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listen to all these disbelievers, tripping over one another in ignorance! you people must never observe anything except the mundanes. open your inner eyes and stop beng so lame when you speak.

is the study of arabic less important than the study of english, or french, or any other? today, at the UN and American and other western countries, they can get enough of arab linguists. Sheik Muhibudeen is travelling all over the world based on his master's degree in this field, alone!

and as to Viaro's assertion to mean that carpet has to be flat like a floor in your living room when its spread out, is completely off the mark! Proof: Carpet takes the shape of what you spread it upon. if on a mound or mole, it takes that very shape because it is a form of host shape taking thing, similar to clothing on this matter.

The Kurks have a rug/carpet made of silk, and by Allah you can almost want to wear in or at least as a quilt or cover yourself with it in bed, especially in winter. So to assume that carpet is spread out means flat without considering that it is flat only upon the shape of what it covers as it is spread out on it, is silly and deceitful if the proponent knows the truth, but insists in telling this fabble, easily detected!

But then, if you are not a speaker of a language how would you know the root word and meaning of an idiomatic expression, of that language when it is spoken? Abuzola says he is a specialist in that language, yet you are defending the obvious, when you could have easily research dahaha, an arabic word, for its loose meanings in English and show some matriculation by it. Ostrich as a bird could not be well known to the arabs, since even in west africa, we dont have them. eggs however are known to almost all cultures, so it is reasonable that egg is the likely  answer, rather than ostrich spreading the earth/soil!

How can the Christians ignore the 4 corners of the earth, yet have the audacity to say spreading means or almost indicating the same 4 corners, or something like that?

@no2atheism, please look at the diagram of the male sexual organ on in this thread. chart/draw the path of sperm/semen from the beginning when it leaves the testicles to flow to the penis, emitting out, as its end. if it does not pass through the point around the base or middle of the bladder, as its most upward point, and then begin to decend from there, looking at the rollercoaster shape from the diagram, it is not less expressed correctly and there is no better description of it than what the Quran says 'gushing (speed, but in this case speeding meaning acceleration)' forth. the Quran says between loin and the ribs. look, again there is an upward and or downward distance(s) between the two points or places, considering the rollercoaster effect.

maybe you need to find a doctor, or a biologist or somebody who under comprehesion as he/she looks at your diagram who will spend a minute with you, to resolve your problem. when you to see him, have the diagram in your hand, ask him to trace out for you the path from beginning to end, and then read what the Quran say and ask if this quite accurately describes it, in a nutshell. the two short verses, if you allow him to answer it, as to what waswritten in the two short verses, you will be amazed at his response. just dont tell him that it is from the Quran so that he/she may not therefore give you the disinterest opinion.

Who is in the better position: the Slave of Allah or the slave of Jehovah/Yahweh even though Jesus said Eloi, while this slave is also the slave of Jesus who is sent an errant he cant refuse (I say he was a slave, too), and this slave is still yet a slave of the holy ghost, while the slave calls himself everything else but this obvious position he occupies? Is this reality or delusional?

as i watched solidad o'brian's escape from jonestown, on cnn, yesterday, it dawned on me that the hypocritical christian's meek and turn the other cheek around the world, in the us and particularly on nairaland (davidylan, ohsisi and company are you listening) ignore these mass murder/suicide episodes. well i guess it is because they are always christians who do these self killing and taking their spporters with them, considering that there is no external force fighting against them, or any group trying to convert them out of what they are on, anyway.

if only this is a one time only thing, one would have thought it is not a norm but an isolated incidence. the opposite is the truth. jim jones guyana case was in 1978, then came the moon movement out of philadelphia, and we heard about worlwide heaven gate just few years later. right there at the heart of texas came david kureshe's branch davidian, which tim mc vee said drove him to truck bomb oklahoma city morey building.

look at all the other communes with their warped ideologies; well who can blame them, since they truly believe as foundation of their faith that a mere mortal is worthy of worship, along with a ghostly/spirit being which they will forever struggling to clearly quantify because he/it is an unidentifiable, unclear entity. sometimes the better thing to do is to take the dialogue to them and let continue to struggle about it as they figget in the dark, dumb, blind deaf and with a dull spiritual understanding the evil one/devil/shaitan have them in his clutch, already. how do i know; they make mockery of God, and deny His messenger to them.

why should a person say he is a son, when he is clearly a creation. does anyone expect God to kill His own children after testing them on earth so that they the obedient ones can be allowes to enter paradise, while the disobedient ones condemned to hell. what kind of father deprive his child of permanent happiness, since we see that the father of the prodigal son was more merciful than the christian father God. now this is after he has killed his only begotten son, while the rest are not begotten, and ther is no begotten daughter, and the mother of the begotten son is not his wife but later that of joseph (by the way we never heard of a widow of a prophet being married by anyone), after all of these, some of the children will end up forever punished, humiliated! what then is the value of being children, and sending and killing the only begotten son? we see that these are empty rhethorics because it has no beneficial value. a disbeliever in christianity and a condemned christian will spend eternity in the hellfire of christianity. or is there a maximum hell for such a disbeliever and a minimum hell for the condemned christian. will the christian be removed to christian paradise later. all of these are logical foundamental questions a christian should ask internally and struggle for a correct answer which must lead a clean hearted person out of christianity.

@Noetic: #36 on: Today at 01:16:59 AM »

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 12:43:51 AM
@Noetic:« #28 on: Today at 12:05:09 AM » Is that his will or the Will of God, since we heard him praying to God that He should let the cup pass off his head? What I see here is that it is true that it is the Will of God that was done, and not the will of Jesus, who begged, prayed, cried, wept to no acceptance of his request?

this has more to do with deductions from the prayer of Jesus, . . .the issue of His divinity has been addressed several times already.
Jesus foretold his death in previous chapters and rebuked peter for wishing that he (Jesus) does not die. So Jesus was comfortable with dying.

His prayer in the garden is simply an illustration to believers to always submit to the will of the father.
This is not rocket science why are u struggling to understand this simple fact?

I am wondering if you think you are dealing with children whom you can make to swallow any line(s) of lies? Imagine Jesus crying and carrying on through the prayer periods, whih included day and night and extend beyond the garden, and you are telling us without any quiverness in your voice that all of the is for the "believers?" Wow, what a superior strength displayed therefore we see of the child of slaughter from the loin of Ibrahim (AS)! A little boy if we take Isaac and keep boss woman Sarah away from the scene (how, am sure its impossible, since she was able to force God to force Abraham to send his frst child and his mother into the wilderness, without any further care), and a teenager at most if we take Ismail even with his mother, we can see that if Ibrahim were to make his choice, Sarah will settle on the teenager for slaughter, was able to not cry when the father led him to the slaughter spot.

But Jesus who was coached and made to come on earth for this singular purpose (coaching God and making come on earth, yet still couldnt do it without coming apart at the seams) did not stop displaying his not willing to die, right up to the time he yelled out on the cross, "my God, my God (the truth finally came out, while you are deceiving me saying it is father; haa) why has thou forsaken me", show that he is no God and not willing to die. The chairman of a company cant talk to another Chairman in a manner to indicate that he is below the Chairman he is talking to and if this happens and somebody say that he is still a Chairman is a gullible soul.

I can accept the ostrich syndrome of many on the "fallacies of Quran, and similar threads", but you David to be playing possum is unbelieable! have we not at anytime discussed these listed questions that your new heroine is peddling as her own "mind product" until I told her about all the professors on the web, and even CSPAN, etc?

Aburo, did you see my responses on the Bible to be edited, yet again?

And those who think that I have control over anyone, there mistake is that while tey blame me for every other person's misbehavoor, they need to improve themselves, too. While I have written publically and privately to Abuzola to leave the cursing alone and let the christians enjoy that leverage, I cant force him to accept or reject my suggestion. But in all of these, should anyone then say that I should be insulted? I believe that if I tell my own children to restrict themselves in a particular situation, I expect them to, but as they are adult and independent, can i really stop them, at all cost?

How I should be rifin, because of what Abuzola is saying while you do not even stop but fan up the flame is beyond me. In Islam, we do not expect somebody to be punished for the offenses of another person. Even america does not do that. And Nigeria will not do it. Is there a society that will do something like that, even Christianity?

86:6: He is created from a water gushing forth.
86:7: Proceeding from between the back-bone (loin) and the ribs,

LOIN: side of the backbone between the hipbone and the ribs in humans as well as quadrupeds: From the above we see that the path of the semen in sexual inntercourse, start from the bottom part which is the loin, a structure of the body between the hip bone (already in the body, higher than the testicles, and its lowest is starting from the top of the testicles), and the top part is somewhere before the rib, or within the region of the rib, but not higher. As I look at the diagram, what is observed is that the sperm starts its journey from the testicles and go upward through the tube, until it reaches the uppermost part of the path. This point is around the bladder, in the lower turso of the body, the stomach cavity below the diaphram, separating the chest and stomach cavities or chambers. Now we see that we have our vertibral column extending all the way to the tailbone, which is definetely below the bladder.

Now then, The Quran says "gushing (accelerating) forth (from) to mean, as I look at the path of this semen, I see tat it climbs up, which means the speed is never going to be as the downward travel, which in this case i will accelerates from that very point which is the highest! What is this point? It is around the bladder, obviously the path follows a loop in a rollercoaster format! Look at it again, and as you read about the elements of orgasm, we finds that some specific muscle sqeezes hard, helping the accelerated flowing liquid gushes out of the body. I wonder if you understand it? The Quran does not at anytime or anywhere say rib is the source, but passage, as you can see from the diagram reaches the region of the rib! And when this was stated in Quran, there was no knowledge of the human sexuality sperm journey path. But then, from the above diagram, we see that it agrees with what the Quran says. And every man feels the rushing intensity of the sperm when it reaches and begin to accelerate from the bladder area part of its path, gaining momentum as it is speeding up to be emitted out of the body!

And it is the lower back and lower stomach a man feels the pain or tiredness of sex!

Just out of curiousity, is there a religious book that tries this sexual subject, which you claim medicine is arguing with Quran on? Yes, there are many muslims who are doctor and they know this subject and do not disagree with Quranic Masterful statement about it! Some doctors became muslims after reading medicine from the Quran. One of them is Maurice Bucchailles of France.

@Na2day: « #33 on: Today at 12:49:39 AM »

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 12:43:51 AM
@Noetic:« #28 on: Today at 12:05:09 AM » Is that his will or the Will of God, since we heard him praying to God that He should let the cup pass off his head? What I see here is that it is true that it is the Will of God that was done, and not the will of Jesus, who begged, prayed, cried, wept to no acceptance of his request?

have u ever tried dying for sum1 b4? have u been asked to do a task in your life where u actually said to the person telling u to do it that i dont feel like it but since u asked i will? why cant u guys use the brain God gave u for once to reason rather than blowing up ppl? nonsense! ! !

I will not die for anyone except where I am trying to preserve the life of that person and I die in the process. See, my primary intention was not to die but to preserve and death occurs anyhow. Now, no contemporary of mine have the audacity to order me around and I do not have the authority to tell him or her that I have no boss in our relationship, whereby the tone will change from him/her from ordering me to suggestion. At suggestion, then I may or may not do it, and there is no need for me to appeal to that person in a manner showing that he/she is the one that can determine my involvement and the outcome of my pitch to not do this thing is all his/her without me having a say!

The above scenario is what happened to Jesus: he had no say so in the matter. Though he begged and carried on, but he knew that the refusal or acceptance is not his and he cant do diddlley about it! It seems to any disinterested person in the matter to simply conclude that if Jesus was a God, his Godship is just without any real authority, otherwise another God will not be controlling his destiny. Afterall, Jesus said, of my own power I can do nothing, except what God allows me to do.

@Noetic: « #23 on: Yesterday at 05:20:45 PM »  

Quote from: olabowale on November 13, 2009, 03:58 AM
@Noetics: « #4 on: Yesterday at 09:10:05 AM »  Is it impossible that Yahweh or Jehovah neer answer a single prayer by anyone; Jewish or Christian religion person? Even the person you call God? I remember that God did not answer the prayers of Jesus made seeking help against being persecuted which ended by him being nailed on the wood!


what prayer of Jesus did God refuse to answer?

How about "Take the Cup away from my head?" Should a God be praying to a God any way, then another God different from him? Should he be asking himself to take away a cup and conceding that it is the Will of the other God is certain to be done? What kind of God prays to another? I say the praying God is not really a God, for sure, but the One whom he is praying to is the True God, at least higher in authority? Why will a God need another God for support if he is fully in control?

@Noetic:« #28 on: Today at 12:05:09 AM »

Quote from: Abuzola on Yesterday at 08:07:49 PM
Luke 22;42 "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done."

Jesu regreted at last

mathew 27;46 About the ninth hour Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani?"--which means, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?"

illiteracy is a disease.

He asked that God's will be done. . . .was that not what happened?

Is that his will or the Will of God, since we heard him praying to God that He should let the cup pass off his head? What I see here is that it is true that it is the Will of God that was done, and not the will of Jesus, who begged, prayed, cried, wept to no acceptance of his request?

@Viaro: « #45 on: November 12, 2009, 10:44 PM »

But just what is wrong with a revised text of a translation? I sometimes are amazed at the very low IQ that muslims on Nairaland possess! Are you, dear muhsin, so ignorant of the very fact that there are already numerous REVISED qurans? I don't see what's biting you so much as to make that much noise on a revised English translation of the Bible - unless you're totally and calculatedly ignorant of the same thing happening to numerous English qurans -

Nothing is wrong with revision of translation, if you can show us an original, different from translation. Can you show us an original and in the original language, please? Simple direct answer is required please.

The organization Muslims Against Sharia is creating a new Koran
with the violent verses removed. How legitimate and wise is this action?
There is an effort in Turkey, for instance, to also revise Islamic texts.
What real hope can these acts offer to bring Islam into the modern and
democratic world?

curled from: "Symposium: A New Koran?"
http://97.74.65.51/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=30658

And when they use it to conduct daily salah, etc, we in Islam worldwide we say in one single voice, they are not Muslims! Can you show me an original Bible in original language please, because we already know that Quran is in Arabic?

This is what the Muslims Against Sharia stated on their website:
"The following verses promote divisiveness and religious hatred, bigotry and discrimination. They must be either removed from the Koran or declared outdated and invalid, and marked as such."
Then follows a list of such verses -
read more here


Even where muslim bookshops advertise some copies of the quran for sale, they (the muslims themselves) have clearly stated that the copies they carry for sale are revisions of some major works of some translators - an example:


The Quran: Saheh International:
"This is the now-familiar Saheeh International English translation of the Qur'an. It includes original Arabic text. It is a paperback edition, measuring roughly 4" x 6". Saheeh International checked many previous translations verse by verse against accepted Arabic tafseer and revised the wording accordingly in clear, contemporary English.
http://islamicbookstore.com/b5269.html


I just don't see how some of you muslims (especially the ones on Nairaland) even try to operate on the borders of sanity. What is the headline news to you, muhsin, that you thought it erstwhile to even open this thread? Has the same thing not happened to the quran in the Islamic world - even by a major Muslim movement in Turkey who are sponsored to revise the quran by entirely removing numerous verses from its

While you are fighting your own emotion on this issue, everyone and their grandpaps know that Quran is in authentic arabic, what language is the Bible, and can you walk in to any Christian Bookstore and find the ORIGINAL with the ease that you will find Quran in any and all muslim Bookstore?

@Nezan: #38 on: November 12, 2009, 05:21 PM »

whether the Bible is revised or not, the basic message flows . . . so why are muslims crying? or do they now the Holy Bible as a devotional?

Right on. Right or wrong, he is a christian for life!

@Davidylan: « #30 on: November 11, 2009, 05:34 PM »

Quote from: toneyb on November 11, 2009, 05:29 PM
Some of them differ because some foot notes in some english version acknowledge or put some caveat saying that some verses are omitted because they do not appear in some early manuscripts. That constitute some difference. But that is not the point I was trying to make , the point I was trying to make is that even the KJV has been revised.


Each time i read this constant whine about "missing verses" it always amuses me. This is because at the end of the day you're basically talking of perhaps 1 or 2 missing verses! Besides the fact that some of the early writers may have consciously omitted a verse perhaps based on the audience they were writing for . . . it is possible that we lose some of these verses due to the level of preservation of these manuscripts. For instance certain books of the bible in the dead sea scrolls have numerous verses missing! That's because some of them are so badly damaged!

The revision of the KJV to the NKJV was primarily because some were no longer comfortable with the old version of English language employed with the KJV. Kinda makes your "point" moot.

David, you must be kidding! Is a single verse out of place not one enough to shame you out of the changing God's words/verses at will to satisfy human being? Pandering to the whim of humans at the expense of lying on God is paganism! Defend yourself, omo boy.

@Davidylan; « #17 on: November 11, 2009, 04:39 PM »

Considering the fact that the original manuscripts are available on the internet or on ebay as compilations . . . your bawling is just a sad indictment of your depraved state of mind. Case closed.

When you compare it side by side with your KJV, I guess it is a dead ringer, while NKJV will not match quite like that? I wonder what the Douwy Bible people will say about your finding?

@Davidylan: « #15 on: November 11, 2009, 04:27 PM »

Quote from: toneyb on November 11, 2009, 04:24 PM
So you and your family members now constitute what authority in christianity thou ridiculous and pathetic fool?

The fact that you and your equally deluded friends choose to use the KJV does not mean that it is without errors, it has a lot of errors in it hence the need for it to be reviowed and the birth of the NKJV.


No we dont . . . which is why only fools like you see "bible undergoes new revision" and automatically assume it applies for every christian out there.

The KJV contains errors . . . we already know that. We are not too blind to ignore them. Anything new you wanted to pass across to us?

David which Christians out there have a never revised, never edited original Bible? Are you one of them lucky ones with the original Bible, even though you said what you read is from 17th century at it earliest, while Christianity has been around since the first century? Even now, you have just confessed that you know that KJV contains error, but earlier in the year you had the audacity to ask me to show you an undiluted Bible, yet you are carrying around an error riddled copy, unless you will tell us here and now that whatever the Original was or is, it is error riddled? Yes, omo boy?

Dami lowun. Answer, ol boy.

@Davidylan: #13 on: November 11, 2009, 04:14 PM »

Quote from: toneyb on November 11, 2009, 04:13 PM
Is is the same KJV that contains a lot of errors(even in the opening verse) and had to be reviewed? Does this person knows that there is the NKJV?

thou fool . . . i know. I even have a copy.
I however retain and use exclusively the KJV and ditto for most of my family members and those i know.

Since you have copy of each, so am asking you which one is original and which one is fake? Or are the both originals regardless or are as a fact they are both fakes?

@Davidylan: « #4 on: November 11, 2009, 03:40 PM »

The deciet of the muslim . . . i've been reading KJV since 1985 . . . its remained the same since the 17th century.

I guess no one read any Bible prior to 17th Century? I there was an original before 17th Century's KJV, I wanna know where is it now? David, I will take you to task on this, in a new york minute.

@Olabowale:
The verses you claim are contradictory are not, in fact. Those are the two sides to the coin: there are times (like now) when you should answer a fool in his folly (like i am answering your folly), and there are times to ignore them (like no2Atheism often does, or like I do to Abuzola). Wisdom is dicerning the two because there are many gradations of fools. Soon I may relegate you to Abuzola's category. You should be happy there.

And when I was in my twenties, i had a typical broad shouldered look with the narrow waist tapering down like an athelete, what you see most men have. Am still that except that am not in my twenties anymore. This is your problem, thinking that you matter and a boss of anyone. Just like we all survived prior to Nairaand, and before you came on nairaland, those whom Allah Wills to survive will be just that. You are completely wrong and there is nothing foolish about me. what i am is that i am a muslim who does not care about the strenght in the numbers of the christians, as i dont lead my life by trying to satisfy anybody or be popular with any group. the christians i know have learnt a thing or two from me about not performing illegal sexual act, or involving myself in interest based transaction, while i affirm by conviction by position, willing to stand up for what i belief, within all legal means. my disagreement with you does not make me a fool. Maybe you will learn something in the future when somebody in your age group insults those elders you love, your mind will come to the post.

"tell me if God is a land dweller, street walker or God should have a son"? that is one of the dumbest apologetic questions I have ever heard. Sigh.

What apology, and yet you couldnt answer such a simple question? Has God ever walked the street? No! Proof; The Bible says that no one can ever see Him and live! Please top that answer, if you cant. Am sure will throw me a curve. But I will hit it out of the ballpark!

I hope your mother came back home like the Prodigal Son. As for your wife? I DARE YOU to show her this verse, I think she may not have a Bible.

1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

My lovely Mom Victoria Maryam Samuel, is done with 3 gods. And when I said boo, it was not in the american lingo. I dont roll like that. It was in the lingo of naija like ol boy, leave me boo (i think thats the spelling). Then I saw your pix, because you were between doubt and reality (typical of Christians's saying One God, and then three persons), the indecision about your email. Luvola or somebody left ther email, but I have no use for it. My mother didnt have a Bible alright. But come to think of it, she used to read Bible in English and in Yoruba as i was growing up!

My conclusion: Your learned wife was never a Christian, even though maybe she used to go to church. Or the delusions of romance have made her blind to reason. Women are known to be fickle many times when it comes to emotions, and I know that.

Every christian give this lame excuse. What about my mother, who in all the years that she married my father, and after his death, she remained Christian, though my wonderful father was a well known Muslim at least in Ijebu Ode communities, and she finally became a muslim? What about Seyi Williams, who tasted the sweatness of Islam and made the whole family accept it? My Allah guide you to the love of that Muslim young blood that you will fall head over heels for, so that your fickleness is apparent, emotional that you cant live without him, yet he will not sleep with you until both of you are married (Amin). My wife has since helped many in her family become muslim! I am not romancing each one of them, you know!

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By the way, Olabowale, here is the image about the path of the sperm. Compare it to your fallacy.

Qur’an 86:6-7 says that semen comes from between a man's backbone and ribs.

LOIN: side of the backbone between the hipbone and the ribs in humans as well as quadrupeds

A basic lesson in anatomy, allah failed this course in the demon's college. He got an F because there was no G or H grade.

I got this from http://www.coolschool.ca/lor/BI12/unit15/U15L02.htm because it was the only reference I found that had an image.

As some issues have been raised about trying to malign Quran about an ear of a corn becoming a 100 grain situation, I told the Christian that you have something similar in their Word of God, spoken (sorry spake) by the "word"; Jesus: I now cry in the fashion of Christian Jesus that him/her that has eyes let him/her read the bolded, below before trying to think they are teaching anyone anything, forgetting obviously that the semitic people speak in a way different from English people. I remember when phat meant nothing, except the hip hop culture now make people recognise it to be an acceptable word. Am sure if the Queen of Englan is told somebody is phat, she will have a different meaning that her grandchildren's intention.

The Parable of the Sower

"And when much people were gathered together, and were come to him out of every city, he spake by a parable: a sower went out to sow his seed: and as he sowed, some fell by the way side; and it was trodden down, and the fowls of the air devoured it. And some fell upon a rock; and as soon as it was sprung up, it withered away, because it lacked moisture. And some fell among thorns; and the thorns sprang up with it, and choked it. And other fell on good ground, and sprang up, and bare fruit an hundredfold. And when he had said these things, he cried, He that hath ears to hear, let him hear."—Luke 8:4-8.

@No2Atheism: You are right, sir. Very right. I think why I am trying to reason out these things is to clear the doubts of Muslims who have been wondering about all of this, and are not sure. This is not so much directed at the staunch Muslims, but for the inquiring and discerning ones to know the truth.  My wife was already a lawyer when I met her. It was the evidence that the learned fellow discovered that made her leave Christianity. Now my old mother left Christianity just before she turned 80, which was many years ago. God bless her. I simply ask her "tell me if God is a land dweller, street walker or God should have a son"? Alhamdulillah she left Christianity about 4 to 5 years later! Have the strenght to discuss with yourself about reality; am sure you will find that there is One God, and Trinity is a thing devoid of reality.

True, there are two sides to the coin.    Which side is christianity? And Allah is not an idol, maybe you mean the three you worship at least 2 of them must be idols?



(KJV)
Psa 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good. Is Allah not sufficient that there is no need three personality God or Gods?

Pro 26:4  Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him.  the below a verse next to this speaks completey opposite
Pro 26:5  Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit.  thisis the method I have used to answer, giving example

(MSG)
Psa 53:1 Bilious and bloated, they gas, "God is gone." It's poison gas-- they foul themselves, they poison Rivers and skies; thistles are their cash crop.  And One Whole God is deficient to three Gods, sorry persons?

Pro 26:4  Don't respond to the stupidity of a fool; you'll only look foolish yourself.
Pro 26:5  Answer a fool in simple terms so he doesn't get a swelled head.  i need to point you guys to this, since i think abuzola follows this statement to the last letter.

Mavenbox: do you any 50 something year old man slapped around? I am not one of them. In all my years as a grown man, I have not experience anyone slapping and it is not permissable to slap (usually the face) in Islam. Finally, dishonesty must be a cronic disease when people are intending to ignore the obvious; If i did not even answer any of your not so original list of questons or complaint about Islam, i wonder why you said now am beginning to get some responses and your follow up questions, example is the follow ups on "carpet!" As I have said, dishonesty is not a good irtue and should not count.

But I have a life. No? Should I not attend to it? I hate typing and its a pain for me to do any, and what am doing now is for the pleasure of Allah.

@no2Atheism: Tell me any rational in three gods, especially in the light of Jesus' Mark12 verse 29 declaration that God Lord is over him and his audience? Who is really blind in faith, dogma?

@luvola:« #30 on: Today at 05:16:27 PM »  

@ olabowale - agbalagba to ba rire fin dandan ni ki omode rinfin. i think u ar a means to peace here,u continue fueling d crisis here. control yur rat (abu) to stop his retard behaviour

How does the yoruba part apply to me coming from you? My simply responding to you without cursing anyone should be a telling sign that you cant ri mi fin. I remember noticing you when you cursed the prophet and my response to you was simply to correct you. Just because i dont buy to christianity is not enough to say moo nri ra mi fin. Never will Christianity and I be in the same onversation except that you say that there is that guy who is a muslim.

Carpet, depending on what is made of, its function can follow what is formed by. The carpet is normally walk upon because it covers the floor. no? I hae persian carpet that I only use for prayer. Another when I want to eat. The Turks have carpet that is made of Silk and believe me, you can cover your bed with it, since some homes in america, I have entered wher the bed cover is a buffaloo hide! Carpet takes the shape of what it covers, the shape of what is under it.

And since we do not walk on water all the time, but swim in water, but walk on the surface of solid soil earth an not in earth, under its top, it would have been an obvious false premise to say that the earth is spread for you oh man like water, since flowing water spreading is not solid, while the earth is solid, layer upon layer, hence Carpet fits while water as you suggested is absurd!

Is the shape of the floor not the shape of the outermost crust of the earth, really the shape of the earth, and is carpet not taking the shape of what is spread upon?

Aburo. Good bye, am tired and I have to attend to other things.

The sky could fall on our heads!

]quote]This god also reassures us in the Qur’an 22:65, that "He witholds the sky from falling on the earth except by his leave: for Allah is most kind and most merciful to man." The Qur’an is saying that the sky is a hard opaque object that could fall and injure/kill us. This is certainly how it appeared to ancient people, but not what we know from scientific evidence. Perhaps this god knew that the earth's atmosphere was just thin air and a mixture of gasses. But this would make him into a deceiving god, making an empty threat and telling blatant lies!

[/quote]Let me go by your thinking for a moment; sky is anything above the earth, but below the heavens. No? So if all of thse have been allowed to fall on mankind, we can only imagine what disaster the celestral bodies could have done! Even hail storm a mere frozen rain can kill people. Not all things that are hard are opaque. glass prizms are hard, and not opaque. In the sentence above the Quran was talking about Heaven, which your Bible says it gate opens up for spirit like "dove bird" flew from with a voice coming down beyond the gate. It must be something of solid for it to have a gate. no? So not telling the truth.

22 verse 65: See you not that Allah has subjected to you (mankind) all that is on the earth, and the ships that sail through the sea by His Command? He withholds the heaven from falling on the earth except by His Leave. Verily, Allah is, for mankind, full of Kindness, Most Merciful.

The Qur’an 19:90 also says that in regard to blasphemies against Islam, the skies are about to burst. The Qur’an 34:9 this god says of the pagans, "If we wished, we could cause the earth to swallow them up, or cause a piece of the sky to fall upon them" (see also 52:44). The concept of a hard sky is also seen in the way it is described as a canopy (Qur’an 2:22; 21:32; 40:64; 79:28), that will one day be ripped apart (Qur’an 55:37; 69:16; 73:18; 78:19; 82:1).

The Qur’an 70:8 tells us that one day the sky will be like molten brass. And one day the sky will be rolled up (21:104; 39:67).

Are you as a christian a proponent of seeing the "heaven open up and the spirit like a dove fly down (no time you guys lost sight of it; lol you didnt blink. haaaa), and hear a voice all the way from that far, you neither being a prophet, or messenger, saying this is my beloved son in whom an well pleased, while ordinary man John was baptising him, a thing that is not known to the Jews? Yet could not believe that if God does not prevent heaven from bursting and fall on those who say Allah has a son, if He had allow heaven, it would have just done so, since neither you nor I can prevent it, since no knowledge can prevent ordinary rain from falling.

Then the Qur’an unlocks to us a mystery about how the heavens and earth were made. In a rhetorical challenge to the pagans who rejected Islam, this god says, "Do not the unbelievers see that the heavens and the earth were joined together (as one unit of creation), before we clove them asunder?"

So far we are told that the earth is flat, the sky is hard and these two hard, opaque objects were once joined together, but this god pulled them apart, which explains the distance between the earth and sky. This is similar to the creation myths of the Australian Aborigines and New Zealand Maoris.

You are not telling the truth because there is no place in the Quran that earth is described as flat, the sky is stated to be hard, and these two hard, opaque objects were once joined together, but pulled apart! You now disappoint me. After this I quit in protest of your dishonest discuss. The Prophet never went to Australia and met the aborigines and or the New Zealand Maoris!



                                                                                        The sun moves around the earth.

]quote]The Qur’an talks of the earth in terms as if it were stationary, with the sun and stars moving around the earth (Qur’an 2:258; 21:33; 36:40; 52:49; 53:1). "It is he who created the night and the day, and the sun and the moon: all (celestial bodies) swim along, each in it's rounded course" (21:33). We know today that the sun is far bigger than the earth, and is drawing the round earth in it's orbit.[quote]

As a university student, please show me where in the bolded that you drew up your conclusion that earth is made show that it is stationary or that everything is moving around it as well? lol. But then, when you visually observe everything to the earth, eg the Sun "rising" in the morning and 'setting' at evening for night time, tell me what your eye tells you. Is the sun really rising or setting, except that it appears to be so? Just imagine if Quran does not resolve the visual on earth and the telescopic/space position observations, you may say Islam gave half or incomplete information!

The earth is spread out like a carpet.

The Qur’an 20:53, talks of God who has, ", made the earth for you like a carpet spread out, " (see also 71:19). This could hardly be a clearer way of describing the earth as flat. The Qur’an repeatedly refers to how the earth is "wide" or "spread out" (Qur’an 13:3; 15:19; 18:7; 19:6; 21:30; 35:40; 41:10; 43:10; 50:7; 51:48; 55:10; 78:6; 79:30; 88:20), which is not the language used to describe a round sphere.
Heavy mountains hold the earth in place.

No it does not mean that the earth is flat, and carpet takes the shape of whatever it covers or what it is on top! Disbelievers always search for ways to lie on Islam!

Just as one might use some bricks to hold the corners of a sheet on the ground in place on a windy day, so we are told of the role that mountains play in keeping the earth stable. The Qur’an 21:31, "And we have set on earth mountains standing firm, lest it should shake, "

So far we are the told that the earth is spread out like a carpet with heavy mountains to hold it in place.

Is the flat thing the only objects can be held down from being shaking etc? I am going to remind you of inflated baloons, without a string to tie it to a stabilizer.

But further evidence opens up that the Qur’an is indeed talking about a flat earth. Qur’an 18:47 says, "On that day we shall remove the mountains, and thou wilt see the earth as a level stretch, " (see also 20:104-107). In other words 18:47 & 20:107 are saying that once the mountains are removed, we will see to the end of the world, which is flat.

This is your warped opinion, because of your mind. A first year geography of tying long string to 2 sticks of equal height at a relatively good distance, say 50 yards, will let you see that the earth is naturally curve, and you know about vanishing point, the human sight can go so far, and cant see further than the horizon. I remember that i drove through that Mississippi river bridge in louisiana, and the big sky has its wide view, and vanishing horizon. In a neighborhood, if a building is demolished the soil or ground of the neighborhood will retain the original topography before the building was even erected. By the way, Allah says in the Quran that the mountains are stabilizers of the shaking earth! The carpet is what you traverse on, so is the whole earth!

Sick myths.

In the Hadith, Muhammad explains the cause of fever and the reason for high body temperatures - they come from the fire of hell (Bukhari 4:483, 486). From today's medical studies, we know the real cause of fevers.

The most common cause of fevers is viral infections like influenza, as seen in a cold or sore throat. Most other fevers (in temperate climates) are from bacteria, which affect the respiratory system, bowels, urinary tract and intestines. Fevers in tropical climates are caused by protozoa (parasites larger than bacteria).

What causes the cause that causes the cause that causes the cause that cause, etc Fever? Even from a layman point of view, I know that fever is at least assumed to be a sort of difficulty and not pleasure on the body and soul of the sufferer! It would not have to be one of the things from Paradise. Am sure if Jesus have said it, you would have absorbed it without any second thought; hook line and sinker!

Lovola: Am sorry to call you sis. Sorry bro. Owo ni omode ma nbu fun agbalagba nile yoruba. She e ti gbo sunwon ju she o ti gbo. Egbe eye leye maa nto lori igi.

Miscellaneous errors.

The Qur’an has other errors of nature, where 51:49, says of life in creation, "And of everything we have created pairs that ye may reflect" (see also 43:12; 50:7). So for all animals they are created in pairs. This is an obvious denial of the fact that numerous species produce asexually, not in pairs.

Any asexual specie to you alread have the "pair" organs in itself; male and female. I remember that corn has male and female organs, fertilizing itself and others. Or do we just see a male mango tree, and the other is the female, hence the male mango tree does not fruit? lol.

And Mary, a human being produced a baby singly without a male sperm! And even after you erronously say that she is married to sexual old man carpenter Joseph, you still call her Virgin. Is it your claim that the man did not have sexual intercourse with her, or what?



[quote]The Qur’an also contains scientific anachronisms of longevity. The Qur’an 18:25 tells the story of some men who slept in a cave for 309 years. Why they did not die very soon due to dehydration and lack of sunlight is not explained.

You are the same woman who ignorantly believe that Jesus died and woke up, after a badly calculated 3 days, from Friday evening, through sunday just after dawn? you are the same person who believes that the bone of dead Elijah or Elisha (i dont know which one of them, soo) raised alive a long dead man, while he cant raise himself us, remaining dead? Now Do you think it will be impossible for Allah the Creator of Adam from dush and water to keep a person preserved even in the state of death? Now if Jesus was lifted up to heaven by God, Jesus must pass through all the layers where there is no oxygen, and get extremely cold or extremely hot as his position is relative to the sun. Jesus is not damaged, no? so explain it to me, while you will not even accept the preservation of people as Allah wishes them on earth. But the learned jews are aware of this people, and if you know any ultra orthodox Jew/rabbi, asking him as if you are learning abou Judaism, and not saying here is what Muhammad said, confirm whereby he will deny it!

The Qur’an 37:143-144 also talks of how the prophet Jonah was swallowed by the fish, this god in the Qur’an says, "Had it not been that he repented and glorified Allah, he would certainly have remained inside the fish till the day of resurrection." We know from scientific, biological studies, that the fish (had it not vomited him up) would have digested Jonah, which would have seen him dead and defecated out of the fish. As for the fish, long before the day of resurrection it would have been well and truly dead and rotted away.

When we look at the condition of Jonah, we see that it was a miracle that he survived as long as he did, living breathing undigested. Jonah did not eat through his ordeal, and we did not see how he was able to breath and his body remained as a functional normal human body, alive throughout. Whales if they swallow anything alive, will it remain alive more than few moments after it, and 3 days will have to be consider a phenom. We see that when the whale attacks shark, it does it by killing it first. when it attacks seal, it kills it, turning the water surface red with blood! My observation, again about Jonah is that Allah saved him and if He had wished that he remained alive inside the belly of the whale, it would not have been difficult, considering that it is He Who created all things and have full control over life and death. Let me exite you, Melchezdekes the king of Salem was without father or mother and no one knows his origin and no one knows his beginning or his end. All of these are from your Bible. If God is able to create things and keep them as much as He Wills, why is it impossible for you people to see that God is capable of keeping Jonah and his host whale alive, if that was determined so?

But wait; Allah says that the body of red sea drowning at the time of Exodus shall be preserved for the later generations of man to see. today, the body of this pharaoh (laana tullah) is the least degraded of all corpses seen based on how long it has existed, and the most cared for. In view of this then, Allah would have made it possible, a way to keep Jonah and Whale alive, but Jonah repented, praising his Lord even inside the whale, in the mist of the disolving acid, liquids, alive through it all. And interestingly, Abraham was thrown in the fire and he did not get burnt to crisp! Can you explain how?

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Genetic myths.

The Qur’an has many genetic myths about how humans are born, etc. The Qur’an 86:6-7 says that semen comes from between a man's backbone and ribs. We know today from biology studies that semen comes from the male Instruments, so once again, a very inaccurate statement coming from the Qur’an.

Please show us the diagram of sexual organs of man and let us hash out the issue of the location! I wager with you that you will see part of it, especially the part where the gushing (accelerating) occurs will be between the loin at the bottom and the rib region at the top (that part is near the bladder where then the speed begins downward) in the process of leaving the body to the woman's body! Please whoever wants to argue should be prepared to show us the path sperm/semen takes; I jokingly call it EULER PATH.

In the Hadith, Muhammad was given a revelation from the angel Gabriel as to why a child resembles the father sometimes, and other times the mother. The angel told him that it depends on which parent reaches their sexual climax first during conception (Bukhari 4:546). This has been disproved by genetics.

Is there an absolute scientific certainty against what the Messenger said, so that you can present it? I am a father of two young men. Both of my boys look exactly like me, even from their back. I will not tell you which one of us came first, since I did not know which intecourse resulted into any pregnancy. I will believe what a prophet say, rather than dismissing it because some scientists who have not collected any data on the subject is telling otherwise!

The Qur’an also tells us that the prophet Jesus was created from dust (3:59) in Mary's womb (19:20-23). Why she did not get tuberculosis with the dust in her body seems even more miraculous.

The Christian says as she buries the dead "dust to dust." Please tell me where dust should even be mentioned, except that we as humans are created from Adam, being his children and Adam is directly created from dust. No? Now then, we leave on the land, whether we are meat eater or vegetarian, everything comes from land, dust. Was Jesus mother Maryam not from the human race? Was jesus not from the human race? I believe that Jesus is the son of human mary and the two geneologies mention men, humans. No?

Maybe I need to start teaching theology at Chapel Hill? And Luvola, how am I speaking Jargons? Pleaase explain, sis, since the accuser has the burden of proof(s).

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Sigh. This is embarrassing. See these guys derailing the thread again.

What has scientific evidence got to do with beating your wife like a goat? I can never marry a Muslim and that's just it, so I have no concerns with wife-beating fanatics.

Where did I say science or scientific in my post talking about beating or not beating a woman? Now tell me, the Christians who beat their women; girlfriends, wife, where did they copy that behavior considering that they do not read Quran, and what they read is the Bible? I am hoping that you have an inner eye to see?

In fact, I quit on this thread. Until I see someone reasoning rationally with me. Peace.

P.S. Here's an opportunity for you guys to say whatever you wish on the thread. You can even abuse me if you want, I dont care. As long as my questions are not answered, I will leave you in peace. The worst form of delusion is when the person hallucinating cannot even see him/herself in the picture of the hallucination. He/She may never snap out of it.

If the glove fits, wear it, aburo. I hope that you may also see yourself as the person hallucinating here.

Miscellaneous errors.
The Qur’an has many miscellaneous scientific errors on a number of different issues.

I dont have the energy to answer each of your concerns, so I will attach them a bit at a time.

Qur’an 2:261 tells us that every ear of corn has 100 grains. This has not been proven scientifically and is more than obviously false. It brings into question the scientific accuracy of the Qur’an and whether the Qur’an is really addressing scientific issues.

Ebenezer Obey from the Biblical accont of the sower said that the seed on the good soil "o so googun, o so gogogbo, Ogoji, ogoji, adota, adota, ogorin ogorin, " and for those of you who do not speak yoruba, it means 20 20, 30 30, 40 40, 50 50. Now see what your Bible say and get me the exact number and correllate it with any seed's "harvest" as it is the result of good germination. If a seed of corn germinates and has a good harvest, how many ears of corn harvested from the stalk? Why dont we say 7 to 10, and each ear to even have 100 grains is a sign of tremendous reward from a simple thing as a germinated grain of corn! Do you speak Arabic? When the arabs say 7 times or say 70 times, it means it is almost uncountable, unreal, tremendous!

There are many absurdities of talking in the teachings of Muhammad. In the Hadith (traditions of what Muhammad said and did), we find more. We are told that stones talked to Muhammad (Bukhari 1, p. vii), that food talked to Muhammad while he was eating it (Bukhari 4:779) and a tree cried because Muhammad would not preach near it (Bukhari 2:41; 4:783). After Muhammad comforted the tree, it stopped crying (ibid). For this to be true, stones, trees and food would have to have at least lungs, a respiratory system, vocal cords and a tongue. One has to wonder if you could be more absurd than this?

Aburo, young sister, could I remind you of the fact that the Christians and the jews, and am going to leave the Muslims out of it, for a minute, believe that when God wanted to create Adam, the angles were asked to go to the earth and get the amount for his creation. Every angel was stopped from getting the required amount of soil, because the earth begged each of them by God's name. It was then that angel of death was sent, and though the earth begged him, he refused because he needed to carry out the command of his Lord.

Now, the earth spoke many times in this story of the event of getting the ingredient to create Adam. But hold it. Is this the only time things that are not animals spoke? No. The Bible spoke about a bush is talking, where it says that it is is "God", to the listener, Moses. Whats so interesting here is that at the end of this fire, the bush was not consumed, a thing of Miracle allowed to be witnessed by a prophet; Moses!

My dear sister, is Muhammad (AS) to the Muslim not like the prophet Moses (AS) to the Jews? Of course yes, because in Surah Baqarah Islam under Muhammad is what brought me and all muslims from the darkness of ignorance of disbelief (slavery of Ignorance) to freedom in true belief in One Complete God, while Moses took his people from slavery in Egypt to full freedom under him. Let me just tell you, the Jews just as well as the Christians are now in slavery of disbelief, since they are deviants from the ways of the prophets, and rejecting the last prophet! Which of the two Biblical stories is more plausible than the stone, Tree, and others talking to Muhammad (AS), while the tree stump in the Mosque was witnessed by many and the tree and stones were witnessed by even nonmuslims, their reasons for conversions? There used to be a toy in the days that was a dancing rock or a singing rock. Technology can produce this, will anything be impossible for Allah to do to honor His prophet, showing that the prophet is from Him?

Muslims, have responded to Christians by saying that the Bible is even more absurd where Daniel saw a vision of some talking horns on a beast. There is a difference, however. Daniel was looking at a symbolic, apocalyptic vision that is not meant to be taken literally.

Forget Daniel. Lets deal with the whole of the Bible. Is Jesus also was not speaking literally, then tell me the unsymbolic meaning of Mark 12 Verse 29 and then compare it to any verse where Jesus is said to be God. I want you to tell me reality of the Bible. Lets deal with Jesus because I know that Moses is only a prophet and others like Moses know Allah is Creator/God. God is Unseen and no one can see Him and lives' now tell me literal and or symbolic (metaphoric), since Jesus is seen and no one dies because of that?

The Qur’an 5:6, says that if there is no water to clean oneself with, you should use sand as a substitute for water. Firstly this is very unhygienic, since sand is full of dust and is unclean. Even if the God of the Qur’an had not been addressing scientific issues, one would wonder why he would not know that sand is unhygienic and dangerous for one's health, thus warning them against it.

Am going to shock you, woman. Let me ask you, which part of the body that is more dangerous, where risking disease is a possibility, inside of a man or his skin? I will say the inside and it is not uncommon even here in America to see little babies whose immunity is still very weak will put sand/dust and anything that can enter the mouth, in his mouth. and in africa, am sure the african children when crawling in villages put sand/soil/dust in the mouth. No, african woman?

In america the baseball game is played on dirt, and even you ms. hygiene must have ingested sand. No? Finally, we do have a country called Haiti just the twin country to Santo Domingo. Mud pie is a stable meal in Sauto Soulle, I hope I got the spelling right, but it is the worst place on the Northern hemisphere.

So girl, your complaint about using sand to wipe, is not scientifically sound, while the alternative is to leave the body not wiped and unclean, filthy and smelly! Is that you want, boo? Thats not acceptable for any human being, except thiose who are demented. Let me tell you sisi, if I were in a place where I will have to pee, and there is no water to rinse what i must rinse after it, I will use by spit/saliva, instead of soiling my undercloth with droplets of Urine!