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 Islam › Re: What Religion Did The People Of Arabia Practise Before Islam? by olabowale(m): 4:01pm On Nov 29, 2009 |
@dexmond: « #67 on: Today at 01:11:19 PM » @ POSTER The religion of Meccans Muhammed introduced Islam is not fundamentally different. [/quote]the name is Muhammad. And Islam was in the community of people, mankind in the form specific to each prior to the time of Muhammad (as) whom Allah(SWA) perfected it upon. My proof is that I can show you some Bani Israel who call themselves Jews today, and the other; who call themselves Christiams still prostrating themselves in Prayer, exactly like muslims!Unless we are saying thet before Noah's floord the builder, Adam (as) was a pagan, and after the flood the rebuilders Ibrahim being supported by his son Ismail (AS) were both pagans, then, your idea that Kaaba was build, prior to Muhammad's Islam was by pagans and not by noted human personalities, as mentioned above? The black stone that muslims kiss duing Hajj was kissed by the pagans too.Am sure Ibrahim kissed it and many of the bani Israil and bani Hashim did. Example is Waraqah, the big Christian arab! No? Just like his circumcision and he didnt do it because of Christianity, because am almost sure if you are circumcised, it is not because you are a Christian, but me, my circumcision was because I am primarily a muslim! My father saw to it that was the case. The pagans run round the Kabbah too just as Mulims do today. The only major difference is that ALL THE ABOUT 350 IDOLS WHERE REMOVED LEAVING OUT allahIf you are not a liar, you should be able to point out where the idol allah is kept, still. No? and thus declared to be the only true god instead of the Jews Allah(Jehovah).The Kufr of Nigeria is now claiming Jew Allah to be Jehovah! You see how these have baked faith can easily twist things around? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Prayer For President Musa Yaradua Of Nigeria by olabowale(m): 5:30am On Nov 29, 2009 |
listening to the 2 classes of disbelievers (atheists and christians) argue about prayer for a muslim President Yar Adua is funny! if he is a true muslim, he will never entertain prayers from either! he will pray to Allah for himself by himself and further ask muslims to prayer for him, expecting them to readily do it! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: God Killed Himself To Redeem Our Sins. *hilarious* by olabowale(m): 4:14am On Nov 29, 2009 |
@whoisallah: « #4 on: Today at 02:43:38 AM » @abuzola,lol. this dude doesnt quit easy, but open up himself for logical assults. there is nothing called sallah, but id adha where you kill ram! i thought you said your father is a muslim, though we know that you werent truthful when you initially said he was an imam? if you had came from a muslim family, you would never be saying sallah. but the ram is in the tradition of prophet Ibrahim's obedience to Allah in his dream of saxrificing Ismail (AS)! lol. you see it was not Isiaqa (AS). could you from your above states that the sacrifice of ram by muslim is similar to your claimed death of Jesus? while the sacrifice shall not be the topmost in protecting muslims from entering Hell, isnt it the killing according to you of jesus that will make you enter heaven (there are 7 heavens and in heavens we have many things including Paradise and Hell)? please respond to my question about jesus death according to the christian equals to the ram of the muslim. 1 Like |
| Islam › Re: Why Does The Crescent Moon Symbol Sit On Top Of Mosques? by olabowale(m): 3:49am On Nov 29, 2009 |
focused 123, if Allah says face the Qibla (directional Object) that is dear to your heart, and it is Masjid Haram where the Kaaba is the symbol of it, will you not quit worshipping three gods and join me in true worship of your Creator? My proof is that Kaaba, when you can see it, regardless of whatever direction you are of it, you will have no choice but to face it! This simply means that if two people are on opposite sides of this central object called kaaba, the face it, facing each other with the kaaba as the Qibla between them. focused123. do you have a thing of order, unifying thing like that in your religion? |
| Islam › Re: Death Of Jesus,evidence From The Quran. by olabowale(m): 3:30am On Nov 29, 2009 |
@Niyi53: « #25 on: Yesterday at 10:01:21 PM » I am not rejecting the hadith. If you read bukhari very well, you will come across where the holy prophet (saw) gave the description of the jesus of the israelites and the description of the coming jesus. Though it was a vision. That of the first jesus was described under the tradition which discusses about the miraj, while that of the later jesus was described under the traditions which discusses about dajjal.May Allah give knowledge toall who wishes to have it. May the knowledge be beneficial. May we all receive Allah's Mercy. Amin. Niyi, there is no 2 Jesus and when the prophet (as) described Jesus in either place as you indicated above, each description is partial description and you will find complete description when you merge the two together. Neither disagrees with the other, but compliments it. There is only a bani Israil Isa bin Maryam, the one who lived and lifted to heaven, presently in second heaven, met Muhammad in the company of Jibril and prayed behind Muhammad (AS) and who will return to earth to pray Magrib behind the Mahdi, and fight Dajjal (lana) and part of the signs of the end of time. Hadith, Bukhari or others must agree with the Quran. Please know that Muhammad saw the physical Isa bin Maryam, and not just by vision. One of the things we must never forget is that Allah revealed the things that He wished Adam (AS) to know as an indication of 'knowing all' while the Angels only know what Allah wished them to know! So it was the greater knowledge that Allah impacted on Adam, while depriving the Angels of such a vase knowledge, while the Angels could not name things, Adam was! Can we then say that Allah's given knowledge to Muhammad about Jesus is not complete, or the authentic hadith will disagree with the Quran? It is not possible to have two Jesus, because one will become like the Christians who talks about two Adams, and two covenants, and two testaments! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Says The Earth Is Flat While Quran Says Its Spherical, Wow by olabowale(m): 3:25pm On Nov 28, 2009 |
where are you Voltron, and how dare you abusing Nuclearboy? never do that again, Voltron. Its not nice and its unIslamic. Now nuclearboy, you are a gentleman, be honest, what did Voltron say to you that became tantanimous to "abuse and insult"? In fairness to Voltron (lol) I am trying to locate who says something violent, mindless (all lies are mindless, so those who say god is 3 are minless speakers), non-communicative that you wrongfully (i know the truth of Islam more than you, reason am in it and trying to steer many who will listen to it, through its tenets, the first about Allah being Sole God) labelled violent, versus the meek, turn the other cheek (and you know for sure christianity is neither meek nor turning the other cheek since its adherents have never seen a war that he/she didnt enter into its battle, ever and very apparent now that it is in the driver seat. be honest) Christianity that is still very oppressive? What do you think that Abuzola does not know about Christianity that he needs to know? lets start from the concept of belief in God; should he leave One Sole Complete God for piecemeal, three parter gods, one succumbing to death from the hands of few bod guys, less than a whole state in my beloved Nigeria, while the other is just a ghostly thing and the most powerful could not even consolidate the power enough that He would be absolute in Power having no comparative advantage over the other two, poorly labelled as father? Is One God Who is All Complete in Attributes better than compartmental gods? let me just leave you to tackle this first, while Abuzola is taking a breather, and you cant chalk it up to say that viltron and others, except Abuzola and niyi53 you will not answer to what the muslims ask you! Stand up for christianity, man. if you prayed that muslims except Abuzola and Niyi53 are the only ones that will pay attention to you, i have news for you; God has not accepted that prayer. am sure InshaAllah, such a prayer will not be accepted by God. You cant bash His prescribed Map for success on humans, and expect His Support! No way, nuclearboy! Report to moderator 208.54.90.65 |
| Islam › Re: Suicide Bombing- The Isamic Agenda by olabowale(m): 3:17pm On Nov 28, 2009 |
does skyone ever analyse what he writes? no. reason, how can a muslim be going to church at the same time? whats in the church that merits a spiritual visit; is it the half naked man on the cross considered dead by those who are in the church at least, for some time while i say that at that time he fainted at best not showing any impulse or other signs of still being alive? what gon gon, skyone? as a man who had married a christian in my days of ignorance, i am sure that your wife was never a muslim, and she was always a christian based on the nurturing from her mother. and i blamed her father who remained with a keferi, and he should have told her that you cant serve masters while i serveMaster, or take my position get away from disbeliever, period! my worldwide people in islam especially the yorubas dont marry kiriyo o, because what you get is bad and weakened religion of islam and worse, a complete kufr. i woner what jesus will do? this is a what would jesus do; would he have married to a christian of today? by the way skyone if i show you christian tradition that is still being practised, today but older than your insolency of arrogancy which prevents you fromt prostrating your face to One God, instead kneeling to three gods, will you leave the way of christianity? it is selfishness on your part and that of your wife to not try to invite her father to the way of three gods if you are certain that it is worth the effort. no? me, i am inviting my wife's mother and father and all her family members. if they accept, it is a benefit for their own souls. if the refuse, i am free of their blames, because none of them will say that the invitation is not extended to them by Zaynab, their family member! |
| Islam › Re: Why Illiteracy & Poverty Persist Among Moslems? by olabowale(m): 2:46pm On Nov 28, 2009 |
reindeer reminded me of dr. ekpo eyo's renaging on the hippocratical oath, when it was convenient for his silliness. .dr. reindeer can deny that he never had a muslim medical professor, or met any muslim doctor, even today who is an indegenous of lagos! as i hate to point out to him, believing that he should have known better; the lagosian muslims occupy other important positions, eg governorship, etc. or am i incorrect, de doc? and am sure somewhere in yorubaland, so that no one accuses me of making example of other people, there must be somebody in the motor park, say in ondo state or ekiti state who is a christian. no? there is nothing called barka de salah, but id sayd mubarak, since salah is the name of all prayers, including the 5 daily ones. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Says The Earth Is Flat While Quran Says Its Spherical, Wow by olabowale(m): 2:06pm On Nov 28, 2009 |
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| Islam › Re: Suicide Bombing- The Isamic Agenda by olabowale(m): 1:21pm On Nov 28, 2009 |
« #14 on: November 25, 2009, 11:48 PM »The two bolded speak volume, but which one is really Skyone, while the other is not him? Or is skyone both at the same time, like god and man at the same time? You know what am talking about! Am sure your family is gorgeous. What about you, if we look at the above! |
| Islam › Re: Sallah Greetings to all Nairaland Muslim Ummah by olabowale(m): 2:48pm On Nov 27, 2009 |
id sayd mubarak, amantum bi khair. i will pray behind a muslim leadership i may dislike because the unity of the ummah is a greater essence than the differences of the divisions, in as long as a persom says laa il ha ilAllah Muhammadanr rasulUllah, making 5 salah eeryday, etc, i will ignore his other specific issues, prays for his improvements, talking to him for a better understanding. unless you are making hajj in ihram clothing, you can cut your nails, get hair cut, take shower and definitely, illusion2 it is prophetic sunnah to shave or cut very low the pubic hair, every 40 days, max! what you like sometimes may not be good for you. by the way, it is sunnah to eat meat after the id prayer/salah, whether you make sacrifice or not, if you are old enough to fast, and also fasting is recommended on the day of arafat even if you did not fast from the first day of the month through day of arafat. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: No One seems to be Talking About Nigeria's Growing Chrislamic Community by olabowale(m): 2:23pm On Nov 27, 2009 |
they are just as wrong as being plainly christians! come to think of it, they are on the wrong path like noetic is with his sutana! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Says The Earth Is Flat While Quran Says Its Spherical, Wow by olabowale(m): 2:15pm On Nov 27, 2009 |
nuclearboy suddenly becomes short-sighted, and cant read anything except its from abuzola! let me tell you, what the samaritan did was not love but kindness to a complete stranger! love is something different, so is forgiveness, and you could be kind to a person who you do not love, a greater kindness compared to the type for those who you love! i simply supply a better analysis of the bible story nuclearboy used to peddle his mislabel 'love' and gave himbetter verses that talks about love in the Quran, while you see kindness and all sort of great human qualities of good manners, kindness, mercy, etc. from now on, i will ignore nuclearboy and let my man abuzola deal with him. answering-christianity.com is a great website to show Quran is superior! let me attend to other issues including the older friend in abuja peddling christianity to me. the gloves are already off my hands and InshaAllah is faith in 3 gods will be shaken to its foundation, soon! |
| Islam › Re: Why Illiteracy & Poverty Persist Among Moslems? by olabowale(m): 5:47am On Nov 27, 2009 |
am sure the motor parks of igboland where few igbos are muslims are stocked by fatai, qudus, etc, exactly like what you have in lagos!. reindeer must have always been in lagos island so he does not know what happens in the motor parks where there are no significant percentages of muslims! this is my sarcasm with you, knowing fully well that you are not from lagos, wink. wink! i hope reindeer gets the rhetorical of this writing. oh, focused123, islam is beyond nigeria, i hope you know that! |
| Islam › Re: Words Of Wisdom From The Qur'an by olabowale(m): 5:25am On Nov 27, 2009 |
shall we challenge focused123 to pull out satanic verses from the 60 listed about, or from the Quran if he can, and after both or either to list 60 good words of wisdom or decency from the whole bible, just in the same manner as we have from the thread starter, above. when you fail in any of the three divisions, then accept your defeat if there is a shred of honor, good manner left! |
| Islam › Re: Death Of Jesus,evidence From The Quran. by olabowale(m): 12:41am On Nov 27, 2009 |
I was just wondering if the foundamental question about Jesus to Niyi53 is if he can tell us how Jesus left from being removed from the hanging tree (if he did not die on the cross) to getting himself to India where Niyi53 says he died, shunting all the things that are in the Quran (being lifted up to Allah in body and soul. By the way thats the same way that Muhammad (AS) was lifted to heavens in Isra wa Miraj night journey), and the injuction that isa bin Maryam will be returned to earth? I read above where Niyi53 said that the Jesus to return marking a sign of the end of time is not the same as isa bin Maryam! Which isa will be coming back and how do you rekorn this and will that Jesus die before the ressurrection of all mankind, to begin judgement? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Says The Earth Is Flat While Quran Says Its Spherical, Wow by olabowale(m): 12:14am On Nov 27, 2009 |
@PastorAIO: « #134 on: Today at 09:41:58 PM » Please sir, since all the prophets of the old testament were sent strictly to the Jews, and Mohammed was sent to Arab people, or even as you claim to the whole world as the last prophet, I was wondering . . . Do you have any knowledge of any prophet that were sent to other peoples, such as the chinese, or the Iroquois or even the yoruba people (since this one will be easier for you)? If you do could you please share.There were 124,000 Messengers and or Prophets to Mankind, starting from Adam and ending with Muhammad (AS)! You will have to agree that from these number, each group must have had its own prophet (AS)! My statement is from Quran and its explanation in the hadith which mentioned this number! We must never forget that some of what mankind worships today none of them may have called himself a diety of any kind. Take the case of Jesus as a good illustration. He never called himself God, otherwise he will not be having a God himself! Use this modality to work out others you can think of. Because I'm sure the ever merciful Allah would have sent a prophet to the Yoruba people who are 1st cousins with Arabs even to the point that your senior brother resembles an arab.Pastor, stop pandering. Have you never seen a Yoruba person who have slanted eye like Chinese or havent you met a chinese who will tell you that he/she have met a nigerian or an african with a Buhdda face? In 1997/8, I spent my last ten days of the fast in a masjid on 9th street and 1st avenue in Manhattan. Some Kuwaiti old people came for dawah to the US, in the good old days before the infamous 911. I remember that one of them was so Yoruba that he could have been put in any neighborhood Yorubaland, and you will never have known that he was from a far away land! Bandabas, the former Saudi Ambassador to DC was like many people from Trinidad that I personally know, and some Nigerians! Have you ever seen a black brit who will pass for 9ja? I know many yanks who will fit snuggly in Igboland, Yorubaland, Hausaland and any others! While you are making light of my reality, one of my brothers who look like an arab could easily be known and searched out in his home now around Ago Woye because of his role in the Ogun State Education System, but I will never release my last name, but am from Ijebu Ode! Now about Muhammad (AS); I will like you to know that he was the only one sent to all mankind, in one shot, like like somethings are unique, Muhammad is unique like that! How many gods/Gods are there? Many. You dont need me to know that, since the Onisongos believe that Songo is their God. And the Buhddists believe that Buhddah is their God, too. How many true God are there? One. God Almighty. How many true Messenger and Prophet sent to all mankind if we listen to what they say that they sent with, the revelation? Only one Messenger and Prophet, Muhammad (AS), in the Quran and hadith! These are from the Book of Allah given to him and from his own mouth! How many first men created? One man, Adam (AS)! How many first women created? One woman. Hawa. Finally, is there a reason to send any worldwide messenger and or prophet prior to sending the last worldwide messenger and or prophet? No reason because get something right the first and the last time, both occuring at the same time, is what getting it right once and for all really is! And we have seen that no real Message (risala) revelation (kitab) way (deen) messenger since The Islam with the Quran given to Muhammad (AS)! As regards to a previous thread you wrote to me, I would not want you to show me any partiality on the basis of whether I come from Owo or not. Please, just always speak your mind to me. I don't care for nepotism. Thank you.My brother in humanity, I care less about where a person comes more than the good that comes from him/her! Am not an Owo man, since my father is not from Owo and my stinch in there was just for High School, further only a bastard will claim their mother's while rejecting father's! You spoke a word which I think must be Owo, and I dont know the word, so I was just curious. Thats all. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Says The Earth Is Flat While Quran Says Its Spherical, Wow by olabowale(m): 11:25pm On Nov 26, 2009 |
@Nuclearboy: I shall direct you to many websites and just a few verses from the the Quran to whet your appetite, hence you do your own reseach because the verses that speak about love on all mankind are very many. You also need to do the Tafsir on them for a clear understanding since scientist are almost in the exactness of information! And Nuclearboy should note that the action of the "Samaritan" was not love nor forgiveness, but Mercy! www.harunyahya.com/justice4.php - Cached www.answering-christianity.com (I advise whoever seek more knowledge to go to this site because it deal with a lot of subject matters including the rebuttals of the lies from all the anti-Islam sites). please go under good manners, then subtitles; further good manners in Islam, repel evil with good, do not be a stuck up, Allah commands muslims to deal justly and mercifully with non muslims; mankind in general, Narrated Jarir bin 'Abdullah: "Allah's Apostle said, 'Allah will not be merciful to those who are not merciful to mankind.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, ONENESS, UNIQUENESS OF ALLAH (TAWHEED), Volume 9, Book 93, Number 473)" Let us look at Noble Verse 17:37 "Nor walk on the earth with insolence: for thou can not rend the earth asunder, nor reach the mountains in height." Let us look at Noble Verse 23:96 "Repel evil with that which is best: We are Well-acquainted with the things they say." Let us look at Noble Verse 41:34 "Nor can goodness and evil be equal. Repel (evil) with that is better: Then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate!." Let us look at Noble Verse 28:54 "Twice will they be given their reward, for that they have persevered, that they avert evil with good, and that they spend (in charity) out of what We have given them." Let us look at Noble Verse 42:40 "The recompense for an injury is an injury equal thereto (in degree): but if a person forgives and makes reconciliation, his reward is due from Allah: for (Allah) Loveth not those who do wrong." "Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men; for Allah loves those who do good. (The Noble Quran, 3:134)" Seek the abode of the Hereafter with what God has given you, without forgetting your portion of the world. And do good as God has been good to you. And do not seek to cause corruption in the earth. God does not love corrupters. (Qur'an, 28:77) Then, is it to be expected of you, if you were put in authority, that you will do mischief in the land, and sever your ties of kinship? Such are the people God has cursed, making them deaf and blinding their eyes. (Qur'an, 47:22-23) God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you over religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just. God merely forbids you from taking as friends those who have fought you over religion and driven you from your homes and who supported your expulsion. Any who take them as friends are wrongdoers. (Qur'an, 60:8-9). |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Says The Earth Is Flat While Quran Says Its Spherical, Wow by olabowale(m): 9:19pm On Nov 26, 2009 |
@Nuclearboy: « #128 on: Today at 08:04:03 AM » @Abuzola:I hope that nuclearboy realised that the three sets of people used above, none of them was a follower of Jesus, especially the "Samaritan" was definitely not? If that is established I will first show that even Jesus himself from the pages of the Bible did not follow this very "injuction" of his! Please note that Jesus rubbished a people who are not part of the Children of israel, though semitic like them as in the compared likeness of "dogs" when he expressed that these people cant fit to have what the "Israelites" were having. Further his discriminatory action was not based on belief, alone, but based on race, not trying to elevate others but specifically saying that they are not in the fold of those who should get the benefit of the "Goodnews" he came with; "he being sent only to the lose sheep of the house of Israel!" Finally, just to enlighten ourselves about how wrong a person who holds the card that Jesus loved unmitigatedly, without any discrimination, he Jesus according to your Bible, while on the cross did not forgive a thief, that very thief that was being nailed like him, on his left! Red is used for the words of Jesus above.The samaritan was not a follower of Jesus when he did this good deeds, because all those who followed Jesus were from the nations of Israel, the 12 nations and the samaritan people are not one of these 12! Please dont pull over our eyes, and at best Jesus was saying to his people to follow the action of those who are not even from the pedigree, the Israelites, because it is not the pedigree that counted by faith, good deeds, etc. Though we see that Jesus did not follow his own advise, if you refer to my above! You will find them in the pages of your Bible, so dont say its not true without arguing it out in the Bible, first! |
| Islam › Re: Bida Youth Protesters Want Man With 86 Wives To Be Put To Death by olabowale(m): 8:07pm On Nov 26, 2009 |
oh have they protested against the powerful who performed zina, emptying the government cofers, or other atrocities, like diversion of oil allocations to their personal sales, etc, etc? the hypocritical nigerian society! |
| Islam › Re: Bida Youth Protesters Want Man With 86 Wives To Be Put To Death by olabowale(m): 7:58pm On Nov 26, 2009 |
i would not mind if focused123 insulted me since he has insulted his Creator and the messengers and prophets (AS) by insulting the last of them (AS), so who am i that he would not insult, except if his moral compass is pointed the wrong direction. now that i have made this statement, i do not expect nothing less than the dung coming from him, therefore i say he does not from his posts, while he insults the above, he also insults parents of discussants having opposite view from what he holds, so he may be speaking through the derrie, instead of mouth! though it is my opinion that the people who lived the community, prior before they declared Sharia as the rule they now see to govern themselves, where were they when the man married more than 4 the max allowed at anytime, except the exception of what Allah gave to the messenger, if you read the Quran's surah Azhab. Allah says about the messenger in that surah that no more wives even if all of them were to have died or after that verse divorced while neither of these conditions is applied to the muslims throughout his/her life. if any complains about the wives of Muhammad (AS) being more than what is permissable, there are many more specific conditions for the prophets and not applicable to the muslims and we also know that prophets always have something special about them away from their communities. so let me educate your mind focused123 because you need real spiritual education, away from the forgery that you have in your life ight now! you remember Jesus, the one you mislabel as god; i have news for you, he did not marry, so count that as his specific special condition similar to the more than 4 wives' special condition of Muhammad! now, i can go back to the fake peddlers of Sharia, in Bida; while they waited for all those years that he married up to 86, we should not excuse the community and even the women who married him after he had 4, or any of the first 4 who did not divorce him after the first 4! what is sickening and hypocritical about all of it, is that they waited this long to start correcting a wrong, yet they did not look into the Quran to see how it is stated 'unless what has passed,' meaning any wrong action in law performed before instituting the law, one is not punished for what is before but told to correct the wrong! The Bidah people reminded me of the jewish rabbi who told a man wishing to learn how to make amend after 99 murders, condemning the man. such a terrible people the community that stood by to the time that he killed 99 and the rabbi who was harsh in his judgement! let me toy with focused123 for a moment; what did prophets and the laws and then Jesus say about the ruling of marriage, divorce, and remarrying and marrying more than allowable? how do you people rectify a wrong situation? |
| Islam › Re: Death Of Jesus,evidence From The Quran. by olabowale(m): 12:33pm On Nov 26, 2009 |
@Kola Oloye: « #16 on: Today at 10:22:06 AM » :Let get Kola out of the way so that we the believers can discuss among ourselves guiding one another as Only Allah can permit. Quote from: abuzola999 on Today at 10:07:03 AMthe bolded contain the question and you answered with Quran Verse which loosely translate to 'and they planned and Allah planned (because of their plan so that He renders it useless)and Allah is the Best of Planners'. And you follow it with your Biblical jingoism! Is Quran and Bible in interplay, interwoven in verses? Of course not in the issue of Jesus! If you wanna argue by your Bible by all means, but pretending that you understand the Quran by quoting completely unrelated verse to this topic of discussion is pretentious to say the least. Jesus might have died in your Bible, that alone knocks him out of the box to ever to be considered as anything other than the human messenger that he was! Our argument is therefore not about your viewpoint of dying on the cross, but educating and pointing out to one another by Quranic verses which has overwhelming statement about he not been death up to the time he was raised up. His condition after that is known for sure by Allah, and the supplimentary argument to solidify the primary point is that Jesus will be returned as part of the signs of last day. Only a slider of muslim minority disbelief in the two or at least one, which is why we are talking about it! « #18 on: Today at 10:30:41 AM »Suddenly you recognised Allah now that you hope you can draw out any thread to help your Biblical Christian understanding!It does not work like that, since there is no place that Jesus is be clearly stated to have died, yet in the Quran. If you know it, please tell us and conjecture will not be acccepted! Finally, you are an architect and you do know that in a house, there are many rooms, there could never be many "mansions" in a single house, you may have many house within a house. No many mansions within a house, never! In any case, some of the mansions, houses, rooms within the house have to be in gradations; the highest fit for the master of the house and definitely the lowest is like a toilet and if a person is asked to live in it, he knows there is no joy in happyland but doom and despire! We should not forget that the Bible declares that Jesus said that whosoever suggest that the laws and the prophets be abrogated or abandoned, such a one can not be among the honored but must be dishonored being the least in the kingdom! No? Thats where your problem lies, Kola. You better return to Islam and stop carrying wrong knowledge whereby it is a means of punishment! |
| Islam › Re: Death Of Jesus,evidence From The Quran. by olabowale(m): 5:43am On Nov 26, 2009 |
In surah Fajr, when Allah says enter My Garden (Paradise) does it mean that everyone who will enter it are already in it, or it is a thing of the future, already revealed? What about Surah Maidah where Allah says to Jesus today you have spoken the truth, enter my garden after jesus said that after you took me away from the people you are the Watcher over them, the event of the dialogue of the day of Judgement by Allah to His slave Jesus, has it took place yet, or is it a thing of the future, like entering jannah promised believers? |
| Islam › Re: Death Of Jesus,evidence From The Quran. by olabowale(m): 5:24am On Nov 26, 2009 |
@Niyi53: The tone of the verses, was it of future event, a thing being told to Jesus at that time, or what is it? Is it not of a past statement told to somebody (Jesus AS) at some earlier time? Is it not now being narrated to Muhammad (AS) of what has been promised to Jesus in his lifetime, a thing that must happen to him, sometimes in the future? Is there a reason to raise him up and then return him to die again, if he has already died, naturally as you said? How many times shall he die and for what purpose, as a believer, a prophet, a muslim? Is he being punished by allowing him to die more than once, or was he never raise and will not return to earth? I will let others handle this, since Quran is very specific about the condition of Jesus. 1 Like |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was God During The Rwandan Genocide ? by olabowale(m): 5:05am On Nov 26, 2009 |
@Tpia: « #62 on: Today at 12:23:24 AM » so in situations where Muslims are on the receiving end of the stick, why is this allowed by Allah?not because they are not fanatic, because fanatism is not allowed in Islam! Aburo, if I show you that fanatism is not permissable, shall you summit your will to Allah's? When the time of a man is up, all that were measured for that soul would have been consumed and death will come to claim that soul! Aburo, maa ku si keferi o. Moo soo fun e o. Anuu e se mi. Je kin daa omo skyone yi lowun! @skyone (m): « #63 on: Today at 12:29:02 AM » [Quote]imagine, a man that claims to be a granddad thinking this way. i'e where's allah in iraq[/quote]I didnt say am a grandfather yet. Dont hurry up your younger brother if he wishes to wait until he is 30 or so. I waited almost to 30 years myself! I am old enough to be a grandpapa though. Where is Allah in Iraq because I dont know any allah? Now if you remember, the US thought that the flag of Iraq after the war will be so secular and will not have Allah or Muhammad (AS) written on it! Look, again. You will find Allah in there! And it is He Who kept order and provides the clue that keeps the fragmented people with their different ideologies, together. And soon victory will be apparent, all of it belonging to the Creator! A single life saved is by Allah's Mercy! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What's Your Favorite Name For God? by olabowale(m): 4:36am On Nov 26, 2009 |
@Tiatma: If a pretty woman lets me see her back as you had suggested that Moses saw the back of your God (lol. this kinda mindset is wild and completely demeaning to Who God is), let me, have I not seen her glory? Can she deny that I have seen her nudity? Then Imagine seeing the back of the Creator and what is important about Him is His Face? Let me ask you; what measurement is this God: Statistics baby? I need every dimension; height width, thickness, everything! Is he Bigger than the Biggest man still alive? Or the one who ever lived? Adam (AS) was 60 cubic tall. About 180 feet tall. Was the God Moses saw as tall or taller, head not in the cloud reaching heaven, and when He stood on earth there was still some spaces for Moses on the Mountain, and of course all others on earth have spaces to stand? Was that God taller than Jesus, who was probably shorter than Hakeem Olajunwon (lol and hakeem is shorter than 7 ft 6 inches)! I forgot since Jesus is 1/3 god people have seen god as they have seen orisha or the ijebu ode citizens have seen agemo! Sorry, man, you are correct the father was seen, the son was seen, what happened to the ghost? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Price Is Only Belief/faith In One Single God, Without Parnership. Buy It Low by olabowale(op): 4:04am On Nov 26, 2009 |
@Noetic: « #514 on: Yesterday at 05:37:07 PM » and after mazaje converts to islam . . . .allah will still take him to hell what exactly is wrong with allah?If Jesus, #1, and ghost, #2 and father #3 will all together take you, a christian with your dragging sutana sack (lol), in my youth we have a pant called oxford ballon or keep lagos clean because it swept the ground by its dragging, to lake of hell, my Creator is called Al Rahim (The Merciful) is not callous and not unappreciative like the three you have, none of the three can be independent enough to be good and merciful without the other! I worship Allah and you are your allah belong together in the camp of Kafr. Prepere yourself, too, like Mazaje, and Hell is determined to consume all things put in it and commanded to be devowed! Can you handle it man? You will find that even the fire of earth created as benefit is not so friendly when used in the wrong way, so the Fire created to punish shall punish without any reprieve, no recourse! Darn Keferis will be herded like cattle into Hell! |
| Islam › Re: Suicide Bombing- The Isamic Agenda by olabowale(m): 3:42am On Nov 26, 2009 |
@Skyone: « #15 on: Yesterday at 11:48:22 PM » [Quote]Again you need help and i'm not being funny, your reactions are begining to be psychotic. If i can convert my dear wife (a chattered accountant) who was a muslim when i met her 7 years ago to a Christian in 2005, give her the respect she deserve, love her and make her to serve God through the Lord Jesus Christ then you desrve to be lectured by me on what is called tolerance.[/quote]And Allah reverted Zaynab an authentic Igbo Princess and she became my wife. A lawyer is more evidence oriented than an accountant. Ans I did not sleep with her before she became muslima, married me! How about you? Did she resist your illegal advances while you were boyfriend/girlfriend? I thought as much. While you rejoice in a fluke, my mother became Muslim, Zaynab played roles in bringing Islam to some of her lawyer friends and a younger cousin who is a medical doctor! Oh, Ms. Seyi Williams and her mother, sister, and brother all are now muslims. I will call to find out if Mr. Olawale has become a muslim, too. A muslim woman who is boy crazy will fall for anything if she is not conscious that she is being stared the wrong way by Shaitan who made the evil seemingly look good! Just like the muslim man will fall the same if his pecking order has no thinking barometer! So stop the arrogance because if I ask you and your wife Who is the Creator of all things, neither of you will be foolish to say anyone but God Almighty, the Ever living and "never" dead. The never dead knocks Jesus out of the box! You hear me, man? I'm sure you would have either killed her or send her packing or not even approach her in the first place, all because you've been groomed to kill and hate the infidelsI will not sleep with a woman am not married to. And I will not marry a Keferi. And I love women, yet I control my libido, putting it in check. Hang around me enough, InshaAllah, you will discard the man-god for thr real God. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What's Your Favorite Name For God? by olabowale(m): 12:18am On Nov 26, 2009 |
bosi gbangba ka ja, i wo le fo ni? ni bo lo fe fo lo? abeg. Which prophet saw God and lived? O je mo nkon to nso? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Where Was God During The Rwandan Genocide ? by olabowale(m): 12:14am On Nov 26, 2009 |
too many mad hatters. david, eating extra portions of cakes does not necessarily make everyone obese. i am trying to put on some weight, but i cant do it. can you recommend a particular cake type? they asked yu about your god(s) capability to stop a war you respond convincingly, except to tap around the topic! if yahweh, or jehovah or jesus or ghost or all of them together cant resolve an issue without any killing, i will tell you that Allah Willing what He Wills. He checks one people by another, and the outcome of any situation is His Only to determine. Have there been wars that there were no battles? Yes. The Victory of Makka is a good example. I have many more but when I look at the Rwanda situation, Islam became known to the people at the end, because the muslims protected many while even the Priests abandoned their parishes and flew out of there to europe. Since not everyone of them died, then those whose time came were terminated through the war, by the hands of the perpetrators of the the atrocities! Did we realise that the big warlords were all Christians? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: The Bible Says The Earth Is Flat While Quran Says Its Spherical, Wow by olabowale(m): 11:43pm On Nov 25, 2009 |
i know that mazaje just blindly writes in unstructured argument! |
| Christianity Etc › Re: What's Your Favorite Name For God? by olabowale(m): 11:35pm On Nov 25, 2009 |
so tiatma how do you explain no one can see God and live versus jesus was seen for as long as he was on earth? one is correct, the other must be so wrong. no and which one? am trying to let you see some sense, if possible. |
) insults and absolute manipulation of truth and lies. How can someone tell lies about lies? What kind of mindset cannot communicate without going on a journey of fabrication and violence even online. And you expect me to join issues with you? Go sleep and dream again.