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@Orikinla: As per your statement that Muhammad (AS) was ever an Idol Worshipper, is wrong. Please raed about his story from the time that his parent got married and up to the time of first revelation. You will find that your statement is wrong. Muhammad and all Muslims are hanifans. I am a hanifan, for example. Muslim male and female rae named Hanif or Hanifa! You should go and read up on the defination of hanif. In Suratul An am, Ibrahiim states he is a hanifan by calling himself the defination of hanifan; My prayer and my deeds, my life and death are all for The lord of the Worlds. I declare that I am the first to submit my will totally and completely, to God in Islam. hanif is simply the iconoclasic quality of total belief, which negates any and all type(S) of disbelief. Khadijatul Kubra (RA), was the first to believe in the Islam of Muhammad. She say the truth, she took it boldly, even at the peril of status and wealth! Waraqa, her cousin, also knew that Muhammad was given the office of prophethood, this is why he said if he were to remain alive, when the condition becomes very defined, probably look at the other signs of messengership (May God forgive me if I say something out of order in this statement). Messengers and prophets are persecuted, always, waraqa, died not seeing all that muhammad (AS), went through to established Islam! Did Muhammad became wealth and the king of Arabia by this? No. Muhammad died as a very poor man, not being able to acquire wealth or eat properly, always, yet he never stopped doing the work the was commissioned to do!

If Muhammad plagirised the Bible, why are the stories that the books have in common so different, whereby the Qur'anic versions are very detailed and overwelming?

For example, my Hindu associates have told me that they have cross and trinity in their religion. My question to you is this, did christianity copied it, directly from the book of the Hindu, since Hinduism has been around much longer than Judaism? Just because someone is a pagan, Islam does not discard the person, but you may discard his ways that makes him an unbeliever.

@Orikinla: You have claimed that Muhammad (AS) plagirised other world religions books, in writing the Qur'an! Have you not read in the Qur'an wher Allah, categorically retuted any and all of those assertions? How then is it possible that Muhammad (AS), will boldly and uncompromisingly say that the Old and New testaments are already corrupted, it it was true that he borrowed from these books? Did you not read in the Qur'an, since you have laid claim to it that you have studied it extensively, where God, Allah the Almighty states that if this were from man you would have seen much discrepancies in it? I am going to recommend a book to you, if you wish to know about the method of the revelation and the collection of it. This is only an introduction. The totality of knowledge belongs to The Only One GOD! This book is called Introduction to the Science of Qur'an, translated into English by Jamal Zarabozo. It is published in Colorado, USA.

I wonder how the former scholars of Judaism, in Makka converted to Islam, if Islam and Muhammad were know from their former religious books? Abdullah ibn Abdulsalaam and those among the Jewish blood who became muslims were not forced to become Muslims! Infact, at the time of their convertion, Muhammad and his small band of believers were not in the majority in Madina. The former jews did not claim that they helped Muhammad in 'the revelation'of the Qur'an at anytime! Just because that Islam is different from Jewish religion and Christianity and others, does not mean that there is no truth in any of their books. It just simply means that for the books of the Jews and Christianity, you have corruptions imbedded, either by texturally, changing the word from its original text, removing or adding portions or other ways. Inshort, it change its exact original text, as it was revealed to the Prophets, Musa, Daud and Isa (AS)! General meaning does not cut it. Who among mankind that has the authority to change God's exact instruction to us, if the individual truly believes in Him?

Did you read the story of Abdullah bin Abdalsalaam convertion to Islam? You need to read it. You also must know that a person can claim to believe, only from the lips. The heart may say differently. This is why you may have someone, claim to be something, but the actions emmanated point completely opposite! AlNagashi of Ethiopia/Abbyssinia, became Muslim. All that was read to him was the truth about Jesus (AS) and his Mother Mariam. He salatul ghaib was said to him by prophet Muhammad (AS) and his Makkan companions (RA), while they were still in makka, upon Alnagashi's death! How did Muhammad know, about the death of Alnagashi, right away, considering the physical distance between them?

I have to remind you here, which is what I should have done in my last entry, about the Night Journey of muhammad (AS) from Makka to Jerusalem. And from Jerusalem to the Heavens and beyound! His return was in the same patter as above. All of these in one Night! You will read about it in Suralul Israa and Suratul najm. In essence, Jibril came to him and took him to Ka'aba, where his breast/chest was cut open and his heart was taken out and washed with Zam zam water and filled up with Iman! This was the second time that his chest was cut open. At first, it was with the Bedouin family who took him to raise him in the oral culture. You should read his history/Seerah up to his youth with the journey to syria for good knowledge about this man. Jibrilgave him aBuraq to mount and they arrived in jerusalem, almost immediately. When they dismounted, inthe assembly of the noble soul that he entered were the prophets and Messengers before him! All of the without any exception; From Adam, the father of mankind (AS), to Nuh (AS), through him the world was ended with flood, except a few believers with him, to Ibrahiim (AS), the father of all prophetsthat came after him, to Musa (AS), who Allah spoke to, hearing God's words directly, but alway behind a veil and Isa ibn Mariam (AS)! There was a prayer made ther at the Masjid Aqsa complex, at this occassion. All the prophets and messengers and Jibril the Angel of God (SWA) prayed behind Muhammad (AS). Salah was already compulsory on Muhammad immediately, upon the first revelation, even though, the Muslims did not begin to pray, obligatorily until they arrived in madina. From this place, in Jerusalem, Muhammad and Jibril assended to heavens. It was at this event that God gave Muhammad the five salah! the story is very long,you can research it thoroughly for your own Soul, so that you will be benefitted with guidance.

As Muhammad reurned to the earth and set out on the return to Makka, he encountered some caravan returning to Makka from their trading. Of cource, the could not see him because of their condition. One of their camels laden with the materials purchased in the trading expedition saw him as be travel in the space and the animal got loose and ran into the wilderness. Muhammad drank from their water skin and they heard his voice about the position of the scared animal! As he arrived in Makka and told about this Night Journey, some Muslims left Islam, because they could not believe it! However, Abu bakr was told this event by the people who were intending to ridicule him by it. Even without seeing Muhammad and hearing it directly from him, Abu bakr said that if Muhammad said it, I Abu bakr believe it! The reason was that there were even bigger events happening to Muhammad (AS), in the form of the revelations, , all the time, bein alone or in company of others! None of the Companions had claimed that during any of the Qur'anic revelations which they witness, they had seen the Angel who is given him the revelation from Allah!

However,they know the signs of it. In one occassion, he was resting his head on the thigh of one of his companions. However, when the revelation began, the companion said that the head begame very heavy that he felt that his thigh bone was going to be crushed! This was such the phenomenon of Revelation, something that neither you nor me, nor any one after Jesus (AS) experienced, until Muhammad's. And none will ever experienced it among mankind.

@Orikinla: I will start to answer your assertions by saying this; Is it you that know best or is Allah, your Creator and mine's?

Your last topic about the Prophet (AS), saying that he say Jibril only two times in its TRUE ANGELIC form is true. However, Muhammad saw Jibril in many forms, including in the form of complete stranger, that bore no slight resemblance with any of his companions(RA)! One of that such visits was witnessed by a good number of the companions, which included, Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali bin AbiTalib (RA). This was in the event known as hadith of Jibril; He came to teach you your religion.
Another time, was after he had been stoned and was bleeding all over his noble body. This was the cruelty of such disbelieving people at that time and the inhabitant of Taif epitomized it, very well. Jibril and the Angel of the mountain came to him, with clear instruction from their Lord to obey Muhammad's command and assist him in all his needs. The Angel of the mountain wanted to destroy the inhabitant of taif. Muhammad in his kindness said no. Today taif is totally Islamic. The Angels, both Jibril and The Angel of Mountain did not look like any of the companions!
When he was on his dying bed was another. Jibril and the Angel of death came to him. Jibril had kept the Angel of death waiting outside, while he entered the chamber of the noble soul (AS), to tell him about his accompanying visitor. He also told Muhammad (AS), that the Lord of all Creations, has given the option to remain on earth, till end f time, if he chosed that over death. Muhammad, wanted death right away. The reasons are many from the Qur'an and his statement; From the Qur'an, Allah says that every soul shall taste death. From Muhammad statement when Jibril and Angel of death came to him, he was reported saying 'to Best Friend, to Best Friend'. In a statement that he said in the past that support this 'Best Friend' statement alluding to God, the Almighty as his best friend is that he had told Abu bakr in a gathering, that if Allah has not taken him as a bossom buddy, 'Best Friend', the same that Ibrahiim (AS) is to Allah at Ibrahiim's time, he Muhammad (AS), would have taken Abu bakr (RA) as best friend!

Muhammad (AS), having been known among the makkans as truthful and trustworthy man, even when they became his enemies, their view as above did not change, there was no reason for him to lie! Your assertion therefore, that why did he not say that those times that Jibril(AS) appeared to him looking like some member of his companions, that the companions were Jibril do not make any sense! Is it not true that you may not be the only person from your family or in this whole wide world who has your look? There are some who probably could pass as you, but that does not mean that they are you. Muhammad (AS) knew the difference between Jibril, the Angel and his earthly companions (RA). Afterall, he say Jibril alone and in the companies of other Angels, indeed when he Muhammad (AS), was alone or in the companies of other, while he was still ayouth, before and during his proplethood. Finally, Muhammad used to recite to Jibril, what evr of the Qur'an that was already revealed in the month of Ramadan. the recitation was one time throughout the month, except in the last ramadan of muhammad on earth. This recitation was two times. By the way Jibril will recite just like the same amount and way that Muhammad recited to him.

@Orikinla: I went to your recommended website. Thank you. I know about Muha wiya, already! If he is who you based your knowledge of Islam on, then, I can see why you will even believe that the Qur'an is based on the Bible. One will as, if this is having any possibility of being any truth to it, which Bible version are we talking about here? Neither you nor any christian, including my baby, Babyosisi, can give me an answer! (I am trying to draw Babyosisi and any civilized person into the discussion. I will not respond to any of those foul mouthed people!).

The pattern of revelation of the Qur'an, its duration of revelation, the immediate writing of it down and being learnt for the various usages, among the Muslim community is very different from the Bible! The stories of Ibrahiim, Ismail, Isiaq, Yaqub, Yusuf, Musa, Haruun, Zakariya, Yahya, Isa and the other prophets (AS) are very detailed inthe Qur'an and very different from that of the Bible!

I wonder, how Muhammad (AS), the 'Unlettered", can talk about Jesus (AS), if it has been that his source of information is the Bible/christendom, how can the Qur'an narration be so superior and very detailed, containing far more information?

This is just one example! In some cases, the Bible only vaguely mentioned a noble person, eg Ismail (AS), where the Qur'an gives you a great more. You should read suratul baqarah and see a clear difference of the calf in Qur'an and the Bible!
My Jewish blood Muslim brother Musa Cohn, memorized this chapter! He said that it speaks ro him, in the fact that it is about the condition of the children of Israel. How come Abdullah Abdulsalaam, a Jewish companion, Shuib al Rum, Salman Al Farsi, two noted former christian companions (RA), to just named a few were very satisfied with the religion, the book and leadership of Muhammad (AS)? How is that it is written inthe Qur'an that the Jews and the christian worship their leaders, and hearing this a new Muslim said to the prophet (AS0, in christianity, we do not worship our leader. The response of the prophet was very simple and very direct; Do not you follow your leader, who when they make what is commanded to be halal, haram and what is haram, hala? The reply was yes. The prophet then said to him that this is worship! I ask you now, do you follow the whole Book and Laws given to Musa (AS)? Did Jesus (AS), himself not follow the same pattern of Musa?

Did not Jesus say that his mission, in part, was to fulfil every essence of the book and laws of Musa! Why are you deviating, from the path of the truth?

@Orikinla; I have no more responses. You have proven my xase. Your Book is exactly waht you said it is, Fiction! I guess it is fast and easy way to make a buck. The Bernum of the Ringling brothers, Bernum and Bailey circus fame, used to say that a fool is born every hour! In this case of your book readers, aevery minute. My problem with your book is the slight of hand dimension you put in it. Using Islamic names connotes to the untrained minds in Islam that book is probably true, not fiction. Since you centralized your book around the family of the noble prophet (AS), this is my object to your book.

It should be the objection of every fair minded individuals, muslims and non muslims, alike. In Islam and every in every ethical viewpoint, a gain from something like this is tainted. The reward may be dire with God! In Brooklyn, where I pray, it is on Fulton Street and Bedford. On the Bedford side of the building, there are shops. The last shop as you are heading to Fulton street, the shopowner has his picture when he was in his late twenties. He had a very radient look, with long flowing hair and a full beard. He had a shawl around his shoulder, given an impression of a city dweller from the middle east. If you see this picture, yo will find a very close resemblance to how Jesus (AS) was described to the muslims. You will not find a great difference in the imageries that the christians had come to believe of Jesus and this picture of my friend.

In conclusion, he keeps the picture away from easy sight of his customers! The reason for this is that, he does not want to give anyone, especially the christians who patronize him, any connection at the glance of this picture and Jesus. He said to me, "if I allow something like this to happen in the heart or mind of anyone, God may punish me!" Orikinla, do you fear God?

@Orikinla: To be a Scholar in Islam, it is not just the Ph. D., alone. It comes with a lot of scholarship and tremendious life experience! Maybe you are talking to at best lightweight Islamic student. Plus the heart have to be pure, devoid of all kind of antiIslamic notion to understand Islam. If a person like you call Islam, antichrist, then I am not really surprised to see that you see thing standing on top of its head. But you forgot that in the Qur'an and in the Hadith, Jesus (AS) and his mother were praised, more that you will ever see in the Bible. You also did not pay attention to the many miracles in the Qur'an recorded for Jesus, which you do not have the same in the Bible!

How do you reconcile this position?

@Orikinla: You tend to forget, conveniently that the family of the former fiance of Aisha was the one who broke the engagement. The reason was that Abu Bakr and his family all became muslims. No one on this board, have reconcile with the condition that Aisha was born many years before her father became Muslim. Her father became muslim, in the first year of Islam. Prophet Muhammad (AS) did not comsumate the marriage with her till 2AH. Of course, this would be the 15th year of revelation. How then was Aisha 6 or 9!

Really, what I am contending with you on is that Aisha bint Abu Bakr, the wife of Muhammad, the prophet of God, never was the same as Aisha bint Talha. Since you listed bint Talha as being married with her husband when her husband complained about her not wanting to wear the veil!

You will need to proof to us that Abu Bakr is also Talha. You will need to convince us that Aisha bint talha, who you claimed to have been married, (not engaged and that the engagement was broken by the future husband), was also Aisha bint Abu Bakr, Ummuh Muminoon. The questions are many, but you need to give us, the nairalanders either Aisha bint Abu Bakr you are really writing about or some otherr Aisha. From all the broken up and disjointed entries, it is very obvious that The wife of Muhammad, who is also the daughter of Abu Bakr is not bint talha and was never married before she married the prophet (AS).

@Orikinla: Please review your entry of October 6, at the top on this page. In the entry, you had a quote in it. In the quote, you called Aisha bint Talha as the wife of one of the companions of the prophet (AS). Now. you are just telling me that Aisha bint Talha is the same as Aisha bint Abu Bakr, the wife of prophet Muhammad (AS).

What is the real situation? If one is to believe your entries on this subject, believing ythat your research is thorough, we will come to the following conclusions; That Aisha was married when sha and her husband came to the prophet, whereby she said that she had to be unveiled because she is praising God by it. Abu Bakr, the father of Aisha bint Abu Bakr, Saujati Muhammad (AS) is the daughter of Talha. That Talha is Abu Bakr. That sometimes in the future of Aisha, she divorced her husband, the companion of Muhammad (AS). Then she married the prophet (AS).

With all these ideas that your writing has raised, a fairly knowledgeable MUslim will wonder if Aisha was married before she married the prophet. It could not be because she was the only wife he married, who was a virgin! There is an adith about this. Also, she used it as a source of her conversation with Fatima bint Muhammad (AS)! People are either telling you fallacies, or you are telling us fallacies or both! Inshort, your story is a fantastic imagination.

Since you do not know the first thing about Islam, I am not really surpried. A willing student in Islam will refer to Qur'an and Sunnah about Islamic matters. You will not find where any of the wives of the prophet wanted to expose herself, without being rebuked by Alla. You will not find anywhere that will give you any inkling that Aisha bint Abu Bakr married any body else, before marrying Muhammad (AS) or after the death of Muhammad (AS).

@Babyosisi: I am straight forward. Islam is not built on phraseology. The Qur'an is heavy, so the Hadith is a means of its explanation. Yet, a single hadith has a collection of books, trying to explain it. It was reported that Ali, RA, was explaining Bismillahir. The B explanation took him from Ishai prayer to Subuhi pray of the following day, yet he did not finish its explanation!.

@Orikinla: I went to your website> I read as much as you put out from your "Unveiling book and Scarlet rose of London' books.
I wonder if the Muslims leadership in Nigeria realised that they are dealing with their enemy. At least that is how you come across, since you called Islam anti christ! Ubfortunately, you used vulgar language with your christian brother, who has a different view point with you on the Pope's statement.

I am not really concern about your thought of Islam. Unfortunately, the muslim rioters in Nigeria, in particular, since this is where you have problem have given you a carte blanche, to say whatever. Unfortunately, the true Islam is in the Qur'an and the Sunnah. before you can understand Islam, you need at least two essential ingredients; After accepting Islam, you need a pure heart and the will to acquire beneficial knowledge. Unfortunately, inthe ranks of the muslims, you have hypocrites, ordinary muslims and the true believers.

As to your references to saudi and Iran, as societies that do not allow others to practice their religions, you must know that neither society is a true Islamic society. However, I have met Iranian Jews and Christians who were government scholars during my my University days in America. You still have a good size of non muslims in many so called muslim societies in North Africa and the Middle east, etc. In Morrocco, you have Jews, who went back after the so called migration of the Jews to Israel. Under saddam Hussein, the Vice President of Iraq, was a christian. There are pleanty of Jews and Christians in Syrian, Jordan and others. In the ruling cabinet of Palestine, you have Christians.

Unfortunately, your hatred, is so overwelmingly strong that you can not see beyong that partition, before you can get to the truth. I wonder the other day, and it became very clear that you wrote in Igbo, when Babyosisi was trying to know from you why all the sexuality. Killing is evil, as long as it is done without justice. Whether it is done by a person, a community, a weak nation or a powerful one, on an individual, a group of people or on a nation. Evil is what it is.

I, as a praciticing muslim, hates and I have spoken about unjust killing in Nigeria on this board, in other places and I have spoken about the darfur Issues, etc. Unjust killing is all around us. It includes Muslims, Christians and Jews, as perpetrators and victims.

@Orikinla: Is Aisha Bint Abu Bakr (AS), the wife of Prophet Muhammad is the same as Aisha bint Talha? Please could you provide your proof that this two names ; Abu Bakr and Talha is the same person, because there is no record that the Noble prophet married two Aisahs.

I would not mind your sudden realisation of confusing the names. But please remember that in the Chapter named 'The confederates", in the Qur'an, Allah the Almighty gave commandment of covering of the women to His Messenger (AS). This commandment started with the wives of the prophets, then his daughters and lastly, the believing women in general.

Total covering, which I will call veilling for our purpose is commanded upon the wives of the prophet (AS), but it is a sunnah that the other groups of women can practice.

If you read the adith of Aisha bint Abu Bakr (RA), the mother of the believers, on the actions of the women in Madina, after this revelation came down, you will find that she said that they all cover up! Her expression was as total eclipse had fallen on madina!

You novel is just what you say it is; A fantastic and unimaginable 'FICTION". But you must speak the truth, when you intend to use the Qur'an or the Hadith to inform us of any subject matter.

@Babyosisi: No one has ever committed any offense, for the first time is ever caught and punished, under Sharia law! Also, no one who out of neccessity, commits the crime of theft is justly punished. In sharia, there is a process of 'Law and Order'. True sharia is not being practiced in any place on earth, today! It is not in the so called Sharia states of Nigeria, any other nation in the so called muslim countries. There is no Islamic country right now. The head of Islamic nation or community is the Khalifah. Most khalifahs, at least the first four; Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman and Ali (RA), were just rulers. They did not encroched on the right of those people under their authorities, be they, rich or poor, men or women, muslims or non muslims. All were treated with God consciousness in mind. This is true Sharia.

The lukewarm muslim rulers as cohorts, with the enemies of Islamic unity, are fighting against this inevitable , must happen office and convergence of Islamic people. The differences in the Islamic groups, because I know you will remind me of Shia and Sunni splinter groups, is very esoterical or cosmetic at best. All will converge, under the leadership of the Khalifah, as soon as the office is occupied.

@Omoobajesu: Please could you share your findings in Islam that turned you out to Christianity. Enquiring minds, eg, mine wants to know. Be direct and do not be ambiguous. To benefit an individual like me, please allow me to ask you questions as we go along in the course of discussion.

@Babyosisi: It is in the Qur'an that nothing happens to any creation, except God knows about it and He has permitted it. God, the Almighty Allah, is in control of all events, so much so, that if leaf falls off it contact to the branch of the biggest tree in the forest, eg, the Californian Red tree, God is aware of it. Its precise timing and its occurrence is in the book, already recorded.

So, coming back to the Shia, no soul can be separated from its host body, except that it has used up its measured sustenants. Even the number of breath is known. No one can be shortchanged nor take more that whatever the measurement is. It is through shia from Iran and Egypt that I began to look at Islam, not as a tradition, but a critical way of discriminating between right and wrong, in all matters of life.

Perhaps, it is something you may look into, in the future. As per your recent entry, where you alluded that the Muslims may be crusading in the future, probably following the footstep of the christians. I just have to say this, if there is an advantage in any thing, as long as it is good, anybody can adopt it, even from an Idol worshipper. Afterall, it is God, the Almighty Allah who created the individual and to Him is our return. However, the Muslims have been making Tafsir, Wahsy and Jaulla, as early as the beginning of the Islam of Muhammad (AS). Also, Musa (AS), preached to Pharaoh. Preaching or crusading did not start with the 'christians'. Its is in the DNA of mankind.

@Enugu: I had to look back at past entries to realize you may need a response from me. To me, most entries are very rhetorical.

Now to your question or hypothesis; Every one, male and female, young and old have a direct access to God, The Creator. You do not have to go through any of God's creations to connect to Him. Contrary to believe of a sizeable population of mankind, there is no need to have a mediem between the creation to the Creator. However, God, the Creator sent successions of Prophets and Messengers to mankind. The functions of these noble souls were to guide, warn and lead mankind, according to the revelation the received. The revelations are the blueprints and it was fully understood by the receiver. It is this receiver, who the people of his time would follow, in way of worshipping and need. First, we must all believe in the real Oneness and the indivisibility of God.

I believe that the core difference of all world's religions is what Creator means to each group. I person who does not even believe in the existence of God, can be an instrant believer under extrem stress. For example, if the vessel this person is sailing on hits rough water and about to break apart. Inshort, if people fear that their life is ending, you hear the quickness of calling God to bring them to safety. Although, after the terrible condition has passed and there is no more immediate of death, the unbeliever may go back to the old ways about God.

It is true that you really cannot fight God's fight. God is the Owner of all things, no one can fight Him and not be total destruction. The destruction that we as human being most is the destruction of after life. From all that I have read and experienced, God defeat all His enemies through the hands of His believing servants. A good example is the case of Ibrahiim (AS) and Numerod, the evil king of babylonian.
Another example is Musa (AS) and Pharaoh, the evil king of Egypt. There are others. Daud (AS0 was one who defeated Goliat. God could have defeated this people and entities without using any of these noble souls at I listed. However, you see that the heart of the true believers are strenghten , be it when the events listed were happening or those who hear about these in later generations.

I am going to tell you now about a story dear to my heart, to further clarify any murkiness. In the time of the last receiver of revelation, Muhammad (AS). In the 15th year of the revelation, he (AS) and his companions (RA), had their first battle, against the Makkans. The story abound with the essence of the persecution that the Muslims suffered up to this time. At the battle front, even though the Muslims were just 1/3 the size of the opposing makkans. The muslims were ill equiped and lacked the essential sustaining provisions and of course, it was the time of the obligatory fasting month of Ramadan.

However Muhammad (AS), by his Lord, was commanded to through a handful of dirt to the direction of the galant makkans. Immediately, the muslims were able to defeat this group of enemy. The makkans lost 77 people and the muslims, just only 7! This event of throwing a hand full of dirt is written in the Qur'an, if you search on the Battle of Badr.

However, some of the enemies of Islam in this battle, who later became Muslims spoke about the event that, it was as if grains of sand got into their eyes. The muslims, without proper equipment were surprised when they inspected the makkan dead, found some of their necks to have burnt marks. Muhammad (AS) explained to them that God, the Almighty had sent His Angels to reinforce the muslim rank. The weapon used by the Angels in this battle had a burning effect in it. The reinforcement of the muslims was also available in the Qur'an.

Inshort, God is capable to defend Himself. However, you His creation should be able to stand firm on truth, defending God, if only through dialogue.

@Babyosisi: Is sunday meant for christians alone? Is it not true that in the west and those countries which orientate their schedule to it have Saturday and Sunday as free days of the week. Hence, there are a lot of communities, muslims included, who take this as a time to organize and cooperate with one another. The young as well as the adult have this time to interract. Part of this interaction is the education and socialization of its young.

If you are now in the Arabia penisula, where Thursday and Friday is a non working or non full day of work days, then you will realize that Sunday is just an ordinary day to them. There is no Sunday school in these places, if you must know.

I have a christian friend in Arkansas, who observe his Sabbath on Friday even to Saturday evening. His reason is that he did not see it in the Bible where Jesus changed sabbath day to Sunday. This makes me wonder, you know.

Why didn't you ask your friend why sunday school? Maybe you will learn something from her answer. The point is that Muslims are encouraged to seek knowledge, always.

@Bhola: Thank you. Fortunately, there is not sign of bitterness in by heart and I am not a one who retched looking. Glory belonds to Allah, alone. I am a person who practices any thing other than depend on God, without any other. However, if you read my entries in the general sense of it, I have ignored a few of people who have personally attacked me.

When I was a little boy, I had friends who could actually have me as a grandchild. Now, I do have friends who are a lot younger that my own children. I have Nigerian friend who I could easily be his father. I do not let him or anybody give me undue respect. The reason is that I do not let age differences come between real personality. However, every person should be his/her own critic, before others. Majority is not always right, but it could rule. So is age. The truth is always right.

So read my entries and read other entries in response to me. When I descovered this board, I thought what you will have are mature people. I concentrated on religion alone. I avoid even the christian entries, because I do not want to offend anyone. If the nigerian mind is such that every other word is to abuse people and be very caustic, then what kind of future are we hoping for, say 100 years from now?

Some people will seaze at a chance to abuse the living and the dead, without any reflection, whatsoever. You want to abuse Muhammad (AS) and his Lord (Alla), go ahead. One is actually doing that at one's own peril. Some call Muhammad (AS) mo and Allah the Almighty allah. However, you need to caution yourself, always.

Thanks, again, Bhola. At the end, All thanks belong to Allah. I am neither bitter nor saddened "old man". God is good to me. I am successful and known in what I do. I am healthy and not sick. All of these are from the mercy of The Most Merciful on me. I have a lot of Christians and Jews as personal fiends and also as business associates. And they are not all Nigerians and Americans, alone. I also have Hindu and Buddist as friend. Inshort, I am a very happy man and grateful to God Almighty Allah for it.

@Havila: Even as Wuminde and Babyosisi stepped in to see that is end to hostility, you continued. I am going to respond to you for the last time on this issue and in any future entries that you make. First, my initial response to you was that i cautioned you about your going overboard, especially since you grew to such a terror that you began to talk very harshly to makina2.

Now, your comments and harsh salutation to Prophet Muhammad (AS) are a source of sadness for you in the day of Judgement. You will see the reality of it, when the soul is being extracted from your body, in worst of condition. My prayer is that your mend your ways before it is too late. As long as you are alive, the Door of the mercy of the Most Merciful, Most Forgiving is always open.

Now, at Abiola. It is the same you who brought up his name (RA), in your effort to show me! You did not know that I am close to his family. Now, I told them what you have said about him not being a factor in the Yoruba politicking. But you forgot that he, even in death is still important to the Nigerian politics, as a whole. You should ask Babangida and others.

What Abiola family member said about your writing about his is that you are a mad man and probably come from a sorry family background.

Your Awolowo factor is a weak one. You did not know that Awolowo had no spirit of forgiveness. What he did to his friens and collegues are think done by evil mind. I am not surprise that you used him to counter Abiola's name. Awolowo's stories Azikwe, Akitola and Alhaji Adegbenro are stories of what evil legends are made off! Awolowo never had a friend that he was loyal to. I doubt if you are not the same.

I will now ignore you, inspite of your effort that I pay any attention to you. I will leave you to your evilness, just in the same way one will pay no attention to a drunk. You are a madman with a sick and demeted quality. People like you are like animals in human clothing. I will now leave you to God the Almighty, Who send Muhammad (AS), to complete His religion on Mankind.

You are as if you are already dead and never existed in my book. May God deal with you as He will deal with His enemies in the day of Judgement. I will wait and you will wait and God is the Judge and He is harsh in Punishment.

@Orikinla: Never. It is not permissible that a nonmuslim man marry a muslim woman. You are the one who should convert. However, I like your style. You at least come out and show your true color. Even though, your writing is more imagination than reality. At least one knows right from the start who you are and all. Unlike the others. I think Nigeria need people like you, for a better society.

@Orikinla: You have to convert to Islam, before any Muslimwoman is permissable to you. That's the law from the Most Powerful, Swift in Punishment.

@Babyosisi; You should have Yoruba babies. Are you going to discriminate that opportunity. The children will be more Nigerian. Just as Orikinla, except they will be muslims.

@Babyosisi; Is the muslims calling jesus son of mary the issue with you? Is jesus not described in the Bible as son of man? Was he not mentioned as a prophet, also?

It takes all types. I guess everyone has a specific reason for him/her to be here. Some are getting off on this. I am here to discuss religion with people. Thats all. Friendship could be made. But that is seconadary.

@Babyosisi, maybe you will be next Mrs. OO, since you are older. There is the BIological clock ticking away. My relationship has to be legal. I do not do things in secret.

@Wumine: One of my nieces is named Wumi. I thank you very much for your effort.

Please read the entry of Havila, if it is possible. You will see how he has insulted my beloved prophet. He called him all kind of names and qualified him in every evil way he can. This is my crock with him. His speech towards me is nothing. In my hay days and even now, facing each other, he or me will have to be contrived. i guess the age of technology is something. He will not stop. he went straight for the late Abiola, the moment that I let him know that I know some of his senior family members.

He has then resorted to Awolowo, instead. Awolowo had no heart of forgiveness. Unfortunately, only the poor unaware masses of the Yorubas who did not really know him, will have anything to do with him. My sister, I do not mind anyone disagreeing with me. I will learn from debate, always. It maybe that I see weakness in my view point or the other person's.

As a muslim, Jesus (AS), son of mary, is my prophet. Christians do not have any claim to him, to the exclusion of the Muslims. Moses is also the same to me. I do not force any opinion on anybody. To me it is unIslamic.

Yes, the Muslims are behaving badly nowadays, but that is not to say that Islam is a bad religion. It simply mean sthe muslims are not following the injuctions of Islam as the should.

Again, I thank you. may God the almighty guide you.

@Havila: If Havila is your real name. You can only talk behind the veil. Really, you have no idea. I am sure that your parents would be saddened by your quality. You must be a real source of heavy heart, if they know the amount of evil that is stored in your heart.

I guess, you will never know the sweetness of being kind. I have muslim and nonmuslim friend, in arrays of cultures and races. Further, my children are good kids. I took proper care of them. We are good friends to one another. I have 23 and almost 20 year old boys. They respect their elders, among Nigerians and non Nigerians alike. I raised them that way. They have accomplished in their own rights. I spend good money on them.

The issue is that there are animals in human likeness. You happen to be so, for one simple reason, your lack of quality entries. From the moment that I first read your entry, i figured that you lack quality. The islam you knew little about, you pretend to be a scholar in it. You need to ask people about the accomplishment of Islam and its adherents in the field of medicine and related desciplines, throughout the ages. I guess you are blind, hard of hearing and a heart of a stone. All you are interested in is your spewing of garbage.

I have not seen anyone who has such a evil in his heart. I will tell you plenty of story as time permits. You will not have any free ride. Not as long as I am here to respond to you.

@Havila: You walked on the surface of the earth of Allah. You are under Allah's heaven, yet you insult His messenger! Didn't you know the story about the people of Elephant's in the year of the birth of Muhammad? Haven't you heard about the defeat of the Quraishi in Badr? You are not important. You are less significant than a fly on the wall. You may think of yourself to be important. that is a game in your delutional mind.

If I am ready for you, I will invite you to your home town, whereever that might be in Nigeria. Then, I will let you know that menare separate from boys. It is not by the anatomic structure. You are very mouthy. You remind me of a military bombardia pilot. He brags about his military successes and his sexual prowess. It turns out that he never flew a mission and he is impotent. The whole world is a village now. Your condition is a dire one.

If you continue like this, the Owner of the day of Judgement, Who did send Jesus (son of mary) in the same religious line as the prophets before him and then Muhammad (AS), may disgrace you as pharaoh was disgraced through the hand of Moses(AS)' And as goliat was disgraced through the hand of Daud(AS), for Allah is capable of doing all things. Evidently, you do not have any consult. Yet, you claim that you are happily married. Am sure if you tell her about your rampage on the nairaland site, she will definately have a sincere advise for you.

You are young. Your afterbirth is still bloody. Be careful. You are threading on the path that can lead to ruin. Arrogance was the sin of satan. He never was forgive, because he did not seek any. His condition will not be a good one at the end. Havila, if that is a name, I am asking you to rethink. A word is enough for the wise.

@Orikinla; You can write your fictional tale. You have named it. Fiction. You forgot the history of Muhammad (AS), with Khadijah (RA), before Islam. You also forgot the part before Khadijah's death, when the Quraishi was trying to pay him off with chiciest of their women, so that he can compromise his religion with theirs.

You want to write, write the truth. You want to write, for the sake of writing, caring nothing about the truth, then you will have your reward with your Lord.

Some of you pretend that you do not like women. Yet, you are the ones that will arrive at house parties first, or the night club or other watering holes, ready to pounce on every available possibility of easy and cheap thrills. Some of you who swear to the oath of celibacy have been found getting women pregnant or worse committing the act of homosexuality.

Amply women in Nigerian Universities and indeed, in the societies have freely chosen the Veil. No one is forcing them. My nieces are wearing the Hijab because they are obeying the injuction of the Almighty. Here, in the US, white and black and inbetween hues of women in Islam are dorning the veil, without any of their male folks arm stringing them. Indeed, you have Nigerian young women amongst them.

I guess you will educate muslim community, indeed with your fiction. This is your calling.

@Babyosisi: It is the the Islam that is me that I have repressed the Yoruba in me against Havila. If it was not Islam, I will unleash the worrior blood that flows in my blood, from my bloodline. Is terrorism a muslim problem? No. Are the muslims behaving badly right now? Yes. The enemy of Islam, within and outside of Islam are reaping the benefit.

@Havila: You have a very great imagination. Your dream is really a nightmare. You will see it very clearly, when the Angel of death is extracting your soul at the point of death. Then, it will be too late. Indeed, it is then that you will know.

@Havilaq: I pity the womb that bore you. You would not stop, thinking you are on top of the world. Now, it is Abiola you need to talk about. Shame on you. You forgot that no one is perfect. The womanising that Abiola was guilty of, could not over shadow his humanistic values. I can not say the same about Awolowo, the evil man that you looked up to! Awolowo the biggest thief that ever robbed the Yoruba people. He did it openly, too. The Awolowo that you talk about, was a baby to my father. You should ask the Igbo people how they feel about your Awolowo. You will hear an ear full.I will not say more than this. Since I said I am an Ijebu man through paternal lineage, I wish i know you your parents are. Then i would have sent people to them, that they need special prayer for you.

Awolowo, to the Yoruba, who fell for his rezzle dazzle was a good man. To my family, he was the scum. Elewon. That was the name my father (RA) called him. I think you need help. people like you perish, very easily. It is your pride that will ruin you. Then you will creat a vacuum in the life of your parents and your wife and anyone who may love you. But they will not know that it is the evil heart that is in your breast that did you in. Awolowo is probably in Hellfire. My the mercy of God the Almighty, Abiola will be in paradise. This is the differences between the two of them. The evil of Awolowo is remembered by a good number of people. My family is one of them. Stealing my family property through Western region government's eminent domain law.

Omo de yi, anu nse mi. When you take Awolowo to be your ideal man, then you have to have your head examine. Did you know that Abiola disgraced Awolowo in Ikenne, his home town? You can never know that. As young as Abiola was, God supported him against your goliat. In your case, if you continue like this, you will be the next goliat. Except that I have a thoroughly grounded life in Islam. So I will leave you in your gutter. That's where you belong.

A person like you, I do not pay them any mind. If it was not for dysfunctioning mind, which bring about the evil that comes out of your pen which is a disgrace to the Yoruba people, and to mankind, in general, I will not care for your writing. I ignore others on this thread, too.
The Yoruba's use to say; Ailora Ogongo kon she egbe tadugbenren ku.

You are alight weight. Your ego is like a delicate glass. It easily break. I do not want you to be depressed, so I am going to leave you alone. You have your life ahead of you. Move on. You do not to Takah with me. No havila,. You can handle it. You will fail, very woefully.

@Havila: You are a Doctor. Why not read about the Medical descoveries in the Qur'an. Then, disprove it, if it merits that. However, your mind is dead set against knowledge. Yet, there was a time you did not know anything. Now you can refence sources of knowledge. Qur'an is available for your medical critic eye. Are you afraid that you might descover the truth, hence the house of cards that you have in your hand will be destroyed. Whether you want it or not, Allah the Almighty has decreed Islam to overcome all other religions.

@Havila: Obviously, you never have the inner ability to reflect. For a long time, I read your entry, your looseness in speaking ill of islam, the prophet of this great religion, but your thought it was your right to do so. Now that I simply confronted you, all of a sudden you scurried like a scurrel. Your personal attack on me, really means nothing to me. But the moment you went beyond the boundary of decency and began to attack my prophet, a clear cut response is in order.

Then, you went so low to quote a great Yoruba Muslim, in the person of Mas'ud (Moshood) Abiola, to deride his fellow Muslim, who is simply cautioning you about your indiscretion, then you have problem with it. I easily could ignore you, but that may actual aid your rabid madness!

It is the same you that spoke of your achievement, simply because that I mentioned Medical phenomenona in the Qur'an. I have nothing against your person, but I dislike your attitude. Alhamdulillah. I am older than you. It is what you claimed. So, since I have lived a live, that you have not experienced, yet, I only use my life experience to deal with you. I only have just scratched the surface of my life. The best part of it is that I am grateful that I am a Muslim!

My two children are good boys. I am a good father to them. God has made them a source of happiness for me. It is your arrogance that has brought you this low. You would not quit when you had the chance. God, in His Might, when He decrees a destruction for a people, you have people of arrogance becoming abundant in their society. When God does not wish destruction for a people, just yet, He brings a means of caution to them. maybe I am the means of your caution. The way you are carrying on, you might have thought that you are at the top of the world. Yet, no one will live forever. Think about it, young blood. I was once your age. I never speak ill to my elders. But this is not my problem. But I just can't let your freak train continue to go like that, continuing to insult my beloved Muhammad (AS). The man, who from his descipline and way of life that about 1/4 of the world population, presently feel the awareness of God consciousness. The Yorubas say; Ti aba ka eru, inu eru abaje. This may be the best thing that happens to you.
So take heart. Do not be bent out of shape. I will pray for you and wish you God guidance.