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while nuclearboy is visiting ali zina and or daniel pipe, etc, he needs to read from answering-christianity.com. all the things you see on the anti islamic sites have been trashed by the answering-christian people. i once challenged ali zina on the 50,000 usd he said hw is willing to wager, that he puts it in an escrow in an attorney trust account, the coward renage. you thing those slimy mouthed people worth any response? hardly.

daniel pipe will cry anti semitic if anyone talks about judaism, as if jews are the only semites! is just like the brazilian yoruba people saying that they are the only yoruba people.

skyone got a big laugh out of me. stomachache, etc are what got you cranky? this dude has not patience at all; i hope you are gentle with the ward in your care? if i could rattle your cage, I wonder how you deal with the mrs and the young 6 years old who is at this point defining him/herself refusing even a peck on the cheek?

skyone yo koko ro o. omo fariya. omo faraya. You see why I said you should go play with the 6 years old child in the sand box? I know that you are flammable, and I just struck a match and you are hot on the collar, already. arifin ile yagbe ni omode yi nri mi fin yi. should I tell by son merely your younger to do the same with you?

lol. if you dont wanna be burnt in Hell, then quit worshippng Jinn (shaitan who is evilly direction your religious affairs to adopt him, human and tag your Creator as father when He surely does not need a child! What for?)! Get far away from Kufr, I wo kiriyo ara e! I dont know that your button could be pushed so slightly and you are climbing the walls?! Easyman like easy lizzy!

You better sleep tight and supplicate to your Creator to direct your religious affairs, and wake up a new man in Islam.

By the way I did not curse you. Read it again, just affirming that the end of a disbeliever is a tragic end, while you are still alive, its a good advise!

i have a birthday too, you know aloy~emeka! mine was july. those who died before jesus was born and or died according to you are doomed, no? since jesus had died according to you, no one has lived! Its been 2000 years and mounting men. the above together shows that your statement about jesus died so that anyone can live is a weak statement of your own personal desire without any strong foundation!

this 3 gods worshipper wants me to leave the Creator out of my life and adopt his idols! no chance, man, so you just have to have a headache, along with heartache, and also stomachache and all other aches you can muster! Run along and play in the sand box with the 6 years old son! Am not insulting you, but trying to honor you as a father at the same time cut you down to size: reason; your paganism!

@Mazaje: The truth is that the end of an atheist will be an evil end. You are an atheist. No? So prepare for horror unless you become Muslim and die on it!

Beginning and Ending without any interruption, knocks Jesus out of possibility of being God since the Christians say that he was dead sometimes in the past! And if we use the Muslims, he says Jesus will die before its all over!

While both agree that Jesus had a beginning and also ending at some time, though different, both agree that God does not have beginning because He started beginning as in creation, meaning He was already there before the beginning, and He does not have an ending, since after the end he will still be Who He alway is!

@Niyi53: You should be able to read enough and learn something from the two sites below. Jesus will only die once, and thats in the future, not here yet.

MSA - Understanding IslamJesus (peace be upon him) will return as a savior of the believers , An examination of the verses about Jesus in the Quran indicates that , That Jesus will come back to earth towards the end of time is related in another verse 43:61. , the last period of time before the Day of Judgment and this will be a sign ,
wings.buffalo.edu/sa/muslim/new_page_34.htm - Cached - Similar -

Jesus Will Return - by Harun YahyaThis may also be a sign that Prophet Jesus (pbuh) will die at a time close to Doomsday , In the end, the reality revealed by the Qur'an is this: "Before Jesus dies, , The verse says that Jesus will return toward the end of time or, ,
www.jesuswillreturn.com/s1_3.html - Cached - Similar -

@Nezan: Run along. This conversation is between those who say their Creator is their Lord Allah, an Unseen, not divisble and always Alive God.

@Niyi53: « #44 on: Today at 03:33:54 PM »

Olabowale.
Pls know that the holy quran did not mention that jesus was raised to heaven, it only says that 'Allah raised him to Himself'. Allah is not confined to a particular place that you would say that a person was raised to Him. The word 'rafa'ha' as used in different places in the holy Quran refers to spiritual exaltation when God is the subject. See chapter 94,ch 7:176,24:36,56:3. Etc.

Since Allah did not say he was killed (mait) on earth, then we know the issue of death has not occurred to Jesus, yet. We also know that Allah says Jesus is going to be returned. If therefore you need understanding of the two verses, you got to go into the tafsir and hadith on each! There is no place that the Prophet (AS), the sahaba (RA) and the two following generations said or slightly incinuated that Jesus died or migrated! Please stay within Quran, Ahadith, Tafsir and dont be among those who will taste jahannam.

The holy prophet has also used the word 'warfa'ni' meaning (and raise me) in his supplication in his prayer but he was not raised physicaly but spiritualy.

You now sound as if you do not accept Isra wa Miraj, both in the Quran?

Hazrat umar says Allah will 'rafa'ha' (raise) some people by means of this Quran and He will also abase some. Since all have been reading the quran there has been no raising. The funny thing about the translation is that when the word is used in regards to the Holy Prophet or other prophets, it is translated to mean spiritual uplift but if it is used in regards to jesus, they take it to mean a physical raising. So therefore read the holy quran and ponder over it and dont be misled. For more info visit www.alislam.org

I do not have a different opinion other than what Muhammad (AS) says, what his Creator says. Dont be confused my brother; Allah descended Adam and his mate from Jannah to earth (ardi) not because He debased Adam (AS), for Adam is a people of Paradise. But because Allah says to the Angels that he was going to create a viceroy of the earth, yet Adam was created in Heaven, then made to live in Paradise, until he was sent to the earth.

When Muhammad (AS) says that Isa bin Maryam was raised up to Allah, the ahadith says it was alive, body and soul! When Muhammad says his own night journey was body and soul, this is how Abu Bakr gained the Title "siddiq" (the truth believer), while others left islam, though Muhammad demostrated he was on the property called masjid Aqsa, and the returning caravan to Makka testified to his presence at night in the resting station he said he encountered them!

@Niyi53: There could have been a verse of the Quran saying anything against Jesus being raised up and or saying that he will be returned when he will die. Surah Nisaa says he is not dead not killed. I wonder what kind of Islam those "muslims' of the website you gave practice!

mazage, a muslim bani Israel is no more a jew (yahudi). so your "every" on earth is a fluke! equally to be noted is that the egyptian scholar could be wrong, since the Prophet (AS) left a completed and intact religion for us. I follow those who follow Muhammad. and if any goes a diffeent way, i dont follow him, but join up to the group that is following Muhammad (AS)!

i see so many village joke(rs) falling over one another! Tpia, show us from your bible do you get the Quranic "whose so Allah guides, ?" And david is so funny to imagine that 19;71 which says "none of you shall but pass, " means only muslims but not mankind, everyone of it? Where do you think that you a big time disbeliever, a trinitarian think you will go, but not Paradise (am ashamed to write Hell beside his name! the mercy in my heart is guiding me to be hopeful about his end)? david, death, you will never escape! I know you wanna have one over Jesus, if you think he died already (i say and know that he has not died, yet, but death shall, unfailingly come to him), by hoping for rapture. it will never happen! Never, you hear me?

most of you are so diluded (my hope is that some of you shall move away from kufr before you die, including you man in sutana, dragging in pride in the street, haughty, and arogance, while the edges collect filth. you remind me of karun of pharaoh and dont end up like him, please) that you remind me of an old 65 years old friend, a vietnam vet, who many years in east orange, New Jersey was complaining about his girl friend linda's mouthy complaining, so much so that he moved out of the house, away from her. at the same time, this guy Kenny, in his arrogance was telling me that he will take hell because he was able to handle the experience of Vietnam of at leat 2 tours! silly thinking since he couldnt handle linda's daily mouth "beatdown"!

just the other day, he developed some chest complications and he will be broken wide open for repair after thanksgiving. My prayer is that he finally gets it when he is before, during or after the operation; there is no escaping hell for disbelievers of Allah as One Whole Complete Lord without any partnership! And am grateful to Allah that I got my mom by Allah out of the silly racket of 3 gods persons/personalities!

@Nuclearboy: « #117 on: Today at 03:42:17 PM »

@Olabowale:
I came before you asking in the name of your Allah to be truthful. I pleaded for no insults in that same name! I adjured that you keep within the confines of the questions asked, also using the name of Allah as your guide. I asked also that you leave Yoruba out of this! Your response?

Do you now control me from responding to the pastor or any others because you are on a thread? I think to hold such a position is naive and grandstanding.

[1] 4 long paragraphs on the Yoruba including reference "also" to Ogbonis, Lamurudu and his 1st cousins who are arabs and look more like him than yorubas
[2] In response to not telling stories, he defended himself by saying his forefathers are story-tellers. For your information, Sir, they also rode horses and lived in Huts. Do you?

Are you for real? I said am a yoruba. I am a story teller. I never mentioned my forefathers, and if I did, please show me. I could ride horse because it is fashionable, and its still done all over the world, for show and transport in some not automobile friendly terrains. And huts could be chales (french word, hope am correct). But then if you went to some resorts, hut type structures are the rave.

[3] He has taken this into the realm of insult by positing that a person he does not know has no real essence of Christianity.And now my age has become an issue. Sorry, Allah will fight those who turned you into this raving xter

Let me ask you; when you guys are saying things about Islam, without any proofs, what do you expect me to say about your saying God is 1 on one hand and 3 of Trinity on the other hand! Now tell me if there is a possibility that 1 and 3 are the same? Its you my man who says you are over 40 and after 40, one should be very matured and speak the truth. Please keep your dua which means diddlie.

Three times, I asked you to respect your God! Three times, you insulted Him. If the fear of Allah cannot keep gutter language, violence and a need to win a lie from you, what can anyone do Me, I'll ignore that you're here till you make sense

Where did I insult my Creator? You think am a disbeliever like you, having no respect of God, saying ordinary Angel and ordinary messengers are His partners or Him? Please lay off the silliness. Whats gutter about my statement to Pastor? Where is the violence and the lie? Please let me hear words.

nuclear boy is so funny that I didn't know when I said "Subhannallah" aloud.

Abuzola, I like that you're trying to stay within our scope which shows a good mental capability and respect for my feelings. Thank you. You have written above that at the time of Muhammad, the Bible had "just a little bit of discrepancy". Ok. That means "Jesus" worshippers changed the rest later! Fine!

Abuzola says your Bible is not 100%, you said okay and remain blind to the fact that a single discrepancy nullies it as it coming in that less than 100% purity from God the perfect! You have no shame and shouldnt you be thinking about the impurity and know that anything impure cant come from Allah? Shish. You almost want me want to break into Yiddish strict Lingo.

[1] Why did Allah ask YOU to accept that little discrepancy you said there was?

What is acceptable is already in the Quran and not your less than perfect Bible, even at 99.999%. It is not acceptable.

[2] At least you'll agree He knew about it since it was in front of Him at the time or do you think He missed realizing it?

Above answer applies.

[3] God(?) asked you accept a little lie

Even though you are behaving like Dick Cheney who repeated lies enough that he believed it to be true, forcing others to accept it, we in Islam already stood against your opinion, Nuclearboy. Anything less 100% is not in Quran and is not accepted by Allah and no Muslim was forced to accept it!

[4] Why little?
[5] What was the unit of measurement that made that "little" manageable for Allah?
[6] Did He know that later, Nuclearboy, Daviddylan and the rest of "wicked christianity" would corrupt the Bible to the extent we have done now? A simple YES or NO would suffice me as answer here!!!
[7] If He didn't know my black Naija bottom would spoil the Bible, is He God?
[8] If He knew, why did He say you should follow those scriptures?
[9] Which also leads to if He knew, why are you not obeying Him?

Nuclearboy is thinking like 9jaganja! Lay off the product for a moment!

Questions 2, 3, 6 and 7 require only YES or NO as answers. You could explain the others according to your own understanding. Chairman Olabowale and other Honorable Muslims, people (wicked xtians as you call them) here have said you guys use distraction, threats etc to derail issues. I adjure you in the name of the God you believe in, Allah, to not distract us here. Do not respect Nuclearboy but please remember I beg you in the name of Allah to please honestly answer these questions in as simple a way as possible. Your fear, love and respect for Him should easily keep you in check.

We hear you. We already know whats right. There is no place where Bible is mentioned in the Quran, so your scriptures to Muslim does not contain the Bible, but only authentic Torah, Sabur, Suhuf Ibrahim (AS) and Injil are in there and not your lies of Bible, Gospels with Acts, Epistles, etc!

None of us here speaks "EEQSZXWMI" so please don't answer in that language. And please, using Allah's name again, I plead for your mercy - NO insults. Lets be mature here

Thats Nuclear language. Maybe Kukuye language.

[Quote] 2]. Again, 5:48 in your book says Mohammad confirmed "THE SCRIPTURES" that came before! When you now say those Scriptures are wrong and have been changed, are you saying Allah did not know the future that the reference He asked you to follow and that HE CONFIRMED and then again said MUHAMMAD CONFIRMED would be wrong? If He did know the future, why did He ask you to make THOSE SAME "WRONG" SCRIPTURES your instruction guide when in doubt? Its one or the other - He knew the scriptures were right and you are wrong. Or Allah didn't know the future and YOU are right! Which one is wrong? Allah or you?[/quote]The Scriptures are Torah, Sabur, Suhufi Ibrahima wa Musa, Injil! Where is the Bible in all of these? The confirmation of the scriptures, if you care to learn is in the Quran, and it does not include the lies of Trinity, instead Trinity which your Bible has no gut to include in its own pages is disproved by many verses, and mentioned by name. There is no acceptance of humans being children of God! There are many more fake statements in the Bible that were not in the Original Scriptures and not see the light of day in the Quran!

I leave Nuclearboy in his disbelieving ignorance with this statement; There was a time that the Torah did not exist. Then there was a time that the Torah was freshly revealed to Moses. At that time when it was fresh out of the Press, it was 100% pure, since Moses was there to recite it to him people. This is the Time that the Scripture in time that Muhammad was told to confirm as authentic! And not when the scribes developed their own ideas after Moses was already long gone. Use the same methodology to argue against the today's Gospel since we have Acts of Apostles, all kinds of Epistles, and others (lol) all of them now make NT! The bible was not revealed anyway!

@Nuclearboy:

1]. 5.46 says Jesus confirmed the truth and brought a true confirmed "GOSPEL" (defined as good news). That truth as expressed by the Bible is that "He is the truth, the way and the life". Why do you disagree with what your own Book says you should agree with? Does this make sense? Do you truly believe in the Quran? Then accept what it says!

Is Gospel not different from the Bible? Yes because The Gospel is what Jesus (authentic words from him if you can collect it), and Bible contains OT, NT. Some of your reasoning is not meritous to the over 40 that you claimed.

2]. Again, 5:48 in your book says Mohammad confirmed "THE SCRIPTURES" that came before! When you now say those Scriptures are wrong and have been changed, are you saying Allah did not know the future that the reference He asked you to follow and that HE CONFIRMED and then again said MUHAMMAD CONFIRMED would be wrong? If He did know the future, why did He ask you to make THOSE SAME "WRONG" SCRIPTURES your instruction guide when in doubt? Its one or the other - He knew the scriptures were right and you are wrong. Or Allah didn't know the future and YOU are right! Which one is wrong? Allah or you?The Scriptures are Torah, Sabur, Suhufi Ibrahima wa Musa, Injil! Where is the Bible in all of these? The confirmation of the scriptures, if you care to learn is in the Quran, and it does not include the lies of Trinity, instead Trinity which your Bible has no gut to include in its own pages is disproved by many verses, and mentioned by name. There is no acceptance of humans being children of God! There are many more fake statements in the Bible that were not in the Original Scriptures and not see the light of day in the Quran! I leave Nuclearboy in his disbelieving ignorance with this statement; There was a time that the Torah did not exist. Then there was a time that the Torah was freshly revealed to Moses. At that time when it was fresh out of the Press, it was 100% pure, since Moses was there to recite it to him people. This is the Time that the Scripture in time that Muhammad was told to confirm as authentic! And not when the scribes developed their own ideas after Moses was already long gone. Use the same methodology to argue against the today's Gospel since we have Acts of Apostles, all kinds of Epistles, and others (lol) all of them now make NT! The bible was not revealed anyway!

@9jaganja: I am sure that you dont know the history of the Yorubas! You probably believe Lamurudu coming down on a chain from heaven to the earth he created! But reality is different from all the fantasies you believe in! I have met many arabs who fit the looks of my older brothers! But of course am an Ijebu Ode man, so my yoruba history may be different from yours! I however advise that you do your own research if you can lay off long enough.



@Nuclearboy and PastorAIO: « #112 on: Today at 11:28:51 AM »

Quote from: nuclearboy on Today at 07:31:10 AM
And this thread is not about Ibadan and the Yoruba!

Correct! But you guys must realise the truth. No? I used the classification of Ibadan (eba odan), as an example, in the traditional Yoruba culture of city, town and village classification, on one hand, though a city by all measures of what the western civilization use in calibrating city on the other. Pastor should know that if he needs to lecture anyone about the history of Yorubas, what he can lecture me in are Ogbonis, which I dont wanna know about though I have intimate knowledge of their stupidity having had Chief Michael Adekunle Ajasin as my Headmaster in my days (go research it out, Pastor, my high school boys hostel was next to their Lodge House), Ifa and all the animist and disbelieving traditions, since I am a believer!

No-one has answered my question and Olabowale has travelled around the world like 8 times in his long winded stories that have nothing to do with what I asked which was "Why did Allah say "follow the scriptures that came before".

Yorubas are story tellers! I am an authentic Yoruba man. While you guys call yourself Ganga, Nuclear, Pastor, I am Olabowale! We now know who is the fake Yorubas; Oruko ma nro ni!

To answer again, Nuclearboy (he reminds me of the balloonboy of Colorado since am long winded), Allah says believe in what came before Muhammad (AS) which means believe in those authentic words and verses showing God as One Supreme and the previous receivers (Jesus, Moses, etc, all Messengers and or prophets (AS)) as creations! Rejecting the untrue of Trinity a silly idea that God the Almighty have to degrade Himself to save mankind, when He can simply say "I forgive you," and is there a need to kill Himself through the hands of ragtag bandits of Jews before he show us Mercy, Power, Forgiveness, etc? Men, you may do better if you change your names to authentic Nigerian names, instead of Ganja, Pastor, Nuclear!

And there were times (Torah during Musa (AS), Sabur during Daud (AS), Injil during Isa (AS)) that the individual Books were correct, authentic and uncorrupted. Musa would have killed them or asked for their destructions, if they had dared to corrupt his Book in his lifetime. No? Pastor, tell me who got punished and how he or they were punished for the goldencalf? Remember you are pastor, so I expect a good effort from you, unless if you are not a true Christian. I will excuse Nuclearboy and 9jaganja for their improvisations having no real essence of Christianity, considering one says he is "ganja". None of you can say that the Injil remain as Jesus revealed it. Pastor, can you in straight face say so, and let me use Catholic's Douwy to attack your assertion comparing it to the Protestant's KJV , or NKJV, and many many others!

So right, this thread is not about Ibadan or yoruba so so as not to encourage this red herring that he wants to use to escape I will not respond to any of the nonsense he's written about yoruba and arabs, or Ibadan.
Please Alhaji Olabowale could you address the questions that nuclear boy has been asking.

I hear you Pastor! If you know enough about Yorubas, your opinion will not be what it is. I know what am talking about. You know about Ifa, Opele, etc because these are your interests. Islam will not allow me to learn about them, so what I know about my culture is what am saying! What is nonsense to you is true history of the Yorubas. Ibadan people know that she is the seat of Yoruba Politics, yet still a village. And I know that the Yorubas came from the Middle east, reason for many of the idolatry! The present Oba of Lagos was asked about he being a muslim yet participated in Ifa during his choice and coronation by African Abroad weekly periodical in New York. This was many years ago with a reply from the Oba that "the Makkan arab disbelievers use Ifa Oracle, too to locate where the Prophet (AS) was hiding during Hijr, except Allah the Almighty protected His Prophet (AS) from their evils!" I was disappointed at the Oba, for a muslim will choose a way of disbeliever throws the person out of belief! Go do some research, pastor since you are "almost" (lol) ifa priest!

I also just want to add that by the time that Mohammed (wrote/received/whatever) the quran the bible had already been canonized and the actually books within the bible hadn't changed much since then till the present day. So if the bible of Mohammed's time was acceptable then the same bible must be acceptable today.Pastor and Nuclearboy:

Canonization that is different from what the receivers (Musa, Isa (AS)) received and what the preachers (Jesus, Moses) preached to their audiences. You disqualified your own argument about the Bible by saying "the bible hadn't changed much, day". The pastor does not know what he is saying any longer. Quran is not Ifa and or the Bible! The Quran says in the time of the Prophet (Check the pages of the Quran) as it was revealed on him that the Books were already corrupted, and the Bible was not even dignified with a mention, because no God revealed the Bible. Pastor, I hate to respond to you this way because I am still trying to know if you are from Owo, the home of my mother's bloodlines; the olowo and the Ojomo.

@PastorAIO: If you wish to know about the story of the Yorubas relating to Arabs, I will point you to the right direction after you tackle Ibadan issue.

Ibadan, Soutin and the Puzzle of Bower’s Tower 1
(for Taiwo ‘Tarifomah’ Fatoki, in memoriam)
Akin Adesokan

www.africancitiesreader.org.za/reader/chapters/07_AA.pdf -

@PastorAIO: I think you should research what Ibadan is, ala Yoruba traditional township, vis a vis the Oba and the village's Bale cultural Title!

This republican ethic is elastic, and its elasticity is a source of great indignation among many
indigenes who count themselves as meriting special consideration on the basis of birth, as the
scholar Ruth Watson found out while researching her book, Civil Disorder is the Disease of
Ibadan. Yet this is what distinguishes Ibadan from any other Nigerian city – its corporate image as
a traditional city-village with unimpeachable cosmopolitan credentials. The Yoruba compound,
according to the architect David Aradeon, is a spatial distillation of the practice of tolerance, and
Ibadan offers a fascinating example of this hypothesis.

@9jaganja: « #102 on: Today at 01:19:17 AM »

Mohamed suggested fever is coming from the heat of hell and also said the sun goes to ask for permission from Allah which means the sun moves. Mohamed also said according to Bukhari that the earth is held together by heavy mountains. CRAP CRAPPY CRAP.

this man just woke from the effect. We have discussed the above many times already.

Pastor forgot that Baale is always a ruler of a Village! Ibadan in a poem written in English about her was referred as a Village. And no Ibadan indigenes corrected the Poet!

The Yorubas have their history tied to Arabs, the Middle East and for PastorAIO to deny or rather say if am an Arab, is almost and very similar to ask an Ashkeneze (My spelling my be wrong) Jew if he is Israelite or rather the Falashia of Ethiopia are children of Israel!

For Pastor and Nuclearboy, the Earth is shaped like an egg. Then lets pick up Ostrich egg because this seems to be your problems! It is obvious from the history of the makkans that they have been trading with Ethiopians long before Muhammad (AS). We do know that they do not always have to travel through the water of Gulf of Eden, but land. Moses travelled between Egypt and the greater middle east on Land. Before him, Jacob and his family. before that Joseph as a slave. Before that Ibrahim (AS). And before Muhammad Jesus and his mother and step fathr!

With these above, one will have to be naive that the Arabs are not away of ostrich and her egg, or egg in the general sense! If Ostrich egg was therefore mentioned and picked to illustarte what the earth is shaped like, is this not a fact now, and a miracle then when Muhammad (AS) said it? The issue of carpet is a completely different thing.

Carpet covers the surface. Thats what carpet is and whoever has one can see that when you roll it it moves away as it is spread! I dont understand you people! A person who wants to make a point should be able to cover the bases!

When Allah says that the Muslims should believe in what was revealed before Quran, it was meant to mean believe in the authentic Book that was available when Moses was alive, and or what was with Jesus before he was lifted up. What happened with their Books after these noble men were no longer within their community, Allah knows and the noble men are not responsible! Allah says I will be Guardian/Protector of the Quran, but He did not say the same about the previous Books. The essence of these Books are all in the Quran! If there was no Taurah and Musa (AS) would have been Isa bin Maryam and Injil? The Only One Who Knows is their Creator, Allah! But we now know that the sequence of event ended up with Muhammad (AS) and Quran.

Focused123: Arent you a child of parents? When you abuse or curse the parents of your opponent and there is no immediate retaliations, should you not find any decency and refrain from the type of gutter utterances? God Almighty, Focused123, please learn from the examples of the other discussants!

at least he knows 1 means 1 and 3 can never be 1!

@Papa giddy: « #29 on: Today at 05:31:44 PM »

@ olabowale
leave bakare alone, u just accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour and u shall be saved!!
com@ olabowale
leave bakare alone, u just accept Jesus Christ as your personal Lord and Saviour and u shall be savee to God, believe the gospel!!!! Islam leads to hell OK? u ask Mohammad!

I asked the prophet (AS), and he said to me (abiding with me for ever; a sign of his comfortership) by his Lord through the Al Quran and his personal saying and actions in Hadith and Sunnah, that Papa diddy is not a speaker of truth. The prophet pointed me to many verses; Surah Kahf, Surah Fajr are two examples where only Muslims are the ones who will enter Paradise. Surah Kahf indicates that Trinitarians like you will enter Hell. Surah Maryam says that you will enter Hell, too. You want more verses? I will supply it as you wish just to harden your heart like how Pharaoh heart was hardened and he met his doom!

Finally, why do I want to become a Keferi when I am almost a mumin? You and Bakare and others who insult Muhammad (AS) can enter Hell because Paradise is forbidden to you!


@davidylan, Noetic (m): « #30 on: Today at 08:03:53 PM »

1 Samuel 16:6 ¶And it came to pass, when they were come,
that he looked on Eliab, and said, Surely the LORD'S anointed
is before him.

7 But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.

Old Testament, boys? Men, quit all that jamgba jantis! You guys when convenient turns to OT because the answer is not in NT! By the way whats in NT except Trinity, more Trinity and more Trinity! Gham? Whats Gham in OT that you rejected, made to a footnote of just a single liner verse? I know you dont have comparable verse in NT for anything except borrowing from OT, as usual!

i believe whats in the Quran. qhat happened in india is not in the Quran since the answer is that Jesus was lifted by his Creator, therefore only disbelievers will disbelieve this, without him dying on earth.

all the half baked, former muslims are now christian top tiers! and they left islam because of quick and cheap means of everything! money from tithe, salvation from innocent Jesus because they hate to take full personal responsibilities! when they leave Islam they should drop the names, adopt even their father's name shoul be non islamic.

if my yoruba name were to have had an unislamic ring to it, say ogun, okun, etc i would have dropped them and adopted something compartable to islam!

Take a read of your post and be very sincere to yourself you will find out that it's a very big shame to your life especially a man of your age to muddle up the facts glearing in the air. Your inability to grasp the real truth has affected your wellbeing to seek and accept the real fact. You @Skyone'

thought i'm a novice to the guerilla war that oocured in south east Asia of cambodia, sorry you are very wrong on that one.

Nonsense! How do you say am thinking like your 6 years old and the same time you are classifying me as a shameless? Is either am like 6 years old, or am a grown man. You need to make up your mind, man, if you have one (lol). And if you are really aware of the gorrilla war tactics, you will know that suicide bombing or committing suicide or starting a fight, or a war was not started by the muslims, and frowned upon and never will be accepted as the hallmark of the muslim. The Jews committed bombing of King David's Hotel in Jerusalem to force the English Government out. The Japanese culture permits suicide called Arakiri (I hope thats te correct spelling since am not a suicide proponent). We have already established that the gorrilla of south east asia started suicide bombing. None of these people are muslims. And am sure there are scores of Christians dying and have died and will die in the hand of the Christians! You are correct in two situations, I wish that the muslims indeed mankind will stop unacceptable tactics to achieve their collective goals, or taking advantage of the weaknesses of their emotion and what they have over others to make a point.

Allah says in the Quran that we should not let our hatred of the attitude of others to make us unjustice to them, when we should at all times be just and try to elevate our actions to be merciful!

I will ignore other rubbish of yours posted but the truth about islam erodes on the main media groups, CNN,CBS,ALJAZEERA,SKYNEWS, BBC, AIT ETC it is now openly known that the whole idea of islam is to hate, particularly the Jews and the Christians but unfornately today the evil course/agenda they started it's now hiiting back on you lots. Today what we hear and read even on the islamic channels are the muslims killing themselves in numbers, what an abhorrence of the first order.

He says Skynews! Skyone is a riot, claiming that Islam hates Jews, Christian regardless of their disbeliefs, and am assuming he is saying that the other disbelievers, like Hindu, Sihk, etc are loved by Muslims? But it is the love that islam shown on Jews that many Jews in tight spots in the hands of Christians who are intending to avenge the death of Jesus, that the Jews say read the Quran, we the Jews couldnt have killed Jesus, considering that Muhammad (AS) a prophet after him is told this! Except that you a Christian wanted jesus to remain dead, you could use the same argument, too especially when the Jesus bashers are saying that he died so sickenly, hung by less than a population of a city, while you are claiming that he came to save the whole world. Islam elevated Jesus and in any case no Jew or Christian was killed, or even hated for his belief except when he rises up in arm against Islam, then kill or be killed is the natural order of the day, and as in hatred, the muslim reacts to the conniness and dispeakable and evil actions as dishonorable positions that the enemy takes, not willing to be honorable after agreements, so do you expect Islam to not react against injustice? You are a good example; I have read your rants, insulting me (lol), and you think that there will be a time that I will not be able to raise my voice and at least remind you that the world does not belong to you and if you do not disrespect your 6 years old boy, how dare you disrespect a man old enough to br his grandfather? Think Skyone!

I know that being a militant yourself one day if life permits you, you will join the league of suicide bombers. Olabowale seek the real truth, be save thorugh the Lord Jesus Christ and have rest and peace in your life.

I will ignore your rubbish above! Listen, if somebody threaten the lives of my beloved and am able to stop him, I will! Unlike you who will allow somebody to abuse your loved ones and while you turned cowardice in front of them/him, then after they spared your life, you may want to tell the wife that you are still the man. Look, if the nigerians have organized themselves in neigborhood blocks and take the fights against the armed robbers, and the bad guys in their communities, the nation as a whole, Nigeria would not be a society of Sisis, everyone especially afraid to even get scratched, while the burglars enter their homes and rape their wives and disvirgned the young women, spreading mayhem, etc!

sheikh Bin Bazz has answered it all: While Id Salah is obligatory, the daily five salawat are no less obligatory since they are the first sign of obedience that people see you observe. A prayer person must perform them even in very difficult condition.

When the Id is Friday, what you have is 2 Ids, since Friday is a minor Id, keeping the community together on a regular basis. The attendee of the Id Salah has listened to a Qutbah, the second Qutbah of the same day is optional, but not frowned upon or rejected. But in all, the Friday midday prayer maybe turned to Zuhr Jamaah, or individual Zuhr, if not attending Jumuah salah prayer, based on the earlier in the day Id prayer attendance.

In all, what you see is the sign of ease of Islam; it is never supposed to be made difficult on the body or soul, while one is never neglectful of the consistent obligation to Allah the Merciful, the Irresistable!

Lightwalk, it is the christians who are intending, once again to revise the many times revised already edition of the Bible.

@lightwalk: where is your sarcasm in your declaration of 'truth' that you can see the insidw of a heart? maybe whatever you say there is sarcasm in it; like when you say that jesus is not cursed, or when you say that jesus in God, or when you say that jesus is son of God, or when you say that jesus is fully human and fully God, or when you say that jesus is savior, or when you say that jesus died for three days, or when you say that the wole of old testament is abrogated by a single verse of the new testament's thou shall love thee God with all your heart and your neighbor as yourself, etc?



@Nezan; « #3 on: November 20, 2009, 02:00 PM »  

@OP;
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The plan of the jews is  to kill jesus christ because they think he is a false prophet. According to their law, a person who dies on the cross is an accursed of God(deut 21:23), and Jesus is not. If therefore the christian accept that jesus died on the cross, then the jews would be right for denying him, if they are not,then the christians should give an explanation for this.

The funny thing about your post is that Christians have never denied the death of Jesus on the cross. The other funny thing is the scripture you quoted that any body who dies on a cross is accursed is also from the Christian Bible, and we never deny that, the reason been that the death of Jesus on the cross  is the most amazing thing ever that God would do for us, especially since Jesus never committed any sin,  so He BECAME a curse on our behalf:

Galatians 3:13
"Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, "Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree" Deut. 21:22-23*)"

note that this verse is a letter at best from others, giving their own wishful thinking about Jesus. What did jesus say about himself having an accursed soul, yet still God and God Son and SAvior, etc? Anybody want in on this because i know nezan will not be able to come up with anything.

*Deuteronomy 21:22-23
"If a man has committed a sin deserving of death, and he is put to death, and you hang him on a tree, his body shall not remain overnight on the tree, but you shall surely bury him that day, so that you do not defile the land which the Lord your God is giving you as an inheritance; for he who is hanged is accursed of God."

And this is God and or a savior who is accursed, and cant wash himself clean from such evil thing, remained curse? And you depend on somebody like that for your spiritual success?  

« #4 on: November 20, 2009, 02:17 PM »  
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Isaiah 52:13-53:12 “See my servant will act wisely; he will be raised and lifted up and highly exalted. Just as there were many who were appalled at him - his appearance was disfigured beyond that of any man and his form marred beyond human likeness - so will he sprinkle many nations, and kings will shut their mouths because of him. For what they were not told, they will see, and what they have not heard, they will understand.

there is no proof that this is referring to jesus since there is no name mentioned and wasnt another prophet raised or lifted? moses among the children of israel was highly exalted, way more than jesus would ever will in the history of the children of israel!

Who has believed our message and to whom has the arm of the LORD been revealed? He grew up before him like a tender shoot, and like a root out of dry ground. He had no beauty or majesty to attract us to him, nothing in his appearance that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows, and familiar with suffering. Like one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he took up our infirmities and carried our sorrows, yet we considered him stricken by God, smitten by him, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was upon him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to his own way, and the LORD has laid on him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and afflicted, yet he did not open his mouth; he was led like a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth.  By oppression and judgment he was taken away. And who can speak of his descendants? For he was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgression of my people he was stricken. He was assigned a grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death, though he had done no violence, nor was any deceit in his mouth. Yet it was the LORD’S will to crush him and cause him to suffer, and though the LORD makes his life a guilt offering, he will see his offspring and prolong his days, and the will of the LORD will prosper in his hand. After the suffering of his soul, he will see the light of life and be satisfied; by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many, and he will bear their iniquities. Therefore I will give him a portion among the great, and he will divide the spoils with the strong, because he poured out his life unto death, and was numbered with the transgressors. For he bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.”

cursed soul is a rejected and condemned soul. this does not mean that soul is cursed for you or your soul! this is your archilles heel. prove it!

so it makes two ways and counting to be accursed; the jew believes that hung person has accursed soul. light walk believes confused person has accursed soul. note therefore to struggle against confusion. but what about already hung? finally are you not tellingno truth when you said you already see the unseen, inside of the heart of aa person you are dialoguing with only on the internet?

Ohsisi needs to be wearing hijab under her scrub!