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focused123 wants us in celebrating three gods. he conveniently ignores that the Quran says a day withAllah is like 50,000 years of ours on earth. he deceitfully forgot that the Messenger (as) says that he is the middle point between Adam and the last generation of man. should i follow three gods? never, especially when one of them was made mait (dead) according to the bible.

« #46 on: Yesterday at 11:19:08 PM »
@all muslims,Fortunately, a little outcome-based math will help lighten the mood. "Allah sent Noah to his people when he was 350 years old. He stayed among them 950 years. Allah sent Noah to them when he was 480 [not 350] years old. Allah commanded Noah to build the ark. He boarded it at the age of 600 [not at 1300]." Can you imagine attending an Islamic math class?ah ah ah ah ah comic

I am very certain that 350 is significantly less than 950! Though 480 is greater than 350, but it is still significantly less than 950! To have boarded the ship at 600, shows that he had been sent to his people twice; at 350 and 480! In all we have not reached age 950.

As I read Surah Nuh, we heard Sayyidina Noah (AS) saying to his Lord, Allah that he preached in warning calling his people to guidance which they refused in the larger population, day and night! Allah encouraged him to continue. The day and night shows intensity and being encouraged to continue shows that he was sent more than once!

Now after this response I will not even bother with you, because of your light thinking!

« #45 on: Yesterday at 11:05:14 PM »
@olabowale, open your eyes and see this is simple as A,B,C. okay look at this words tell me if am correct, :Tabari I:328 "When the angel of death came to seize Adam, he said, 'You have come too early. Sixty of my years remain.' The angel of death replied, 'Nothing remains. You gave those sixty years to your son David.' The Messenger continued, 'Adam denied it, and so on that day Allah established written documents and commanded the use of witnesses.'" David was 3,000 years removed from Adam - hardly his son. And how can writing have been established while Adam was on his deathbed? Just a moment ago, Allah said he gave Adam twenty-one written scrolls and taught him the alphabet.aha ah ah ah ah ah see me oooooh everybody who read this will easy know what am talking about, okay this is it Adam gave David 60 years of his age please ask mister author of this book that during the time of Adam who is David do you mean that isreal have came to existent ?

On October 21, 1983, my cousin Oladunwo (Captain) died. My older son was already named fews days earlier, since he was born on the 10th of the same month. I promised myself, because of the love I had for the late cousin that I will love to name my child after him. On November 8, 1986, Oladunwo, my younger son was born! How did my younger boy who is going to be 23 this Sunday got his name three years earlier?

According to the Quran, Adam was shown the souls of all his children. Their souls were removed from his body, his back. David is one of them, unless the Christians will now say that David is not one of the children of Adam, one of the mankind! Adam was said to like the soul of David, his son and gave him part of his "years". But like every human, Adam (AS), my father (note that I did not say God is my father) forgot his gift on David (AS), as time passed! Is this too hard for you to understand?

Subhannaka Kulli shein Ilma. Develop your mind, because you are a future of Nigeria, and I pity her if you hold any importance in her running!

@focused123: « #40 on: Today at 06:37:32 PM »

It is a common knowledge that Is'lam is a deadly cult. Its adherents claim it is a religion of peace, but what we see is a complete opposite.

Is'lam was invented by the Mafia boss (Muhammed) 1400 years ago. Since then the world have not known peace.

Muhammad was an EQUAL OPPORTUNITY PREDATOR. He could not show any Mercy or Compassion to any and ALL who did not believe as he did. His followers, even at the present time, after the lapse of 1450 years, exhibit the same unrestrained HATEMONGERING and WARMONGERING characteristics, all over the world.

Muhammad's Allah, in verse after verse in the Quran, INCITES, EXHORTS and DIRECTS Muhammad and his followers to SLAUGHTER, PLUNDER, SUBJUGATE, ENSLAVE and DESTROY all those who do not believe in 'Allah and his messenger Muhammad'.


The Quran is full of SICKENING theme such as :
AMBUSH, DECEIVE, SLAUGHTER, BOOTY, PLUNDER, TERRORISE, SUBJUGATE, GLOAT.

Not a single verse shows MERCY or COMPASSION to anyone, by either Allah or Muhammad.

In summation and in reality, to explain all the INCONSISTENCIES, DEPRAVITIES, IMMORALITIES, HATEMONGERING, WARMONGERING, PLUNDERING, RAPE, SLAUGHTERING, ERRORS, ENSLAVEMENT and MENDACITIES in the Quran and Hadiths, one can come to the following ONLY LOGICAL conclusion:

That Allah was and is INNOCENT of all these CRIMES because in fact, all the Quranic verses and the Hadith stories were and are Muhammad's own CREATION, his own ALTER EGO ingeniously projected into the unsuspecting mouth of Allah, the Pagan Arabian supreme rock god of the Ka'ba, the Black Stone.

Deadly arabian cult is responsible for the backwardness and stupidity exhibited by the Northerners.

God have mercy

What if I proof one of your many "false" allegations, will you leave the christianity that is neither a religion nor a way of any, and i repeat, any messenger or prophet of God? stand up as a man and be counted if you have any gall? now i call your bluff!

and their strength is only in number, not in substancs! May Kelly is flaunting between mercy and curse. she hopes in a man, but curses in God. nezan is yelling between lying and denial. if Quran is 'summary of OT', why is Jesus and his mother Maryam in it; they are part of the OT, including the the fact that it says Isa bin Maryam was not crucified and not killed?

And for sure the language of Jannah will not be Hebrew, or Aramaic, or Syraic, in favor of Arabic which the Quran is revealed, and Islam is primarily conducted, the mother tongue of Muhammad bin Abdallah (as)?

nezan, please dont hold any secret of nigeria, brcause you will gamble it away. God help nigeria for having people less stella in thoghts. You remind me of the argument possed by nigerian oil barons wanting to get L/C from me with fake ATB, which my inspector tracked out of nigerian waters by gps to souther italy. they are still insisting as i speak though lloyds system is saying otherwise. ignorance has no boundry since they wrote letter to one ispection company but invited another in the text of invitation! we call it flim flam, while you call it 419.

nezan, you are talking way over your head man. relax and learn something new over this weekend; truth.

@Kola Oloye: « #19 on: Yesterday at 10:54:45 AM »

Quote from: olabowale on November 04, 2009, 11:49 PM
i read the Bible before i ever read the Quran. when i start reading the Quran, i do not want to and i have not since touched the Bible! in the final analysis, Quran is pure in Arabic, and what is the Bible revealed in, pure english? Where is the original Bible?

Do you want me to arrange one for you?

Could you in its ORIGINAL LANGUAGE. I wanna such a Bible.
Please know that this Bible is not revealed to any 'one' by any 'God'. Though, Torah was. And so was Sabur. And so was Injil.
Who was the Bible revealed to, Kola?

@Ceuta: Quran is not the word of Muhammad, ahadith is. Quran is the Word of Allah. But before you get discouraged with Dr. Zak, please show me if "purchase of Sword" does not mean exactly what it says, considering that the disciples who were commanded went to purchase swords, and they were not escoriated for doing so, by Jesus?

Who would know more about what Jesus said than Jesus, or than his disciples? Could you be a better person to know what he meant, when he did not go against what the disciples did as they literally translated what he said to action, which he gave them no speech against, as he did with the person who called him "good", which he quipped "why called me good"? The above sword thing is no parable, if all things are. And we cant say that when Jesus say why call me good, he meant something else, but am not that good, because only One is God, and He that One is God Almighty in "Heaven"? Note that in all of that conversation, Jesus was on earth, and heaven is different!

Jazakallahu Khair, Sheik the seeker. the dude does not think. Proof; if fa in Kun fa ya kun is so, but the english translators mistranslate it to be and which is wa, shouldnt he have known that eyeball was probably the element which the english translator mistranslated it to be pupil, since eyeball can be cut, which means attached as in hanging, rather than the vacuum place known as pupil, which can not hang or attached?

I blame that young girl Osisi for not using her medicine to let us know that hanging and cut is definitely not referring to pupil! She knows but her christian deceiving mind will not let her tell us the truth. Well, we say it is Eyeball, and whosoever wants to proof us wrong should present the miracle in arabic language and point to us what is Pupil in the arabic text!

of course heaven is beyond all distances of the farthest travelled machines. and it will ever remain beyond the reach of the farthest travelled distance any man made device till the end of time. man has limited knowledge, and heaven is beyond that. the nearest heaven though envelopes the whole of what man can ever reach, and so much that man can never know, yet you have 7 levels of heaven! the one above the other below it, is at least the distance between the earth and the first heaven. no wonder the ignorant never believe there is heaven, the concept of it, even in his arrogant ignorance he thinks he knows everything, yet he depend only on what he can see, touch, smell, feel, etc, and things beyond these sensory acknowledgements, he is lost, dumbfounded, confounded!

and all of these as far as they are and impossible for the disbelievers to comprehend are part of "creations", and God the Creator is not part of this! I as a muslim believe in Paradise and Hell in addition to "heaven", 7 heavens! InshaAllah, I will along with all Nairaland Muslim enter Paradise.

Aloy~Emeka, my man, ahadith is ike the Bible. In it you have what is authentic, by its correspondency with the Quran. In the Bible you have what comes from God and His prophets.

In ahadith you have what is questionable, as it does not give a clear corrolation to Quranic verse. Similar is what you find in the Bible that is vague and no clear indication and you guys twist to sooth your warp agenda.

in the last case is clearly lies, having no ability to pass as the things Muhammad (AS) will say, because it opposes any and all Quranic verses. What correspond to this is the pure lies that Paul and company and others say about God and His Angels and His Messengers and Prophets (AS)!

While Abuzola are at least engaged in healthy arguments about what we deem doubtful by one of us, we agree on what is clear in ahadith.

But you, a christian will not disagree with another Christian as long as the lies fit your agenda, reclusing you from taking responsibility of you. A human being is called God and you gullibly take it up, hook, line and sinker! The same human who bleeds, uses the bathroom and must clean himself up, etc? Smart man, snap out of it!

Fake for over 1400 years and waxing even better? Luvola, are you okay? In a thread you said no abusive words, but yet you abuse the beloved of at least 25% of world population, my reason for asking about your well being! May God steadied your shaky heart. Amin. Instead of doing the typical Christian's return to sender, I pray for you.

Laa natUllahi alal Kafirin. her parents invited her to paradise, she wants to go to hell or christian heaven. i say let her go. after she fattened herself up with swine and weighs herself down with heavy cross, fire will get to her if she dies in disbelief.

i have hope for her since she is so young, still. considering my other began muslim at almost 80 years. anything is possible, yet on her.

purestboy, better than you guys sharing one another's spouses; passe passe sidey sidey, passe passe wifey wifey, passe passe husbandy husbandy. if i like what i see of his hourihin, Allah will give me mine. if he likes what i have, Allah will give him his! if i dont do harlot on earth, there is no need for it in Paradise, and paradise is forbidden to you, anyway, since you only wish for heaven!


No?

Amin. Allahumma Amin!

from the Bible there may be the murkiness, but not in the Quran, since you will read that in verse 36 of Baqarah that Kalifah of earth is about to be created. there had been kalifah (jinn) before, the reason the Angels were alarmed and wonder if the new kalifah will be bloodletting like the former (the jinn nation). note that the jinn was not just one entity in the nation, but jinns, males and females, having children then.

and from the same Baqarah, few verses later, we see that Hawa (Eve) was described as mate to Adam, both under the same commandments, etc, and it is very clear that God has deemed a similar but different creation, a kalifah but man, with male and female, respectively in the case of man instead of jinn nation.

Pharoh, whats that all about, especially when it says "think about these things"? That verse is not stopping people from anything, except telling people to think about it! Its vague, inconclusive, and cant really act as a guide or guidance of emotion or morality!

Quran is enough to guide. Authentic ahadith and sunnah are enough as example. What else is there, specifically when Allah is Complete and alway Alive?

Muslims, the practisers of Islam. For from the Arabs you have christians, jews, and others who will not be guided. From the Children of Israel we have Muslims, they are guided. The Yahuud or religious jews are not guided. Only the muslims among them are guided and remain to be so, and the others among mankind are unguided, astray as long as not muslims.

« #34 on: January 02, 2008, 04:05 AM »  Quote from: olabowale on December 06, 2007, 09:45 PM
Why don't you just show us the quality of Jesus and show us the definition of
Muslim, who is truly obedient to God Almighty.
What makes a person a Muslim? What is a Muslim?

Pligrim.1 in all her bravados never defined either, yet she had claimed a tons of times over, that she was a muslim person, and had full characteristics of Muslim, before she capitulated to the other side. One should ask why she would not offer us a nugget of either or both? I say she was neither a muslim nor carried any trait of "muslim" at any time. A yoruba girl would know enough about "muslim" to pass for one. Now them what makes a person a muslim is the believe and acting upon the 5 pillars of Islam, at the same time disbelieving all other religions. And a muslim is a person who practices Islam. You need to enter it properly, Pligrim.1, once and for all, instead of dancing at the periphery.

Quote from: olabowale on December 06, 2007, 09:45 PM
Compare the two side by side. Lets hear
After you definition, we shall have good occasion to compare and then seek more answers beyond your definition, where necessary.

When is this young girl going to do this. Talk and more talk, resulting to promises and empty promises will not work here.

Quote from: olabowale on December 06, 2007, 09:45 PM
Did Jesus submit his will to the Will of God? If the answer is yes, then he was a Muslim!
Is that all that made Him a 'Muslim' - just like that?
Did the apostles of Jesus not submit to the Will of God as well?

What else is needed to make him a muslim, since all is needed is just that? Did Jesus rebelled against God's Will? If not, again, he was a muslim (AS Jesus). Were the disciples not following Jesus or did they have a different religion, Christianity, while Jesus had something else? i dont know about apostle Paul and company, if thas where you are going, since he changed everything of Jesus around!
 

Romans 12:2
  And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by
  the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good,
  and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

She is quoting Roman as if Jesus had anything to do with letters to Romans! Was Jesus the writer of the letter, Pligrim.1? But yet, she did not notice that the Will  of God was mentioned, and not the will of jesus here! Jesus sai Thee Will be done.

1 Thes. 4:3
  For this is the will of God, even your sanctification,
  that ye should abstain from fornication

Will of God, again!

Hebrews 10:36
  For ye have need of patience, that, after ye have done the will of God,
  ye might receive the promise.

Will of God, and not will of Jesus.

1 Peter 4:2
  That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh
  to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
1 John 2:17
  And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof:
  but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever.
All these demonstrate that they knew and submitted to the "will of God" - but did that therefore make them 'Muslims'?!?

If it was not just a statement without any substance behind it, then the Will of God, which they submit to for being obedient to Him as their Creator the Altimate Master shall make them muslims. You may stubbornly say they are not, but for sure they did not call themselves Christians, because according to your Bible, its folks in Antioch who called people "christians!" Aburo, if I came to Goergia and knock at the door asking for Pligrm, they may say that I should go to the mosque, or church,or go to Plymouth Rock or the Amish country because these are the places to find Pligrim, and definitely not your family home. They probably call their daughter some christian name or if you are ever a muslim, the muslim name still!

@PatorAIO: « #54 on: Yesterday at 01:30:25 PM »

Good day to you Olabowale, would you say that you are a muslim?

Good day to you too, Pastor. I am a muslim because of my 2 shahadah; Allah is the Only One with the absolute right to be worshipped and Muhammad (AS) is His last Messenger/Prophet.

I don't think that in your life you have followed absolutely every injunction in the koran.

Correct. However, I am a practising muslim, who observes 5 daily Salah, pays zakah and gives sadaqah, observes ramadhan, makes hajj, and believes in destiny, the good and bad, trying to do good, believes in the day of Judgement and Paradise and Hell fire.

Since you have not submitted fully to Allah then it follows that you are not a muslim.

I am a muslim, maybe not a good muslim, and definitely not a Mumin, yet. This is why there is what we call the many roads of seeking forgivenesses. A person who believes in the five pillars of Islam, while negating all of other religions and ways. A practising muslim is a person who actualized the 5 elementary foundations, already mentioned in their lives. I am such a person. I do not reject any of them. I know when am running low on any since belief does go up or down, based on many factors. I am not in a muslim community right now, and this may be a reason for low Iman. But a person who actualizes these in his/her life could not be called a disbeliever, but could be a hypocrite, internal disbeliever. I am not this, either. I am trying to be a mumin, so I struggle/jihad against myself. Trying very hard to be a better person, my own kalifah, for thats how I can be the kalifah of my family. I seek forgiveness and hope someday, before I die, I will be a mumin, InshaAllah.

unlike christianity, the last prophet in Islam was Muhammad (as). so in over 1400 years, you will see that Islam being completely formed and finalized does not change. it is not discarding any of its elements, and adopting something new. we cant say the same for christianity.

so it is only in christianity that you have future tellers, fortune tellers, soothsayers, etc, and no surprise that your religion changes as the world turns, so it turns with it, including all the trimings of having prophets and prophetess! i wonder what the prophetess does when she has her monthly periods, with excruciating pain and she cant even stand up, or when she is in her first trimester with all the morning sicknesses, throwing up, or wen she is in labor trying to deliver the child of god, child of mother prophet? she cant fortell the condition of the prophetess? lol.

from the assertions of these scholars,we can see here the age of puberty specifically at 15 yeares old,while the quran specifically places the age wfor marriage at "puberty"
again mohammad and the book of confusion contradicts themselves by marrying a 6 years old girl who is clearly not reached the age of puberty,
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was breathless then, and when my breathing became all right, she took some water and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl of nine years of age. (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 234

the bolded clearly indicated what my argument have been. First, all issue of marriage in the Quran must have been observed by the prophet [as] whom Aisha [ra] described, as the Quran, walking. it simply destroys the misconception of 6 or 9 years, clearly pre puberty period, since Aisha was already engaged which was dissolved before the prophet engaged her and honor her family [ra jami'a].

now we see that what follows as it came from Aisha, supposedly, is more of an opinion, and can never be ahadith, based on the description of ahadith. now then, you must reconcile the fact which i say is a fibbled fallacy as to her being 6 or 9, but prepuberty at time of marriage, as an ahadith, if you know when she was born, with concrete proof; bench mark, her father and family being muslim, in the first year. if she was born before this acceptance of islam, i say yes, and the statement ascribed to her is not ahadith, i say yes, again, then, your argument is completely wrong.

by the way, age of maturity for jews is 13, ready or not. what is it, for christian? i bet you dont know it!

i also have hadiths proving aisha had not reached the age of puberty if anyone needs them

again, use your marble, son of god man, the hotelier. no? look at your name and you will notice the naked truth

yet the quran turns around to ascribe the power of death to the same angels in a swift about face,

let me ask you, the hotelier, when he tells the GM to go to the Bank and get your school fees transferred, who go to the Bank to do it and who actually pays your school fees, since your dad did not appear infront of the cashier to fill out the draft form?

I say it is the Hotelier (the yoruba man, your father son of god godson2009) who pays the school fees, because he is the one who delegated power to the mamager, etc. the monies came from your father's account.

same with Allag Who empowered Angel to discharge his duty of taking soul, or do you think that the Angel could have done it, without Allah? afterall, Jesus of the Bible said "of my own power, i can do nothing". and thats the truth with angels, too, since Jibril said in Quran, as Allah permitted him with instruction to say " and we the Angels do not come down except by permission of Allah!"

now the pertinent question is this,
was adam the first muslim or mohammad?

each [as] lived at different times, hence in their individual generation, among their community, was the 'first' of the muslims. islam assumed to be the bride of late husbands [times], she will be the first wife of each of the virgin men who married her in their time. so when she was 18 marrying the 18 year old, she was his first wife. but when he died and she married another man at 25, a virgin, she will be his first wife at this difrenet time! you did man?

were the disciples the first muslims before mohammad?

refer to my explanation, above. the disciples were muslims under the messenger Isa bin Maryam (Jesus whom you mislabelled as your god! lol), a muslim, like me! afterall, they did not live at the same time period with the prophet, so they are muslims before him, under Muslim Jesus, a direct and irrefutable proof that Islam was always on before Muhammad! You see how you shoot yourself in the foot?

Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down (onzila) the Qur'an, as a guide to mankind

So it is not difficult to understand that the first revelationmust be in the month of Ramadhan.

We sent it (this Qur'an) down (anzalnahu) on a blessed night [(i.e. night of Qadr, Surah No: 97) in the month of Ramadan

the first revelation must be in the month of Ramadhan, refer to above, specifically the night of Qudr must have a revelation. Let me refer you to Surah Qadr; Inna anzainahu fi lailatul Qudr, anta matallul Fajr! Go read it in the Quran!

(It is) a Qur'an which We have divided (into parts from time to time),

And it extended for 23 years, 23 Ramadhan, 23 Lailatul Qadr. Lailatul Qudr is a night, in a day among the 29 or 30 in each Ramadhan!

for those with the eye of reasoning open, they will will see that each section is perfectly fit with the others. It is similar to when we say Muhammad (AS) is a warner, but also a bringer of good news, also a mercy to all who accept his guidance, him being a messenger prophet of his Lord.


It is further similar to when we say God is Alive, always, meaning tat He never once die. This makes Him different from all those who dies, will die, once, twice, thrice, or as many times a coward may die!

i talk to nigeria everyday. i dont need you to tell me anything about nigeria, maybe about the well being of the hotelier who you are now calling 'god' his mrs 'wife of god, and his other children?' afterall, you didnt tell me you were going to nigeria and i dont read minds or see the future. i leave those to the keferis, 3 gods worshippers and children of god! haa.

no one says that Muhammad [as] had any power. unlike your biblical jesus who had all the powers yet died by the hands of ordinary people and their billy clubs, and stubbornness. a power that is ineffective is no real power you know.

finally, Muhammad's baracka affected many many, before his parent got married, in their marriage, during the pregnancy, birth, youth, prior to his prophethood, during his prophethood till the end of his life, and after it, extending to even now! i know when i think about him, knowing that i am from his nation, am grateful, he Muhammad comes alive in my heart, in my face, sitting in front of me, like when Sayyidina Bilal Rabah [ra] will make ahadhan and iqamah and point to him, confirming that you [as] is the messenger of Allah.

by simplicity of means, the prophet said that a meal is enough for 2 people and by the end of ramadhan, many who fasted will continue to eat just a little.

pease dont get me started, man. is there an equal among mankind to uhammad? never, because Allah attaches muhammad's name to His, by sign of his elevated position (darajjat)!

i read the Bible before i ever read the Quran. when i start reading the Quran, i do not want to and i have not since touched the Bible! in the final analysis, Quran is pure in Arabic, and what is the Bible revealed in, pure english? Where is the original Bible?

We overcame the devil by the blood of Jesus and by the testimony of our mouth. There is no other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved. Can you tell your self the truth, since you have being calling on allah, have you felt his love/presence. NO ONE CAN APPROACH HEAVEN DIRECT EXCEPT THROUGH JESUS. Our forefathers knew it they tried establishing connection to Heaven through ogun, oya, obatala, ala, orunmila, amahioha etc , unfortunately, demons intercepted giving results to their petitions. Of course, we all know the signature of the devil as seen in some of our traditional religions. But Muslims who are supposed to know better than them, think they can call The ALMIGHTY direct and reach him. No wonder the emptiness. One thousand astaghafurulai will not attract him. Laye Laye.

Astaghafirullah is seeking forgiveness. Laa ilaha ilallah is affirmation of His Oneness, directly killing Trinity, Triune, and other forms of paganism! This will be enough, if you die with it on your heart and tongue, as you negete all kinds of disbelief, to get me to Paradise.

The best you can do, mr. disbeliever is get to Heaven (lol) because paradise is forbidden all non-muslims. That include you christian blood-bathing dude. Let the Jew get you with your empty and pretty powerless blood. They give you some blood to immerse yourself in. Or you forget that they strung somebody on the tree as they nail him on the cross? And I say Audhubillahi minal shaythaani rajim. That kills the Devil in my life.

@Dexmond: « #32 on: Today at 10:35:13 PM »
[Quote]I notice something, the defeat of pharaohs magicians by Moses showed that the magicians where clearly of the devil. A jewish magician bewitched Muhammad, I couldn't believe it until I read it myself in the hadith No wonder allah's apostle was constantly seeking refuge from the devil, whereas my Jesus demonstrated his authority over them. Amen. Amen. Great is the Lord![/quote]Dont forget that the same "jew" is the holder of your "salvation"; please read your Bible that says that salvation is of the Jewsa. The same jews are "magicians", read your post, as they Jews betwiched! As I remember the bewitchment however you look at it, was repelled by Allah, by recitaion of Surah Falaq (Chapter 113)! While according to the Bible, ordinary mob of "jews" with their billy-clubs and machetes, without even bewitchmeent, killed Biblical Jesus! No? Now where is your "amen, amen"?

the muslims already know what the truth is of alfa and or mallam. ilm is knowledge. those who associate theirs with jinn involvement, talking about future, playing God shall have their place in Hell-Fire.

its the non-muslims who are naive about these things, and of cause the hypocrites among the muslims, hiding their disbelief.

dexmond, who is professor peller? and where do i say muslim and islam have anything to do with magic? this dude, are you okay, as i concur with Abuzola of his opinion about you?

@Davidylan: « #26 on: Today at 05:18:36 PM »

shakerz is still peddling the discredited Mythra myths? What do you expect from a muslim anyway?

discreditted? a single doubt is enough to poke fun at the myth of your human godship. david, listen, what they guy has to do is what the lawyer who found OJ Simpson coperable about the slaughter of two people, though he was found to be aquitted in criminal court, but its a different result in civil.

let me show you; the crminal court not guilty pronouncement is similar to the glossy first glance of your human god and only he is the savior motifs.

the reality is the civil case where the proof proves that OJ was a killer, similar to the humanness of Jesus to show that he was simply a human being who is empowered by God with miracles, just like Moses was, and not God, the Reality of realities!

I shall ignore Nezan here because he is not making any tangible contribution.