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@dexmond; « #52 on: Yesterday at 11:38:04 AM »

@Olabowale :
Islam does not mean peace. It means submission to the will of the rock god of kabbah (allah)

Without wasting too much time, Salaam is peace, Silmi is submission as in Quranic verse "Udkul silmi kaafaa" enter way/religion, Islam totally/without restriction (from combined Salaama and Silm, as in Aslama, Aslamtum bi Rabbil Allammin). The way is not Judaism Yahuddi, or Christianity Nasara, but Islam, an Arabic expression denoting a submission that one does willingly without reservation knowing that this is the best and only thing!

Now call us submitter to the will of the rock god of Kabbah, or moon god, neither changes the fact!

@Tpia: « #84 on: Today at 04:00:36 PM »

seriously though, if the moon were hit by a meteor and ceased to exist, what effect would this have on your practices?

In the Chaptertitled "Moon" the first verse says "the moon have been splitted", expressing past tense, an event that already happened. This event happened through the hands of Muhammad (AS) on a full moon night showing as a sign of his prophethood to his Makkan clans! Yet Islam waxes stronger and better, and later became Major civilisation headquartered in Madina, defeating Makka and the whole of Arabs and then ruled 1/3 of the whole world, educating Europe, bringing it out of dark ages to the age of renaissance. Further, as NASA was exploring the water reserve in the moon, I was just wanting to let them research if there was a crack, as to indicate that there must have been a splitting of the moon, shearing that separate the moon into 2 parts, just for a moment. I hope in my lifetime, they will release such a finding! So Islam does not live or dies on the Moon!


@No2Atheism (m): « #85 on: Today at 04:06:32 PM »

Do not expect an answer to that question . . . .

now that i answered Tpia's question, are you now okay? Am answering yours by bolding.
1. Bow down to or towards a man made idol - CHECK. Then Joseph was a man made idol to Jacob and the whole family, when they arrived in Egypt. I will leave my answer at this because if i used Jesus and the three wise men, as man made idol and worshippers, you will be angree for sure

2. Make the Moon a central part of your religion - CHECK. The Jews made the Sun the central part of their religion while you make the Gregorian Calendar as well as the changing of the season as the cetral of your religion. Now who is dealing with less than celestral object as the central part of their religion?

3. Unable to do any miracle - CHECK. Did Moses perform a miracle of his own? No! Did Jesus say he out of his own power can go anything? No! I wonder if you remember that Jesus was asking his Creator (i know you will deny that he was created and you will never give proof, though!) to help him and even take the cup away from his head? I say all of this to let you know that while every miracles of Moses was from the Creator, the same miracles from Muhammad were from Creator, then you guys say Jesus miracles are from him, when he said "of my own I can do nothing"?

4. Make it justifiable to kill anyone that refuses to convert - CHECK. whoisallah on nairaland left Islam and he remains within his family and they have not tried to kill him, yet. You just make things up as you go, no?


ISLAM IS STARTING TO LOOK CLEARER AND CLEARER. and those who have eyes will know that the Creator is One, and not 3 pieces of gods, no?

[/quote][quote]« #86 on: Today at 04:11:45 PM »
1. They are still venerating and worshipping the Black Stone . . . never any muslim who has piety of Creator venerates or worships the Black Stone, or the Kaaba or Muhammad or Jibril, or Ghost or Spirit or Jesus! You must be thinking that we are like christians idolators?

2. Some people are so brainwashed with islamic lies and demon worship that they would not change nor understand the truth about islam even if you inject them with Truth Serum lReading from the snake oil sales man no2atheism is interesting, since he in his christianity worships Ghost, and i hope you are counting it, the worships in addition ghost and finally a sedintary father.

FOR THOSE THAT DO NOT KNOW WHAT THE BLACK STONE LOOKS LIKE, PLEASE CHECK THE PICTURES BELOW: I wonder if i show this folk that the black stone is just that, black stone, neither worshipped nor venerated, will any one including no2atheism will abandone Christianity?

@kunleOshob: « #5 on: Today at 02:06:23 PM »

Jesus did not come primarily to start a religion

the religion of the 'prophets', is what he followed and ask others to always follow. therefore you are saying christianity, obviously a religion is wrong then,

but primarily to reconcile man to God and show man the way to the Kingdom through living a life pleasing unto God.

these are the exact duties of moses, and previous prophets before his; abraham for example shunned all idolatry. lot shunned homosexualism. now shunned all the evil of his people, reconciling them to Creator's prescribed way! Moses did exactly the same against egypt, and even the calf worshipping children of israel.

The truth is that most religious practises [Islam especially] are man made and man thinks he can massage God's ego through praising and worshiping him.

Lets look at christianity for a moment: The name was given by people in antioch, and clapping, singing dancing etc are not manmade? Howabout the organs and the drummings, considering that not all Christian sects follow the same process in their worship.

But then we see that to be muslim, you must believe in Creator as One, make 5 daily Salah, gives charity, fast, hajj and other good deeds.

But that might not be entirely correct as this is how the bible recommends we practise religion: James 1:27:
27 Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God the Father means caring for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world corrupt you.

In addition to declaration that The Creator is One the muslims takes care of widows an orphans and other major rsponsibilities, so I dont know what you are saying!

its so simple yet men can't understand it and we have to add our own to it thinking we can please God through our hypocrisy hence the reason why your prophet in his over zealouness had to invent so many doctrines and impose it on others just in his bid to "please" God.

I am going to freeze the time before Jesus, say when Moses was alive, leading as prophet!When Jesus began to add what he added, originally to what his people though was addition to whatever they thought is original from Moses, they the Children of Israel would have said the same thing about Jesus, adding through his zealotness his own doctrines! One of the very reasons he was not accepted by them, even as a prophet! I wonder what doctrine that Muhammad introduced that jesus, moses, and others rejected, considering that Jesus prostrated his face, etc?

This practise by your prophet is still being seen in religion today and that is why we have so many sects and religions springing up everyday with all sorts of man made beliefs being imposed on others.

Before the islam of Muhammad there were all the religions on earth, already established, including many of their sects; specifically many christian sects. When Islam of Muhammad was established, other new ways are mere sects of already established religion before Islam. If any of those newer sects came about because of Islam, following it, then, it tells us that whatever religion they are following, they do not believe in that religion, so if mormor sects or seventh day adventist, or jehovah witness came about, then they did not believe in christianity. if they came about other than because of Islam, first i dont know why you are not being sincere, and secondly Muhammad (AS) already prophesised that your sects will be 72 anyway, at the end of the day!

The way to God is not about "religion" but living a righteous life as christ taught us.

While you fail to show us how you arrive at your conclusions, about Muhaamd (AS) as you put it above, you failed, also to show if Jesus better those before him, namely Moses who actually saved all his people, etc, Abraham who is termed the father of Faith, while such a title is not at anytime given that title, yet you white washed everything by an empty unsubstantiated elevation of Jesus, when his people he was sent to can calibrate prophethood, and say that Jesus is never as equal in the messengership leading the people as Moses. Are you saying that Moses did not lead anyone to righteousness or the John son of Zachariah who no one can tell us his sin on anything, yet Jesus destroyed the table of the moneychanger, preaching in the wilderness instead of the human habitation, killing the innocent figtree, the drowning of the swine which you relish, calling people fools when he said anyone doing this is destined to fire, comparing a group of people to dogs just because they are not israelites, similar reason his tribes' people call others dentiles. then saying that people should be brought before him and be slained, saying that he brought wars and not peace, asking therefore for purchase of swords if you have no bag (whats in that bag, anyone knows?) and finally blaming God for unanswered prayers.

is this the hallmark of what makes him better and he is the one to follow?



@modupe01 (m); « #6 on: Today at 02:51:18 PM »

@olabowale and KunleOshob,

The message of Jesus Christ is to enter the narrow gate. Watch and listen to the narration in the video below by John MacArthur:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogzpMpY7R8g&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xcfcfcf&feature=player_embedded&fs=1

i at least appreciate you, since you stay away from my questions of trying to define jesus. your silence tells me that you dont know. why should i belief the direction you are steering me, shouldnt you be asking these pundits to help you concerning my questions?

a person who is married is a person who has a spouse. either wife or husband, depending on the gender.

a person who is divorced does not have a spouse until remarried to the former or a new spouse.

the punishment for illegal sex therefore for divorced person is the same for an unmarried person, being fornicator are lashed 100 stripes, and banished for one year from the community.

the punishment for a married person is stoning to death, unless such a person renounces the confession, the stoning must stop, even if the punishment is already on the way being carried out. such a person must not be partially buried before the stoning begins, there are examples that they are free, capable of running because of the pain and shielding to cover!

unfortunately most muslims dont understand islam, coupled with foolish emotion brought about by pure ignorance, the mob mentality of trying to cover up their faults and suffer somebody else for their poor conditions, they do not go back to Allah as in checking everything against His Words, the Quran, and His Messenger as in looking up everything that they see in the Quran for its actualization from the hadith and sunnah.

this people who killed the divorced woman had done evil thing, because she was neither married and she was not allow to move about, since it is not permissable to use a big stone that will just kill the person in one shot, it is not permissable to half bury the guilty in order to carry out the the punishment, while you must listen at all time for the one who is being punished crying out as to take back the guilty pronouncement, whereby the punishment must stop!

that should have been the mercy, an outlet muslims must be looking for in every way, and not killing, vengeance, and hard heartedness.

@na2day?: it is evident that you are neither a yoruba blood for you would have heard somebody like your elder talking to you in a manner that "plural majestic pronoun" met him or her, alone, nor that you have any royal blood in you, otherwise you would have heard the same majestic pronoun from the lips of any, talking about himself or herself.

examples; i may say to my wife, "sebi 'awa' loko?", meaning "we" are the husband?, seeing fro, my language structure that it is me alone that is the husband (singular), a situation that she and I and everyone is clear about.

as for the royal, just like the wearer of the crown does not see the inside of the crown, he never refers to himself in a singular pronoun: "ani" ipade di ojo mejo, meaning "we" said the meeting is 8 days from when uttered.

and for those of you who will say that the same yoruba language says "enikon ki nje "awa" de, meaning a single person can not announce his presence as in 'we are here', only applies when the weak is dealing with the strong, since alagbara or olowo lagba (the powerful/the wealthy is always the elder), whose opinion carries much weight!

now na2day?, if mortals can give themselves such imprtance as in plural of royal majesty, why do you think that the Immortal Lord God the Creator cant address Hinself in the same manner, since He uses the higher gender known to mankind, Male instead of female to denote Himself, yet we His creatures know that He is completely different from us, in physical and emotional sense, yet you christians and your patrons, the jews, etc falsely claim that you are of His image!

tell us how such a statement can be true; does your physical shape exactly His, or it what you have inside is like His? are you immortal, too?


again list my mistakes, since you said above 'that is your first mistake'. i think your idea about my mistakes, especially the first is dead. if not give me a good rebuttal.

@poster; what are you saying? is your intention as the intention of the video piece speaker saying there are no true or just handful of christian, rather true christians alive? what then are the majority, christians only by name, destined for hell fire?

let me then pst these sets of questions to you and the author of the video and any christian who care to approach any or all;

1. what was the religion of jesus, if any relative to the religion or religions if not just one religion of john and his father zachariah, elijah,elisha, job, jonah, solomon, david, samuel, king saul, moses, aaron, joseph and his brothers and sisters, jacob, isaac, abraham and lot, noah, enoch, adam?

2. please calibrate their religion, or religion of each person if you thing they all did not have the same religion. name what you think they have and what jesus had, unless he had no religion.

3. if jesus did not have any religion, and moses had a religion, and that religion of moses is the same of father jacob who was neither a jew nor children of israel by ethnicity because both came after him, just like christian and christianity came after jesus, but if jacob had the same religion as his father isaac, grand father abraham, and human generations before these, noah, enoch, adam had the same religion, is that religion not something other than jew and christian?

4. what is the name of that religion, and is it still alive among man or completely dead, even practised by these noble man, especially abraham whom every so called monotheistic religion is claiming a source from?

5. if ths religion is alive name it and give us reason you say it is?

6. if the religion is dead, please give us the reason that none of the so called monotheisms is not it?

7. why would the Creator allow the ways of these men, especially His Friend, Abraham died and what is it replaced with?

8. to therefore be true christian which is christlike, should it not be inclusive of the religion and all instruction of jesus as you know it, a religion that one will take to be the religion of all the Godly men before him, especially Abraham, and definitely Moses whose law and way he practised and warned against any to abandoned it?

@whoisallah: « #35 on: November 17, 2009, 11:27 PM »

Olabowale thanks for your story.I know your type.You are the type of people that instigates Almarjiris like Abuzola in the North to kill christians.No wonder your support for him. Abuzola in one of his threads prayed to the demonic allah to make him a Martyr in order to unleash his demons on my People in Lagos State and all you can say to defend him was that, a Martyr can die in his sleep,when he's eating or 'shitting'.All you do is to play politics with terrorism as long as Abuzola is a Muslim, no problem.I don't blame you.You are not in Nigeria and probably, most of your immediate family are living with you in a foreign land.You can't see any problem with a Boko Haram Hausa/Fulani boy in Lagos State who is propagating hatred/terrorism.If you understand the level of evil perpetrated by the Boko Haram leader Yusuf, you will know what i'm talking about.Yusuf (Boko Haram leader) started just like Abuzola before people like you hijacked him for their selfish religious purposes.Hence, the reason why he was shot dead before giving their names. I've lived in Kaduna and Jos during my youth Corp years and I've witnessed religious crisis in both cities and I know what I'm talking about. These Boko Aram people wont know you as a Muslim(Olabowale) when religious crisis starts. The first thing that comes to Abuzola's mind is whether you are a Yoruba, Igbo, Efik etc.As long as you are not Hausa/Fulani, you are 'Keferi'(unbeliever).He wont even recognize your 'goatie' beards.Gaskiya,You are a dead man.

First off, i dont wear goatie, but a long full beard. death, i do not fear, though i do not want to die for another 70 years, my trust is 100% in Allah. the worst of Abuzola is better than the best of whoisallah. While you complain unrelentessly, what i get from many nigerian keferis in their deceit is sickening; the best of you is worse than the worst of muslims. And while you ignorantly say things, do you forget that my nieces, uncles and aunts, brothers and sisters are part of my family? And from a large family, how many people in my family do you think are in nigeria?

Look around, i ee you christians fighting one another by sects, and you thing i dont know that you fight one another by tribe, too? Go sedon, and the rest of your 'above' does not warrant any response, even further consideration. and while Quran runs contrary to the Bible, the fact therefor, is that the Bible is a fallacy, while the Quran is the One True Complete Words of God Almighty Creator!

Let me tell you some stories about me like you used to do. About my accepting Christ as my Lord and saviour,you only need to be in it in order to understand it. Jesus is LORD and the way, the truth and life. For your information, the other two of my siblings have also accepted Christ,one is even in Atlanta, USA when he met Christ.My mother also became a Christian. You see, stop deceiving yourself. Let countries like Saudi Arabia, Iran, Kuwait, UAE etc declare freedom for people to practice their preferred religion (without them been killed) and you will be surprised. masss exodus of Muslims to Christianity.Enough said, tired of typing, Jesus is Lord

@Focused123: « #64 on: Yesterday at 01:58:43 PM »

@Olabowale :
How has Abuzola challenged me with my bible ? Abuzola have been so insulting to me. He has never written anything sensible neither have you written anything sensible.

Everything about that cult you call Islam is nothing other than utter stupidity, violence, abnormalities and backwardness. Nothing good can ever come from you since the mindset you have come from that satanic verses called Quran.

You are in US, Do you know what is going on in Nigeria ? Do you know the havoc those idiots called Boko Haram have done to the psyche of the people ?

If you say your cult is cult of peace, then I will like to see peace not al-taqiyyah (Islamic deception) and violence.

I know what happens in Nigeria. Today alone, I called some six or seven times. My people are there and am primarily a nigerian! What are you saying? i am Olabowale, a pure yoruba name, while you are focused123. See the difference? And as to Islam being a cult; at least we know that Creator has a proper name, Allah and we say Yaa Allah, in some cases, we say some other descriptive names of His enoting His Awesomeness, while you say H(Alleh)luyyah, to praise Yahweh, Jehovah, Eloi, Elohim, Ghost/spirit or Jesus? Tell me who is confused here?

na2day? cant even respond to me, with anyintelligence, except off the wall response like "thats you first mistake?" whats the mistake; the fact that i said you dont know the difference between One God and three gods; father and Jesus and Ghost? Can you count, man?

@na2day?: I did not even asked you about what you meant about my lack of education and civilazation, because i know that it will be impossible for you to calibrate, considering that you dont even know the difference between One and Three!

@Focused123: « #167 on: Today at 12:37:59 PM »

Muhammed was never a prophet in the first place.

There were Bani Israil in Madina who became Muslims (AbdalSalaam (RA) a renown Jewish scholar in the time of Muhammad (AS) in Madina is one). There ar many who are Muslims, today from Israelites which we call the disbelievers among them Jews, by religion. This Children of israel nations had many Messengers and Prophets, starting from the first of them, Israel himself and ending up with Jesus (AS). They knew who was a prophet, and they considered Muhammad as one, the reason Abdalsalaam became Muslim in the lifetime of the Prophet.

He was a Saudi Arabian warlord.

Ignorance is a disease, and my proof is that the Children of israel argued with Jesus not because he said he was son of God, since it is written in their Torah that they are all sons of God, even God, in an esoterical understanding of honoring and figuratively. It is because jesus said that he was figuratively God the reason they grew in enemity to him and your Bible said that he was seazed and finally hung. We see that even the Jewess in Madina poisoned the prophet to proof this point if he survived the poison, a thing that killed other instantly, he died of it and other complications, many years later, at older age, even though we see that people today even die much younger. While some Israelites of good knowledge of Torah as Jew became Muslims, and others who were Christians also became Muslims, though Jesus was from them, the Israelites refused for the most part then and now refused to accept him as a prophet, except as a Rabbi. Who is not up to good knowledge here, telling untrue stories about the prophets, Jesus, Muhammad and or any others.

So the Quran are Muhammed personal hallucinations clever projected into the mouth of unsuspecting allah which is the black stone of Kabah.

I wonder if you know what you are talking about; Allah is Moon God at some times from the mouth of the disbelieving Christians, you included, Allah is now allah the stone of kaaba by your account! When do you begin to make sense even if you refuse to speak the truth, but at least you must be focused on your deceit so that you are not this easy to be turn apart!

@Backslider: if because the holy month is ushered in by the moon, and this make Allah a Moon God, what is the Yahweh, jehovah, Eloi, Eloihim since things in Christianity is ushered in by the calender, shall we not say Jehovah is Calender God? I want you people to start thinking rationally. I know it hurt the head, bringing about migraine or at least noticeable Headache!

@bolsharp; « #73 on: September 05, 2009, 10:12 PM »

Yusuf Ali explains in fn. 5096, pg. 1445, that Lat, Uzza and Manat were known as “the daughters of God [Allah]”
Did the Qur’an at one point tell Muslims to worship al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat? Yes. In Surah 53:19-20.
Have those verses been “abrogated” out of the present Qur’an? Yes.
What were they called? “The Satanic Verses.”
read surah 53:18-31
you made the greatest mistake uuuuuuuuhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmm,

while yusuf ali is a scholar, his authority does not preclude him from making mistake(s). the statement of the pagans that Allah had children, daughter is exactly similar to the statement of the pagan christians saying that Eloi has children and begotten son, both groups are wrong. And the bolded is a complete fallacy, fabricated since there is no place in the Quran or ahadith where any worship of anything is commanded, along with the worship of Allah. if you have the proof, please present it and help our ignorance, but until then the burden of proof is on you. If in every case what was abrogated is left in the Quran to show how the final condition, from the beginning step to the prevailing verses which are not abrogated, why is what you said is abrogated not in this case left in the Quran to show the journey from paganism from the time you said the muslims worshipped the three idols to solely worshipping Allah? This should have been the natural process to proof what is now permissable in Islam, not caring about what the disbelievers like you would say. afterall, the process of abrogating adoption as what every disbeliever does when they adopt is in the Quran, using the marriage of the former slave of the prophet who was elevated to adopted son before prophethood was made to divorce his wife and his ex wife marrying the prophet was the proof; that adoption is not blood relation and family based on other than blood ties is fake!? now, if the muslims say that there was never a set of verses that call muslims to worship idols, at that time or anytime, hence nothing to abrogate, and you disbelievers say there is this set of verses, please tell us how do you know about them, since the muslims never said that they were commanded and later abrogated? and the idolators by their behavior, from Makka to final migration to Madina, there was no time the muslims were never persecuted. Please your banafides, otherwise you will be considered by me as a man whose words are not worthy of considerations.

Do you think that if the muslims worshipped the idols at anytime, the idolators will be persecuting the muslims still, at that time? dont you know from logical inference that the idolators would have said that the muslims are now like them and there is no need for any persecution? Imagine at the time that SAul was reported to be persecuting the Christians, if the christians had done the things that would have made SAul happy, do you really think that Saul will be on his way to Damascus to go persecute the people under the authority there? a place different from the jurisdiction that he was a citizen of, another proof that he Saul was not honest in speech is almost as bad as a nigerian saying that he is going to go to Togo and haul back to nigeria for judgement, the non nigerian criminals there whose crimes were not committed again nigeria or nigerians and not on nigerian soil. he the nigerian is doing this so that they can be punished in Abuja, though they have no reason for nigeria to do this except that the nigerian zealot is determined to flex his muscles!

@Dexmond: « #60 on: Today at 08:11:51 AM »
[Quote]Most Muslim if not all know that allah is very far from them. I heard this from the testimonies of ex-muslims. I concur to it too because Islam does not provide intercessor. Let the man come to Jesus "For he will not cast him away"[/Quote]When i put my face on the floor to Allah, for my humility and humbly submitting to Him, He rewards me by removing the Veil between The Foot Stool of His Throne and me, thereby my worship; prayer, supplication and all rise up without and barrier for acceptance. The distance between me and He, based on my willingness to worship Him alone, become the shortest while my face is prostrated. Unlike you in your arrogance, while the best you do is knee with your eyes close before three dieties; Him, he, he (Father, Son, Ghost)! Now I have short you what you call far is the shortest distance and the closest distance between Creator and created, and it is the only the muslims who enjoy this special relationship.

While you and ex muslims concur on emptyness, the Messenger Muhammad (AS) is the first that will make Intercession on the day of Judgement (read it in the last few verses of Surah Maryam), and that will inshaAllah, before anyone! The muslims with special conditions shall also be intercessors, while you disbelievers shall be herded like cattles to dwell in Hell. I think you are trying to conveniently forget that Jesus by religion was neither a Jew nor a christian, but a muslim, who if alive at the time of Muhammad would have followed Muhammad like Abu Bakr (RA) did.

Proof: Muhammad said Musa as an example would have followed him. Jesus said that Jesus ruling must be fulfilled. If Jesus must follow Moses, and Musa must follow Muhammad, then by simple natural extention of who must be followed by whom, we see that Isa must have to follow Muhammad! If I follow Muhammad, why will I have to adopt the wrong way that you disbelievers create, deceitfully or in arrogance and in pride against your Creator claim to be the way of Jesus, when it is clear that it is not the way of Moses, whom Jesus said he followed by telling everyone that whoever abrogates after him from among his people ,any part of it shall be the least?



@na2day? (m); « #61 on: Today at 08:36:34 AM »
[Quote]civilization and education has not been much help to u[/quote]I am grateful for the Deity Who have prevented me from your kinda of civilation and education, that have (not has 'singular', because it is have 'plural' been or not and) not been much help to me. May Allah not make my heart as arrogant, full of pride and falsely certain about the destination of its soul, heaven, failing to realise that in heaven there are 7 heavens, paradise, hell and others.

@Glaxie: « #294 on: Yesterday at 03:31:58 PM »
[quote@ uplawal, how can I expect u 2 make sense, u claimed all christians were fornicators, but u were chaste as a 'church goer' CONFUSION indeed!! Am happily married so don't bother with your name calling! You were left with no choice so islam 'bed breaking sola came'. I just hope he wouldnt dump u because dat wil be d end of your islam!!! @olabowale, old age is meant to b a blessing! I shld believe uplawal is chaste becos she said so, n dat her Imam sola doesnt gaze at her face because she said so too? Haba, old man, you have been calling Pilgrim.1 names including loose woman becos of her conversion, are you not a big suprise to yourself? old men, say truth even when it hurts. Why are u twisting truth? If you can call Pilgrim.1 a harlot becos of her conversion, why are you defending uplawal? Old man.[quote][/quote]please when you say anything speak the truth. in this case you have decided to leave the truth under the table! my proofs; Pligrim, was never insulted or accused by me for leaving islam. my dialogue with her was just the same with everyone who is not muslim, and even after she told her story i did not insult her. i needed not insult her since i know she couldent be older than my own son.

the second proof that i have was that i simply responded to her, critiquing her islamic period and what she said she was; a hijab wearing from moderately conservative family, educated and wealthy, with her own mouth 'boy crazy' even at that, at her interet was white boys, one after the other which led to her telling us that one of them died in afghanistan in the war on terror whereby she was invited to him funeral as member of the family at Arlington Cementary, and all these while still a hijabed woman and no one of the boys a muslim, while she was still berating christianity; lying words against the prophet (AS), for which she used to vigorously debate against christinity until she found jesus in the miracle of the bed riden person.

my problem with her is her story when she said she did muslim, or when she claimed to have been muslim, and not what she is doing as a non-muslim.for her keferiness, she is just the same to me as any nonmuslim woman.


please do research the dialogue between she and i, and make better judgement about me.

The Quran in surah Kahf is very expansive in details, if the Tafsir is studied, appearing towards the end of this surah. I like Ibn Kathir, simple and direct. One needs to know that these people are already existing in their restricted site Allah makes them stay, from that time of the story in the Quran till just before the day of judgement, when dajjal is also on earth, coinciding with the presecet of Isa bin Maryam (AS) on earth, signs of the arrival of end time.

@Abuzola: « #109 on: Yesterday at 08:47:01 AM »

@sir olabowale- so osisi don carry belle ?

i thought i heard it from you, in some earlier post. anyway, she is cranky sometimes that its as if she is in 1st trimester.

@ohsisi; yusuf ali, an indian whose mother tongue is neither arabic which is what Quran is revealed in nor english which is what he wrote what he thinks the verses mean.

now woman, translate an urhobo language story to calabar language. then those natives when they grade your accuracy then you will understand how uniquely origin Quran is in Arabic. by the way when did revelation became thrown down?

listen to this keferi man in london with his bonion riden feet wearing a dirty bottom seam street dragging sutana calling man god idol worshipper without shame! who is angrier than you when you are faced with facts about you worshipping multi headed god, one part man, just like me, another part ghost like and the last part may be God, but you mislabelled Him as your father, while you still have papa and mama (God protect them) in Nigeria?

The above is reality, unlike your easily debugged, unsubstantiated statement about your Creator Whom you stubbornly insulted along with His messenger prophet Muhammad (AS) whose prophet period you and I and the rest of humanity from the time of his prophet office till end of time live!

I dont wanna step on your kasok because i dont wanna trip you, since am wearing bonfo, i am clean as a whistle!

is this what wants; singing and dancing, even by the likes of kirk, the Indecency addicted and people who are not better in morality and or belief, reflecting back to the days of ebenezer's esu mase mi omo elomiron ni o se song? is that no correct way to worship the Creator than to partner up mere human and spirit with Him, making such an action the most unjust?

i wished it were so that he is a muslim. he needs to retake his shahadah since he said that jesus is his savior. he needs to begin to make proper wudhu, then dily salah, and fast in the month of ramadhan and be allowed to visit Makka and Madina, instead of just Riyahd.

the miseducation that i see of yoy, sayso, is that you are far away from the place of action; Obama is neither a muslim nor an african, but like every conscious black person in america, it either self hatred as they hate african for whatever make them angry, or appreciate their heritage and know that by direct extention, africans are part of them and they part of africa, and much to learn and appreciated.

you have been had by the conservative christian block who are both anti Islam and anti immigrants, brown people in particularly. oh well, you are in Nigeria so what do you care
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salaamualaykum wa rahmatullah, yaa abibi abuzola. for Allah's sake, stop responding to focused123, because of two reason. i will only about the less important reason; he has nothing worthy of your response, since you have challenged them with their Book, and has not made a single sensible response, yet except curse words.

@whoisallah:

A lot of muslims all over the world are willing to convert to christianity but for fear of persecution they remain a muslim.

tell us which part of the world you are refering to? pakistan is the only country formed because they dont want to be with your brother by disbelif, the animal worshippers of hindu paganism and the other pagans, sihk. i wanna know which part of the world. just maybe Taif, or is it Madina or Makka, a place along with Mdina forbidden to your disbelieving soul. i think your statement reminds me of the previous ones where you said you the first son of a lagos imam, while you know that was false. islam is better for it, and you wanna go to jahannam, by all means prepare yourself. your weak statement reminds me of a friend who was a vietnam vet. when i tell him his way is bad and that will lead him to hell, he will reply oh wale i survived vietnam, i just have to take it. so many years later, as he was complaining about the nagging of his live in lover, linda, i said to him, kenny, if you cant handle linda's verbal assort, yet she is not doing it 24/7, how can you handle hell that is meant to punish, hence no one can ever adjst to taking the punishment to be received? he has not answered, but he has since left linda because of just the woman's mouth. whoisallah, open your eyes and walk away from definite poverty of next life, even though i suspect it is the glitter of christianity that drove your weak soul into it, else who in is right mind will take a common man only to replace orisha (take your choice), and say he/she is a worshipper of the Creator, not after hearing the man from jerusalem say "of my own powe, i can do nothing!"

I have muslims in my family and they are not as wicked and heartless as Abuzola.

if a man is ever inconsistent, it is whoisallah. while he criticises islam, right from his own home, threr are muslims that he emulates, i guess these muslims are not eligible for the eagerness to convert out, while had and no one has done anything to him, speaks volume about the 'violent and bloodthirsty' muslims! no? thats a violence they have not carried out as they kill violently all apostates (are you reading this, davidylan?), and a blood that they have not thirsted for!

@whoisallah: « #11 on: Today at 12:54:55 AM »

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@Whoisallah: Arent you ashamed enough to the point that if becomes a dishonor to your Imam father that you should not be telling us that your father produced a Kufr? Alhamdulillah, you have proven that Islam is not transferrable by family belief, but those whom Allah chose. By the way, there is no goodluck in Islam, but Good Fortune.

When I realise Christianity is not leading anyone to paradise I discussed it with my beautiful and honorable Mother Victoria "Maryam" Samuel. This was 2002 and 2006, she left Kufr. Maybe you discuss your three gods concept where on of them was in every respect a human messenger, prophet of the children of Israel, and tell us how quickly your Imam father join the Keferi line? We will be waiting to read your amazing story. Employ Jesus, or Ghost or Father gods. Am sure Allah Subhannah wa Taala will single handedly defeated them, except if their is Munafiq in the heart of the Imam. You know what Munafiq is? It is hypocracy, and hypocrites do have it in their hearts and Allah will bring it out. Are you the test for your Imam father? Be our guest!

Now i know how stupid some people can be. So as old as you claimed to be, you think I'd give my description to a muslim terrorist to come and kill me and my family? I'm disappointed in you Olabowale.Always think twice before you defend Abudophile. Deep down in you, you know he's a stupid boy. You just don't have the balls to say so. So Mr, I dont know any chief imam of Lagos and i'm not his son. However, I'm an ex muslim. I can't laff ojigbijigbj

Where did i say you should give up your identity, except the Christian syndrome is a very bad thing? I simply ask you to go make crusade on your Imam of Lagos, not even asking about which mosque he leads, and you are embellishing like if i asked you anything more specific except what I would have expected from you, since i told you of what i did about my mother, Alhamdulillah! Just to show you deceit to the rest of the world, below, bolded is your statement to Abuzola, which prompted me to ask you to invite your father a Lagos imam to Christianity and you are giving me song and dance, waffling, above! Posted by: whoisallah
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Ok you want to start with me. Fine. That's easy since you are in Lagos. I'm the eldest son of the current chief imam of Lagos. So go do your thing man.Goodluck
Report to moderator Logged. Now where is it that I am wrong since i do not know any abudophile, but responding to your christianity lies and claim that you are a son of am imam? Is it Jesus like to lie just to win point or is this what you ganed in Christianity ala following saul Paul? You are wasting my time!


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Olabowale, seriously, you are a very stupid man.You don't see anything wrong from the above quote from Abuzola but your ostrich egg skull was able to see that I said I'm the son of the chief Imam of Lagos. Can you see how hypocritical and biased you are? And next you'll come out to tell us stories about how u r fifty something, how your mother do dis and your wife do that.How Obanta is related to Ijebu Ode and how NYC is the fastest growing city in the world. Mr. you are BBBBBBBBBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOORRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRIIIIIIIIIIIIII IIIIIINNNNNNNNNNGGGGGGGG. GET A LIFE
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Is this post before the one where you said you are a son of imam? And since this is not the case, should I just sit in a specific thread and or read what a muslim wrote before i respond to a christian who is maligning my religion? It does not work like that. But then, as I saw your post accusing me, i went back to see what your bruhaha about then saw that you entered this immediate post to Abuzola, for which he responded to you with what is below that got you abusing me; Posted by: whoisallah
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@abudophile Boko Aram(Lagos state chapter)

If there's anyone to be 'beware of' for quoting scriptures and hadiths and quran out of context, no doubt it's gonna be you. Even some of your true muslim bro n sis will agree with me you sucker. bloody terrorist, cant wait for you blow your self up you m f.

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First go blow up your father , mother ,wives, children and other family members before coming to blow me up so you can have some more BJ's in hell sucker

now, as i disagree with Abuzola, dont you realise that calling him name that he has not volunteered to bear and going so far to bring his parents to a situation that you mentioned about him, is a terrible uncouth thing? Please behave like a man that has some moderately decent civility. In america, mama's joke, even dick cheney did not take it lying down! You did insult his parents and he did not respond back to you and you are not even learning from his restraint, a man who said he can never hurt anyone.

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@Ohsisi: I asked you to lecture on sperm emission pah you refused. Why?

@luvola: Luvola pray that you live as old as me. I am still praying that i live even older than my 80 something years old mother, maybe into my 130s, so your suspecion is silly at best. i will not allow you to malign my integrity, while i will die, i am not a christian who will drink coolaid like jim Jones of Guyana's Jonestown, or David Kuresh's Branch Davidian of Waco, Texas![quote][/quote]The bolded is what I said. How did I say you will not live as old or even older than me, since I am praying to get older, encouraging you to wish for long life as I wish, since i am writing for 130 something for myself?

This is the problem with idol worshippers parading themseles as worshippers of the Creator! When you say something, it is always over their head, since they even fear their own shadows, praying always of "return to sanders!" Everyone who is objective can see that I do not wish you evil, since I am at least a day older then you, I think, and people who are older than me, white, black, african or whatever call me "hey kiddo" like jewish guy Freddy and say oh wale "pray that you leave long as me," yet they are still alive, so am praying that I live as long and longer than them!

Your oshe she bere is a silly statement and if you curse me, i am unfaced by it, because first you dont know me from Adam and your statement means nothing to me because Allah is enough as my Protector and nothing will happen to me except He determines it to be so and I personally wish well for myself, and your prayer will be secondary and your curse means nothing to me.

Bottomline is that I have not cursed and I have not wished you evil! Go pray to Jesus or any of the other two and leave this slave of Allah to his Creator!

@Uplawal:« #119 on: Yesterday at 11:03:06 PM »

@BABS787,OMG,where av you been for heavens sake?we all missed you,your sister NIMOTALLAHI is enjoying ISLAM O

Blessing of God, Niiahamatullah.

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@all muslims,‘Uthman, Editor of God?
When the Watergate Scandal hit America, the guilty people were not only the ones who stole the Watergate documents, but also the ones who covered it up. While the previous tract discussed many changes in the Qur’an, this tract discusses not just changes but also the cover-up by the Caliph ‘Uthman. He threatened anyone with death if they did not turn in their Qur’an to him, so that he could burn them and re-issue new Qur’ans. Fortunately some early copies were not turned in, and we can see some of the changes that were made.
In Bukhari vol.6:525,526 Qatada and Anas relate that in the time of the prophet [i.e. before ‘Uthman’s rule], four people "collected" the Qur’an: Ubai, Mu’adh, Zaid bin Thabit, and Abu Zaid.
In Bukhari vol.1 chapter 8 p.56: "Anas says that Uthman got the Qur’an compiled and sent a few of its copies to far off places". Bukhari vol.4:709 p.466 says, "‘Uthman called Zaid bin Thabit, ‘Abdullah bin Az-Zubair, Sa’id bin Al-‘As, and ‘Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Harith bin Hisham and then they wrote the manuscripts of the Holy Qur’an in the form of a book in several copies".
The Qur’an used to have manjavascript:void(0);y different readings, but ‘Uthman got rid of all but one. al-Tabari vol.15 p.156  
uslims claim that God’s Word, the Qur’an, will never be corrupted. Be that as it may, apparently some years after Mohammed’s death, the Qur’an needed standardizing, since Caliph ‘Uthman standardized the Qur’an way after Mohammed’s death. Apparently in order that nobody could second-guess his editing, he burned almost all copies besides his standard ones. (Bukhari vol.6:510 p.479) For example, Ubai had several Suras in his Qur’an that ‘Uthman omitted from the standardized text, and thus Muslims do not read today. The Meccan Abdollah Sarh, who once made suggestions to Mohammed, and later renounced Islam, was killed. Presumably he knew too much about how Mohammed changed the Qur’an. However, a few very interesting variant copies did survive and are now in the Azhyar Library in Cairo.

Allah says perish is the condition of the liar. (Laanatullahi alal Qazahb). While you are struggling to pull wool over the eyes of the ignorants, please now that some of us on Nairaland have read about the Fiqh (science/study/methodology) of the compilation of Quran.

The first bolded, what is known as Quran among Muslim is any complete verse, even as simple as Alf Laaam Miiim, which are just three letters, the first verse of Surah Baqarah! Let me educae you about my religion for a moment; when the first 5 verse of Surah Alaq was revealed at that time they were the only revelation, hence they made up the whole Quran for that time. If anyone had it, memorised it, he had memorised the whole Quran. If he had died as a muslim before the next piece of revelation, he had died memorising the whole Quran. Therefore, at the end of 23 years when the Messenger prophet had received all revelations, many people had bits and amounts in volumes based on their desire to acquire its knowledge. But everyone had Quran, exactly what they have in their individual possessions. While Muhammad (AS) knew everything, as the receiver, this is expected, but Abdullah bin Mas'ud memorised everything and even corrected the prophet in Salah, a presidence which allows from that point on for people to correct an Imam in salah if he forgets (temporary forgetfulness considering the volume and the strength or degree of retaining it) or mispronounciation.

For example, it took Umar bin Khattab, the kalifah before Uthman 13 years or so to memorise Surah Baqarah! So what you called Quran above is not a complete Quran from first verse to the last (Surah Fatihah to Surah Al Nas), but bits and pieces and patchments of parts of the whole Quran. And by the way, the whole Quran was already compile in the time of Abu Bakr, immediately few years after the prophet because the Memorisers were being killed by hypocrite clans who lied about their acceptance but disbelievers in their hearts and when the reciters were sent to teach them, they seaze them and slaughter them all, so while you christians cry about the persecutions of the early followers of Jesus, that was pale compared what happened to early Muslims, who were being slaughtered by the hundreds! The first binded Quran at the time of Abu Bakr was left in the custody of Sayidina Asrata Afsah binta Umar Khattab zaujatu Muhammad (AS). It is this single complete and the pieces and bits and patchments that were with the muslim community members, from the time of the prophet till the kalifa of Uthman, that were used to produce the many accented Quran for Makkan/Madinan, the Kufah, the Basra, Bagdad and Syrian accents. Now what is the reason that the patchments, bits and pieces remain when they now have 5 different accents of the same Noble Book?

Am a yoruba boy and if Fagunwa or Odunjo had written Oke langbodo or Irinke rindo (am I correct yoruba people, its been a long time that i cant remember?), wriiten them in yoruba's oyo accent for those who wish to read it in that accent, and ekiti accent, for those who wish to read it in it, or Ondo accent for those who want to read it in it, or Ibadan accent for those ibadan accented yorubas and for clear emphasy in Egba accent for the lisabi people and her egbado people, can we then say that there is a need for the friends who acted as editors for the author "Odunjo" should still old on to the 5 pages of hand written manuscripts they helped hom with, hence when his publishing company chairman asked that they be returned, somebody of later generation is accusing everyone as if there is a cover up, not considering that a full book in many relevant accents was already produced, so that those who say sh and s, if thats what their accent dictates finds it easy to read! Finally, Uthman got rid of all but "One", but no getting rid of any verse, but just recitation style! I am hoping it is becoming clearer by the minute?

Oh, please list the Surah that Ubai had that Uthman omitted, since Abu Bakr copy was in the custody of Hafsa (RA), and after Abu Bakr, came Umar Khattab and it was them Uthman, who used Abu Bakr and the whole the muslim community was part of it and no one objected? I am saying that you and the proponent of Ubai's omitted chapters are not sincere! Were the manuscripts not exactly what the muslims knew as the whole Quran when lions like Ali bin AbiTalib (RA) was there in the community and in full agreement, and he was not known for turning blind eyes to lies in the first place? And Muhammad used to recite with Jibril once each to each other every ramadhan, and in the last ramadhan the recitation were twice each, and throughout, every muslim knew bits and pieces, surah Fatihah, a must for every Salah and at least 1 full surah. Well, let me advise you to go and read a book titled "the introduction to the science of Quran," in English by jamal sarabozo. This will serve you well and inshaAllah will steer you in the right direction.

The 8th sura (al-Anfal) may have originally included the 9th sura (al-Tawbah). al-Tabari vol.11 p.94 footnote 525

You know why? At least two reasons; every surah began with Bismallah, but Tauba after Anfal does not, hence the opinion that it is part of the former, Anfal. But the truth is that every surah after the last one before it can be joined together in recitation, if you dont pronounce the last word as one will rponounce a word when you want to stop, but pronounce this last word as if you are pronouncing a word joining as in continuation to another verse. In this case there will not be the Bismallah between the two! Look Jcross22, Islam is beyond what you will ever undestand with a disbelieving heart. THe raelity is that everything can be proven in islam, and not the abstraction of 3 gods when one of them according to you is saying "of my own power, I can do nothing"!

when noetic15 finds himself cornered, the lashes out with a one liner venomous lie!

The Medical Doctors wear the Ninja thingy. No? Noetic, ma man, I didnt know. Now I see eveything clearly.

You know as i read the dialogues of the many sects of Kufr Christianity, I wonder if any of you believe the other will enter "heaven" since you dont deal in Paradise?

Very many roads lead to Christoan God, as long as they call themselves "Christians", regardless of what they thing Jesus is, in addition to him being a prophet, Messenger! Some believe he is son, other believe he is God, yet other believe like the Unitarians that he is just messenger prophet neither God nor Son!

Aburo O je jawo juro ni nu apon ti ko yoo, ko damila kaa noo!

So your suntana, noetic must be like that of kaaruna of Pharaohic Egypt, flowing, dragging collecting floor an ground dusts since you are not allowed to wear shoes, hard foot sole. No?

@Graxie: « #280 on: November 15, 2009, 10:23 AM »

@ Uplawal, you're a character indeed! You didnt leave 'church going' because of your 'bed breaking boyfriend', but u did some research after hearing from your 'bed breaking' boyfriend n dat led u 2 ISLAM. Arent u confuse? U hated ISLAM bt your 'bed breaking' Bf was a devoted Imam, yet u hated Islam? Confusion indeed. So as a former 'church goer', u were sleeping around, I see, no wonder d 'bed breaking'!!! WAKE UP.

Did you read her saying that "we never did any fornication"? You did but then true to dishonesty you ignored it.

@Whoisallah: Arent you ashamed enough to the point that if becomes a dishonor to your Imam father that you should not be telling us that your father produced a Kufr? Alhamdulillah, you have proven that Islam is not transferrable by family belief, but those whom Allah chose. By the way, there is no goodluck in Islam, but Good Fortune.

When I realise Christianity is not leading anyone to paradise I discussed it with my beautiful and honorable Mother Victoria "Maryam" Samuel. This was 2002 and 2006, she left Kufr. Maybe you discuss your three gods concept where on of them was in every respect a human messenger, prophet of the children of Israel, and tell us how quickly your Imam father join the Keferi line? We will be waiting to read your amazing story. Employ Jesus, or Ghost or Father gods. Am sure Allah Subhannah wa Taala will single handedly defeated them, except if their is Munafiq in the heart of the Imam. You know what Munafiq is? It is hypocracy, and hypocrites do have it in their hearts and Allah will bring it out. Are you the test for your Imam father? Be our guest!