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@Viaro: « #34 on: Today at 10:37:44 AM »  

@olabowale,
Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 11:41:57 PM
@Viaro: « #28 on: Today at 09:42:31 PM »  And this is your best argument about God, and then the Trinity, making Jesus more important than what he really was?

Lol, did you even take the time to think at all? My comments were not the best argument about God - I was not responding to an atheistic argument about God or any deity. Sometimes it pays to look carefully at what people are saying and not interject with your own polarisations. As for the question of the Trinity, I already hinted Deep Sight that I would invite him to consider some of my views in an amicable discussion. I really don't see what sense your tales are bearing other than making illations that are far removed from my comments.

i thought, (i saw) and i responded to your now confessed "not the best argument about God", and the gibbrish that followed! And the tale i weaved made better sense, since it critiqued your thought and assertion of jesus a human being that you magically and I hate magic turn to God! I stand behind mine and you already back tracked from yours! Below was  your statement, which i responded to, noticing that he, Viaro has his own Ideology, subject in every respect: Can Viaro apply his own suggestion to himself? Never!

@Viaro: « #28 on: Today at 09:42:31 PM »  
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Second, there is no need to "rationalize" God Almighty in any form. To have a need to do so is to open up many doors to box Him up in certain ways that may be polarised towards your own ideology as distinct from the persuasions of other people. In this case, you're hoping to set constraints and limitations for the Almighty such that you tend to react to whatever goes beyond the perimeters of your own assumptions concerning those constraints. It's okay to "rationalize" if that helps you - but the results of such would best serve your own constraints and limitations, where nothing else could be possible.




[Quote]He knows better than anyone, and Muhammad has no clue.[/quote]I sure know a human being when I see one. And definitely, it is recorded in the Bible, be it Old or New Testament, since its more than one testament (lol) that no eye can see Jesus and live, a statement buttressed by Jesus begging God at Gashesmane, saying it is God Will that must prevail and not Jesus will. Now open that inner eye and employ some thinking here. Is Jesus and God the same? No! If Muhammad (as) did not know about the Creator, can anyone have believed He is not a dying God, since your proposition about God is that he is dead; check you statement about the "dead Jesus for a badly calculated 3 days from the Jewish understanding!" Again, while you demeaned Jesus as klled by ordinary ragtagged kasock wearing, jews, Muhammad said his Lord prevented him from expiring on the hanging tree so that his soul is not accursed! You dont know about that, do you since you are thinking vert deeply, you need to think deeper so tat understanding may come to you! No? Dont remain ignorant, man.

And if you know enough about Jesus, you would have read him saying he is not God! You are worshipping a fake God, if you worship Jesus!

did i say its christian/muslim? i simply suggested he drops all relic of Islam! is that too much to ask and for you to reason? abeg, keep it moving.

PastorAIO, thanks for wanting the clarification of what the contributors are saying about what God is praised by in Yoruba language. Some of these are purely unIslamic. Examples are the Kiniun awon omo Judahs, Ogbe inu wundia sholas, etc.

We in Islam do not objectify The Almighty by restricting Him as a lion or some animals of some people or lord of some people or using a womb of a virgin as a pad (like in bachelor's pad) for a moment! These are Trinity, and it is strictly Christians. I dont think the babalawos, etc will even stoop that low, since they are usually convinced about their beliefs, knowing their gods, not calling them multi personalities.

bakare should adopt a different last name, because bakare is abu bakr in some yoruba variants! the darn keferi should drop all islamic pointers he ignorantly cling to! if my name were Paul when i was a christian, i would drop it like a hot potato the moment i become muslim!

@Ayusman16: « #20 on: Today at 05:26:56 AM »

This is the dumbest comment i have ever seen. Is your religion glorified if u proclaim people to be Muslims when they are not?
Okay! Obama is a Muslim! Jesus is an Imam. Me sef, I be Alfa! Are you guys happy now? Allahu Akbar!

The first bolded is a lie. I never claimed it. The second is claimed by an anti Obama. The last is a figment of your wild imagination! You will not become an Islamic Alfa that easily. You think this is Kiriyo religion?

Why drink & drive when u can weed & fly!!!!!!

A statement from a perfect christian! Typical.


@luvola: « #21 on: Today at 07:13:28 AM »

wat a dumb post by olabowale

Thank you. Please tell us what is dumb about it? I shall be looking for the clue(s).

what do i smoke? this guy na2day? "mo osho ju iya osho lo" yet osho is still an infant baby, needing mama's milk and warmth! if i smoke, na2day/, you are the darn smoke i just purchased in one of the oju olomo otos! or are you ciagrette, or is it cigar or tobacco? what name are you on sale? lol.

can you believe if i dont know that i smoke yet, but na2day? knows? though my spiritual success does not depend on smoking or not, but your depends on worship, rather true worship of God! while you are complaining about smoke or no smoke, you are neglectful of what God is; one time you say He is One, yet another end you say there are three! Lol. You have a problem, man. You cant count and you dont know that there is a difference between 1 and three!

The yorubas say oun to wa leyin ofa o ju ti oje lo. You case is like that. What is behind Ofa is actually Oje, while God is One you dont know that He is not divisible! You cant make Him any number you want; not 2 not 3, not 4 or any number, except what He is, One and Incredibly Unique and Indivisible!

@Kolaxy: « #32 on: Today at 03:24:59 AM »

@Mushin
Let me give you a simple illustration in human term perhaps you may get the picture or otherwise.Let's assume someone cut off one of your fingers(God forbid). The first thing that happens is that,all part of your body feels the pain.But does that make you a dead man? Absolutely No. You are still Mushin.The whole part of your body feels the pain as soon as your finger was cut off but with the new technology in place, your finger will be perfectly restored and after some time, gradually, it heals and you feel better. However, the scar remains.

Lets just accept that the finger was not crushed so badly or the tissues were dead before the reattachment operation began, since we see that some limbs are still lost even today with all the technologies in Medicine! But can the patient be scarless after the cut and the reattachment, and is your god ever going to be the same unscarrred, whole as if Jesus did not die, according to you?

The above scenario was exactly what happened in the spiritual context when Jesus Christ died on the cross of calvary. Being part of God, he was cut off from God because of his love for the human race and his acceptance to substitute himself as sacrifice for our sins in order to save us. Being part of God, God felt the pain (like you will do if your finger was cut off). But, our sins(darkness) on Jesus was unbearable for God to bear not because Jesus was condemned but because of our sins and Jesus was abandoned/forsaken by God on the cross. That's why Jesus cried on the cross and said, 'Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani!' That is to say, My God, My God, why have You forsaken me?" he was on his own from that point till he ascended back to God.

What an explanation! What a God you have! Should we now blame the Christian God Who did not have a perfect plan or did not execute the plan, perfectly, not knowing the weakness to Jesus when it comes to pain? Is there not a better way to forgive humans, cancelling the sins without having to kill a man who couldnt handle pain? The expalantion about cheapen your collection or group of Gods, and raise more question to their authority than their mercy and kindness. Jesus seemed to stoop next to his effort in trying to help you out of sin. He did not execute his duty properly, and the effect of his death has not helped you from fornication or adultery or stealling or interest consumption, each a deadly sin plus the fact that you do not have a singularly Completely perfect God, without extensions, sometimes cut-off like what you have said above about Jesus!

In relation to the above scenario, does Jesus crucifixion made God dead? Absolutely No. God remains God.After Jesus's resurrection,he ascended back to God in order to be re-united with God as before, just like your finger was restored back to you in the above scenario.However, the scar on his body still remains.This proofs that truthfully, he suffered all the pain of the crucifixion. And he's at right hand of God now supplicating on ourbehalf by showing God the scars on his body whenever Satan come to accuse of sins.

Some thinking! Who should have the scar if you use the same analogy as in the finger and he man, to be similar to Jesus and God? Jesus will be the finger, detached according to you, hence the scar should be on the one Jesus cut from and not Jesus. So tell us who has the scar, before you are playing both ends, Jesus or the one who he was detached from and now reattached, on the left of Jesus? I want you to mention name!

Read the following major events that took place during Jesus crucifixion, resurrection and ascension;
Darkness at mid-day
Jesus’ crucifixion began around 9 am (Mk. 15:25). For the next three hours, Jesus’ enemies mocked him (read
Matt. 27:39-44). And then at noon, something remarkable happened (read Mt. 27:45). For three hours (noon to
3 pm), “darkness fell upon all the land.”
The torn temple curtain
Read Matt. 27:50-51. Immediately after Jesus died, the curtain of the temple was “torn in two from top to
bottom.”
The temple curtain was no ordinary curtain (60 feet long, 30 feet high, and about 4 inches thick; composed of 72
squares sewn together; so heavy that it required 300 men to lift it). For it to be torn suddenly from top to bottom
(rather than gradually fraying from bottom to top) would indeed be a noteworthy event-especially for Jewish
people.
The earthquake & emptied tombs
But Jesus’ death accomplished even more for us and this is indicated by the final dramatic event. Read Matthew
27:51-53.
This earthquake was no ordinary earthquake. It occurred immediately after Jesus' death, and it opened certain
rock tombs near Golgotha-the tombs of believers (probably people came to faith in Jesus as the Messiah during
his public ministry). 36 hours later, after Jesus had been resurrected, they emerged from the cemetery and
appeared to people in Jerusalem who had known them-not as zombies, but as people who had been delivered
from death!

Funny story teller. Crucifixion is not when a person was seized, but begins when he was impailed or nailed! The torment prior to it can not be counted, hence a criminal will claim that he begins serving his prison sentence from the moment he was arrested, bailed out or not!

Two things happened here in your statemet above, while the jews were killing your human god, if their "4 inches Thick" curtain in the synagogue got torned (I wonder how a yarn could be sponned to be 4 Inches thick?) they will say its because of the killing of the man they hated, yet they rejected him? Are you for real, since the Jews would have accepte him if they believed him to be more than a mere Rabbi. Read your Bible again, for the Jews said we persecute you because you said you are "god!".

And what is so interesting about the above as well is that you are saying an earthquake occurred, because Jesus died? How many people died, how much was the collateral damages; properties and lives? Even in the todays USA, earthquakes still a thing that is not a footnote as you made this one in the Bible to be! I will ignore the zombie (ressurrection thing) because I am certain you dont know anything about the Jews! You are swallowing every unreasonable most obvious tales.

For starter, Jesus was not a christian. Again, before you can say he is a Jew by religion, you have to tell us that his religion to God is different from that of his Isaac who was not a Jew by religion, because the Jewish religion is coined out of Judah after the greater Israel was divided after Solomon to Israel and Judiah!

And if you cant prove otherwise, then know that Isa bin Maryam (Jesus son of mary) was a Muslim! Bowing his will to the WILL of God! You remember what he said in the garden of Gashesmane? "Not as I will but as YOUR Will"!

@Skyone: Whats interesting in you is very similar to whats interesting about the guy who yelled "fire" in a crowded indoor gathering of people, expecting a stampede, while he observes comically from afar! The unfortunate thing is that there is nothing funny about lies, and seeing others go through misery! Thats a mindset of saddist!

Olabowale your research always fail you why, the siamese tigers of Cambodian fought a guerilla war with the burmese in order to reclaim their authority and during the war the only means for the Cambodians not be enslaved was to kill themselves when captured by the burmese but never commit suicide attack like the islamic militants so get your fact right. Yes the palestine are fighting to gain an islamic state as well as to kill the jews by suicide attack, do i need to lecture you on it. And since the teaching of islam is vehemently dominated by hate i will say these foolish militants going about killing and ploting suicide bombing willl regard it as a prophecy to be fulfilled. So dont let your ignorance decieve you.

The suicide of the burmese is different from the suicide of the palestinians? The burmese suiciders will not commit suicide if the government army personnels are near them, so not to take others with him, yet his intention as fought for his land was to kill the "enemies." No? Or are you saying to me that no "enemy" died with the suicide action, maybe you are saying that the suicide victims from the "government" killed by the burmese tigers will return back to life, along with the suiciders, while that of the palestinians will not? Skyone, you are a funny guy, full of emotion of false god!

The Palestinians are not fighting to gain an islamic state, duuh, because among the PLO executives are Christians, and there used to be a guy called "George" in the days who was a big time operatives among them. Goerge is a Christian name, or he and the rest of the Christians are closet Muslims, too? Lol, erin iwo omo skyone yi pami. hile you are on high horse, delutional, we understand that many people resort into evil tactics when oppressed, the Jews used it to run the British Government out of palestine and formed their nation, you were probably blind to that! Go get some real life education and come back to discuss your findings!

God forbid,

I asked him t seek protection against Shaitan, and that was his answer! Are you okay, man?

@Viaro: « #28 on: Today at 09:42:31 PM »

Second, there is no need to "rationalize" God Almighty in any form. To have a need to do so is to open up many doors to box Him up in certain ways that may be polarised towards your own ideology as distinct from the persuasions of other people. In this case, you're hoping to set constraints and limitations for the Almighty such that you tend to react to whatever goes beyond the perimeters of your own assumptions concerning those constraints. It's okay to "rationalize" if that helps you - but the results of such would best serve your own constraints and limitations, where nothing else could be possible.

And this is your best argument about God, and then the Trinity, making Jesus more important than what he really was? Who would know Jesus better, you or Jesus? You need to look into the overwhelming statements from Jesus pointing away him being more than just what he is, a human being! Who will know more about God, you or God? God should know about Himself and the 10 commandments and the declaration of previous prophets saying that God is Unseen, while Jesus was not more unseen that the little children playing Hide and seek, or the peek a boo or Boju Boju in Yorubaland! If God is not going to restrict Himself, and He has not forbidden anything for Himself, would He chose to become human and allow ordinary creatured to hang him, while at the same time not going all the way to play the human thing, not married, not having children. and yet there are still evildoers alive, waiting till the day of Judgement before he punishes?

Your statement that God if not made human is therefore like restricting him, boxing Him away from His full Power, is a statement that pays no attention to what He said of Himself and what His human Messengers and Prophets said about Him, even if we only use Torah, and what Jesus of the Gospel said! Does multiplication of persons or personalities difference is a good enough argument about the uniqueness of your God, while the many reasons from the different view point inferior?

While I say that God is Unique in every respect, no eyes have ever seen Him and live, whole and does not die, have no need to behave like human (eating, sleeping, drinking, toileting, etc), He is able to forgive whomsoever He wants without having to kill somebody to have another saved, etc, having no partner and not capable of doing all things He wants, etc and those not have the multiple personalities, you only said that your God has to be a schrizophrenic and you think that is enough?

It's easy to put others on spotlight and trail off about what we have no clues. You seem to have drawn quite queer conclusions and are glorying too loosely on how you have used that idea to discombobulate davidylan. For starters, the Christian faith does not rest on davidylan's ability or inability (should I rather say 'willingness' or the lack thereof) to answer any queries; nor does it stand or fall on viaro's or anyone else's declarations.

I hope you keep the bolded in mind in the future, though you seemed to have never paid any attention to it in the past!

Bro, the God of Whom we speak does not need human "rationalizing" - not yours, not mine, not anyone else's. Yet, I shall someday invite a discussion to help you see something about the Deity of Jesus Christ beyond this rationalizations you're holding forth.

Viaro all by himself argues for and against his own point; human rationalization! He will rationalize Jesus into a diety, while the overwhelming evidence of Jesus activities on earth is very humanlike, and not more than what another human prophet (Job, Jonah, Moses,Elijah, Elisha, etc) did! And when you read what Jesus said about himself, is there any point arguing that he is not human?

i dont smoke!

@Sleek29; « #14 on: Yesterday at 04:07:44 PM »

It's a complete lie, the america i know won't vote a muslim into te white house, impossible.
I think muslims like using this to propagate islam just like the neil armstrong issue.

even though obama is not a muslim, barack is definitely a muslim name, spelled in east african style of barak, just like moshudi in yoruba style of wrriting is arabic mas'ud.

but then america like any people and any society that rules, friends are not permanent. so is enemy. if the muslims rise up in economic, socio-political status to rival the best group, the english which has produced the largest amount of president, the german and other, immediately the muslims will be the darling, and in no time, just like everyone thought blacks wll never become anything, and there was obama to prove them wrong. today we have a half kenyan in the white house!

whosoever accepts islam accepts it for his own benefit. whosoever rejects it does so at his own peril. obama or no obama, amstrong or no amstrong, it will have no effect on the final outcome of islam as the guided path.

@echo bee: even it may include the holy spirit speaking in Tudor? You will bind every one of them?

holy spirit, evil spirit. spirit is spirit.

@Davidylan; « #4 on: Yesterday at 05:58:37 PM »

Quote from: uplawal on Yesterday at 05:56:13 PM
The cross worshippers are blind people

this coming from a muslim? hilarious!

Anyone of you figured out which are satanic verses, or authentic hadiths yet? Figured out if ostriches existed in arabia in the old days? Found allah's lost copies of his torah and injeel?

you know even as blind as we are we sure can still find our books.

iwas going to let david have his fun, until i read the bolded! here is my problem with you, david; are you saying that ostrich was not in arabia then, but there now? you may argue that it his now imported, but can you say for sure that that was not the case before and or just about the time that the verse was revealed, considering the makkans used to go to ethiopia, familiar with the eastern part of africa, the home range of ostrich?

even if you could argue that it was not popular, but can you argue that it was unknown, even as a foreign thing that the travellers, when they see it would have said 'muhammad (as) must have known something, a foreign thing to us, yet this man who has never come to the land where it is abundant can describe it to a T? finally, are all eggs not s[herical? you do know that they know about birds, even trained some preditors among them to hunt animals, including even desert birds like quails?

Your trying to ridicle the egg issue reminds me of one of your earlier gaffes; i remember saying something about the followers of Muhammad (as), the sahaba (ra) arrived at a wilderness, saying to the inhabitant beasts to vacate it for their usage. i said, all of the beasts and their youngs left. you laughed at my statement that it was not possible that there was a lion among them, because i said in the sentence something about lion. well david, since that time, the national geographic have shown that there are lions, elephants, and other big animals in the deserts. finally just to punch you below the belt, the OT support the fact that there was desert lions, cats; Afterall, there was a biblical personality that killed a lion, and in time was able to harvest honey from the honey bees that made a home of it, though my knowledge of bees now could not allow me to agree that the bees will feed on a dead cat to prduce honey, but i cant at the same time that it could not have been a miracle on the personality. i think from the top of my head he has to be gideon or samson. i lean towards samson, because the story as i remember was about strength.

satanic verses: The muslims say there is none. And there is no proof of any from the Quran. Will you know more than the whole muslim world body, while you know less about the Ijebu Ode that you are from? This is diifferent from the case of the Bible, you know since God did not revealed the Bible, but revealed the Torah, Sabur and Gospel and not the acts and revelation and the epistles we know are from Saul who became Paul!

And authentic ahadith must agree with the Quran, and must have truly came from the prophet, or said and not instructed against its future utterance by Muhammad (AS), for anything different is not! Can you restrict the truth of the Gospel to Jesus? And the Torah, Sabur and Injil of Allah is already incorporated in the Quran and hadith of the prophet (AS), while you Davidylan stated with your own fingers that you know that the KJV is ridduled with errors (The Bible to Undergo revision thread is where you finallt confessed), so show us an authntic zero errored Bible, then, maybe we can compare it with the sayings of Isa bin Maryam (AS) the authentic injil in the Quran, to see how correct what you have is!

@Aloy~Emeka: « #74 on: Today at 06:25:04 AM »  

The muslim man is still watching porn like there is no tomorrow after coming back from Hajj. Has Allah shut his doors on him patapata?. Is there anything like capital sin against Allah in islam?. If not, why has Allah forsaken his humble servant to die in porn slavery?. Is it possible that Allah can go deaf but His followers do not know?

your ignorance, emeka is prominent. i have mislabelled you all along as intelligent. soorry o. this is what the thief Jack Douglass of NNPC bonny terminal told me, when i began to press him. one of my intended duties in nigeria, is to see this this evilman in prison.

just because the prayer of a lowly, evildoer person claiming to be muslim is not accepted, you immediately concluded that Allah must be deaf? tell me, emeka, who is more devoted to the worship of God, between this porn addicted muslim and Jesus your 1/3 part god in trinity? you have to be a bad and hypocritical christian to say its not Jesus. No? Yet, Jesus was "forsaken" just as much as the porn man in Nigerian is "forsaken". Then I say the Jewish God Lord Eloi Elohim that Isaiah, Jesus worshipped and or affiliated themselves to (i am thinking that ince you said that Jesus is part god, he may not have worshipped God so am just covering all the bases so that I can rope you tight) must not be less deaf since the prayer of Jesus was not asnwered, even as Jesus was being hung!?

Finally, because I dont have time for the mundane; the muslim man is still alive, and his prayer is rejected only for now, the future is known by Allah, alone. This muslim man helps himself and stop hanging with a porn watcher like you, and turn his attention to things of Quran and Hadith to improve his Islam, definitely, shame from Islamic belief will enter his heart and he will in the long run leaves porn. This is different from the conditions of the mother thread littered with porn and masturbation topics, and its you christians that will glorify some weird things like those, even the partial nudity and showing off in your gatherings!

Finally, just because somebody made Hajj, just like everything else, intention and mean of carrying out any good deeds, etc matter. Afterall, the man who started ChrIslam went to "Hajj", where he said he was told to begin what he is practicing! When you open the Quran you see that it is in there that Christians are disbelievers and all disbelievers must be herded into HellFire, yet this man chose to head that way. Whose fault is it, but his own?

 

@na2day? (m):« #75 on: Today at 11:24:55 AM

i guess the unintelligent person the imam  was referring to is u (and probably him too) as u automatically think it is your right to win an argument, dumb azz!

i know that could be dumb, too? i see that since it is something of smooth with archy shape, then it is blunt, so it must be dumb. i ask you guys to show me the royalness of jesus, all of you are tripping over one another in lies! you think i buy the lies or am easily won over when i know that royalty is? i am not an untouchable of indian caste system, or an osu of igbo. i am at least from my mother enjoy 2 royalties, the reason i know what it means and you are waffling as i ask you to explain how you can shamelessly call Jesus even king! where is  the seat of royalty; what was his title as we have Alake of Ake, Abeokuta? Alake has a palace, and the Ake people are his subjects. Did Jesus have any of those before you start calling him a King?

 

@noetic15 (m); « #76 on: Today at 12:24:57 PM »  

so according to this self defeating analogy from your imam . . .  . .u are certified intelligent and have subsequently won the debate.    
allahu akbau

I see thatyou, this keferi man, worshipper of Jinn, your sutana that does not allow you to wear shoes will always cloud your judgement, the only reason you think i couldnt have mentioned things any imam in america, especially when i dont hang with nigerians would know, except that an imam helped me. if it was possible for me to get myself into your disbeliever cele gathering, you would have seen good thinking at work, taking away the leadership from your no shoe wearing alagba, who does not not see the unhealthinee of it, and oh, in reality, i would have told those women to cover up, because not all of us are hypocrites that all of you! Do i need an imam in America to tell the story of my families, my tribe?

ojude oba is probably Sunday of next week, if ileya is Friday because arafat is thursday! the last ojude oba i saw alatishe was the balogun. i love ijebu people. the things i dont like are the watery egusi stew, more light soup than stew, the ogiri jebu and if ikokore is not thick, count me out.

e maa wulee.

i intend to settle back home within ijebu people. maybe ejinrin or some of the osa/atlantic water frontage property. inshaAllah.

@« #161 on: Today at 07:33:35 PM »

Muhsin we will take it one step at a time, and you will see why Muhammed is NEVER Worthy of emulation.

I for one know that all my good qualities are from Muhammad (AS). I abhor sexual improprieties, even though I am if no restriction of it by Islam of Muhammad, I will be a loose canon. Same way I do not participate in Riba, and all kinds of easy picking things, acceptable in today's secular settings, but unacceptable in Islam. Is there a human being who walked the surface of the earth that has lived a better moral life that Muhammad? None. There is no extremism or laxity in his quality.

Number One : If you have studied Quran very well. You will see that Muhammed possess a characteristics of a Pathological Narcissism.
Prove me wrong, Muhsin.

Apart from the fact that Muhammad was not the Author, and no place in the Quran that he said he is, we see that he could not be a narcisist, for only a narcissist can write to prace him/herself. But then, we she Surah Abasa going against any direct or indirect pointer(s) of narcissism from Muhammad (AS)! Surah Azhab started out telling Muhammad to fear his Lord. I dont think a narcissist will write himself to fear a higher power! You seem to fit the mode of narcissist, considering your pomposity. Please folks, read his assured statement that he knows Quran a book he cant read a single word of in Arabic, more than a muslim who reads Quran in arabic and even Tafsir of it!

No denial of facts and veracity !

Your ignorance in speech lacks facts and the unreliable statements above smell and foul up the Churches. Even the Pastor of far away church across town whose nose is dead and cant smell anything is complaining of the funk.

@Tpia: « #92 on: Today at 05:19:20 AM »

^^ see explanation.
Olabowale can explain how the sun sets in muddy waters every evening but he shouts to high heavens, stumbles and falls at the mention of a triune God.
not to mention he knows of the moon "splitting".
fantastic.

What do you mean by this? I dont understand the bolded.

« #94 on: Today at 03:31:38 PM »
To God belong wisdom and power; counsel and understanding are his
He said, "Go and tell this people:
" 'Be ever hearing, but never understanding;
be ever seeing, but never perceiving.

Tpia, is this in defense of Jesus or which of the Gods? Interestingly, while one of your guys is trying to proof Trinity, she showed us that the ghost is the least of the God chain, while son is the middle one. As I was whaoering, I realised from Surah Kahf, Allah says that Iblis now Shaitan (is similar to Saul now Paul) is a Jinn. Jinn is a ghost and yoruba language they say Alujonnu (Al Jinnu or Jinni)! You know what, Tpia, I finally realised that you worship man (Jesus), Jinn (Shaitan who instigates your belief to be so counter clockwise to truth. No angel could have agitated you to go against your Lord!), and Creator God (Eloi), but you mislabelled Him as father and cheapen Him by restricting His Power and Might, giving some and sharing others with what you call your coequal gods! Aburo, se o ri nkon nsin yin? I want you to free yourself from such a belief!



@focused123 (m): « #95 on: Today at 07:40:42 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 05:11:04 AM
@Focused123: The house am in on long Island sound is next to the Ocean. From the window, I can see the bay, less than 50 yards from me. So every time the sun is setting, I see the glassy unclear opaque surface. Thats Murky, Muddy, Focused!
Am saying that the bolded is similar to the fusion of body and soul of living and when cloved asunder you will have a dead body, is heaven and earth like human? I dont wanna respond to the rest.
The dangerous thing about Muhammedan Islam is that it affect people involved such that they cannot reason using their brain any more. Nothing of value in human intellectual endeavours can possibly be created or grow under Fundamentalist Muhammadan Islam.

Olorun shanu

Focused123 initial question is above, where my response to him is bolded and below that is his response to me! Please follow the dialogue trail and see who is not reasoning, not using the brain any more, and nothing of value in human intellectaul endeavor can possibly be created or grow under such a mentality!

focused123 is a week day warrior. i asked him a simple question after showing him the function of synagogue or temple depending on the sect of the Jews who are using it, he began beating around the bush. am sure if it was that he is respecting me he probably would be more caustic than the kid-gloves treatment he is giving me.

And you started yours with it. No? But of course, Olabowale is mine, so before you say what about me, I have already answered it. Ohsisi is not your given name, Olabowale is mine!

@Skyone: « on: November 14, 2009, 03:52 PM »

Over the years i've been trying to figure out the reasons behind the despicable acts raised and commited by the so called islamic militant " THE SUICIDE BOMBING".

Suicide Bombing started from South east Asia's Tiamene's Tiger struggle strategy. I hate the muslims copying evils of disbeievers!

I've discussed this with some imam and local muslim friends but they seem not to give me a serious and definite answer, rather the closest answer i got was those committing the act are of "higher being" dont understand what they mean by that.

No one will ever say to you that the suicide bombers are "higher being"! You are not a sincere poster, Skyone. You need to go into sensationalised news Business!

I discussed it again with ordinary folks around the neighbourhood but they equally have no idea why any human being should kill him or herself just to prove justice or revenge in fact they are confused themselves.

No one knows the unknown, the thought of a man is unknown. Its like the future as in the time of the hour which Jesus did not know. How then are you not satisfied?

Now and again i'm still wondering and can't really figure out what actaully is the cause. I used to think it's way to attack non-muslims but i've come realise that it's way to attack anybody, muslims and non-muslims. Another thing i've discovered was this, i happen to find out that suicide bombing is purely limited to "islamic religion" neither the Hindus, Bhuddist, Atheist, nor the Christians actually practise this inconceivable evil act on anther man.

On the bolded, if you have researched well, you should have learnt that Tiamese Tiger, a gorilla warfare organization started it, to fight their oppressors, their central government, long before the Palestinians adopted it as the means of their national arsenal of warfare. Do you think the palestinians are fighting for islam and not for national identity? Then that was your ignorance, since among the PLO and others are people who are not muslims! If the suicide bombers even kill muslims, as you have said, does it then make sense that you should think it is Islamic?

Does is it mean that islamic religion and practise is purely satanic? or does it mean that those that practise the religion majorly have hidden mental problem?

In Islam, every discipline of knowledge, you have some or at least an adherent in it. The presidents of those places we think are muslim enclaves are Muslims. The father of Indians Nuke is a Muslim. To educate your mind, when you read the Quran you seek protection from Satanic influence, even as you begin, and there are 2 other places you are asked to seek protection against Shaitan, making official verses or statements to be 116, all from Quran! Skyone, in your arrogance can you show us how you arrive at this opinion of yours?

Please I want every intelligent person to participate in this discussion including moderators thank you.

i bet that if anyone show you intelligence, like in above, your response will be very caustic! people should read his responses. Study it and you will see how explosive he is, even as this statement of mine is a cautionary to him. Skyone dances to the beat of his own drum. Shall we therefore say that is typical christianity, as he is thinking that suicide bombing is islamic?

We can all gain something from it.

you dont wanna gain any anything, considering your reputation!

@Deep sight: « #69 on: November 16, 2009, 10:52 AM »

Quote from: Pastor AIO on November 16, 2009, 10:25 AM
Olabowale, being genetically yoruba does not automatically make you an expert in yoruba language or culture. Yoruba is a culture and it has to be cultivated into you. There is a discipline and a training in Yorubaness. A foreigner that undergoes that discipline will surely be more yoruba (culturally) than an indigene that has not undergone the discipline. It happens all the time.

I know many many yoruba children that can't speak yoruba language and don't know diddly squat about yoruba culture. I was once such. I even used to snob all things yoruba.

In England we have a class of people we call Chavs. These are the underclass. What you are saying amounts to a Chav coming to me and telling me that because he is English he will understand Shakespeare better than me, never mind that I've actually studied Shakespeare. That would be ludicrous, won't you say.

I think the Pastor forgot that I try to show my Yorubaness after my Islamicness! I bear Olabowale specifically so that people on nairaland know that am an authentic Yoruba, choosing to speak the language of Yoruba and express myself through it, everytime I get. Do I qualify as a Yoruba Chav? Not in a long shot! There is a saying that aji se bi yoruba lanri, yoruba oo nji se bi enikan kan! Give me a different argument, Pastor, you will not win by arguing that I may lack a good yoruba upbringing. I dream in it, and just as my friend Musa Cohn said, even though he is no more an Israeli citizen and not a Jew by religion anymore, but he remain a child of Israel even so his dreams are all in Hebrew!

Beautifully said, Pastor.
I wonder why people cannot see that this applies directly to being "Christian" or "muslim" or whatever.
Not he who knows the book, but he who walks the walk.

Nothing beautiful about what the Pastor said. I marry yoruba speaker. My children dont have but Yoruba names, I wear yoruba clothing, even as am responding now. I never fail to let people know how authentic I am, about Africa, Nigeria, Yoruba and even my father's hometown Ijebu Ode and my mother's home town Owo, neither I know well, but happy that these are the sources of my blood! Could Olabowale be other than Yoruba, compare it to "deep sight," or pastorAIO? Just the names, men, just the names!

@Abuzola: « #80 on: November 17, 2009, 04:12 PM »  

Nuclearboy, stop flattering them, they know nothing, how can they teach us arabic, basit differ from duhaha unlike the xtrian four corner earth.

Leave them alone in their lack of knowledge! Ibadan is a good example of Village in Yoruba definition because the poem that lionized her clearly say she is a village by not having a King "Ilu To yi oo Looba", and many of its rulers have been called baale until we got to Abbass Obabadan! Can you imagine telling anyone that Ibadan with many millions of people residing in her is by yoruba standard of royalty is a village? Let the Christians show us a verse in the Bible that points away from the flat earth it says, and at the same time show us a verse in the Qran that points toward an earth that is not spherical. I want them to show both to us.



@nuclearboy (m): « #81 on: November 17, 2009, 06:46 PM »  

Flatter?
Alfa, twasn't flattery, but a plea for mercy on you. These people destroyedddddddddddddd you.
You started out very verbose and ended asking an innocent person to "Mind yourself". Seems like the cat got your tongue there. Their argument was much stronger, succinct, supported by verse and reason and OMG, deadly. I remember the stories of Hiroshima and Nagasaki

Whats ingredient(s) make lies stronger, succinct, supprted by verse and reason and O(your)G, deadly? And I see that you must have read about Bombs being dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, but the clear statement from the Quran that the earth is Spherical, and the Bible saying it is flat are clear and no amount of spinning from the Christians can help since all you have to do is to open these Books and read the verses!

Your statement above and the arguments of the Christians against the obvious is very similar to what a poster of another thread is doing; while the poster says ask me anything about my beliefs in God and my faith or the Bible, I think, she was asked about Trinity, making Jesus a God in addition to other Gods, surprisingly, she quoted everything else in the Bible, and supported it by her quoting writings of modern day pundits! But in all of these she forgot what Jesus himself said about himself: a prophet, a human being, a messenger directing the gone astray among the children of Israel to the path of guidance, if they follow him! The behaviors of Jesus as to his praying to, worshipping of, crying to, supplicating to, begging, etc directed to the Creator show his true nature different fallacy of fancy arguments that everyone is making, weaving and burbing, the rope a dope will do no one any good, because the reality has been established!



@davidylan (m): « #82 on: November 17, 2009, 07:02 PM »  

this thread was pure comedy!

Where is the beef? Where is the joke?  
 


@Pastor AIO: « #84 on: November 17, 2009, 08:53 PM »  

Could this be one of the sweetest threads in the Nairaland REligion section? Not because it is enlightening but rather because it has been so entertaining.  What a total Volte face.  From Attacking bible as scientifically inferior to quran to the most hilarious volte face that I've seen in a long time.

I dont get where comedy enters Quran?  



@Abuzoooooo: « #85 on: Today at 07:21:35 AM »  

'verily, those who disbelieved and died while they were disbelievers, the (whole) earth full of gold will not be accepted from anyone of them even if they offered it as a ransom. For them is a painful torment and they will have no helpers' Quran 3:91

Kudo to you for your effort.  



@nuclearboy (m): « #86 on: Today at 11:21:08 AM »  

Painful torment indeed!
What then was it for the guy repeatedly sodomized in the preceding discourse?  
Some need to learn there is a time to gracefully accept defeat.

Is the thread about the shape of the earth? Is there a verse that permits sodomy in the Quran? I am just asking these questions because how you draw up your conclusion is of interest to me. If a Christian were to say or do something outside the New Testament, I personally will criticise him/her using the Bible, not the Quran. If I were to critique Christianity, I will do it against either Judaism/Jew's own OT and or Islam/Muslim's own Quran. I will look at accuracy, morality and what is natural and logical, and arrive at a conclusion, and if I see a fault in any place, in any of the Books, I shall not lean towards a religion that uses that Book.



@ladygaga (f): « #87 on: Today at 12:35:11 PM »  

;Doh my GOsh    , this thread is TIMELESS,CLASSIC,
IT should be called the EVERGREEN,

Uhm? No one is telling me how the arrive at their conclusion(s)?  



@Nezan (m); « #88 on: Today at 12:37:30 PM »  

abuzola opened a thread attacking the Bible but ended up embarassing the koran . . .  . . . hilarious thread I must say!

Hahaha. I have laughed. But with all the combing I made, I cant see the reason for your statement that Quran was embarassed, hilarious. Can you point me to that direction? And am easily excitable.

@Na2day?: « #71 on: Yesterday at 09:53:17 PM » 
[Quote]obviously u dont know what Christ means if u do, u will know that he is not just king but King of Kings and Lord of lords and he lords over your allah[/quote]our back and forth reminded me of what Imam Ahmad said about if he were to argue with 2 different classes of people;

1.  arguing with an intelligent person, he the imam will win him over, because the man will reason with intelligence.

2.  arguing with an unintelligent person, he the man boldly declared that he will be defeated by tjis man, because the man will never reason lacking
     intelligence, he dugs his heels in deeper and becomes emotional, never changes his position regardless of the obvious weakness. na2day?, you
     have won. However, my responses are to the larger audience; if christ was lord of lords, king of kings, can you show us the remnant of his rule
     and kingdom, where and which kings he was a king of, and how can he deny this very position of royalty of his own people, when he was merely
     accused, capitulating before the roman ruler? As this man called christ was hung, the Bible said he cried out in his semitic language; Eloi or Elohim
     meaning My God, My Lord or My Creator. Look at Eloi and Allah. Pronounce both of them and hear the very close similarity instead of the Yahweh
     or Jehovah, both a name that Jesus never dignified his Lord with, except the Singular "Eloi/Elohim!"

Olowo of Owo, Ojomo of Owo, Olubadan of Ibadan, Oni of Ife, Awujale of Ijebu Ode, or Oba of Lagos, or any royalty in africa or the Queen of England have domain
of their royalty, a place where they rule from, which is their palaces, with thrones. Show me something of these that Jesus had, and not just empty rhetorics!

@Focused123:

*** The Sun - which is over 1,000,000 times bigger than the Earth - yet it sets every evening in a puddle of muddy waters ***

The house am in on long Island sound is next to the Ocean. From the window, I can see the bay, less than 50 yards from me. So every time the sun is setting, I see the glassy unclear opaque surface. Thats Murky, Muddy, Focused!

21:26 "Don't the unbelievers see that the heavens and earth were joined together in one piece before we clove them asunder? , Will they not believe? And We have set on the earth mountains as stabilizers, lest the earth should convulse without them. And We have made therein broad highways for them to pass through, that they may be guided. We have made the heaven a roof well guarded. Yet they turn away from its Signs! All (the celestial bodies) swim along, on a course, floating."

Am saying that the bolded is similar to the fusion of body and soul of living and when cloved asunder you will have a dead body, is heaven and earth like human? I dont wanna respond to the rest.

Aburo, I answered by telling you that the Moon is nothing other than a measure of time, just like the Sun. Then Muhammad (AS) cheapened the import of the moon by splitting it. If no moon appears, Islam will still function as it functions with the presence of the moon. How; The month is never longer than 30 days and never fewer than 29 days. Day is calculated by Sundown to sundown.

What there is it? The Moon only indicates beginning of the month, and from history, we already agreed that a month is either 29 or 30 days and all the muslims have to do is develop a consensus and make Sharuun Ramadhana to be just 29, and Sharuun Dhul Hajj as 29, too and make everything else 30 days.

If the sun and moon disappear, then there is alread a clock calculating 24 hours whereever you are and get your yearly calender and daily timing by that developed 30 years previous calender, and each future years rotates by it! In other words, whatever year you wan in the future will come from the previous 30, exactly.

You are correct. We are interested in Paradise (jannah), heaven (sammah) also contain Hell (jahannam)!

@Modupe01: #11 on: Today at 02:10:12 AM »

The highlighted above says it all. Your religion, which you tenaciously cling to says that your goal is paradise and not heaven. Heaven is not your goal. That is why I am challenging you to consider what Jesus came for since it is different from what your religion is presenting to you.

So that I show you how naive the above statement is; the baptism of Jesus claims that the gate of heaven opens and two things occurred:

1. the dovelike thing flew down.
2. the voice was heard all the way from there.

The above 2 conditions along with the gate of heaven opening makes it a common thing, since, Elijah or was it Elisha and of course Jesus were lifted to heaven. None of them is reported to have entered Paradise, yet, even though we read that the christians postulate that Jesus wrestled death or satan or both in Hell. We see that Hell is not on earth. So while you hope for heaven, the door(s) of Paradise may not be opened for people except those who are mulsims. Hence, is heaven, a generic place that contains many things what a person wishes to go, or is it Paradise, a specific place?

This is the message:
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God sent not His Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through Him might be saved" (John 3:16-17).

The speaker(s) is/are not Jesus, yet thet counted it as saying of Jesus; its difficult to know the truth of who said what.

This shows that Salvation is possibe for every person because God Himself provided our way of escape.
"But God commended His love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us" (Romans 5:.
"For He has made Him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in Him" (2 Corinthians 5:21).

Neither of the verses was revealed or spoken by Jesus.

"But was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon Him; and with His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquities of us all" (Isaiah 53:5,6).

OT which no Christian pays any attntion except lip service.

what does Islam has to do with croos? nothing.

@Focused123: « #171 on: Yesterday at 11:05:54 PM »

You are the one who is ignorant. You are the greatest Muhammedan Illiterate. Jew describes a nationality and not a religion. We have Jews who are christians, Muslims and so on ,

I dont think Focused123 knows that those synagogues are not places of worship of the Christians. Christians worship in Churches, duuh, and we Muslims worship in Masajid! Synagogue and Jewish Temples are places of worship for people whose religion can be identified as Judaism or Jew, in a religious now or ethnic identity! I have heard many say that they are Jews by ethnicity and or by religion. Tom Arnold, Ivanka Trump are good examples.

Focused123, you dont know. Is there any reason to respond to you, on the other matters? NO.

@mODUPE01:[Quote]You still don't get it. Your religion or theirs doesn't count. The question all religious folks need to answer is why would you be admitted to heaven?[/quote]I got it, the reason am responding which you failed to even approach. Maybe i should have asked JeSoul. Aburo, she ongbo? I thought religions do not count and it will include Judaism, too. I am not interested in Heaven but Paradise. Heaven is where Hell and Paradise are located, while you are simply interested in it, you may just be admitted to the other while I am admitted to Paradise!

If Christians would barely make it you need to ask yourself what chance do you have in making it.

Christians will never make Paradise. They may make the other in Heaven!

The video below answers these questions and also corrects the misconceptions that a lot of religious people have about the reason Jesus came to this cosmos earth.

Is the reason Jesus came to this cosmos earth, not in the Gospel he preached, just like the Torah that Moese preached telling us why he came to this cosmos earth, like the reason for Muhammad can be found in the Quran, therefore, did Jesus say that he was sent to the Yorubas or strictly to the Children of Israel, leading the lost among them back to the precept of Moses' laws, which prompted Jesus saying 'whosoever abrogates or asked anyone to abrogate shall be the least in the kingdom of heaven; hell'. I say your preacher in the video, if he says anything other than authentic words of Jesus, if you can get any, he is not to be believed.

@na2day?: ^^^^ the yorubas to the royals, "KABIYESI" (Who can ask him?) or when they want to respect somebody. Is there a real Kabiyesi but The Creator? So if a king in Owo, or Abeokuta of Lagos (sorry every one else, I did not even mention my beloved Ijebu Ode) says "Awa" and he is addressed as "Kabiyesi" Cant the Creator address Himself in either of these manners? And in the Quran, when Allah says "We" you will see where it ends in that phrase bringing it all into a complete circle, mentioning His own Name to let us know that the majestic plural is only about Him!

By the way, the "KABIYESI" (who can ask/challenge His Decision(s)) does appear in the Quran; in Surah Baqarah, it is the most popular verse in that Surah and I bet almost all the Muslims on Nairaland is aware of it! Does Jesus qualify as Kabiyesi, or it is Ghost o Father since you said they are coequal gods, each being able to challenge the other(s), I will say?