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@Belloti: As-Salaamualaykum. May Allah The Almighty continues to make your heart strong. May He forgive you all your sins, the past and the future, all together, as He did for those who participated in Badr. We can only try to talk to our brothers and sisters on Nairaland and the world over, indeed. We do not have power to change anyone. It is God, alone, in His Might and Power that can do it!

Please visit this website; www.shareislam.com. It is ownes by Sheikh Yusuf Estes, a former Priest from Texas. His family is one of the nobliest from Texas' Midland township. This website along with other contains extensive materials you can share with the folks of Nairaland. I tried, without any success to invite Babyosisi to it. But she will not have none of it. I am sure you are better on computer rgan me, hence you will be able to paste some of the writings so that Babyosisi and co., will just have to read.

I believe that if only that they are giving the tools to aggitate their family passed-on belief, then, maybe one may before death realise that God and Jesus are separate and their relationship to each other is Master and servant.

WWW.shareislam.com
www.answering-christianity.com
www.bilalphilip.com

@Babyosisi: You think your cherry picking of Qur'anic verses means anything to a true Believer? No, my dear sister. Any muslim who is embarrased by 'any' verse of the Qur'an is not a true muslim. Read the first 5 verses of suratul baqarah. that will dismiss your bias opinion of the Qur'an. As must as i am fond of you, i am very clear that you are wrong in your choice of religion. but of course, it is your hide, not mine. As stated before, if all that have been created amongst jinn and man, all together turn against islam, from Adam to the last man on earth, before it ends, Muhammad (AS) will be a majority. His lord, your God and mine, Allah the Almighty is on his side and He is sufficient as a Witness!

I hope you are okay in the warm southern state you are in. You should visit the North, sometimes. Let me know.

@TayoD: Its very shameful that you resulted to personal attack. Anyway, this does not face me. I had read the Bible. Seun is still reading it, maybe because of his parentage, his ownership of the board, seeking religion or for other reason.

My quoting Seun's entry is just a matter of supporting my argument, ven from the Bible. However, I am very happy with The Qur'an and Islam as a religion. I am actually trying to cultivate everyone, Seun included to the religion of truth.

I do not have to waste my time trying to read the Bible, because it will very difficult to know which publication, version and printing period of the Bible and which denomination is the real Christian Bible!

On this board, in another thread, the protestants are asking if the Catholics are even christians! Yet, the protestants are breakaway sects from the mother Roman catholic Church. So if they are asking if the catholics are christians, really they are asking themselves if they are christians. They just did not see it off the bat.

In the day of judgement, Allah the Almighty, will deep into fire of Hell, an individual who enjoyed the best of what the earth had offered. When this one will be removed from the single deep of hell, he will be asked'have you ever had any enjoyment since you had been created?' The one will answer; 'By Allah, I had never enjoyed, for I have only lived a miserable life!' This is just as a result of the single deep in Hell!

The reverse is the same for a one who never had a single time of goodliness on earth. The one will be deeped in Paradise and removed. The same question as above will be asked. In this case the answer will be 'By Allah, I have never suffered at anytime!' Why the fifference in answer? This is because Allah is Most Powerful! After mankind had perished by earthly demise as a result of death, He will recreat us, body and soul together! He will judge us all, alone in this authority.

Those belonging to Hellfire, He will be just on them, enacting His justice. This people of fire of Hell are reported to have a lot of flesh, so that they can be burnt, without any mercy. There skin being renewed to be reburnt again and again!
However, the People of Paradise are given mercy. For by the mercy of Allah, He had overlooked the evils that the people of paradise had committed and had multiple every good deed they had performed. Thereby the good deeds outweigh the evil deeds. One can see why the Qur'an says that this world is the jail of the believers. Even if you had enjoyed the best that this world had to offer, when you are in paradise, looking back at your live on earth, it will seem as if you were kept in jail, being deprived of the bounty of Jannah.

The ingredient to receive the mercy of Allah are two folds: True believe in Him, without any associating anything with Him in His Lordship and doing good deeds hoping for reward with Him, alone.

@Seun: Were the people who designed and oversaw your academic life, from Baby's class to the highest level of education, knew all and all loving, at the time you were under their academic authorities? Was it not the fact that they taught you what was relevant to your academic development and that you were tested on the materials taught? I believe that it was your performance in any of the test that allows the authority to know that you were a good student or not. Even though, the academic authority might have known your ability relative to that of your peers and capability to master the materials. Seun, it is your performance that was the yardstick and part of the cumulative effect of your person, today. Satan is also a means by God to evaluate mankind. He creates hearts in our breast and mind for us to reflect along with our brain to discriminate good from bad. Whoever believes and do good in God consciousness, will have the reward from God. Whoever does opposite and primarily does not believe in God, will receive God Justice from God. God is not unjust to His Slaves/creations.

This remind me of a story told to me yesterday; An ordinary person who believed in God and do good deeds according to his capability, died while waiting for a drink of water. At the same time, a wealthy and powerful man request his servant to go and get him a meal that he had a craving for. His servant told his master that the ingredients is out of season, but the master insisted anyway. So the servant went about to get the meal any way. Miraculously, the ingredient was gotten just in time. The master eat the food and after it died. The angels of Allah ask the All Merciful;'Oh, Lord of the Worlds, why did you deprive a believer from a drink of water before hedied and yet, you allow a tyrant king to have a food that is offseason, just by his request before he died'? The Lord of the worlds said to His Angels, ' Oh My Angels, I allow the tyrant to have what he wished for on earth, so that he can not complain that I was unjust to him. However, the believer will have his reward in paradise. He was happy that he did not have to wait for the drink of water on earth, because Paradise reward is greater and more lasting'.

Seun, do not let your limited knowledge of the unseen delude you to eternal destruction! None of us know what will happen to us moments from now. Its all in the future. No one can guarantee that he/she will live to a rightful old age of 100, as an example. Yet, 100 years is a short time for those people have lived it. Do not let your lack of knowledge of God continue to allow you to deny His existence! Refect on your own self and you will find God, your Creator!

@Belloti: Unfortunately, you see open hatred amongst this same group, the christians. A good example of this hate filled individuals abound on nairaland. This tells you that those among the christians who are sincere in their religion, do no rant like the crowd here on nairaland. They can't hold decent conversation, except that the curse, insult, yell and use the usual icon. Yet, they claim to be matured, grown and decent men and women!
I doubt, if they can have a sincere friendship with a Muslim! Anyone who is sincere, will have a critical look at Islam. You do not have to like the adherents to observe its purity from its books. Yet, you may end up not becoming a Muslim. But all these childish perception frustrate me. You will see white people asking you honest questions and debating you with the hope that you both can come out with some tangible gains and understandings. But the elites of Nairaland typify what one of the Imans of Islam said; If I debate an intelligent person, I will win. For an intelligent person reasons. However, if I debate an untelligent person, I will lose. An unintelligent person does not reason. He or she talks without any sense. He or she does not hear you.

@Bobbyaf; I read your entry immediately above . It seemed as if you are advising Ukor, to focus on Jesus alone. At the same time to disregard religion that seems to be very confusing. From this I will take it that you are actually suggesting that he should disregard or at best pay the littlest attention to the Bible and the religion of Christianity. Is this your suggest or am i off base? Please explain yourself, if you can.

If you are suggesting that Bible and christianity are to be paid the slightest attention at best, with the overwelming attention on Jesus, then one will be forced to ask; How do christians know anything about Jesus except from the Bible? Is it not true that those who concentrate mainly on Jesus, believing that he died for their sins are called christians? Is it not true that even from the generations of the companions of Jesus, people like Peter, Mark, Barnabas, etc, the tern christians was used to describe this group of religious people? Please note that Saul who became Paul was not from this primary companions of Jesus.

With all of the above, if one were to discard the Bible and the religion of Christianity, then there will be no source through which one will know anything about Jesus. The Jews do not even recognise him, even as a prophet. The jews believe that no more prophethood after Moses.

Then even in the Bible if you factor out Paul materials, which are directly opposite to the core companions of Jesus, eg Peter, etc, then the whole of the faith thing will be zero. the hypothesis will fall flat on its own weight.

But if you read the Qur'an, you will find thougt provoking statements; Jesus is no more than a prophet. But God , in the Qur'an do not stop there. He challenge man to think, reflect, ponder, observe,etc.

@Babyosisi: Evidently, you never take recommendation from anyone. Regardless of its potential usefulness to you. For examole, you posted your websites, I have visited most of them. You see, I am very comfortable with Islam. I know the truth. But I am always concern about my own deeds, since I am not an angel or prophet from God. Even in the Bible, most of God's prophets err. God did not protect them. In the Qur'an, you see the opposite. God shielded every prophet (AS) and defended them in many chapters of the allegations levied directly or indirectly on them by past nations, Jews and christians.

An indirect allegation, for example is the claim by paul and his cohorts that Jesus is son or God Himself! You know what i mean, the three in one hypothesis. In Suratul Al Maidah, you will see the conversation between the Lord of the worlds Allah the Almighty and His servant Isa bin mariam. The conversation categorically goes against the Biblical claim about Jesus.

But babyosisi, you have refused, stubbornly to even go to the websites that I recommend. I guess you have the fear of knowing the truth that you are wrong all along.

If you read the Qur'an, you will see how Allah the Almighty God, full of absolute power describes Himself. After all, if Juses is truly your God and it is not a saying of assumption in error, you will agree with me that you believe with almost the christian adherents that he at least died for part of the three days that you claim that he truly died. But Jesus is not my God, but only my prophet in islam. One of the successive human prophets and messengers of God. In the Qur'an, says that He is always alive, never tired, never warys, never sleeps, never dies, always ful lof power, etc. These qualities and more are unique, absolutely alone to my God. True and altinmate forgiveness and mercy belong to God, alone.

Thanks for asking about my whereabout. Sometimes I become very busy with this and that. I am spending my last weekend in Boston, InshaAllah and I will be heading back to my home in New York City, next saturday. My project in Boston is completed and I thank God the most Merciful Who all thanks really belong.

@Ndipe: I do not have to go to any website to know what Qur'an says about Jesus being Massiah. His Massiahship is restricted to the children of Israel. He was to bring them back to the religion of Musa, renewing the laws that guided that religion. So the book of Injiil was to provide the latest guidance at that time, back to the religion that Musa led his people by.

I try to read the Qur'an daily, in Arabic and by this, I understand Qur'anic Arabic language to an acceptable quality for me. I am still trying to better myself, but I do not need a christian website to understand Qur'anic defination of Isa bin Mariam (AS).

Infact, I do not need an Orientalist (Mutamushrik) to do this. I as a muslim agree with all that the Qur'an says.

@TayoD: I wonder what I said that was so foreign to you. In your Bible, you have where it is said that the pen of the scribes/rabbis have changed the words from their places. In other words, the book have been doctored by man from its original form. In the Qur'an, you will read that the Bible, which consists the Old testament, given to moses (AS), the Psalm, given to david (AS) and the new testament, given to Jesus (AS)  is deemed impure, doctored.
However, God said that the Qur'an will remain pure till end of time, because He, God will guard it. What i simply ask or really rhetorical put forward to Seun, is that why can the so called inspired writers of the Bible books, just identified themselves and say that they have been inspired to write this or that.

What i have seen or what I have been able to draw out, until it became known to me that there are many writers and many bible version, some having more books than the others and the verses of some chapters are no constant, in number and content, is that the inspired writers never identify themselves and always write for the known personalities of the Bible. Take the case of Jesus (AS), the ospels are written by unknown writers, but put each Gospel as 'according to' terminology! Why are there other Gospel writers since Jesus had 12 core companions. Let take away judas, you will have 11 left. You have only 4 Gospels, what happen to the remaining 7 cmpanions? We already agreed that Paul was not from this core 12 companion, less 1, Judas!
In so doing Paul will not count and at best a second generation person. In Islam, at best he paul will be a tabihin, not a sahabah, for sure. From Seun's entry, you will come to conclusion that some of Jesus' companions, Peter for example and maybe many others, disagreed with Pauls teachings, in the most mondane way, have problem with it.

Even though Paul was winning 'soul and mind' of the non Jewish people, Peter as demonstrated in Seun's entries from the book of peter in the Bible, there is a clear disagreement to Paul's style and method.

TayoD, if you need to correct me do so. Do not ask me to proof the irelevant. It is you who should think about what Seun said. How could Peter disagree with paul? If Paul was sincere, it would have been impossible for Peter do disagree with him. Afterall, Peter learnt from Master Jesus (AS), directly what truth is. On the other hand Paul did not learn from Jesus, while Jesus was alive, preaching his ministry.  

Dont attack me. You should be rational and therefore ask yourself it paul was disgenius. I will assume that Juses completed his mission on this earth. If this is the case, then Paul should within the boundary of what Jesus did, not beyound it and separate from it. Afterall, if Paul was within the boundary of what Jesus put in place, then Peter would never have any reason to dis agree with Paul.

@Babyosisi: I went to your frontpage and other websites. My opinion, as I read their entries about Islam, these websites are garbage. Not even fit for dogs. I am responding to them sometimes within the week. I am only going to encourage them to see answering-christianity and other sites, where all their allegations were completely answered.

However, I am personally inviting you to read a weekly periodical named Mirror. You get it on line by going to www.readmirror.com.
Please go to Wednesday , October 25, 2006 edition. You will find on page 5, an article written by Mr. Uri Avnery, a notable jew. the title of the article is 'Muhammad's sword. On the same page, you will see another article titled, 'prophet muhammad (AS) Charter of Privileges to Christians". This is a letter that he wrote to the Christian Monks of St. catherine Monastery.
When I read your entries, sometimes, i am shocked. You tend to think that you and your type can defeat Muhammad (AS)! You forgot that he was a prophet of God. God said that He alone, is sufficient as Witness for Muhammad. Even if Muhammad was alone and against him are all creations, Jinns, the whole animal and plant kingdoms and man from Adam  and all the prophets, Jesus included as well as Moses (AS), assuming, if the prophets were to be added to the opposition side against Muhammad, yet Muhammad will still win. Muhammad alone is a majority because he is supported by the Lord of the world.

Those who were open enemies of Muhammad (AS), are enemies of Allah, the Angels of Allah and all prophets and believing men and women. In time, their end is always tragic. they are cursed by God and all His creations and doom of fire of hell is their permanent home! Look at what happened to Abu lahab and his wife. I am advising you because i do not want you to be blinded by arrogance. Muhammad (AS) said, when God hates a person and wants punish that person, He allows that one to be arrogant. In time the person increase in arrogance and then he/she is doomed. It is arrogance that was the sin of Iblis, a being from the race of the Jinns. In time, because of the arrogance, he increased in pride and puffed up. Look at what will happen to him at the end. He, Iblis now known as Shaitan (Satan), will be the leader of hell!

You also used the term,  "Islamochristianity", because a person says that his God 'Allah', is alive and loves him. Is it the God of Christians alone that is alive and able to love? Do you forget that you said that your christian God died, at least for 3 days, while the Muslim God is always alive, never asleep nor even slumber? Please @;255 (Surah Baqarah, verse 255, also known as the verse of the throne) In the Qur'an, Allah the Almighty said in many verse sthat Muhammad should tell mankind that if they believe in Allah, mankind, individually should follow Muhammad. Allah will love them and will forgive their sins. In some adith, Muhammad (AS) said, that when Allah loves a person, He mentions it to the Angels, they, the Angels loves the person and other creations love the person.

@Orikinla: I am happy to know that your Uncle is a muslim. Please give him my email, rather give his email or phone to me, so that i may contact him. I hope I can paticipate with him in is Masjid project.

You had stated in an earler entry that i am probably ashamed or word to that effect. Yes, i am always ashamed of bad behaviours of any muslim, the world over and yes, indeed that of myself. It is the current continuous bad behaviours of muslim/muslim group that gives you and other the ammo the one that you are using to write, truth and lies. Truth when you talk about what we all see as current event. Lies, when you fiction and copy the fiction of others against prophet Muhammad (AS). My question to you is this what do you think of your Muslim Uncle and how do you sleep at night knowing fully well that what you have said about Muhammad (AS) is false?

@Seun: If Paul's writing is unreliable, then why should any follow his teaching or what he said about anyone, specifically Jesus? Is Paul one of the 12 core followers of Jesus? Who is better, any of the core 12 followers or paul who never was from this group? It seems as if what you are saying, Seun, is that Peter, from the group of 12, disagreed with Paul. Paul regardless was a lone ranger and went on a tangental rampage anyhow. Along the way disregarding these noble followers who remain on the essence of jesus' message, along the way making up 'stuffs' and therefore was able to win mind and soul.

I often ask myself this questions about the 'inspired writers' of the Bible; why is it that they do not use their own names and start their 'inspired writing', by saying, I, Mr/Ms. XYZ, have been inspired to tell you christians the following, ? You see, in this way one will clearly know who wrote what and when and why. It will also will give the exact true material that Jesus and any of the other prophets of Old and New testaments, separate and apart from what Paul, a Johnny come lately and others claimed are from Jesus and of course, what came from their own mind, experience or conjecture.

I think we should stick to the core question. We may use relevant arguments to make our points. So, my opinion is this, atheist do not believe in God. I now want to know if atheist believe in Hell? What do atheist believe Hell to be?

The other side of this argument is the group that believe in God. Under this group, you have subgroups; One subgroup that truly believe in God (Maybe). Many subgroups that believe, but the believe is wrong, (Possibly). The believer of God many subgroups, some how believe that his/her own subgroup is the true God believing subgroup.

Between the atheist group and the many subgroups, there is a probable One group that is right about God, the existence or no thereof. It is not possible that aitheist and believers, both could be wrong on this matter.  Again, it is also possible that all the beliver subgroups are wrong, but there is that likelihood that one of the subgroups is wrong. But it can be more than one subgroup.

As a muslim, Islam's books, the Qur'an is the dictation of God to Muhammad (AS), through Angel Jibril (AS), except few verses in the second chapter that Muhammad got directly from God. The sunnah/hadith collections are the actions and words and what are permit by Muhammad (AS). But the sunnah/Hadith are categorized from strong and sound to weak and probably false, based on the chain of narrations.

Havent said the above, I want to make it clear that any objective minded individual, will discover the existence of God upon studying the Qur'an and the authentic sunnah/hadith. How? Study the life of Muhammad itself. How is it possible that an illiterate  could give such exegeses  with tremendous accuracy in many specialized disciplines that the best minds of today are just discovering it! We must never forget that this man existed over 14 centuaries ago. His materials, the Qur'an and the Sunnah/hadith were and are still superior sources of academic informations, even though they are religious materials. Inshort, the books challenge mankind to reason, think, refect, observe, ponder, etc.

Can any right thinking individual with sound mind and good heart disbelieve in the existence after a thorough study of these noble sources? God said in the Qur'an, in Surah Asr (Time); 'Those who believe and do righteous work'. If you look at this verse, you will see that there are two parts to receiving God grace; believe in God and doing good work. The greater of the two is believing in God. It is also the one that is easier on the soul, heart and the whole body.

Doing good work is harder on the person, but becomes almost effortless, if one believes in God and doing it for the pleasure of God and hope to receive the reward from God. A person who truly believes in God find good work very easier to do, compared to if the same person is in the state of disbelieve. Prophet Muhammad (AS) said that those who are good before they believe are always the ones who are good when they believe. In essence, your quality of goodness is greater if you are a believer rather than when you are still in disbelieve.

@KAG: The 'Command, BE" is the starting point "Button", that God The Almighty use to put any thing that He decrees to a manifestation. So for example, when He decrees the creation of the earth, He but put the whole thing into a craetion motion/mode by saying 'BE", and it is!

About the continuous movement of the earth on its path,being explained away, by Gravity/motion under Keplers law, I will like to ask this question; Is Kepler's law completely explained everything and does Kepler knows everything? Kepler had limited knowledge and before him, the earth was already in its path and gravity was already in existence. God expained in the Qur'an's Surah Rahman that people should try to penetrate the space with the knowledge that he has. Please go to www.answering-christianity.com and look under the science and medicine in Qur'an and be dazzled.

The earth not bursting even though there is platonic activity and other geological activities in its core because God put balance into all of the activities under, on and over the surface of the earth, so that mankind may reflect. Even though, under the earth surface, you have molten lava and steam which will creat expansion, yet God allows the atmospheric pressure (both kinetic and potential in all their forms) and the occasional steam letting valves  ( earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, etc), the earth has continue to survice and support all of us, known and unknown. In the process of earth volcanic actvities, God allows the creation of the earth to continue. In this process, more land surface emmergies, often from under water as Island or part of already existing land mass.

As to your thought of mutation, it is impossible. First we as humanbeing are still discovering our earth. Just because we did not know it yesterday does not mean that it did not exist yesterday. It simply means that we did not know it then. One would ask why hasnt man mutated and function as 'normal since man appeared? I believe that Adam is the first man and he and me look exactly the same! Adam was created. Read the Qur'an. It is an invitation from your Lord and all who truly believe in Him.

God said in the Qur'an: 'And I did not creat Jinn and man, except that they worship me.' In another part, He the Almighty said: 'I am your creator and all that you creat.' In this second verse, God creats things anew, without ever any prior existence/example. So for example, when TV is created by man, man used the materials from the earth and himself/herself. God created earth and all the materials that man used to creat TV.
Man used himself/herself; the knowledge that God gave and all the hands, feet, etc. I believe I am over simplifying  
things. In the Qur'an's Surah baqarah, Allah said that He provide knowledge to Adam. So Adam knew things that were not even known by Angels until Adam was revealing them, by the permission of God, the Almighty.

@Elbaron: What I was requesting from you is that you should research the Qur'an, but you will not find in it where women are given low opinion, so blatantly like what you have been able to find in the Bible, without any sweat. Never mind, the culture of the arabs or others where islam is in a significant population. Unfortunately, these muslims have not shed the tradition of their people preIslam. These bad cultures were eradicated by islam. Unfortunately, as the time past and after many generations after the death of Prophet muhammad (AS), the people went back to these abandoned and unislamic cultures. They mix these renewed preislamic, unislamic cultures with what is accepted in Islam. Therefore, the non muslims may think that all of these, the unislamic and islamic behavious of the muslims as Islam. For example, the Saudi Arabians not allowing their women to drive cars is unislamic. The women in the time of Prophet Muhammad (AS) used to ride Camels or horses. Women used to be educated as well, because it is the first verse revealed to Myhammad; Read, addressing the whole community and to Muhammad, Proclaim. Muhammad also said that one should acquire knowledge even if it is in China. Can you imagine how far China was to the people who travel by camel or horse? Islam gives men and women equal responsibilities in Belief, Salah, Saum, Zakah, Hajj, etc.

@nferyn: You seem to be accusing anyone who claims that God does exist as foundamentatist "ignorant". Would you no think that these people who have the opinion that God does exist may think that the like of you is exactly what you accuse them of?  But this is not what I am making my entry about.

You seem to be asking everyone who believes in God that to give you a proof. Your hypothesis then centers on the fact that no one can proof it, because no one has seen God. I for one is a muslim. In the Qur'an, God through this revelation to Muhammad (AS), says you can not see Him, but can feel the effect of His existence through all things and even indeed, yourself! Please reflect on yourself; the the perfect working of the machine that is you. The process of food intake to the removal of the waste of this food; inbetween, you have mastication of that food by chewing in the mouth, lubricated with mixture of mouth saliva. (In just this first process, you have the tongue, teeth mouth walls and you are tempted to ask yourself, how does the saliva comes to existence?0.

Of course, upon thorough chewing, you swallow the food through the ausophagus. In this process, the food is soft enough to take the tube like shape of the pathway.  It also absorp some heat and comes even softer as it moves towards the stomach.  When it gets to the stomach, it would have becomes soft enough and encounters such processes that complete digestion will be possible in the stomach. Of course, when applicable the right acitidy from the bile solution of the bileduct is involved in this process of digestion.  Please consider the many muscular movements, specifically in the stomach during this digestive process. Even as the body contains acid, it does not do any damage to the soft interior wall of the internal organs.  

The digested food is now being absorbed, the nutrient into the body, leaving the rest, the not nutrient part. The nutrient part is transported through the the blood to the body organs which absorb it. The not nutrient part of the digested food, the waste part is somewhat harder, but not dry and harsh as iy moves down to the bowel to be excreted. This waste product is deficated as excremen and urine. The organs coagulate, forcing the excremen out of the body through the lubricated surface of the internal organs forming the transporting systems; the large and small intestines and the colons and rectum. The lubrication and the complex movements of the transporting organs makes the removal of the waste product easy on the body as adequate. This also mentain the health of the body. The removal of this waste product prevents it from poisoning the body nd the lubrication prevents the tearing of the wall of the internal organs. Inshort, the the body machine works.

As to the nutrients,it is transported by the oxygenated blood and absorbed as such. It benefits the body as it relates to growth, fighting deseases in form of a means of producing the necessary amount of antibody, etc. We can see how complex, this very small function of the total living process of man. Within this process, you have milk producing process, in a woman when she needs to nurse. Of course, it is this intake of food process, all through to the final process of nutrient absorption and defication of the waste process that you have growth , for example in youth to adulthood, whereby one is even able to be matured to be involved in production itself.

Now, nferyn, this is just a small part of the proof of the existence of God. God said in the Qur'an that there is iron (fe), in the body. Another proof this is, clearly, since it was not known by the scientist community 14 centuaries ago. How was it possible for this Arab illiterate, Muhammad (AS) was able to know this in makka? A guess work? No. Hardly, since there are so many of that very high scientific exegesis. You need to read the Qur'an before you response, intelligently, not foundamentalist ignorant, full of pride.
Finally, I will like you to consider this fact; Do you believe there is Blackhole in our galaxy, indeed in the milky way? Has anyone seen blackhole? But it is not true that the effect of blackhole is felt on the gases/matters as the come close to it? If this is the case, that no one has seen the blackhole, but the effect are known on matters that comes close to it, then I ask a question, which I should be provided believeable answers, not just hypothesis. The Jews, Christians and Muslims believe that there is God, even though no one can see Him (I use the male gender here denoting power, not because I as a muslim believe that God is a male).Tthe same God says that He creats all things. Then it is not rational to believe Him, even in a greater sense as you believe the existence of Blackhole? It is God by His firm command of BE (A sound process that is called the Big Bang theory (Theorem), by those who believe in accidental ocurenceof being, by so doing consciously denying the Creator, Who  metered everything with the appropriate order). I believe that when God speaks, the sound should be louder than any other sound of any and all things created. So the Be of His command that starts creation should be the Biggest bang. But in this case, it is not a theory, but a reality that started the event of creation. For it it is believed that before creation process begins, God was alone in His majesty. He was not lonely or in need of company. He creates according to His will. He does not oppress His creations. He gives order to all things. He creates Paradise and Hell to reward the believers by His mercy, punish the disbelievers by His justice.

@nferyn: Could you then tell me how the universe and all that it contains are such in perfect order, consistently, for this long. I mean from the time of the Big Bang (Command; BE). Let use the earth as a very good example. How is it that it has remain to traverse its orbital ring, without going out of that charted path. How is it that it has not bursted and pulverized into dust, knowing fully well that there is a continous and active forces in its core, eg volcanic activities, platonic activities, below the earth surface,etc, etc. Is there any mutation in the nature, that when it is examined, it will be separate and different from that one things its mutated from?

Why is it that human physiology has remain distinct and has not mutated. So that you know, I am not a christian and therefore, I do not subscribe to the Bible. But i do believe in God the Almighty.

@nferyn: Is it then your opinion, based on religious inductrination, that God is similar to any of His creations?

@Elbaron: Could post, from the Qur'an, verses where Women are given low opinion, in the same way you have been able to quote from the Bible. Is it possible that in the Qur'an that you have a negative qualification for women, whereas men are given positive qualification on the same isssue?

Part of what Layi wrote yesterday is as follows; It might sound good, but ideal is not always reality.

Same day, Dominobaby wrote; There is no way a human being, born of flesh can be so 'good', as to be equated to 'righteousness'. it takes the grace of God.

My concern is that if you fuse the two above together, you will actually find a rather more complete truth. If you apply the litmus test of the Uniqueness of God to it, it will completely go against the position that Christianity, using the thesis of Paul, for the most part as elevated Jesus. The Ideal, even though it sound good, is it plausible and therefore true? Is it not that Jesus was born of flesh, through his mother? Is this type of vessel, the fatherless and nonconjugal conception/birth of Jesus, so unique to the animal kingdom or today's many ways of conceptions?

In the animal kingdom, the soldiers and the workers of this colony is from unfertilized eggs. Worms and other simple animals, like amoeba reproduce by asexual means. Even now, there is test tube baby birth and other form of artificial inseminations. In general, God has a unique nature; He has no beginning, no end, does not have any resemblance to mankind. He is unique in all respect. He is indivisible.

A friend was advicing yesterday, not to argue with anyone concerning islam. He asked, if the Prophet (AS), argued with any non muslim as to their belief. I said no. However, he reminded me that the prophet send jafar (RA), to yemen, with the first instruction to preach the Oneness of God to them. If they accept, because at that time, you had Jews and christians and others with the tiniest population of Muslims among this people, then, tell them that salah is enjoined upon them. If they accept, then, tell them what is next, like Zakat, Siam, hajj, etc, etc.

here and now, I say to you that there is no god/deity to be worship, except Allah (The God) and Muhammad (AS) is His messenger and last of the chain of prophets, and Isa (AS), son of mary is His messenger and messiah sent to the Children of Israel.

If you refuse to accept islam, a way that is revealed to all the prophets, please know that we are at least Muslims, worshipping, and submitting our will, all together, to God in Islam. Even though we are not perfect in our dealing and deeds, we will continue to strive for improvement, seeking forgiveness and pray for the mercy of Allah.

Certainly, those who are in the manifest error are those who die on the belief of association with God. Certainly, there is death, asignal for the beginning of Judgement. There is day of Judgement, where the deeds of everyone on the earth will be put on the balance, upon which some will receive justice to Fire of hell and some will receive the mercy to the felicity of Paradise.

@elbaron: You should review Orikinla's entries. You will find that he is obsessive, in his unrelenting quest against Islam. I guess Nigerian muslims are providing his ammo for his entries. i am sure that orikinla would not care a bit, if his people in Nigeria are not having such an awful experience. A proof of that is that on Niaraland, some christians are equating Roman Catholic to paganism. I know that Orikinla is Roman Catholic and it is not true that the protestant sect of christiendom is a breakaway from Roman catholic. please do the math. Who are really PAGANS!

@Babyosisi: Have you taken advantage of the website that I provided? You will see where the christian scholars are saying that Jesus did not die on the cross. It is from The Acocryptic of Peter. I am sure Peter, a companion of jesus would know more about Jesus that paul, who was a total stranger to Jesus! Experience it. Then get back to me.

By the way, your sister is a very logical person. Very rational. She is a Lawyer, so the illogical thing is not part of her. She is beautiful and smart. You can can say that she is desperate. The thing is that she has a pure heart and God has favored her.

@elbaron: You should review Orikinla's entries. You will find that he is obsessive, in his unrelenting quest against Islam. I guess Nigerian muslims are providing his ammo for his entries. i am sure that orikinla would not care a bit, if his people in Nigeria are not having such an awful experience. A proof of that is that on Niaraland, some christians are equating Roman Catholic to paganism. I know that Orikinla is Roman Catholic and it is not true that the protestant sect of christiendom is a breakaway from Roman catholic. please do the math. Who are really PAGANS!

@Babyosisi; All thanks belong to Allah. Full glory belongs to Allah and may His mercy cover all His prophets and Messengers (AS, jami'a).  Muhammad (AS), said that those who are destined for Paradise will do the things of people of Paradise, even when they are just armlength away from Hellfire. The same is for the people of Hellfire, who at first are doing things of paradise. God knows the heart of all His creations. He reveals the truth of the person and therefore dies in the actual nature and goes to the destination that befits said Body and soul!

Babyosisi, the wife of Prophet Lut (AS), died/perished with her kind, the people who preferred to be engaged in the wrong type of sexual activities. Also, the wife and a son of Prophet Nuh (AS), perished in the flood with those who  did not believe. God knew their true nature and He laid it bear for the world to see and learn from it.

The flipside to this story is Asia, the wife of a tyrant, Pharaoh of Musa (AS). This woman believed even as her husband was an open enemy of unparallel level to God and His messenger, Musa (AS) and his brother prophet Haruun (AS).

@Orikinla: Is this about me? Hiding? Hardly! InshaAllah, you will see me soon. I do not hide now run. I am under the protection of God, the Almighty. If you think that only nonmuslims are Doctors, then there lies your ignorance. If you think that the atrocities that you see that are performed by muslims are advocated by Islam, again there lies your ignorance. Unfortunately, most human being mix culture with religion and it becomes very difficult to separate both. I know better.

In the day of Judgement, those who go to Hell will wish that they are back to the earth to live , even if the life they lived on earth was the most miserable. To the life in Hellfire, it would be as if they had been in Paradise.

If however those who had enjoyed the best of luxury on this earth, were fortunate enough that they have done enough that they receive the mercy of God, hence become people of Paradise, when they look back to their live of opulence on the earth, it would have been as if they had been in Prison all along on earth.

You should know that the fire of Hell is meant to punish. It is incomparable to the fire that we have on this earth. Even though the fire that we have on earth is created for our benefit, eg, for cooking, to keep warm, to ward off danger, like animals, to illuminate, etc, yet if you mistakenly have the wrong contact with it, you will be afraid of the punishment of God. About 2 years ago, I was boiling water for tea, unfortunately, I was also engaged onthe phone, whereby as I handled the cup, the water spilled on the base of my thumb. Today the scar is very distinct on my skin. I do not want to get punished in Hell. This is the exact destination of those who associate god with God. Be that god be an Angel, a noble prophet (AS) or tangible thing or other.

@Babyosisi; There is no reason for me to boast! Boastfulness, is arrogance. I do not want to be arrogant. Now, there is no practicing muslim that i know who has ever converted. However, i have known people who were born muslims, who never practiced Islam a day in their life that are now christians. These people are right in my own family.

However, what I want you to know is that it is easy for people to go for christianity vis a vis Islam. The reason is that people some what want people to carry their water for them. You will find the people rushing into christianity, because it allows them not to be responsible. Jesusalready died for them! So rhey can do anything that they want.

Let me give you this section of the www.answering-christianity.com, whereby you will hear notable christian scholars giving account that will turn the hypothesis of crucifixion, upside its head! Go to the HOLY BIBLE PROJECT section and then scroll down to sections 1,2 etc, under this. You will be able to watch/listen to the Peter apocryptic document/gospel. You will be amazed.

It is very interesting to note that if Jesus truly died and just believing in that death guarantees paradise, then one will wonder what will happen to the likes of Hitler and his associates. They were christians and probably delieved in Jesus as the Bible has preached it. One will then ask if it is necessary to do any work of goodness, along with that'belief in Jesus' death.'

I am just asking, from what point is the blanketted believe in the death of Jesus and his saviorship start, from when he was born,when he was baptised, when he began his mission, or when. Just in case someone died before Jesus died, or according to the Bible rose up the third day (72 Hours), what happen. By the way from Friday evening to Sunday morning is not up to 48 hours, using any system. Would grace of Jesus covered those who were before him, eg, Adam, Noah, Ibrahiim, Moses, etc.

Where are the Christian Bible 'Scholars' to help explain this topic away? The 12 disciples are supposed to judge the 12 tribes of Israel. I guess, the tribe of Judah (Jews), will be judged among them. Often, people forget that there are still other 11 tribes along with thetribe of Judah (Jews).

Who will judge the other christens and everyone else. Who will judge Jesus. Where is God in this fantastic equation. Whats God role. Has God turn over His role over to someone else or we the people are the one assigning the role of God to someone else.

@Orikinla: Would you ever stop? These lies are just too blatant. You seem to be obsessed with Islam. Focus on your religion, if it is truly that you are achristian. Even some of the christians, the protestants do not believe that Roman Catholics are christians. Yet, the Roman catholic sect was where the protestant sect broke away from.

If your Bilquis Sheikh of pakistan really exist, we would have heard about her in America. Your 66 former muslims, now christians is a fantastic number. One will be forced to ask why are white people, men and women are coming into Islam, almost as it was a flood gate open to gush out water! We can understand the condition of the Blacks, who are decendants of former slaves. Afterall, the slavery affected Muslim part of Africa just as well.

You want to know about Islam, do it with open heart and in honesty, not with deseased mindset.

In the Al-Qur'an, in the Chapter known as 'The Table spread', for the benefit of non arabic speakers, Jesus told his companions and people who listen to him (AS); Worship God and associate nothing to Him. Who ever does not that, the Paradise will be forbidden to such a person. Such will be codemn into the Hell, where such will remain forever.'

In this verse, about, we see that the paradise is created for people who trul believe and worship and do good work as musch as possible, for the sake of God, seeking reward only from God, thereby. It does not matter, if the description of Islamic Paradise 'Jannat', is very difficult for those who are not muslims to grasp/understand. The point is that it is forbidden to such a person to enter!

@Tanicarr; On this thread, I read your ndescriptions of Jesus (AS), along with others . You called him all kind of entity, from angel, archangel, created, the word and at long last the he was God and even better than God to judge!

My sister, before Jesus was created by God, is it your opinion that God did not speak, hence did not have audible voice? I wonder when did God have voice, whereby when He speaks, His words can be heard? Were the Angels of God not created before Adam, the first man, who was created before Jesus? When Jesus came to the earth through his birth by his mother, was Michael (The Archangel, according to you), still among the Angels? In other word, was Michael, playing Jesus on earth and 'Archangel' in heaven?

The allusion to Jesus being Angel, Archangel, God and even better than God and therefore he is capable than God to issue Judgement is wrong! What Jesus is, is just prophet of God to his ward, the Children of israel, who he ministered to. He was also created. See Jesus never overstepped his boundary! God' words are always audible to the intended hearers; The Angels of God, eg, Angel gabriel. Also, to Prophet Moses, in many instances, eg, at the burning bush! What you need now is really to find the real process of worshipping God, without any wrong fundamental approach.

@Wumine: Thanks for your honesty. One of the thing that I noticed about you was your eagerness to advocate peace, between people. One does not have to be religious in order to be a good person. Goodness is inert in everyone. Some people try very hard to repress the good quality that God endows them with. I stated in my first response to you that i assumed that your name is Wumi. You see, my favorite niece from my older sister is Wumi as well. She is like a daughter to me.

Now to the topic of religion. Islam is not an easy religion to come to. However, when you are from christian family. It is time consuming and turns everything you know up on its head! My mother who is about 80 years old just turned to Islam in the past two years. I have always been muslim, even though i was raised by this former christian, when she was still a christian. I went christian High School and married a christian woman, after University who gave me two sons.

Infact, a majority of the muslims, do not know much about Islam. This is why you see some practice adultery or fornication, even though the law against it and the punishment for it is very clear. This is just an example. I did not really know that much about Islam, until i was in my forties. Even though, i always pray, fast etc. Islam is more than the five pillars. The first pillar which is belief in Oneness of God and prophethood of Muhammad (AS). This first pillar has 72 levels, the list of it is removing an obstacle from the path of people, so that they do not get hurt. What the muslims around the world are doing, if is bad is unislamic. If you want to learn about islam, you learn ait from the examples of Muhammad (AS), his companions (RA), the next two generations after his companions (ra). You can know from your heart what is good.

Look wumine, I am an investment banker. When I learnt about Interest (Riba and its consequences), I divorce myself from that portion of banking that is mired in interest based operation. I guess if one knows when one is going to die, then you can wait as long as it is necessary to begin to change from complacancy to true worship. But we do not know and there is the real situation. This is why you should worship your Lord, in the way He should be worshipped and do not associate any partnership with Him. Hellis real and its an awful destination.

When you need a friend and a support, I will be available to you. I pray that the light of guidance of God, the Almighty enters your heart and make your path easy. Amiin.

@Mickyarams: I wish to know where I stated that christianity are practiced freely in saudi arabia. However, i do know from Qur'an and Sunnah that no non muslim is allowed in Makka and Madina. The action of the Saudi family is not always the action that is in line with Shariah. Further, before 1948, there was no place known as Israel. However, the land of Palestine was always a land the Palestinians never stopped the Jews/Children of Israel from living in.

If one was to believe your hypothesis, one will believe that no arab is educated.Yet, you use their numbers,the zero concept is develped by them. Further, in all field of sciences and medicine and engineering, you have arabs. I went to engineering school with some arabs, they were very good in the fields of engineering. This remind me of a nigerian who is married to an american wife. When she visited nigeria, she saw Shagari's picture as the president! She was surprised that the American president was not the president of Nigeria. If one does not think thoroughly enough, people of the advanced world may think that the people of the third world are unable to take care of themselves. I am trying to draw a parallel for you in your accessement of the 'arabs' versus the'israel' concept. Most Jews, indeed the Zionists among them are envious of the wealth the arabs do naturally are blessed with and this same Zionists do their hardest to continue to have disunity among the arabs and indeed the muslims of the world.