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@Babyosisi: In respose to your entries above, I will like that you expanciate on Melchezdekeh, the King of salem, who even prayed for Abraham. ( My disclaimer is that I believe the persnalities in the Qur'an over a similarly named that can be found in the Bible. This is my right and I am sticking to it).

Is Elijah the paternal father of Elisha, because he called him father> Or is it that they have master/student relation and it is the proper term to be use for one superior in the Semitic societies.

You wrote that Jesus was 100% man and at the same exact time, he is also 100% God! yet you separated him from God, being two different and distinct entities when you spoke about God's prediction of him. How is all of this possible, within ration concept, when we all agree that God is capable of doing all things, but there are somethings that He, God will not do.

Can you and me agree that the 12 companions of Jesus (12 Apostles), must and should be able to tell the complete dealing of Jesus, more accurately than later generation of storytellers? The companions being eyewitnesses, while the later generations, will be hearsayers. Which group is higher in simply telling accurate story, if they are both sincere, and not eliminating or adding anything to the story. In our todays condition, it is as if One group is to Audio/video and the other was simply told without the audio/video recording and maybe, even not the one who made the recording.

With this in mind,please tell me, are there anysingle desention among the remaining 11 companion after jesus was lifted to heaven and Judas had died? If there is any, please tell us who desented and who did any desented against. Are they from the eyewitness group or they desented even in least against any one who came in the later generations, even from the immediate generation, eg Saul/Paul.

Now, tell me when these prophesies were coming to the Prophets who received them, were they written down there and them, while the prophets were still alive to confirm that they were exactly as it came from GOD? In your Bible that you have today, we all agree that they are from the Roman, Greek, (earliest manustripts; I have my opinion, but lets leave it alone), what happened to the Bible being exactly as the prophets received it from their God, the Almighty? None of the prophets was aGreek/Roman and no revelation came to them in these two languages! So will you now tell me that the Bible is accurate in letter by letter, word by word, sentence by sentence and complete message, as the original piece meal by pice meal as it was the way it was revealed to the prophets, since they did not live all at the same time?

You can not argue that the Bible is accurate as if it was just revealed to those noble prophets. Never mind the language that it is translated into, eg, Igbo, etc, etc. If this is impossible for you to prove, then how are you sure of anything except that you must have a frame of reference on a particular topic it contains. For example, the Bible itself escoriate the learned of of the Jews corrupting the Law and the Books.

Here, what you then have is uncertainty! Thank God, Allah the Almighty sent the Qur'an to Muhammad (The Unlettered Prophet (AS)), to confirm and offers correction, a way that is straight, lacking Crookedness.

Am Sure that You are going to bite your tongue if that is even possible. However, I am certain the men of galance we bring their Tomahawk, instead looking at things critically and try to answer the questions and probably have a sincere object at this.

By the way, which is first; God the Almighty or Jesus, since you have indicated that they are separate and apart from each other. When jesus was on earth was their God still in heaven, which Jesus refered to in his 'Lord's prayer'. I wuld have expected that the lord's prayer should hav started with Our Lord and no our father! You want to make prayer to your father, then say so from the jump start! Sincerity should be expressed in all action. Intention should be clear. Any who prays to his/her father is worshipping him. Why not the mother who labored and cared more for the child than the father> I pray to God always to have mercy on my father (I do not pray to my father).

@Babyosisi: I just want to know if the book of revelationwas after Jesus of the Bible had completed his missionon the earth, or if it was before? Who was the revelation given to, I mean the author among the contributor of the Bible. For example Genesis was given to Moses, Psalm was given to David, etc. We also see that Mark, Luke, etc are the suppose storyteller of what was given to Jesus. They did not let him tell his own story. Not in its totality, so one is tempted to ask what portion is clearly from Jesus and what are clearly not and which part is open to maybe or maybe not. I ask the question,if Jesus had completed his mission, then truly there is no need to have any further continuance from later people, eg Saul/Paul!

Is this like the Mission accomplished banner that was glaring behind Prsident, yet after many years, unfortunately, we have people being killed, still. Is this issue of of Jesus in the light of this injection of Saul/Paul on the stage a presumptious understanding. Or is it that Saul/Paul is the culprit here. I have my opinion. Jesus completed his mission; Making sure that he preached the religion of Moses and allthe other Prophets before him and never negated the core message of the book of Moses on one hand and heralding the coming of a future prophet, who (whom) he called the Comforter after him. A spirit showing and leading to all things, praising Jesus and say all that he hears. Please watch out for a future threat about the Comforter.

How are you anyway? Have a great week ahead. So you need to go to Church to get recharged? The connection should be 24/7.

@ gbade.x: Never did Prophet Muhammad (AS) ask the muslims, during his time or generations that came later, including mine that is the current geration or any that will come later in the future to read the Torah or Injiil that was available from his time onward. If you know that verse in the Qur'an, please quote it for our mutual benefit. However, we do no that there are books given to Prophets before Muhammad. Musa received Taurah, Daud received Zhabur and Isa bin Mariam received Injiil. We were told these books by the time of Muhammad were deemed corrupted. You will from this statement realise that they must have been pure and uncorrupted at some time before the corruption started. In Islam, each book was pure during the time of the prophet that received the Book and upto the generation that came later, just before the start of the corruption began.

I am not intending to beat you down on this issue. But you need to have the understanding of the position of Islam. For example, in the early days of Madina, Umar (RA), read the Taurah and was excited about his finding that agreed with the position of Islam, which he already knew. So in this excitement state, he came to the congregation where the prophet and Abu Bakr and others were present. He naively stated his findings and the source. Prophet Muhammad did not respond and in fact wore an annoyance expression, which Abu Bakr noticed right away.

Abu Bakr called Umar to the fact that their leader Muhammad was unhappy about Umar's action. Umar did not hear him. Abu Bakr then told Umar that may Umar's parents lives be ransomed, which was an expressiion that gets the attention of the Arabs, before and during the beginning of Islam. Umar then paid attention to Abu Bakr who let him realised that the Prophet was noit happy with the Umar's usage of Taurah. Prophet Muhammad (AS), ordered that the adhan be called. People came to the Masjid right away. Muhammad (AS), mounted the mimba, where he addressed the community. In short, the address was very direct and to the point. He said that the truth he has been given which he has brought to them as quickly as it is been given, piece meal by piece meal, is so complete that infact, if Musa were to be alive at that time and hears that Muhammad , a prophet is in already preaching in Arabia, Musa will not have any choice but to hurry up and follow Muhammad as even all the companions were doing at that time! I have many verses of the Qur'an and statements in hadith to support this. (In the Qur'an, you have a verse which talks about the covenant/oath that God the Almighty took from the Prophets in their soul state, where He said that if while they were individually on earth preaching and they hear about His Messenger (Muhammad), preaching and confirming what He(ALLAH) gives to that particular prophet, will the prophet aida nd support the Mission of that Messenger?. They all answered Yes. God then said that He took this oath as the agreement between He the Lord of the worlds and His servants and creations the Prophets (AS)).

Of course, during the lifetime of Muhammad, the messenger all the prophets had gone and what you have in the Qur'an which confirms the verse of the Bible that talks about the coming Comforter who will (he, male gender, in the same humanness like Jesus and other prophets before him, visible touchable, a known quantity in physical mass and spiritual capacity, having body and soul) come after Jesus leaves the eath, is in Suratul Saffat (Those who are set in arrays).

I will soon, open a thread to invite people to talk about this Comforter. I will enjoin every contributor to focus on the topic, even if you are for or against it. You can use any and all religious, political, etc source(s). But I will hope that we do not twist and distort the truth with clear disregard to reality.

@gbade.x: Again, I am asking you to post your question(s), back to me. I reminded you that I checked your recent entries and I did not find a clear question that I need to answer. Please help me here.

The Islamic view of Daud is in the Qur'an and Hadith and Stories of the Prophets. This view is difference from that of Biblical David in many instances. I am now going to concentrate on Bible David in relationship with Bible Jesus, who is difference from Islamic Isa bin mariam (AS).

David was an adulterer and killed husband in order to covet the wife. Therefore the conclusion here is that if Jesus is from his lineage, then Jesus is from the lineage of an evil and ruthless killer, who coned a husband out of his wife by sending him off to war where he got killed. Also he was punished by his wife and son publicly as if in a public square/amphitheater, full of people, adults and children watching, so as to shame this forefather of Jesus! Now tell me, will you, do you think the forefather (Bible David), with this kind of evil and humiliation hanging over his head, will receive the mercy of God, since he is humiliated on this earth, it may be that he will be humiliated in the day of Judgement as well. The chance is at least 50/50.

In the Bible you have a statement that the sin of the father will be visited on the son even to the (3 to 9 generations?). Is Jesus then save from the visitation and transfer of the punishment of sin of David on him? I am just trying to use your Bible to educate you to critical and practical thinking. Don't think I am in the same mindset. I revere Daud, Isa bin Mariam as much as I revere Muhammadibn Abdullah (AS to all of them). I may be direct here, but ain't it the truth?

@Babyosisi: I will give you Sheikh Musa Cohen, in Brooklyn was a Rabanic Study and a military captain in the ADF of Israel, before his conversion into Islam.

The Torah is corrupted, too. For the fun of it, give me the verse in the Torah that confirms crucifixion.

@Havila: Its surprising to learn that Jesus has something to do with the Psalm. I thought that is the book given to Daud. Yet the christians say that he was a killer and a usurper who coned a man out of his wife. Whenever it benefited Christians, they claim him as the father of Jesus, attaching Jesus to him through Jesse.

Havila, the truth is I do not care about absurdities. I have already validated Jesus, son of Mary as my leader, a noble prophet (AS). The rest is gravy. I do not eat it.

I want you to take one thing away from our dialogue; Since we are perfect, and not from the same cloth, you must try to adjust to people around the world, based on their culture and position in that culture. For example, Chinese hierrachial people look at thing differently that Japanese and so others are even more diverse. Indias behave somewhat differently than Pakistani.
Allah says in the Qur'an that Icreat you into tribes and nations, so that you may know one another. So within the Yorubas, or even from the family, you develop varied relationship in different degrees with the members. Some you are closer to than another. In Nigeria or society that will consider you a foreigner, yet you find from this group good and strong relationship. You see you must learn to deal with people in a manner that will not make anyone thinks that you dispespect them or disregard them. They may thing that one is arrogant. And reputation goes a long way, it is what you are remembered by.

@Babyosisi: You sure that millions of Jews have converted to Christianity? What time period are you talking about? Currently, you have maybe 30 Million people, worldwide, who will consider themselves to be of the children of Israel (Okay Jews, since 11 tribes are already absorbed the the tribe of Judah, less influencial than the tribe of Joseph. Never mind that statement!). 1/3 lives in Palestine (Okay, Israel), then about 1/4 lives in America, having the largest population in NYC. The rest are scatterd around the world. Now how many of this are christians? Give me a notable Jewish christian. Mr David Wolf of ABC-News corporation is a Muslim. In the history of Islam, from the time of Muhammad (AS), you find a good amount of Jew who became Muslim. Abdallah bin Salaam, was a notable Rabbi who converted and in the battle of Huud, some other who had converted died in the battle. Read about these noble companions (RA).

I personally know many Jews who are Muslims. I wonder if you can tell me what 'he' the holy spirit as comforter had shown you as per the saying of Jesus, what good as it served. Especially since you said that you it has been fulfilled. Where is the he and what have you learnt from his arrival in your life. Has it taught you what do do or say when you are in any situation,eg, retiring to bed at night, taking a nap, ready to eat,  at eating, putting on or taking off your cloth, shoes,etc., leaving your home or arriving at home, sneezing, yearning, using the bathroom, using the mirror, etc,etc. Please do not forget that Jesus said that 'he' will show you all things and will glorify him. Please explain. If you can give a desitation, then comforter has not come or full filled. Speaking in tongue as an explanation willnot do it. Obviously, speaking in tongue should mean speaking in another language. You probably speak a language that you are not familiar with. In this case what language is it and when you speak it, who provides the meaning.

If the Jews believe that the Messiah has been fulfilled as it is in their Book by Jesus, yet the enmasse refused to follow him, then they must be damn stupid. Obviously they do not believe it. Muhammad (AS) did not dispute the Massiahship of Jesus to the Children of Israel (Oh shocks, I need to the Jews). Rather Muhammad confirms it in Suratul Saffat and others. However he says also that the Christians should not go overboard in the matters of religion and speak what is true about God. So Muhammad completely disagrees and declares that Jesus is a Prophet sent to the Children of Israel, as their Massiah and that is that. Just because he was born of only mother, and performed mant miracles, that should not qualify him to be son of or God Himself. Muhammad also declares that Jesus was not strung on and did not die on the cross as being crucufied!

Now just because Muhammad came later and produced his master piece  does not make it inaccurate. You should know better to use this as a cogent method of argument.

By the way, what about them Christmas. I think that it is the celebration of the birth of Jesus. Did his companions celebrated it, or did he commanded it and is the date  accurate as December 25! If this could be changed even though the celebration was not commanded, then I ask you, my dearest Babyosisi, how many things are changed and people agree to the change and do not question it. One will ask, again, how pure is this religion? At least the muslims use celestrial element like moon to know actual period to do things and a means to calculate months,etc. The sun is used to set timing for Salah and when to start and break fast, etc.

@Havila: Alhamdulillah. I made my peacealready and I do not need to look back. It is true that you are a christian or whatever you are. I on the other hand, a Muslim. Maybe it became easy for me because my soul accepts it. I all indications, I will never change it for anything. It is a shame that your heart can't wrap around my argument, because it is the way people present their viewpoint, using several examples to support it, in practical sequence. I did not ask you to validate Muhammad (AS). His Lord already has done it. Then His Angels, all other prophets before him and then the generations of believers, starting from his companions all the way to the last generation of believers to come!

Again, all the white people I do business with in your faded glorious England, and all over the world and 'ol USA quite understand me. I write contracts and deal with Prime banks and they do appreciate my input. I can see how you will be able to "get me" . Afterall you believe that you are right and their is no possibility that you may be wrong. You are a Medical Doctor and you will not the least amount of sincerity that Medical textbook on any topics and procedure or treatment of any desease has not been refined/improved upon, in the past 500 years. The man who invented the operational procedure of Intestine was an untrained Black man, who was just given the recognition of his effort in the past few years. How did he honed his tecnics; he practiced on Wet noodles and he was a pioneer. You know where I stand and I do no where you stand. You ask a question which was to indicate that because Islam of Muhammad came, more recently than Christianity, hence it can not be true. I expect a man of book like you to have a better analysis. Afterall, 'Christianity' came after Judaism as a religion, yet you believe that Christianity is better than it. Since Noah, Ibrahiim (AS), were not Jews ethnically, never practice a religion which you will call Judaism, then you should think about their religion and if it is diferent from those of later individuals, including Moses. And by the way Talmud is not a Palestinian issue, it was developed by the Scholars of the Jews, as a book that suppliments Torah among other things. What about Kabalah that the Jews get involved in.

Finally, Qur'an spoke about Old and New Testaments being authentic at some time in their indivual period, all before Muhammad (AS) We also believe i Musa and Isa and other prophets. No one will take that away from us. You may try with your lips, in trying to deny our rights, but all of these are in our hearts. You can use your Tomahawk, it will not work. See whats being going around now in Europe and America. The truth will definately come out, some day.

@Havila: I had just responded to your entry and I am going to respond to this Ibrahiim issue to his progeny. In the Qur'an, in Suratul Baqarah, you will see that Yaquub, the son of Isiaka, the nephew of Ismaila, the grand son of Ibrahiim (AS, to all of them), telling his childern (the 12 sons, etc), when they have established in Egypt tat they should worship God the Almighty alone and do not associate anything with Him. We then see again that Yaquub asked his children while on his death bed that how would they worship after his passing away (He was taking a covenant from them, bearing in mind that he was a prphet from the bloodline of prophethood)? They responded that they will will worship in the way that their forefathers had worshipped, the way of Ibrahiim, Ismaila, Isiaka and then you our father, worshipping that God and we bow our will to him (IN Islam)! Havila you do nohave to agree with me, this is what debate is all about. However, I reflected on my own, realising that Ismail was at least 13 years the snoir of Isiaka, his younger brother the second child and son of father Ibrahiim.

Qur'an tells us that Ibrahiim took his son, Ismail and his mother , Ibrahiim's youger wife th the desert of Makka and left them, with limited supply. This younger wife asked and accepted this unusual action of Ibrahiim, upon Ibrahiim indicating that he is following the injuction of Allah. Ibrahiim went back to Palestines (City of Jerusalem). How long did it take them them to make the journey to Makka and for sure it will quicker for Ibrahiim to return back home, alone without the drags (Mother and young Child). From the numbers of many years that Ismail has over Isiaka his younger brother, we realise that Isiaka was not born or just a toddler at the time of moving to makka. We realised that God preserved Ismail and his mother in the desert, with the water of Zam Zam and people settling in this new habitable land. From this point on we realise that there has never been a time peopledid not live in it and no one including the army of the the people of the Elephant has ever defeated this city, infact all invading army had been defeated miraculously and Muhammad was the only one that conquerd it under the banner of Islam for his Lord.

Now, the Muslims claimed that Qur'an tells us that Ibrahiim built the Ka'aba with the help of his son, Ibrahiim and calls mankind to visit under the instruction of Allah. At a time, there after, Qur'an says that Ibrahiim was commanded to slaughter his son Ismail and he asked the son and he agreed and encouraged his father to carry out the commandmenbt. Al Qur'an says further that th child was ransome with an animal slaughter. We see that the muslims from Muhammads time and Arabs before him use to perform a less comprehensive rites of Hajj than what Muslimsdo. Today, the Muslims wear what we call the wrap of Hiram, the shout to your service Oh Allah, , Pray on Arafah, then further, Ummrah to Madina and even visiting Masjid Aqsa in Palestine.

From the commandmenbt of Yaquub as indicated to his children, we realise that Yaquub knew about his Uncle Ismail in makka. He even told his children about this man. From the Bible we realise that the Children of Israel, who their stronger branch absorbed, by ethnic and religious dominance. At least they do not deny that their father's Uncle never existed. From the Bible, we are told that Isiaac was the child that was ransome in the sacrifice, in Jerusalem at the Rock which is now in a masjid Umar in the Aqsa Masjid complex. We now come back to Ibrahiim possible relation with Ismail in Makka; FromHadith, we hear from Muhammad, that Ibrahiim used to vist Ismail and Ismail the same, where I am supposing that Yakuub knew about his father's Uncle. We must understand that if Sarah had instructed and Ibrahiim had agreed to obey Sarah by sending Ismail and his mother away. Now that Ismail is grown and independent and can go whereever, then I think Sarah's choke hold on this father son and 2 brothers relation complexity is almost Zero. We do not find in the Bible where Ibrahiim denied his fatherhood on Ismail. In Makka, Ibrahiim came to Ismail's house and Ismail was not home, but his wife was. The wife made a terrible remark about their sustenance to Ibrahiim. Ibrahiim left a prophetic message for his son, Ismail (AS), a prophet, too. Ismail devorce his wife because of his father's saying so. He married another wife. Sometimes in this marriage, Ibrahiim visited as like the first. This time this wife was fully of good words and praise of Ismail, her husband. Ibrahiim left a prophetic message for Ismail, to keep his wife. Ismail never devorced this woman.

You wil agree with me that Idol worshipping among the arabs and its placement in the Ka'aba came in later than the time of Ibrahiim, Ismail and his mother Hajar and some generations later. The 360 idols did not arrive in Ka'aba at once. (Read about this and many more from a book titled: The stories of the Prophets). Hypothetically, if Isiaka was the son that was meant to be sacrified and then ransome, then why are ot the Jews, who have to use his line in the heritage of Ibrahiim to separate themselves and and claim ownership of the Ibrahiimic covenant with God? Today, we see that the arabs even, when they were majority pagans before the Islam of Muhammad (AS), they carry this duty of Hajj. When Islam of Muhammad came, whatever was prescribed was followed, even up to today. WE also realise that the Muslims claim that all prophets, Ibrahiim, Ismail, Isiaka, Yaquub, Yusuf, Musa, Daud, Sulayman, Zakariya, Yahya, Isa ibn Mariam and Muhammad and others before Ibrahiimare Muslims and their prophets and their leaders and we say Alaysalaam to each and every one of them.

Do you think if Isiaka was the son of slaughter, the Prophet of Allah will hide this fact when his Lord has provided him with the truth? Muammad (AS), is an Iconoclast of the highest calibre. Muhammad got Suratul Kafr, in indicating to the pagans of makka that Islam willnot compromise and will not comingle our religion and injusction to satisfy or pacify anyone. Muhammad says during the lifetimeof his Uncle, that if the Sun was placed in his right hand, and the moon in the left, he will not stop his mission until Allah's command prevails. The otherside of the Issue is that when Muhammad arrived in Madina and found out that the Jews do fast on the 10th day of the month of Muharram, because it is the day that Musa fasted during his lifetime because of his victory over Pharaoh of Egypt, an african black. Muhammadsaid that the Muslims has more rights over Musa as their brother and prophet than the Jews. So he ordered the Muslims to fast that day and makes it a commandment that Muslims should fast that day and a day before it and/or a day before it. Today Muslims all over the world do this, every year. The same Muhammad also encourage Muslims to fast the fast of daud, the fast Isa bin Mariam. He encourage us to pray the prayer of Jonah, the perceverance of Yaquub when he sons told him about Yusuf, the declaration of confession of our wrong as Yunusa in the belly ofthe Whale, the thankfulness of Zakariya when he was told the good news of a son, Yahya, to refrain from illegal sexual temptation as Yusuf. You sincerely believe that this prophet will not tell the truth. You see how orderly Islam is and the constant remembrance of God 24/7, the muslims are. Yes you will have some who fall through trhe cracks, in many continuous conditions. THis prophet is so sincere that you will know what to do even when you are putting on your clothings, then even new clothing, when you yearn, sneeze, when ready to it and you finish you meal Inshort, you have the right action or saying for every occasion. He has led me to all things. See at my age, I tried to smooth and oil down your ego!

@Havila: So that you know that I do not have any bhard feeling towards you, I will respond to your around the way response to me.
First, when I read your responses, I smile, sometimes laugh. I am not laughing at you, but laugh that you find it hard to come directly to me and at least since, i am older and you say you are a Yoruba, hopefully from noble family, then I just do not know if you expect me to drag myself on the floor to you. Well, it aint happening. But I am a Muslim and I copy the quality of my noble prophet (AS) in how he dealt and encourage us to deal with our neighbors. Because of this, the Yoruba in me is always dormant. My older son, Olayiwola is less than a decade your Junior, I think. I raise the them well. Thanks to God, good genes, excellent nurturing and mothering from their mother. Now, I yhink you now know that I do not hope any evil to you. Instead, I love you and I want you to go as high as you wish and that God grant you success. Even Davidylan, I hope he is alright where ever he is. I like good and hard challenges. In my business, it is a second nature, yet I will always keep my head firmly planted on my shoulders.

To your question about Dijjal (Antichrist) and Massiah (Isa Ibn Mariam (AS)): You should read Suratul Suratul Baqarah, Imran, Maidah, An Am, Anfal, Taubah, Anfal, Araf, Hud, Yunus, Yusuf, Ibrahiim, Israa, Mariam, Ambiyya, Saffat and many more. In the Qur'an God discusses Jesus and his mother more than Muhammad is. Aburo, part of the believe in Islam is Jesus as a prophet of his Lord in full quality as much as Muhammad (AS to both of them)

Just because we have a view that is different to what you have, does not mean that you are right and that we are wrong. Allah the Almighty, alone is the One Who knows who is right. Your crireria are not the same as ours.

By the say smile and say hello to your family. You should take good care of yourself and be of goodcheers. Stop getting so angry, so extremely and so quickly. And stop using the icons to much. they are very annoying in serious issues, which is what we find ourselves. Dijjal is an accursed personality in Islam. He is part of the army of Shaitan. WE pray against them: Oh All I seek refuge in You against the trial od Dijjal, and the trial of living and dying and the trial of the grave and protect me from Hell fire. Oh Allah I seek refuge in You against the Shaitan the accursed. These are just two samples of many prayers that we make. Every activity in the life of a muslim, man and woman, there is a guidance and rule. Aburo, I just want to express my fondness to you, do you see the common thread leading to the Comforter, leading you to all things and praising Jesus and even his mother and saying only what he had been commanded to do, not doing things out of his own will? Think about it before you respond.

@gbade.x: Allah says to mankind, if one wre to swear one should use Him, alone. I often have heard people swear even using the lives of their own children. I see that you are not a father yet, considering your age. But if your parents so sure about something and they use you to swear, emphasing the certainty, is then to be taken that your parents are inferior to you? No, my brother! Then your 'scholar' who have written the confusion which you and others are hanging your hats on, is putting Allah's standard in the same standard as humans'?

Humans, for example are contrained by time, beginning and ending. Is that quality known as time applicable to Allah the Almighty God? God the Creator of all can swear by anything. That is His discretions and no one can judge, restrict, challenge Him on anything. That includes His sole responsibility as the Judge of the Last day. Those who think that they are restricting or can define God are extremely astray from the path that is straight! I and every muslim know that God describe in many ways, but never as a father of any. Then he support this statement, finally by many verses and this profound verse: Say, if their has been a son of the Almighty, I will be the first to worship him. See, the verse provide a negation from the beginning. My point is this, when your man writes, he should be truthful, not suggestive and deciving. That is where the evil is. People like him, they are known as Muta Mushrikuun. Having a knowledge that is not benefitting, but a witness that will lead him to the Fire of Hell.

Now, gbade.x, think, man, mac daddy. Young blood.

@ChiluvGod8: I wish I have enough time to wate, I would just demolish your writing, above. I will recommend that you go and study the Life History of Muhammad (AS). You will know that Moon and others are just to mark time, seasonal changes, etc and nothing more. You will also see that Muhammad tore the Moon into 2, as a miracle that was witnessed by the Pagan makkans. If Muhammad incorporated pagan rituals and it was to pacify the Arab Pagans, why did the makkans oppressed them so much that they left Makka to Ethiopia, twice and then, finally to Madina?

When you read about the Ka'aba, you will find that this structure was initially built in the lifetime of Adam (AS). The foundation remained even after the folld of Noah (AS). When Ibrahiim built it with his first and at sometime in his life's only son Ismail (AS, to both of them), they used the foundation that was there already! The house did not have any idol, until later. When Muhammad (AS) conquered Makka with his followers, they did not leave a single idol, whatsoever. No muslim worships any idol and as a matter of fact imagery that has soul, eg ny part of man or animal is frowned upon, as a possession, means of exhange or trade/commerce.

Muhammad's father was Abdullah, so every muslim is aware of this name, contrary to your statement. Further Olorun is a name used for God, in pre christian and preislam era. Is the name Olorun, Oluwa. Eledumare, Chineke ,etc not applicable in todays dialectic/african languages identification of God the Creator? It is as if whatever the pagans did no believer must as a rule for you and your people. If a disbeliever cleans, eats, prays/supplicate, have family, wear cloths, etc, muslims must not do it. Even this tradition is commandment from God, in to follow the tradition of Ibrahiim, the father of faith, who existed before the Pagan of Makka and all Arabs bastardize them! When God commands it to be done for His pleasure in Islam, it should be therefore abandoned and one should dispbey God? If a Yoruba family known as Oludare becomes, a Christian or Muslim family, they should change their name! There is nothing with the name in the first place the name is just fine now that it is out of idolastic pagan religion to Islam for example.

At Allah using elements like Moon, Sun, to swear, did not mean they are more superior, far from it. After all He swear by Time in Sural Asr, by dawn in Suratul Fajr, by steed/the thing that runs in Suratul Dhubha, by wind in Suratul Mursalat, by the Angels in suratul Naziat, by the sky displaying, promised day, witnessin Suratul Buruj, by the morning glory light in Suratul Dhukan, by the nightin suratul Lail, by the sky and the night visitant in Suratul Tariq, etc. You have enough? My question is this, do you thing that time, which Allah swears by is greater? You see, the truth is that your leaders who write the nonsense that you have copied, are what we call MUTA MUSHRIKUUN. They have knowledge, by it is not put to good use. The knowledge is a burden on them and a witness against then in the day of Judgement.

@Babyosisi: In the Al Qur'an's Suratul Naml (The Ants, verse 60), Allah the Almighty declares: When you ask them, Who has created heavens and the earth and sends down water, to revive the vegetation for sustenance and beautification, they will answer, its Allah. In this verse, you will see that Allah proclaims His authority, without any ambiguity.
So this remind me of the story of an old Fulani man in Guinea in the days of French colonial imposition on them. So this man used to pay land tax on his properties and farm. So it came a time that this man was fed up with the payment of this unholy levies and surcharges. The night before the D. O. was to come for the collection of monies, the old man gave instruction to his family members, what to do as soon as they see the officer from afar.

In the morning, they saw the man approaching from a quarter of a mile away. So they followed their elder's instruction, by climbing up on trees and staying there , men and women, altogether! To the surprise of this French officer, the old mnan refused to give him any money. He told the frenchman to wrap up as a carpet, the land of France which is on top, so that the soil of the Almighty Allah be revealed out. This is what the old man said, which dumbfounded the Frenchman! I do not want to put Yoruba expression in here, but I am sure you understand where i am going with this.

The Frenchman went to his superior for strategy and came back a few days later. The family members climbed up the trees again and remained there, leaving the old man to deal with this issue. The condition was the same. The third time that this Frenchman came to this oldman, his superior gave him instruction that there is no more levies and taxes to be paid by this man. He is now given blanketed amnesty. The French knew that if they pressed the issue, the whole village will know and everyone will take the same stand and for sure the French will lose out.

Such is how Allah helps and hates oppression. America, is part of the earth. So is Nigeria, my birth country. I love both nations. I became an adult and a true man here in America. The 2 sons that I have were born in Brooklyn and Newark, both in the NYC metropolitan area. Apart from being educated in America, here is where I have engaged in my own business and have achieved Success. Here is also that I truly know about Islam. I say God bless and protect America, my parental and ancestral Country, Nigeria and the rest of the world. It is true that America is God's Country, so is the rest of the world! Allah creats every part of the world. Can any sane mind say that God created one part of the earth and not the other?

Again, when mankind is in distress, ag, as in Tsunami, Katrina and others, even the Atheist and the Agnostic call God, alone, to help them and extracate them from this clear and present danger! I declare again that there is Only One God. He begets no one nor is He begotten.

@Mustay: It is Suratul Araf (Chapter 7, verse 21).

@Babyosisi: I thought the Lion of Judah is 'King David'. Is'nt it? You may have problems with the Rastafarians, if you tell them its not so!

By the way Judah is what now? Come again; Ah, yes, it is one of the tribes of the Children of Jacob, who was also known as Israel (Soldier of God, not the one who fought with God!). Oh, I would not comment on the list above. I will let you have your 'fun', but you know my feeling about it. Yes and tremendous amount of NO.

@gbade.x: Dude, Oro di hun, Oro pesi je o. I think you know what I mean. Thats the end.

@Orikinla: Nna, Kedu? What happened to you? I asked about your Uncle, my brother in Islam, you conveniently ignored me. The Yorubas say 'Ara eniyan ni rere wa'. Are you concern that he and me will be friendly and that is too much for you to swallow? Babyosisi says that you are a lover, always. But she is qualifying it that it is SEX alone that exites you. Unfortunately, the fornication with Muslim women is your specialty. You should marry and stop all of that nonsense! Thats just silly when grown people do it as boyfriend/girlfriend ting! Then you are fighting for Jesus!

By the way, are you following the African Catholic Bishop about breaking the celibacy chain imposed by Rome? What's your thought.

@Reverend: Are you married? If not, you should as soon as you can. This should calm you down. By the way you should marry an African woman, with all this energy, she will handle you quite well, since you can not marry more than 1, as a christian, being restricted by law and rule of mare mortal.

If Dajjal comes, you will know that it is not a muslim or does he belong to Islam. We make supplication in Salah to Allah against Anti-Christ's trial, influence or followership. How is that possible that Muslim or Islam is this antichrist? Please let us be serious here!

The West, since its rise to eminence and power on the World stage has taken and continues to take advantage of Muslims, non Muslims and other people who are not 'lilly white or its surrogates'. Even though I disagree and unhappy with Muslim leadership and the irrationality of the angry masses, you take a look at the wholesale killing being visited on the Muslims all over the world! When is this killing going to be too much and becomes evil? Until you have a complete generation dead? There are even contractors in this fight now, killing indiscriminately without control and rule of nation to guide them. They all have immunity! Wow. Saddam Hussein and his cohorts are evil. Do you have to match them in brutality or even worse?

@Babyosisi: It Enoch never died, then he has one over Jesus who at least by your statement of belief had died/tasted death! So why is Enoch not cnsidered Son of God, at least in the same way as Jesus, if not higher grade? When you say he walked with God, what is that, exactly? Is it like a physical walk, like two lovers holding hands,strolling down the street or in the park, etc? What is it that you mean by this in the physical or spiritual relationship and physical description, in refernce to God? How tall is Enoch in relationship to God? This stroll was on this earth or where? Was God then under His heaven, under the highest cloud or atmopheric condensation, yet walking on top of the earth? Babyosisi, I need a though answer. God is greater than what they associate with Him. God is more superior than any kind of physcical confinement they can put Him. I remember my high school BK teacher telluing us that when Jacob wrestled in the old testament, finally showed his neck to him or was it Moses that did that. I asked myself then, even though I I was a little boy, how big was the neck? I always knew that this description by the teacher was a fantastic falacy that will be unacceptable to any true believer of God.

He even said Israel as another name for Jacob (AS), means the one who fought with God. But in Islam, Israel as a name of Jacob (AS) means soldier of God. You see the difference here? Yet no eye has ever seen God. Instead of the wrestling between Jacob and an angel, knowing fully well that angels do appear to prophets!

@gbade.x: You are calling me playa? Don't be naive. If i want Babyosisi, assuming that her writing tell me anything about her, in this case so far, not, then I will go to the Igbo elders, including Chief Ojukwu. I will lobby that they extracate her from America and bring her to my doorstep, in Nigeria. If this is impossible, then when she arrive on vacation to Nigeria, the whole of Nigeria, will gather to shoplift her to me! See, gbade.x, this is impossible. She is engaged and it is in the human nature to be married and propagate the continuation of mankind in the earth. I like her as a sister in humankind, that's about it.

Whatever I want, I will like to see before I make up my mind. If I am interested in her, for real you and everyone will undoubtedly know it. I am a muslim and I will be very forward about it. Unlike the others, who will hide their true intension about love and relationship. I do not fornicate or involve in adultery! This is Islam. It is different from Arab or Yoruba culture or any other cultures.

Even though my first choice in women are Nigerians, but i am not interested in typical ethnic look. I love exotic look and I can not see it just from Babyosisi's writings. I want her to suceed in marriage and I believe she already found her match, her soul mate. I only hope for her and him all that is good. That's my story and i am sticking to it. The last sentence is a joke.

@Babyosisi: The picture of 'Jesus' on the site you quoted above, is it real or momorex? When was the Camera made and who made it? Also, you must notice they at least have him with full beard and long hair. You are right, he claimed to be those. What did the webmaster claimed that he claimed that he was? Have a great weekend. NYC is very nice. Anyway i am a home body; from office to my home and masjid.

@gbade.x: I check you entries and I am sure of any real question. I think in one of them you spoke about death and resurrection. This are your questions? First the Qur'an says that they did not crucify him nor did they kill him, Check Chapter named the table spread. One of the glaring anomaly about the time period which satarts from Friday evening, jst before Sunset to Sunday morning just after Sunrise, coming up to 3 days is in the same line of reasoning of trinity making one (3 in one concept)! I see a similarity between the two now. They have 3 as a common thread. Then you have the Rapture thing going on as well!

gbade.x, now let me know what your question (s) is/are so that i can try to provide adequate answer(s).

@Babyosisi:MI challenge you. But our ground rule is that we take the issues, one at a time. Agreed? You bring your evidence and I, mine. If Allah permits me to win this challenge, I hope that you and yours will convert to Islam.

@Babyosisi: I was watching Creflo Dollar this morning. He has his hair conked like "Raisin Head". Ha! See? He was talking about Marriage and family. He then quoted Ephesian Chapter 5, verse 20something, which commands women to summit to their husbands as they summit to the lord. Please educate me about this special verse, which really elevate women. I am sure you will have a lecture up your sleeve to convince me. I will not response to your Atlanta, Georgia issue. You are my sister, just like everyone on this site is my relative. Even though we may have our differences and never be friendly.

@Babyosisi: I have high regard for you. See. My respecting you is not but by the grace of Allah, Who brought Muhammad (AS), to teach me morals. My morality is inferior to that of any good muslim alive today, their individual morality is inferior to that of the last generation that passed. Then that is also inferior to the generation before it. This goes on and on. Every previous generation having a more superior moral quality that the one after it. Then you have the third generation, yet inferior to second. That in turn inferior to that of the companions (RA). All of them put together and all successive generations added to it, Muhammad (AS), alone is higher!

See, if it is the African culture that I am projecting, by now you would have seen by rough edges. Probably I will be Bogarding you by now. Muhammad is beloved to his Lord that Allah attaches Muhammad's name to Himself: Muhammad Rasullullah. SMILE! See.

@Babyosisi: Yes. That's my final answer. Allah says in the Qur'an; Every soul shall taste death. Have you seen anyone who has never died? Even you claim that the Bible Jesus died. Even as you claim,it is for a short period of time. Bad calculation, from Friday almost sundown to Sunday immediately after sunrise is not three days! I am also Semitic. So are the Igbos. So are all the decendants of Ibrahiim (AS).

So when I say I want to tell you a story, your choral response is to be ;Tell me story o. Thank God, in my youth I experienced life. I was not a saint, but did not go over board. Babyosisi, you should think about this alternative scenario. You can love Jesus, if at all your love is true, as much as Peter, mark, and many of his core companions. Was anyone of them carried away in rapture? The answer is no. They died and beried. End of story.

Fela in his days, when performing, especially in Europe, some may shout that he was the best Musician that they ever saw. He would respond; That's what you said. Really, Fela was telling them that this statement was just from their own mouth. he can 'ttell the sincerity of it all. You see, fact that you say that you love Jesus is true in your heart. But do you love Jesus with the understanding of his true nature. This is why, we in Islam, are very clear about our love for all the prophets, (AS), Jesus included. In Qur'an, Allah says do not differentiate between the Prophets.

Babyosisi, do not abuse me by getting very harsh in your writing. This is my disclaimer to you. Leave the abuse to your male associates. They have no shame and lack cultural and moral respect to their elders.

Sometimes I get shocked by the light weightedness of the 'scholars' of christendon on nairaland. They say shalom and attach themselves to tightly to the Jews, a branch of the children of israel. Okay, the total population of the the children of israel. i mean the twlve trubes. I have news for you, the Jews do not care for you. They do not consider you you to be anything. Your support or lack of it, means diddly to them. I know, my lawyers and some of my corporate officers are jews. They call you gentile, a very derogative term, indeed. Yet, the christians claim that they are not worshipping the same God as the Jews, because the jews do not believe that jesus is son of God. But the companions of jesus and jesus himself wre like a sect within the Jewish people in general. They were trying to worship in the same pattern and light as moses and his companions did. But this two groups, the jews and the Christians use the same book, the Bible. Yet they disagree with each other. Within each group, you have splintter groups, etc, etc.

What comes to mind is the verse in the Qur'an which tells us about the jews and christians having the same book, but each group sticking with its own section of the book and completely disregarding the section that belong to the other. So the jews do not even look at the New testament whatsoever. The christians at best only pay lip service to the old testament. They will disregard the commandments like worshipping god alone, and no association and graven imaging. The dietary laws are completely disregarded. Eating of swine becomes fashionable to the christians. Yet, none of the two groups can disproof the above verse from the Qur'an. infact they make it come alive by acting according to yhe message of it. I remember a Rabbi who comes often to the Mosque on Fulton and Bedford in Brooklyn, NY, He said that they the jews consider the Christians as Idol worshippers. They worship a mre mortal. Some make representation of statue of him, or painting of him in a limping lifeless representation. Imagine what you have painted on the ceiling of the sistene Chapel. You have imagery of the cross which a large population hang around their necks. Then what about his mother that the Catholic pray to. Then even in Spain, they are adopting Seidah Fatima Zaras name (RA), and ignorantly attach an unacceptable significance to it. talk about paganism. Better yet, talk about hedenism, if one should go about all the nude paintings in churches and chapels. How can anyone truly worship in that kind of envitoment where nudity is all over the place!

Truly, when the devil has over a people, all kind of evil will seem to be alright. The evilness is masked. Please read about this phenomenon trickery of Saitan in Suratul mariam, towards the end of it. Allah said that He let the devil overcome the disbelievers. those who say that god has a son/child are in this group.