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@davidylan: « #22 on: Yesterday at 05:49:41 PM »

if this Isrealis are the ones that are unguided then i'd rather no one guided Nigeria so we can be as powerful as them too.
Imagine the "guided" arabs . . . even muslims dont want to live among them.

dont be naive, man. if strenght equals guidance, then egypt under pharaoh was guided while israelite slaves in egypt were not. No? am I correct man?

yet, look into your book, the Torah part it says the israelites were the chosen people of Yahweh. No? You see that there is no direct correlation or logic to draw any conclusion that strength means guidance. I only use Israelites case. We will have the same for all powerful nations and people; Rome in time of Jesus. USSR before Parastroika and Glasnos. India, Germany, Japan, China, Sweden, Denmark, etc, today!

and guidance has its greatest reward on the day of Judgement; while the dsbelievers and worldly powerfuls are shamed and herded altogether to hellfire, for punishment, the muslims InshaAllah, minus the hypocrites among us shall be guided to Paradise. Part of the guidance benefit is that the bridge over Hell, we shall pass it, successfully (Hatman), while the Kufar will fall down or lead without giving any chance to even mount the bridge (Hatman)!

David, is this where you want your end?

@Mavenbox: Quran has nothing to do with Bible, so your Biblical-evidence is actually irrelevant. Bini people have Oba, Iyasere, Ojumu, etc that Owo people in Ondo state have king and chieftancies of same titles. Is one set/group depending on another? No. Exactly the same thing with Quran and "Bible".

David of the Bible was a killer, adulterer, etc. This is different from Prophet King David of Quran. I use this to illustrate their incongruencies!

@Focused123: « #120 on: Yesterday at 01:29:06 PM »

Muhammed who is suppose to be the model for every muslim is a total and complete failure for so many reasons :

(1) Muhammed was not appointed a prophet by God. All the other prophet before him were all divinely appointed Do you have any proof? And what proof do you have of the appointment of any that you take as a prophet, even that of Jesus, except what he said of himself? Did you have an undisputable proof; any?

(2) Muhammed is not even sure of where he is going to when he dies And all his followers are sure of entering Jannah, InshaAllah. Who do you think is the leader of Jannah? You are too emotional and lack practicality.

(3) Muhammed cannot perform any miracle I ask what miracle did Ibrahim performed? What miracle did any prophet; Noah, Job, Jospeh, Jacob, Isaac, Elijah, Job, Jonah (i put him to proof a point about Jesus' 3 days and 3 nights.), Lut, and many others? Tell me their miracles and even tell me the independent miracles of Moses and Jesus. And Jesus said of my own power I can do nothing!

(4) Muhammed's life was an apology apology in what sense? are you okay?

(5) Muhammed was a paedophile and a warmonger, a hatemonger and mentally retarded. i think anyone responding to your continuous berating statement without any substance has too much time on his hand. I think I will quit responding to you, until you come back to your senses, whenever that is.

(6) Muhammed's Quran was plagiarised. It was full of hatred and war you seem to just be spewing ying yang without any proof. plagiarisation; show me Surah falaq and many others in the Bible? Is there a verse about hate and war in the bible? is there is a single one, then you are just blowing smoke. but if a single verse in Quran says something of love, mercy and forgiveness, hope, etc, then you are wrong, again!

God have mercy !!!

focused123, just because Muslims dont say anything as a personal attack on your leadership or gods, is not to be taken that we dont see fault and can do tit for tat. we take command from Quran that says "dont abuse their "gods or god" for they may retaliate and abuse your God". imagine that. abuzola has not insulted your gods, except to use what you agree as his fate (death on the cross, etc) to remind you of his human being position instead of calling him God, wrongly. with all of that, you have lied on Muhammad (as).

Has any husband been accused of pedophilia for just sleeping with his legal wife? a woman who never complained about her marriage to the husband? Are you okay, man?

i need to advise you, focused123; there is nothing called muhammadan! should i call christian jewish or paulist, pauline, etc? i will be wrong if I do, but yet I will be righter or more correct if I do, than you calling Muslims Muhammadan. Muhammad (AS) himself will be Muhammadan then. but we see that he was a muslim. the same religion that Jesus practised, regardless of his tribe; Jew or Jewish tribe, definitely not Jewish religion, because neither Moses nor Ibrahim practised Judaism and Jesus religion was same as theirs.

Since Jesus was not a christian and did not start it, we have to assume that christians can also be called Paulines or Paulists, etc, and Muslims cant be called Muhammadan since Muhammad (AS) did not start Islam!

@Abuzola: dont respond to Focused123 and those that curse. Let Malaika respond to them. I know its very difficult. and am guilty of this, too.

Should a woman not defend womanhood? A person who says he is not going to have sex, declaring it as an oath (lol, the liar did not mean it. just like his trinity is not real), should have lowered his gaze around women! Whats an oath when you can even live it? Whats a God that does not have the power to be different from common man? Whats a God begging another God? I can go on for days on this alone.

@focused123; my statement is about nigerian population of muslims. open your minds; the inner eye that it.

are you okay no2atheist? you worry me, man.

go on pages 6 and 7 of this very thread, focused123. further, the surah Qamar started with "the moon has been split". thats past tense. it happened before the verse was revealed. please dont amuse me. and as to the eclipse, let just assume for the sake of argument that he ran (i doubt it. maybe walked briskly as if in haste, concern), we see that when he was told that this was the phenominal because of his son's passing away. he (AS) told his community that is not true.

a person who has a fear of eclipse will not have the control of the mind, to tell his companions, especially when he was bereaved that it was not a phenom based on the death of his son. You think any person has bettered him on earth by this complete honesty? Jesus of the Bible, as claimed by the Christians says he not God, then elevated himself as god. pure ego.

Muhammad (as) by ahadith never did anything like that. All glory is to Him, Allah.

waging war against everybody in a country with at least 50% muslim population shows you that they may not have been fighting for islam, though saying that they are doing so. is just in the same tradition of the nation of islam in usa calling themselves muslims. or you christian calling Jesus God. all of you are wrong and far away from the truth.

Adam (as) was shown all things in the future, a sign of Allah's elevating him, and making the Angels to prostrate to him. the showing of the future is the afore knowledgement, which made him give some of his life to David. forgetfulness is part of mankind. we see Jesus foretting that there is a season for figtree to fruit. the forgetfulness of Jesus, according to the Bible made him get angry along with the hunger that he cursed the figtree to die!

are these not signs of their humanness? and the fact that Adam knew about David's future existence is enough for him as a child he loved to give him what was precious to him; part of his time on earth. Adam believed what was shown to him by his Creator. And the fact that David came to existence is enough in essence that his "prophesy" about it, though only discussed with Angels when he was dying is enough.

Remember people that the christians call David a killer and adulterer, not a "Hero", except if sexual killers and adulterers are heroes in your books?

focused123, you have to say that you will leave christianity, if i proof just one wrong? just say 'proof me wrong' is not enough reward for my precious time. you have to know that my spending time to set you straight will cost you; from kufr to pure iman.

@Collins:« #6 on: Today at 01:51:05 PM »

GOD SAYS I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I WILL HAVE MERCY AND Show compassion upon who i will have compassion@all u skceptics of d bible.i want to ask u a question"have the potter not power to make one vessel to honour and another unto dishonour? Then hw can a vessel say to the creator: Why hath thou made thus?

This is latin? It is not addressing anything. at least the nugget of this thread. How is Jesus and or the religion he knows nothing about; christianity something an african should say she must consider? Strange things.



@sleek29 (m): « #7 on: Today at 01:55:20 PM »

Acts1:8 But ye shall receive power, when the Holy Spirit is come upon you: and ye shall be my witnesses both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea and Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. Jesus telling his disciples to be his witnesses to all including Nigerians.

John17:18 As thou didst send me into the world, even so sent I them into the world.

you see how your Bible, fight itself by one group of verses fighting another? My guy is not even attempting to address the many verses that opened the thread! Reason is that sleek29 is defeated here, so he will go on tangent to try to avert reality to his fallacies! It does not work that way. You have to destroy those verses, first before we take you seriously as a person with any tangible thing to say.

focused123 i hope you will also agree that all christianists are happy when the columbine boys killed their classmates in colorado. from this event, alone, there has been many christianist copycats. how about all the post office killings, and the one that just happened in orlando this past friday? how about all the rapes and the abductions of youn g women in america; all christians, am sure the christianists are happy?

lets leave america alone and go to nigeria; the beheadings and sexual crimes and individual violent acts are just as bad as the community violence of boko haram. no? i hope the christianists are privately happy about these?


too, can play this game, if you dont realise that crime of this nature is woven into the fabric of america and natural to her as hotdog, mom and apple pie!

i dont know any abuzombi. islam is a religion that people are permitted to have opinion, the reason ahadith came about; questions, statement that needed correction because it is not the correct position.

luvola, the foundamentals of islam is uniform among muslims, knowledge and emotion are not. when tragic incidences happen, at least in the usa, i dont see you saying its based on religion, except when it is muslim that commits the herrendous act.

most christians say jesus when thy commit sins; at least sexual illegality. is jesus participation or they are doing it for Jesus?

i dont speak like this, but this sitation warrants such an example!

thank Allah that the first trimester is over. now osisi can talk, shake off the morning sickness and the many throwing up, wasting the well prepared food.

if normal people who are married were to in front of every market patron sleep with each other, they should be punished for cheapening good sex at a bad inappropriate place.

if those who are not married to each other do the same, they should be punished as appropriate as to either fornication or adultery as regarding the individual participant's marital status.

if it is a rape, then dont you have more than 4 people in the market, where everyone is a witness? Osisi, go relax, because boy boabies are always hard on moms. i know my younger boy was 23 today, and the experience with their mother was typical; shaking the woman to her core.

witnesses in illegal sex swear about what they witness in from of those who were not there to see it. remember it is human that will pronounce judgement on them. now then, when the whole market was the witness, what do you think Nnewi "Eze Ezearo" of Arochukwu:Kanu Oji in his lifetime would have done? There is the whole town in the market; mothers, the respected people of the communities, and of course some men, too.


I wonder if your hatred of Islam allows your inner eye to open up? You sometimes seem to me as if you are struggling to supress any good in you so that you can play the part.

going to prison instead, where Allah elevated him.

the lone gunman syndrome is as amerian as "mom", "hot dog" and "apple pie". His shouting Allahu Akbar is synonemous to person in the any town or city usa saying "yoo!" people in this usa, are inertly violent and it is the hallmark of the citizenry. if this man kills because he is muslim, one will see all muslims killing people. but that is not the case, since some of the military people who spoke up and condemned him are muslims.

while the african pundits of nairaland are having a field day on Islam, i wonder what they say about the colorado high school people killing their school mates in columbine? or what the Virginia Tech student did, or what happened in the carolinas, or other places, including the Orlando Florida office shooting this past friday? each is a lone shooter or just few people (max 5 people as i give all leeway to see if muslims will fit this profile), and we dont see that in any muslim society.

america unless those who are denier of truth is known for its violence and sexual crimes. just because a person is muslim does not mean that he did it for islam, but just his americana, regardless of how many Allahu Akbar he shouted. Laa ilaha ilallah is what a person who is dying wishes to have on his lips. as I personally blame the guy, being extreme in my view, i think his action is contrary to islam, and there is no justification for it, especially with all his matriculations, he should have stayed above the frays, fightig his demon in a different way; patience and prayers.

afterall, joseph (as) prayed that Allah does not let him commit fornication.

the americans say that you should never throw away the baby with the bath water. and the africans say you never can be angry with your child and turn him loose so that the wild tiger kills him off as food. if humans will not do these to their children, its hard to believe that God will do that to Hid child or children if he has any (I know e does not have any, but making a point with Christian and Jewish gullibilities). for those who call themseves children of God, there was your lie, or your God is not really God, since humans will not even do that with their own children!

@Jcross22: « #239 on: Today at 02:40:22 AM »

@olabowale,can you esplain this to me,
How many days did it take to create Heavens and Earth ?
Quran 7: 54 Your gurdian-Lord is Allah who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
Quran 10: 3 Verily your Lord is Allah, who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
Quran 11:7 He it is Who created the heavens and earth in Six Days
Quran-25:29: He Who created the heavens and earth and all that is between, in Six Days
The above verses clearly state that God created the heaven and Allah created the heaven and the Earth in 6 days. But the verses below stated-
Quran 41: 9 Is it that ye deny Him who created the earth in Two Days ?
Quran 41: 10 He set on the (earth) Mountains standing firm high above it, and bestowed blessing on the earth, and measured therein all things to give them nourishment in due proportion, in FOUR DAYS…THE QUESTION NOW IS HOW MANY DAYS DID YOUR ALLAH CLAIMED TO CREATED HIS EARTH.

In the above, we see that Heavens and earth, all things were created in Six (6) days. Now, we know that Allah says that when He decrees a thing He but say to it; Kun fa ya kun (Be so it be). Keeping these in mind, then I as a human being without any special ability is typing and at the same time talking on the phone; two complete things, not congruent, but incongruent to each other. If I could do these, is it therefore impossible for Allah to create heavens and earth, whereby part of the creation of both run at the same time?

Can you eat and watch TV, both at the same time? lol.

Now that I have answered your question. What will you do about the knowledge, since if you are eating you may refuse to breath, unable to do two thing at the same time?

All his encounters with the angel Gabriel were also not witnessed by a second party.

You need to slow down man, because your dishonesty, I cant follow that quickly. There was the ahadith of Jibril; He came to teach you your religion. The people in the community, including the feisty Umar Khattab (ra) who couldnt do anything, until he left, before he was able to comment, even concerning that he had the audacity to put his knees against the knees of the prophet (AS), an action that Umar considered to be disrespective in the presence of the companions.

All of Muhammad's alleged 'miracles' are in contradistinction to the fact that the miracles of Moses were conducted in the full view of the Israelites and the Egyptians and in broad daylight.

And the "passover" was in the dead of night, you not telling the truth man! Argue about the miracle of Jesus and Moses for a moment! Lol. Only the Isra wa Miraj and some revelations of the Quran were not in the presence of the community of Muhammad (AS)! Think, man.

Another incredible difference is the fact that the miracles of Moses were forewarned while those of Muhammad were afterthoughts.

You are the most incourigible person on NL. Make up your mind, man. First Muhammad didnot perform, then its always with no eye withness, now his miracles were after thoughts? You think Muhammad was a show off? Moses was not a show off, either, since it was always after Pharaoh broke his promise that a miracle followed!

example, before any miracles befell Egypt, Pharaoh was warned of exactly what was going to happen to his country if he refused God’s commands. In the case of Muhammad on the other hand,no such forewarnings were ever mentioned.

Oh focused, please focuse and tell me where Jesus warned and what miracle(s) he performed with it, in the foot-plan of Moses who warned and performed miracle to follow? Am waiting and will laug at your failure!

Moreover, whereas in the Bible, the Almighty never ABROGATED a verse or CHANGED ‘His Mind’, whereas in the Quran there are at least 71 Surahs with a plethora of abrogated and abrogating verses asserting that the Omniscient Allah repeatedly changed ‘his mind’, invariably to ‘lessen a burden on the followers of Muhammad’ or to satisfy any of Muhammad’s personal needs.

So exlainMark 12 verse 29, where Jesus said he wasa worshipper of God, and contrast that to he being God, and see if it fits? Thats not agreeable to abrogation, since it should mean that there is a gradual process whereby he moved from a worshipper to God. No? this is the process of abrogation as at one time drinking was not recommended, was not forbidden and then later forbidden. Am trying not to include Ot because that will shame NT, since it s with the 3 gods concept!

For example, I was a boy, now am a man, but in both cases a full blooded male. when I was a boy, tose grown ups who called me man were just trying to boost by ego, I knew i was a boy. now that am almost a grandpa, anyone who calls me a boy must be a childhood friend otherwise he knows that he has lied, unless he is my big brother, or old enough to be my father. Osisi, you hear me, young girl.

Of course such an ascription to Allah constitutes BLASPHEMY since it renders and reduces Allah - if Allah is the God of Israel & Jesus - to a mere fallible and ignorant mortal ***

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94        What kept men back from Belief when Guidance came to them was nothing but this: they said "Has Allah sent a man like us to be (His) Apostle?"

Did God sent anyone but human to humans? Moses, Jesus, Noah, Job (AS) just to name a few? Jesus was still rejected by his own, 'bani Israil" even to this day.

All the stories of ‘miracles’ attributed to Muhammad, are FALSE and INVENTED  reports, concocted years later by his followers in the Ahadith.

This applies to the Biblical miracles, except you will run to the Quran of Muslims headed by the same Muhammad (AS) to say; see,its not so. No?

The demand by the Qurayshites for miraculous proofs is understandable both from the cultural and psychological points of view. They could not accept that a mere human being, a less than equal to their nobility, could claim such superiority as Muhammad did.

Superiority? Yet he said I am but a human being? Please open your mind's eye. Is there a better subtribe among the Makkan Qurashi than the Hashimites, since no one ever accused him among them. I dont know your tribe, but in Yorubaland we know clans by the traditional worth; royal bloodline and secular worth, other achievements. The igbos by their Osu clan strata. Ojukwu for example acieved by father's wealth and his personal position, and since am not an igbo, i cant tell you about the tradition, for sure he is not from the lowest. Muhammad was from the highest of Makkan, unless you have a proof other than all we have in Islam, mr. nigerian Christian. I say this to show how remote you are from knowing better.

They needed tangible and clear proofs that Allah was on his side as he claimed. 13:7  “ And the unbelievers say: Why is not a sign sent down to him from his Lord? But thou art truly a warner, and to every people a guide”
This verse explains very clearly the function of Muhammad: he was only a warner and definitely not a miracle worker.

and Jesus, or Moses was a miracle worker, and not a warner? Do you for once think that both are mutually exclusively from each other, without any single soul being able to have them? in addition, Muhammad was a bringer of good tidings to people. afterall through his good tiding i will enter jannah, and through his warning, i will avoid jahanam. and his miracle sustain me from falling for a three god worshipping even including all the flesh exposing opposite gender (see how they will take this statement; its a bait so that their women and thehard hearted hardliners can come running to defend nudity!).

*** It is important to point out that every single alleged 'miracle' in the Ahadith that Muhammad was a party to, was never witnessed by anyone else but Muhammad; invariably in darkness or at night

And when he was just a baby that his wet mother's breast swollen with milk was in the dark, or when the donkey that was broken down became energized that was in the dark, or when as a child playing the field the angels opened his chest, that was in the dark? All the things that happened in the presence of his companions were in the dark and he was alone? You are a special mind. I give that to you.

@focused123: « #226 on: Yesterday at 07:04:42 PM »  

@Olabowale and other Muhammedans in this thread :
The most surprising ‘revelation’ in the Quran is the fact that it does not contain a single report of any MIRACLE PERFORMED by Muhammad.

You are not telling the truth. Surat Qamar disproves you. Read it, because it says the Moon is rendered asunder, split, not will be split.

On the contrary, in several verses – more than twenty of them - they DENY him the ability to perform any, as an example to prove either the existence of Allah or to impress the pagans so that they may convert.

I hope you can think. But for me, I doubt it. So I will proof it by your below; the Verses of the Quran proofing you wrong.

17: 90 They say: "We shall not believe in thee until thou cause spring to gush forth for us from the earth

Does this nullify that other miracles were not performed, since what we read here is that at the revelation of this verse, their miracle was "SPRING FROM THE EARTH", which was not yet performed. Later, from ahadith we see that spring of water(s) came out of his blessed hand, between his fingers! Did any prophet do that, from between his hand?

91"Or (until) thou have a garden of date trees and vines and cause rivers to gush forth in their midst carrying abundant water;

Again, a verse at a moment in time. In the payment to free Sayiddina "Salman Al Farsi" (RA), the prophet planted to germination, without any ungerminated palm date seeds that were incinerated to mere and complete charcoal! All he said was supplicated to Allah and as he put each into the soil was Bismillahir Rahmanir Rahim.

92 "Or thou cause the sky to fall in pieces as thou sayest (will happen) against us; or thou bring Allah and the angels before (us) face to face;

Did any Messenger/Prophet (AS) make the sky fall and Muhammad (as) was unable? Did any prophet bring God face to face to his people and Muhammad was unable to bring Allah? The reality is this; both Allah will not permit to happen. If the sky were to have fallen, will there be a man to remain alive? Will anyone see God and not be perished? Focused, dont be arrogantly silly mr.

93 "Or thou have a house adorned with gold or thou mount a ladder right into the skies.  No we shall not even believe in thy mounting until thou send down to us a book that we could read." Say: "Glory to my Lord! am I aught but a man an apostle?"

for him not to get himself with house of Gold flies in the face of the liars who call him "robber and wealth hurder" and against the grain of their unnecessary looting hypothesis. his people even said they wanted a complete book in one single shot, while revelation that is unparallel was coming down, a proof, again the disbelievers who scorn at the way the revelationcame, some are here on Nairaland (noetic, etc, Osisi and gang of texans; lol). Had anyone mounted the heavens by stairwell for all to see? In all of that, the people say they will not believe him. And in the long run, Alhamdulillah most of their children became muslims, while almost all whom Jesus was sent to (the children of Israel) refuse him, till today. Remember I said sent; errant person by his Superior, his God Lord Who created him.

@Aloy~Emeka; « #26 on: Yesterday at 03:18:00 AM »

Hadith is not like the bible. There are no controversies in the bible about what to believe or not.

you must be kidding me, if mark 12 verse 29, 'oh israel you Lord and my Lord is but One God', say jesus, means that means the same thing as the John;s verse 'i and God are one'? if not know that the Bible contradicts itself. infact, i restrict my proofs to nt, only. go look at it, a peep into the greatest opposing book, against itself. the damage here is that you dont even know it, though you see it, you have a reader block. lol.

Bible is the word of God but Hadith is the word of hadith, why compare both of them?

are you okay, emeka, saying hadith is the word of hadith? bible is the word of God? if i show you what paul says, or another entity, including jesus and his mother, that will prove you wrong. no? what will you do; leave christianit, my primary objective? i wanna see you take the bait.

@ceuta: « #14 on: Today at 02:04:25 PM »

@Olabs.Jesus Christ,most of His teachings were in parables,

So when he said he was a worshipper of One Lord God, like everybody ese, he actually was meaning that he and everyone else is a god? What about when he said Love your God with All your heart and your neighbor like yourself, he was saying hate God and hate your neighbor? Are you kidding me, when neither are as clear as a summer day? Where is a need for Parable and interpretation, here?

He said' those that live by sword shall also die by sword'

what did people who died by hanging on the cross lived by? Please dont get me started!

when Peter cut off a soldier's ear. He also said,we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against principalities and powers'.so with these I knew He was not talking about a physical combat.

And when everybody said he died, then he must not have died? Please use the same logic. Be consistent! The Muslims have been saying he did not die for the longest, and maybe you will just wake up to the reality, just this minute.

There are many christian sect today who interpreted the bible to suit their own way of life or to get followers no-doubt. I ve been to abt 3/4 arab nations

So? You could hae missed the truth in all your journeys. afterall, you cant know arab more than an arab, yet we have a selfhater among them and those who are not even muslims, opting for Judaism, Christianity, and others! so whats your valid point about your above? Reality hits you, I guess like a piece of pizza pie!