothing!

The same God who says that "I am a jeaolus God" is not insecure? Can any entity be more insure than the one that says he is jealous? Jealousy is a sign of insecurity. And in Surah Al Maidah (Chapter 5), verse 54 says that Allah is capable to bring a new people who will love Him and Allah will love them back, if at anytime the current believers take the favor of belief for granted, and we see the flood of Americans becoming Muslims; whites, blacks, Latinos, and others, males and females without being married to a muslim or being influenced by anyone of them, except that these americans have good hearts. I remember my college days in West Virginia, when the only muslims I saw were the Arabs we were in school together! There was not even a masjid in Charleston, the state capital, maybe in Morgantown, where University of West Virginia was located. Montgomery where I was, the direction to face, I only knew it because I hung around those who practised among them. Today am sure there must be a masjid at WVIT.

But in the Koran? They are advised to do those things (OUTSIDE war, OUTSIDE means of justice), to Kafirs and infidels, and they were even promised rewards in heaven! I hope someone will help me post a reference here.

The word infidel appears in the Book of Timothy, and you will never see a word like that in Quran in Arabic! Alhamdulillah, I read Arabic.

And when i say THE muslims i meant it in perspective, (hey!) and not ALL muslims. I meant THE same muslims that partake of the violence. And when/if I say THE Christians, i mean it in perspective also.

Perspective whereby only bad christians, and they are just a handful, are the ones who do a little bit of violence. The muslim, are bad people and in perspective, only few muslims, just a handful of them are the ones who do not engage in violence. Thats the perspective of mavenbox, who has ignored all the official violence, by ruling class of the world's mandateship of we determine who are the bad guys, and its not us, but them, while whatever we do, even if we wipe out a city, an people a nation, we are just doing ethnic cleansing like in the old Yugoslavia, or we are fighting them because they hate us and our lifestyle. But it is to be noted that before Islam gave elevated women and gave them equality based on personal total quality, and nothing is based on gender that is not a nomally accepted premise, like strenght differential, the Christians and Jews see women as prperties and actually the one entity responsible for the fall from grace of man! Read, mavenbox and stop being practical. While you must take your husband's name and abandone your family name as soon as you signed the marriage registry, my wife continues to bear her family's name.

@whoisallah: The Messenger (AS) asked protection from his Lord. You see it yourself that Allah protected him. I say the same thing when my Iman is high, conscious of all my weaknesses, my faults and of course certain that only Allah can protect me.

Now from your Bible, if any of these people, Moses, David, Solomon, even Judas Iscariot (he betrayed your human god. NO?) had prayed, they  would not have committed the sins  that Yahweh/Jehovah had against them that you guys are using to disqualify them or make them non persona grata! Alhamdulillah, Muhammad (AS) asked his Lord and the request was accepted, different from what your Bible recorded for Jesus about his prayers, especially the ones that he made towards the end, before being hanged. None of them was accepted by Yahweh/Jehovah, even though Biblical Jesus cried, wept, begged, etc, which I think it was this that made him cried out on the cross "Eloi, Eloi, " you know the whole story, or pick up the Bible and read 'em up!

Did anyone noticed that while you guys rave about Jehovah, Yahweh, and even called Jesus God son, at that time that the reality of their relationship was to be known, the Biblical Jesus yelled out "God" (Eloi) in Syriac, and not Jehovah or Yahweh or Father! You see your problems?

Abuzola, as Salaamualaykum wa Rahmatullahi taala wa Barackatuh. Please cut Ohsisi some slacks, because she is in that special condition for the next few months. The load, a muslim boy, InshaAllah (i will come search him out in Aba in the long run, Mama and Papa will take him back, someday), let her enjoy the benefit of what her womb carries!

Ohsisi, now show me verses about 2 rakah of salatul subh. then show me 4 rakah of salatul zuhr. Show me th 4 rakah of salatul Asr. show me the verse on salatul Magrib's 3 rakah. Then show us the 4 rakah of Salatul Isha! You should be able to show us, if you can show us about stoning. No?

Viaro, whereever you are located, the young boy in my head this evening, like in every sunday, so am watching the Simpson cartoon comedy on FOX in its 8.00 to 8.30 pm slot. Guess what, Margie Simpson is the pin up girl for some charitable benefit in Springfield, and when the spanish photographer was shooting her session, she rested on a circular hump/cone. What this cone was covered with is a red colored "Carpet", a soft Rug, silky, if you will a cloth/a thread!

Go check it out and am sure it will be enough to begin to open your mind's eye so that some reality can finally begin to set in!

Yes, my friend told me so - that is why I am grateful for his help in sending me the links to check out from Tafsir al-Jalalayn. But as a Christian, I cannot "tafsir" anything on the quran - it is not my style to claim a scholarship that I don't have! I only consult my Muslim friends who have been so friendly and helpful.

Did your muslim friend knows that you said his Lord said the earth is flat, and all the inuendos you have suggested? I wanna know what he has to say, happy or what?

@Viaro:

Olabowale, please stop all this comedies!  You can't kill me with laughter!  Your carpet excuse is a fallacy, period! Throw it anywhere you like -  
               * on an arabian horse
               * mahogany trees
               * on water
               * or, any ostrich eggs
. . dear sir, none of these excuses is going to help you out of the hole you dug for yourself. Please invent a trillion more excuses. . . including the recent "tarpoline" - it won't work! Your quran does not argue that allah spread the earth on a camel, horse, ostrich, goose, duck, mahogany tree, or anything! So, please stop wasting time looking for excuses on behalf of the quran.

the reality of my engaging your thought, and not you or your personality is because others may have the chance to read my responses against yours. You are calling people to hellfire with the obvious lies, while I will try inshaAllah to try to let people see that you are not a leadership that will benefit them, at the end!

And when the Chrsitians cant defend their indefensibles, they resort to what you have done, a wholesome blanket, say carpet (it covers everything) of denial is hulled up against the truth!

@Viaro: i dont know you mother's tongue. Mine is Yoruba and no one except a yoruba person brought up in Yoruba land and culture can under that language more than me! If a word is said in yoruba language and I have never heard of it before, i will ask it to be used in a sentence. If after that, i will ask it to be used in some other expressions, like story teling or in other forms. My yoruba blood will kick in and I will definitely understand it, and i am saying this based on your statement that you are now saying that the muslim scholars are now misinterpreting what Allah intended! The majority of the people who were the first muslims under Muhammad's brand of Islam were residents of Makka and the Madina, pure arabic speakers. Do you think a Ph. D. white man  or woman from Europe or North America will under Fusat Arabic than a Bedouin from Makka or Madina and their surrounding? Can a white person understand Yoruba more than me, regardless of how long he or she resides among the Oshogbo, Oyo, or any City, town, village Oduduwa culture, Nigeria? Please be reasonable in your observation.

I will ask you to show us the word meaning "FLAT" in arabic and see if it sound like Duhaha. I will ask you to show us the word "Spread" and or the expression "spread out" if it is not Duhaha.

Finally, does it means everything spread out is flat, or rather noticeably expansive? Can you think of anything that is spread out that is not flat? Yes I can. You can hear people who are searching party being told to spread out, and this does not mean that they should lay on the ground flat, but to move away from one another so that the can "cover" what they need to cover!

@viaro:

Go and spread your carpet on a mahogany tree and let's see how true your excuses are!  You are one serious comedian! So, tell me, olabowale. . did allah spread the earth on an ostrich egg or what? You guys are too funny to even think through what you argue. I just regret having not noticed how funny you can be when I first said you should never engage me in discussions.

Carpet is soft, not stiff, just like a soft leather. No? Have you see riding leather spread on the back of a horse, by its rider? Thats an assignment for you! AS to the Mahogany tree, get yourself a carpet and throw it on the tree, and if the tree is strong you will see the shape that the carpet will take. If the tree is weak, when it collapsed, the carpet will take the final shape of the pile of rubbles as it remain spread on it. Alhamdulillah, this is visual, so you will see it!

Now if you see sanitation haulers before, some of the containers are open, so to not let debris fly all over the place when it si being transported from the collection site to the land fill, they use tarpoline to cover the open top, tying it down at interval, and if the container is ful and has a mound on top, the tarpoline takes that shape! tarpoline is similar to carpet. No?

Besides, no one would think of spreading a carpet on any thing or place other than on a flat plain. Proof? Simple: because carpets are not made to be spread on ostrich eggs! Nada. .  zilch. The only people who want to spread carpets on ostrich eggs are those who reason like you!   But I shall come back to this point soon enough. . . hahaha!!

The earth is like an ostrich egg did not therefore translate that the earth is an ostrich egg! The spreading out of the earth is like the spreading out of the carpet! If you ever have a carpet, spread it out, and you will see that it goes/moves forward before your eyes, as it rolls out! Ths is similar to the earth since it continue without end to roll out/spreading out forward in front of your eyes!

But you are a Muslim that will shout allahu akhbar

InshaAllah, when my time comes to meet my Creator, I hope that I will be in the company of believers from my bloodline and the one whose sight makes my heart jump (she will be old them, close to 110, still looking good), and true believers in my community. And what will come from my mouth is Laa illa ha ilAllah, after I have made daruss on my prophet and his companions and those of his followers from his bloodline, the second and third generations of the Muslim. I pray that I say am one of those who are victorious.

From Ahadith Laa illa ha ilAllah is what the prophet (AS) said should be last on the tongue. Those who say Allahu Akbar, I wonder if they were dying since they are not following the Sharia and Sunnah, the reason they say the wrong thing? If a person sneezes, it is Alhamdulillah that is best and not Subhannallah!

@reindeer: « #11 on: Yesterday at 11:55:37 PM »  

For the next 50 years, abuzombie will keep romanticizing the idea of matyrdom, but the little boy wont strap a bomb to his 'tushies' anytime soon, hes just a mouther! Like i said, we only idetify such people after they are dead trying to satisfy allah's bloodthirst.
And alhaji olabowale
why is islam so fixated on sex and sexually related topics?its either about sex, or female body or marriage to little girls.
'tracing the path of sperm'

On Nairaland or anywhere else, it is the non muslims who have reise these topics, thinking that they are maligning Islam by them! Go through NL topics and tell me about all the threads that are along the lines of what you asked. Tell us the starters of those threads and point out to me one one of them by a muslim, then know that the rest is by Christians and other non Muslims!

If 20 verses of the Quran speak about sex, and if you find any talking about marriage to "little" girls, or any talking about any ludeness as to female parts, then know that you have more verses of the Bible explicitly dedicated to these subject matters. But then your bias mind will never let you pay any attention to any from the Bible.

We have over 6000 verse in the Quran, and the longest is the verse of inheritance, covering a whole page, it shows how much Islam is fixated on sex, and reminding them to not come near sexual improprieties do not matter!

have you seen me trying to pander to any of your weak concept? do you think I fear man and not God? while you are clamoring to cheat death with your rapture fantasy, i know you got many bags of tricks, but this one you aint get, while you said Jesus didnt cheat already (if this is true you are 1 step above him, No?), please give me the sperm./semen path. I want you to educate the ignorants among your bretherens, having eyes to look at the diagram, yet their brain can quite register a simple path, trace it out for them please and please tell us where the momentum begins before its complete, out of the body of the man!

Am wait and the orangy glow of the sun as it set on the bay outside my window, looking at the ocean, the water surface is murky!

Luvola pray that you live as old as me. I am still praying that i live even older than my 80 something years old mother, maybe into my 130s, so your suspecion is silly at best. i will not allow you to malign my integrity, while i will die, i am not a christian who will drink coolaid like jim Jones of Guyana's Jonestown, or David Kuresh's Branch Davidian of Waco, Texas!

@reindeer, move the antler aside (folks am friendly with him) and think for a moment; a martyr may die while in sajdah, or reciting the Quran, or giving lecture, and many others, while coward may die while not willing to defend his properties from the hand of an evil doer!

the only thing i agree with NO2Atheism on is his assertion that Allah Subhannah wa Taala is not the same as what the Christians worship in Trinity and or what the Jews who called themselve sons, or even gods worship.

In the issue of Love, if I show you averse in the Quran where Allah says i will love you back, and also show you a verse in the old or new testament that what you guys worship hates, I will now hope that you will leave Christianity for good.No?

If I also show you that in the Bible that Killing is a great option, and in the Quran, even in extreme cases when you are entitled to avenge by taking a life, it is best that you forgive wholesale without asking for any reward, not even blood money, this will be a second reason for you to abandone Christianity and become a muslim. No?

Then say what you know, because can all read and the Bible is available today for all to read, just as Quran has always been available from its very first revelation! Telling us fable and steering us to your side with your deceit will not fly, not with the muslims, you may be able to keep the people who are expecting to be raptured in your clutches, while they see that no one shall live without tasting death, even Jesus, part of the reasons he will come back!

A Martyr does not necessarily means he dies in war, or battle. My father was a Martyr, because he died in the path of worshipping his Creator! A martyr can die in his or her bed. Any act of Ibadat, while you shun the evil opposite to it that is relatively easy for you to do, and you die on that path, you are a martyr.

For example, Yahya bin Zakariyya (AS) was a Martyr. he refused to perform zina with a Jewess, who later asked he be beheaded. Thats martyrdom on the part of bin Zakariyya.

I guess your hatred does not allow your inner eyes to open; please people dont remain blind.

Ohsis, tell your christian comrades the path of sperm from the beginning to the end, as it gushes forth. Where and where is the beginning of the gushing and its end? I hope you will be thorough in your lecture. I trust you will. Is there a point that the sperm passes a point high up, in the tube that is near the bladder?

@Davidylan: Its 4.47 pm in New York. Am going to pray Magrib because the sun is setting. I look out and the Orangy glow is on the surface of the ocean bay, which is less that 50 ft from my window. Guess what, man; It is murky!

@Deep Sight: Since Isiah is in the Old Testament, and according to the proponents of New Testament, this very Old Testament has been reduced to a single Verse of "love God and neighbor", so please tell me how you fit "CIRCLE" to me Egg shape, or the shape of anything trimentionally spherical? Whats a circle and can it be meant to mean Spherical, except that it is qualified? Please show us the qualifier, so that we know that Circle from Isiah was just a partial description?

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Just so that you don't run off to the arabian dessert again, please answer this question I asked you earlier in post #6 -
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Abuzola, what is a rational observer to think of this statement -

* how does 'the earth like a carpet spread out' resemble en egg-shape?

Here in America, if you went to a decent grocery Store, you may find, pear, apple, and other delicate fruits covered with a white light paper (WAXPAPER) which "spread out" to cover the fruit so that it is not bruised up, losing value when the customers pick them up until they are purchased. If paper is then used in the Quranic verse as what earth is like as a "paper" spread out, a group who have never seen wax paper used to wrap delicate spherically shaped fruit will be scratching their head. Is the uppermost crust of the earth not relatively thin to the diameter or radius of the earth, like carpet (Like is the operative word here) is to the floor of the house?

That is the simple question to answer without your usual one-finger sentences of verbal attacks! Since you are very scientific and mathematical, . .
please show us the correlation between an egg-shape and a flat carpet.
That would be a trance in the 25th dimension! Happily waiting.

There is no place in the Quran that Flat Carpet is mentioned to describe what is similar to the earth! If you find it VIARO, show it, otherwise, you have to accept that if you put carpet, a supple material which normally takes the form of what it covers, you should be able to see from your mind eye that if you cover your stairwell tightly, the threads and the riserd, you will see the carpet taking the shape of the shape of the joint between the riser and thread. If it is curved out, so that it is not sharp at the edge so that people do not get injured badly in an accident, then tell us why it is not flat out, but take the shape of what it covers, if you have any matriculation other than the obviuos?

If a carpet is draped on a dome, it will take its shape! Again there is no FLAT CARPET in the Quran!

from your understanding, my writing must be rubbish, just the same way my saying that there is only One God, is rubbish, since what you will accept as not rubbish is that God is 3 persons, really meaning gods or Gods, and when lies that fit your heartly desire of accepting somebody eslse to be laden with the consequence of your immorality and denial of God's Authority, while you want to go to heaven, clearly doing things of lake of fire however, yet engaging in whatever goes. thats smart and truly the hallmark of true belief from your point of view. no?

Just to play along in this game of deceit of the enemies of Islam, I went to Daniel Pipe's FFI (note that he only criticises and lead the forum of Criticism of Islam, but not the Christians nor his Jewish Zionists), and I found what they say about Duhaha. Actually they said nothing that leads away from what Abuzola said.

Lane's Lexicon, which is their source could have been around for just over 200 years (am exagerating), while Quranic understanding of this word or expression has been established long time before that, some 1400 years ago!

Lane is like me trying to be an igbo expert. On Friday, I was talking to this guy whose blood is from Onisha. He told me that Owerri igbo is very hard to understand, so am wondering if Lane a Kufr is a better source of understanding the word Duhaha than the whole of Islamic world? The best yoruba man who writes igbo can never understand this language better than an igbo man who lives in igbo land with a mere average scholarship of the same language. while the yoruba guy depends on classroom and library for his education, the igbo man has his whole family, his community as a greater advantage over the yoruba.

this is a fact, and the deniers are even more deluded than being plainly ignorant! Note that Lane also translates dahaha to mean the place in the sand where the ostrich lays its eggs, and not to the eggs themselves.
Can anyone show me from what Lane said that this is the only meaning and that it means flat, since we see that spreading by scratching leads to what takes the shape of the egg so that it is at least be stable and or concealed from preditors?

1. Earth made as a carpet
The question refers to a verse from the Qur’an in Surah Nuh:

"And Allah has made the earth for you as a carpet (spread out)."
[Al-Qur’an 71:19]

But the sentence in the above verse is not complete. It continues in the next verse, explaining the previous verse. It says:

"That ye may go about therein, in spacious roads."
[Al-Qur’an 71:20]

A similar message is repeated in Surah TaHa:

"He Who has made for you the earth like a carpet spread out; has enabled you to go about therein by roads (and channels), "
[Al-Qur’an 20:53]

The surface of the earth i.e. earth’s crust is less than 30 miles in thickness and is very thin as compared to the radius of the earth which is about 3750 miles. The deeper layers of the earth are very hot, fluid and hostile to any form of life. The earth’s crust is a solidified shell on which we can live. The Qur’an rightly refers to it like a carpet spread out, so that we can travel along its roads and paths.

2. Carpet can also be spread on other than an absolute flat surface
Not a single verse of the Qur’an says that the earth is flat. The Qur’an only compares the earth’s crust with a carpet. Some people seem to think that carpet can only be put on an absolute flat surface. It is possible to spread a carpet on a large sphere such as the earth. It can easily be demonstrated by taking a huge model of the earth’s globe covering it with a carpet.

Carpet is generally put on a surface, which is not very comfortable to walk on. The Qur’an describes the earth crust as a carpet, without which human beings would not be able to survive because of the hot, fluid and hostile environment beneath it. The Qur’an is thus not only logical, it is mentioning a scientific fact that was discovered by geologists centuries later.

3. Earth has been spread out
Similarly, the Qur’an says in several verses that the earth has been spread out.

"And We have spread out the (spacious) earth: how excellently We do spread out!"
[Al-Qur’an 51:48]

Similarly the Qur’an also mentions in several other verses that the earth is an expanse:

"Have We not made the earth as a wide expanse"
"And the mountains as pegs?"
[Al-Qur’an 78:6-7]

None of these verses of the Qur’an contain even the slightest implication that the earth is flat. It only indicates that the earth is spacious and the reason for this spaciousness of the earth is mentioned. The Glorious Qur’an says:

"O My servants who believe! truly. spacious is My Earth: therefore serve ye Me –(And Me alone)!"
[Al-Qur’an 29:56]

Therefore none can give the excuse, that he could not do good and was forced to do evil because of the surroundings and circumstances.

4. Earth is geospherical in shape
The Qur’an mentions the actual shape of the earth in the following verse:

"And we have made the earth egg shaped".
[Al-Qur’an 79:30]

The Arabic word Dahaha means egg shaped. It also means an expanse. Dahaha is derived from Duhiya which specifically refers to the egg of an ostrich which is geospherical in shape, exactly like the shape of the earth.

Thus the Qur’an and modern established science are in perfect harmony.

Can any Christian show me the roads and channel on a completely flat surface, especially the channel, which means there is that changes of high.