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@Feelgood: You are right. It is about Jesus. However, we need to be accurate about it. If I did not point out the qualities share by all the prphets of God with Jesus, who is one of them, to a person who is with subject mindset may believe that jesus is exclusively unique in your presentation. I also disagree with you in some valed attachment you imposed on him, eg death and rising.

@Babyosisi: Sometimes, I am tempted to call you aburo. Its a term of endearment for. But of course, I do not know where you stand in matter of friendship. You will provide website and when i visit it, i always find this vague references. This is is always the case, when your site quotes name(s) of 'former Muslims'. its alway in aremote and never a name is shown. I have a woman in your Geogia location, specifically Atlanta. Her father was the former Balogun of Ijebuland, Alhaji AbdalGhanyy Olatunji ABu Bakr. Her big brother is my friend. She was actually firting with me at one time. Neither me nor her family members who are still muslims have put any undue pressure on her to revert back to Islam which she left, while her father was alive. You see, to say that it is the norm for muslim to force anyone to accept islam is a falacy. So why are these people hiding their faces or identity. Islam is save and muslims are very satisfied. Rhere is a saying of thank that muslims say all the time: I am grateful to God Who has given me Islam as a way of life.

@Feelgood: Please do not misunderstand me. My entry is not to demean Jesus, or even given an impression of competion with him and any prothet of God.

In the Qur;an, in the chapter known as confederates, Allah says that we should give greetings and wishing good on Muhammad if believers know what is good for them. In this case, when you say aleysalaam at the mentioning of Muhammad, you receive reward. Muhammad said that the Lord of the world will let his soul reunite with his body so that he can return the greeting and the angel will pray for you at the same time. Can you imagine whats happening to Muhammad (AS) 24/7 by this action of believers all over the world? Myhammad and even his followers and other prophets are called Seidina, meaning master! Muhammad is also called teacher. Every word, action and all that he permitted was recorede and no one had changed it, nor paraphrased it deleted any. Infact, Muhammad (AS) said who ever attach any statement or action to him which is false, should take his/her place in Hell. Muhammad (AS) healed many people and show a means that believers continue to heal themselves. The whole Qur'an from Suratul baqarah is an answer of the prayer in Suratul fathiha. Muhammad and his followers, while alive and even after death, won many battles even without raising any hand, without any bloodshed. A case in point, their entry to Egypt, helping the coptic against the vatican, was just by the muslims using their chewing stick. The Lord of the world comfounded this people that they saw the muslims as if they were sharpening their teeth to devour them. Many Kingdom and Empire fell just by the muslims saying that they want justice. Even Rome crumbled at the thought of going against the muslims, during the khalifate of Umar. Muhammad won and lost battles, so did his followers. Today's condition of the muslims is a good example. In the face of oppression, most muslims will not flinch. Islam of Muhammad is still entering the hearts of people. American white and others are yearning for Islam. You said that Jesus was crucified. This is coming from you. Muhammad was hated by the enemies of Islam, yet he did nor did his true followers compromise their belief. A Jewish woman gave him poisoned meat. Yet the meat told him that it was poisoned. Muhammad is buried and his grave is protected and he is the most beloved to mankind, people praying and praising him 24/7. Never tired of wishing him well. Muhammad lives today as he lived while on the surface of the earth. Muhammad (AS) told us to emulate all the prophets (AS), Jesus included among them. I sometimes dress up like Jesus myself. Wearing Jilbab, with my shawl wrapped around my head . I do also dress up like Moses as well. Today, People dream of Muhammad. I have dreamt of him and the dream is very vivid to me on mount Arafat, performing Hajj in his company (AS)! Inshort, you spoke about the quality of the Prophets (AS), except your hypothesis of his dying, and raising, which I disagree with you on. See.

@Alexis: I directed you to the website, hoping you will find benefiting knowledge about the Bible, Jesus of the Bible and paul/formerly saul. Unfortunately, you do not see anything worth your while.

Now to your question of if Islamic Paradise is mainly for man; the answer is capital NO. Funny enough, as I writing this piece, CNN is reporting the new 'crisis' brewing in the vatican/Roman catholics sect of the christendom. It is the old issue; to marry or not to marry dilemma. You and your brothers will agree, even in your hearts, maybe ashamed to tell a disbeliever in CRUCIFIXION like me that it is unnatural for grown men and women who are full of sexual energies to abandone this natural pleasure, for no prevailing and compelling reason whatsoever! Maybe you could do it for a certain period of time, a banking term known as cool off period. But certainly, not for ever, especially when you are still young and in this day and age.

If you read the Qur'an, you will find many verses which address believers. In this case, believers are men and women, then they reach age of puberty. They are given the same responsibility in worship and competition in doing good deeds. In suratul Fajr, as an illutration, you will find the last verse addressing people of jannah. It is a cogender place. God does not discriminate based on gender, but it is only on believe or lack of it in truth and the doing of good deeds for His sake, alone.

There are many hadiths where women are indicated to be people of jannah. For example, all the companions of the prophet, the men and the women of them, from his family and outside of it, the ones who died in slavery and the free among them, all are people of Paradise. The journey of Muhammad (AS), to heaven was an event you should know about. He left from the Masjid Ummar in Masjid Aqsa sherif. The Jews and christians who have knowledge acknowledge this event. Aqsa is in Jerusalem. It is the same vicinity that malaika Jibril (AS) appeared to and gave Mariam, Ummuh Isa bin Mariam (AS) the news of his birth. In this journey, before Muhammad (AS) got to the first heaven, in the company of Jibril, Muhammad smelled a heavenly fragrance. Muhammad has a pertion for Fragrance. Jibril told him that the fragrance was the fragrance of Asia in Jannah. Asia was the wife of Pharaoh. Asia was a believer who was married to a tyrant and a disbeliever, an open enemy to Allah Taala. The mother of Isa bin Mariam (AS), is also a person from Jannah. The qualification for Jannah is not limited and restrict or reserve for male, alone. It is reserve for believers in the Oneness of God and obedience in worship and doing as much good as you can for the pleasure of God and hoping in His mercy and forgiveness.

My mother was a christian for all her years until less than 3 Ramadans ago. I spoke to her about converting to Islam, when I realised that familly members will be united together in the day of Judgement. Those who receive the mercy of God and thereby rewarded with a station in Paradise will not co mingle with those who receive justice from God and send to the fire of hell because they do not receive the mercy of God. Knowing fully well that God the Almighty states in Suratul Almaidah (The table spread) that He has completed His favor on mankind in giving Islam as a complete religion for which one will receive His mercy. And that whoever comes with anything different will be rejected and not acceptable. I knew that I must at least tell her about it. This was after 911. By the way, from my apartment's window, in New York City, I saw the second airplane hitting the second tower. I also saw them crashing down as if it were controlled implosion. Please go to google.com, then click on video after you enter 911 in the search box. Thre is wealth of information, all from 'White American and Europeans'!

I am happy that my mother converted to Islam. It is comforting that she will be united with me and my siblings and my father. God willing. If you think for a moment, what will be the difference between Hell and Paradise? If hell is torment, the opposite must apply to Paradise. If hell is punishmet, paradise must be pleasureable. You must know what i am saying by now. Then if this earth has its degrees of happiness, then I would imagine that Paradise pleasure must be very superior and devoid of any real effort to attain. I remember that one of the 'men of knowledge' amongst the christians of Nairaland, wrote about the Abu Dhabi's one world's 7 stars rated hotel. He thinks this pleasure is something to talk about. But he forgot that this hotel is only a man made, located in the heart of Islamic world, owned by Arab Muslims. The truth is that this hotel is nothing in its pleasure to what the people of jannah will experience. Sex is part of human pleasure. In Paradise, it will not be a source of fatgue for men and women. Which is the mercy of your Lord will you deny!

@Babyosisi: The rapture concept, if it is true will make those who will be in it be one up on Jesus of the Bible! Wouldn't this be so? But if this concept is just a terrible falacy, then the great expection, the big bang effect will be a very cruel joke ending up whimppily. If any group from among the christians were to be given the special previlege of not tasting death, i will believe that it would have been the companions of Jesus! You and me will agree that their faith and belief in the ministry of jesus will be stronger than any later generations. If this rapture has not happened then, it may be that it will never happen.

Unfortunately, since the concept was developed, there must have been countless people who had hoped that it will happen in their time, but instead experience the unavoidable event which is death! My sister, do not get caught up in this more than you have already. This is a wake up call to you. You are a smart woman, i hope you will not be shocked when reality sets in. At the point of death it will be too late for repentance.

@feelgood: On one hand you spoke about God not being a man, not being son of man and capable of doing anything. Then immediately, you said that god came to earth as a man in the person of jesus, son of God! Do you see the opposition in this entry you have provide to wumine? Are you writing to make her feel good? If this is your intention, you have greatly suceeded! However if you are hoping that she receives mercy from God the Almighty, then you need to examine your own core belief. There is only one God and He is the Lord that can truly save. Jesus was not the first to speak the truth and stood on it. He was not also the last to do so. Father Ibrahiim (AS), was thrown into the fire for his steadfastness. Noah did not waiver throughout his 950 years on earth. the fact that Jesus (AS) said that he was the truth to Pilate, who was dumbfounded by it proved that Jesus was in the same belief and conviction of truth as strongly as those who were on the same line of truth as him. This did not make Jesus stand alone among mankind, born from the body of women. Infact, Musa (AS), in the face of a worse oppressor never flinched. He opposed pharaoh in the strongest of firmness until pharaoh perished. Even then he opposed and judged all the children of israel as long as God permitted him to shepard them. He gave life and pronounced death sentence on them. Even, the leader of the rebellion of Golden calf was cursed and it took effect, right there and then!

Sin is devoid of moral quality. It is no agreeable to heart and lacks human decency. You will know it in your heart. You may not be ashamed of it, but your soul and heart do feel the pang of the impending emotional letdown. You know it when you witness the performance of it, if you are sincere with yourself.

I am not trying to be disrespective to Jesus or any of God's prophets. However, some one said that jesus died to save the world, yet others said that he is the creator, etc, etc. My question is this; If he is the one that created and the only one that can save, why did he have to allow himself to die so that he can save? Who is he going to save people from, himself? Is there a God different and separate from Jesus? If there is this Powerful God, who is complete in every respect, then, this God would not need jesus to died and be slaughtered so mercilessly so that God then forgive mankind. God Who is complete and full of power to do all things would deal with everyone, on an individual basis under a certainly established guidelines of rules and laws of commandments, which has its core remaining unchanged throughout the history of mankind. This will allow essentially a core quality requirement for Justice and mercy given.

@gbade.x: Muslims do plenty of inhouse condemnations. In all the masajid that I have ever been, they talk about this ill. You have CAIR and other USA based organisations involved in this effort, too. Further www.readmirror.com will also guide you. www.harunyahya.com has a book written on terrorism,etc. You can also go to www.answering-christianity.com for additional research.

@Babyosisi: Please go to www.sudanembassy.org for the Darfur conflicts. I have been speaking to Sudanese people since this conflict began. They said to me that raping is really not in the natural behavioural quality of Sudanese males. I for one have seen many of their old men who could have taken as members of my family. A good number of them have Yoruba tribal facial marks. Also the Hausas and Yorubas, in the days that they used to go to hajj on horses, camels, etc, some decided to reside in Sudan on the way back. This morning a sudanese was telling that the vice president of Chad has his bloodline still in Sudan. So you see the Sudanese and the Chadien are the same people. Most of the people of Darfur are Hafith of Qur'an. What this man is saying is that Sudan has a good amount of Uranium and her enemies are so concerned of its relationship with iran and China. It has been proven that an ancient emperor of china was half black. This also goes to how Muhammad was able to know about China. Then his (AS) saying of seeking knowledge is important, even if you have to go to China for it, makes perfect sense to me. This also explains the raisin head issue that you are hung up on. Please know that there are different texture to black peoples hair, from straigh out silky that you find in India and the asiatic region to the hard nappy type that is very common in Africa. However in the eastern and across the northern part of Africa and some tribes in the west, eg Fulanis of Guinea next door to, you have variety of kinks. Some when the hair is short, they wrap up to almost individual strands, like the conked/treated hair, the luster, S curl or jherry curl types of yester years. Since Ethipia was the first place that the muslims migrated to, they must have known about this place and it would be a first place of reference to them, next to Makka. There was slavery being practiced among men and Ethiopia was no exception. Muhammad (AS), came with his brand of Islam to eradicate slavery, from the get go. You will find that the early muslims in Makka freed the slaves that they had and paid for the freedom of their brothers and sisters who were slaves under non muslims. Sayiddina Bilal bin rabah, the muhadhinn of the prophet was ransomed by Abu bakr.

Just because there was no slavery in islam did not mean that there was none in Ethiopia and the rest of the world. Infact this was longtime before the Europeans brought their own brand of slavery and indenture labor oppression to the rest of the world. Muhammad (AS) informed his followers (RA) that if they are in a community of muslims, and the best man is even still under slavery, his role as a leader should never be compromised and disrespected even before he is ransomed from this oppressive condition known as slavery.

babyosisi, I also had gone to the savedarfur.com site. What you have is the sponsorship being mostly jews and zionists. Why? By the way this Sudanese brother is black and consider Sudan to be a black people country. I am not putting skin color in the equation, but i am just repeating what he said, in response to my concer of rape and oppression. Evil perpetrated in any place on any people, be the perpetrator be a person, group, community, race and ethic barometer or country and civilization using wealth, military or idealogical distinction, any and all of the above is evil.

@alexis: I direct you to www. answering-christianity.com for answers to your questions and inquiries.

@Enugu:As I have stated earlier, people like you are a breath of fresh air. This quality is a rarity among the elites of Christianity of nairaland. Just take a quick glance and you will read what the leadership is upto. It amount to ranting and rage. It is all for nothing.

If you read the Qur'an and the explanations provided in authentic Sunnah and the history of Muhammad (AS) and his followers and the 2 generations of the muslims which followed, you will find the finest in Human kindness and best quality of human behaviour. I will not point a finger of blame to the christian west for the woes in the rank of the muslims, the world over. Rather, I willblame the hypocrites among the muslims who are using Islam to further their own personal agenda, or allow themselves to be used by the enemies of Islam to undermine the strenght and unity of the Muslims.

These muslims are at least ignorantly in the ranks of the enemies of Islam. If only temporary, they have allowed people to look at islam from the wrong prism. Islam governs all aspects of the Muslims' lives. Politics is no exception. Unfortunately, the ignorants are using this inseparation between religion and politics in an unIslamic way. They are lashing out, waging illegal war and even killing other muslims! Allah commands muslims to be rational and do not transgress the right of anyone. He commands also, that muslims must be practical and never be immotional and kind and merciful, always. It is abomination for a muslim to kill any muslim, or people unjustiably. Wars are never fought by choice and by pockets of people or group. Even muslim engage in fight, there are rules of engagements. Muslims the world over are support to fight as one body. In other words, the total 1.5 Billion muslims are to fight, all together. This is not the case here and now. What you have then is illegal protocol of war and it is wrong. The muslims need to have a unification under a Khalifah and then begin to correct their own evil deeds. If these two can come to place, then what you will see is the good neighborliness of the Muslims.

The christians according to the Bible always undervalue or exagurate the conditions of prophets. In the case of Jesus, they call him son or God! In others, as it has been demostrated above, they under value them to nothingness, forgetting their occupancy of the office of Prophethood. Prophet David from the Qur'an, was not only a prophet but also a king. He was such a good prophet that when Adam first saw the soul of this son of his, he pledged 40 years out of his life. Further, David (AS), was a king who made his own livelihood by being a blacksmith. He had such a beautiful voice that even the birds can sing better than him.

With all of this, the christians when it is convenient for their purpose, they even call Jesus son of David, yet it is the same david that they accused of adultery!

How can a prophet of God commit such a lood act? It is impossible for a prophet of All encompassing and All knowing God to be faullable like that. God keep all His prophets and protects them from any and all major sins. Adultery is one of them. God never humiliated any of His prophet or messenger (AS).

Prophet King David had so many wives. The office of prophethood is a humbling experience. There is no need for prophet David (AS), to order the killing of a man so that he can steal his wife! It is this prophet that also the direct father of another Orophet King Solomon (AS), who was given the control of Jinns and all kind of animals and even was able to control the wind!

King Solomon was the one that God used to converted Queen Bilkis of Saba to a believing woman and consequently, her Kingdom! How can one say these evil things about these noble souls?

@Babyosisi: So how do you make friends then? I hope that you do not think that only meadocracy is found on Nairaland. My objective is to continue to agitate and provide avenue for soul searching, if Allah wills it. The Yorubas say that it is from mankind that you find benefit. However, we must not forget that altimate goodness is a benefit from God the Almighty Allah.

We all hope in God and this is the reason we are ministering one another. We muslims make da'wah for the pleasure of Allah in the way of His last link in the chain of Prophets, Muhammad ibn Abdullah (AS). Join our party and be benefitted. Bringyour future husband along. You will be even be sweeter for him, like a sweet nectar of an exotic flower. The concept of Boyfriend/Girlfriend is childish and devoid of any lasting tangible value. I often ask myself, those who claim to follow Jesus ignorantly or intentionally ignore his not ever having sexual relation? They engage in illicit sex thinking they can blindly believe in his death on the cross and still carry on all kind of filth! This sexual illicitness is one of my biggest beef with Orikinla. In all human decency, it is evil. You do not have to be religious to know that it is evil. Then when you do it and claim that you are religious it clear indicate hypocracy. No one will want his or her family to be stigmatized as the door mat of the neighborhood, be it male or female.

I see alot of hypocricy here. The Christians should be ashamed of themselves in their open sexual madness. They are now introducing their lurid loodness and toying with innocent hearts of the weak muslim women. If you hate Islam, what do you want with Muslim woman? I for one will come straight pot to Christian woman and ask her to become muslim that I will marry her if she does. In Qur'an, Allah has forbidden Muslim woman to non Muslim man.

Seun, if you know Islam, you will know that there is no secularization in Islam. You are either Muslim or not. The labels, etc are the handiwork of enemies of islam and the unfortunate acceptance of it by the ignorants among the Muslims. I for one is not a scholar, but a muslim who does not carry any hyphenation. A muslim is a muslim, if it is truly Islam the is his/her religion. I am a Yoruba and yet I do not see how I can allow myself and others under my guardianship to be involved in illegal sexual relationship with any body.

The man who is interested in a muslim woman, you just have to learn about Islam and when you know enough, it will be easy for you to convert into it if your heart is pure. It will free you from the yoke of hanging your hope for salvation on an innocent man. You will then have a direct relationship in God, the only One Who can save and forgive you and prevent you from burning in Hell fire.

Just out of curiousity, Jesus was even a virgin, what are you doing trying to have illegal sex and then taking it over the top to Muslim woman? I need to move back to Nigeria and help my Muslim Brothers and Sisters from the evil web of the disbelievers.

@Abdulwale; What do you mean? Please make it clearer. Thanks.

@Babyosisi: What happened to m4-Malik and Orikinla? I hope that they are alright. I ask Allah the Almighty to protect them where ever they may be. Amiin.

When are you getting married? You talk to much about sex. Then you jump up and down on my neck. Glory belong to Allah alone. He provides my brother Belloti to calmly discuss the issues with you. See the diffenece between he and the crew you used to hang with. It goes to show that if you lay down with dogs, you will catch fleas The Yorubas say that the lamb that keeps the company of dogs will feed on feaces. You need to change company. Crossover> Thats not a difficult thing to do. Afterall, that will free you from dependences on a mere mortal like you and connect you directly, without obstruction to your God, Chineke. I use Chineke to get to your emotion.

Even though I wrote you to uour email, you have failed to acknowledge it it. is this the way friendship is nourished? Common on.

@Enugu: Thank you for reminding me to think. This is a good quality. In Islam, the books talk about thinking, reflecting, pondering, etc. Please apply the same thing to your dialogue  dynamics, as we go along.

In the Qur'an's Chapter known as Criterion, Allah says that when you are in the company of those who make idle/bad speech about your religion, say peace and depart from their company. This is the reason that I have avoided some of the men. Of course, sometimes, it is with great restraint.

In China you also have a good size of its people that are Muslims. The muslims and the Christians are others are minorities, however weilding no substantial influence based on political and numerical head count disadvantages. Your analysis of the docile China Christian is not applicable at all. However, in the west where Christians are dominant, at least those who claimed it by their word of mouth, tend to be not the ones that will pracice turning the other Cheek. You know that is a rediculous proposition.

I will buttress my argument by the you are either with us or with the terrorist roar. Why can not you be neither and try to be a peace maker? It was this armstringing that dragged Pakistan to take side, fearing that it will be bombed to pre Pakistan period. Sometimes on this board, you will read some of the Christian peace loving intelligentia saying that they will launch the Tomahawk.

They even forget that the word Tomahawk is very offensive to the natives, who were almost killed to extinction when the religious and holy men of Christian arrived on the shore of America. They killed the food source and this people. They did not even discriminate against the  animals, the Buffaloes.

The Christians communities and government carrying the water pot for the Zionist, are today creating crisis within the Islamic world. The destruction of the worldtrade centere was a trgic thing. The Muslims who participated in it can not justify their action and no one can justify it by the Qura'an or Sunnah.
When Islam ruled Europe from Andallusia, it heralded the renaissance of the Europeans. The age of enlightenment came to Europe where in it Jews and Christians occupied important positions. Then of course, King Ferdnand and Queen Isabella began their infamous Spanish Inquisitions. Muslims and jews were sacked, killed or forcefully converted. I do business with a woman in madrid whose name is Mrs Medina. I asked if she or anyone from her family is muslim. Her answer is that it was in the generation that was in the time of Islam! We must no forget the Jewish Pogrom and Crystalnoit in Europe. The Crusade against islam was before that.

And of recent generations, France almost singlehandedly destroyed Algeria because the Algerians wanted independence. Today, the west mostly Christians are imposing a concept which they taged "Democracy" on the Muslims They chose where they want democracy and when it does not sooth its agenda get upse like little children. If you are sincere about democracy, then put your house in order first, then go to your friends and help them to put their house in order. Let us start with the like of Egypt's Hussaine Mubarak, and the rest of the gylf nations.

Freedom is a God given value. With or without the Christian west, people all over the world yearns for it. But do not impose your brand of freedom on me, especially in it you have all kinds of societal ills. If you love me and want me to suceed, give me wha is good and wholesome, not what may be a way of temptation for my heart. Fighting temptation is a struggle and many people fail very easily at it.

Their was a movie in the day called Lawrence of Arabia. This lawrence was a British agent. Britain used him and his officers to divide the Arab Muslims against their Kalifah, the Turks. The arabs insincerity and their lukewarm commitment to islam made them follow the way of the devil whereeby they fought their own muslim brothers.  The unfortunate thing today, is that from the rank of the Muslims, The Kings and Presidents and rulers, and the Scholars and others you have hypocrites who look the other way or they instigate the oppression of their own Brothers and Sisters in their own land or outside of it. You find the ones who are preaching and feeding the communities lies and poisons, because they do have the attention of these people who are islamicall ignorant and very frustrated as well because of the worldwide situations of the Ummah. You have some who have this warped political view and ubfortunately begin to use islam towrap it. However we in islam know this, it is alway opposite to the teaching that you will find in Qur'an and hadith under a given condition.

@Belloti: AS-Salaamualaykum waramatullahi Taallah wa barakatuh: May Allah the Almighty continue to keep you and your family and the whole ummah, Amiin. You have a lot to do. Please be strong. The road will be hard, but Allah alone is enough as a Support.

@gbade.x: Tell me how is Friday evening all the way to Sunday morning comes up to 3 days. If you look at semitic timing, which is what Islam uses and the Jews use it too, a day begins from time of Sunset to the next sunset. Even if we are to be generous and give you Friday as afull day, then you only have at best 2 days and not 3 days. Based on this erronous calculation, alone, your 3 day statement is an unargueable hypothesis.

So that you know, my beloved brother Belloti has just illustrated from the Qur'an's chapter known as the table spread, that Jesus son of Mary (AS) was not cruxified or died on the cross. Please note that the Jews intended to use crucifixion as a means to curse the soul of jesus (AS). But Allah the Almighty, the Lord Who sent Jesus with a message of truth to his people (The Children of Israel), did not let them suceed.

Biblical characters, Old and new Testaments, I will believe you mean. Let us take Ibrahiim (AS) as a very clear example. He was from Iraq. This people are mostly Muslims today. However in the time of Ibrahiim (AS), they were Idol Worshippers. This was why he left with his family, including his extended family in the personage of prohet Lut (AS). Ibrahiim lived and died before the advent of Judaism. Judaism as a race and religion is culled from Judah, one of the sons of Yaquub (AS). Yaquub was a grandson of Ibrahiim. How can the Jews, in race or religion claim any of these noble people? Then christianity is a johnny come lately.

The most compelling argument is in the Qur'an where God says that Ibrahiim is not a Jew nor a christian, but a one who negates associating anything with God (Hanifan), bowing his will to God alone (Muslima). In Chapter known as the Cattle, Ibrahiim said that his worshipping and all his deeds, living and his dying are for God, the Lord of the Universe, He is alone in His Supremeness and I (Ibrahiim (AS)), is the first to confess in submission of my will as a MUSLIM! In the chapter known as the Height, after a request by Musa (AS), wanting to see his Lord Allah face to face, light came to the mountain. But the mountain pulverized before the light reached it. The event was so catastrophic to Prophet Musa (AS), that he fainted and remained in this state for three days.

When he came out of this 3 day coma, he declared that he MUSA is the first to BELIEF (Muminuu) You see Musa made the request to see God face to face because his people were demanding from him that they want to see GOD. They did this in jest, not in sincerity. They same way they continue to ask Musa (AS) to describe the Cow that he wants them to slaughter. Again, no muslim will reference to support any argument, but will tell you where Islam support any Bible statement. For in the Bible, Old and New tastaments, you have some general statement of truth and then you have the other.

@gbade.x: If I answer your assertion with the personage of the father of mankind, Prophet Adam (AS), you and me, if we are to be objective and sincere in thought, we will agree that at the time of Adam, there was nothing called Judaism! If this is true, then there was nothing called Christianity. Since Christianity is a later word.

I may illustrate this point further with Oduduwa and his people. They existed long time, from the birth of Oduduwa, then his people and before they arrived in the present day Yorubaland! Before they arrived in Yorubaland, they were probably not known amongst their large group of people as yoruba nor dis they separately speak the yoruba language. Yet they were people. Their story, if it was written prior to this period of their yorubaness, will still be a story of the same people who will be refered to as from the larger group sub group, prior to existence of Yoruba!

From Adam (as), allthe way to Jacob (as0, the word Judah or Jew, which is a derivative of the former never existed. The religion known as Judaism and proper Jew as a people, a tribe from the children of jacob (Israel), came after Jacob. Then, what was the religion of Ibrahiim (AS), for example? God said in the Qur'an that Ibrahiim was not a Jew nor a Christian, but a Hanifan (a person who negates worshipping anything other than God the Almighty!), he (Ibrahiim), did not associate anything with God!

I ask you, how is this possible that Muhammad (AS) could copy the Bible? When Muhammad is the classic Iconoclast, following the same pattern as everyone of the prophets (AS) before him! Qur'anic story is essentially different from Biblical story of any of the common personage that they address, eg Moses, Joseph, etc (AS). If Muhammad had copied from the Bible, one will expect at best a rearrangement of details or exact text or less deatails. But the story in the Qur'an about any of the common personages is superior and fully detailed, without the usual romantic writing style, the Bible is known for.

Please, my brother, be serious. I know that you love your religion, but save your hide from the fire of Hell. Go to www.shareislam.com, to learn from an expert of the Bible. God guidance on you.

@Enugu: Thanks for your entry. At least, I see why i decide to respond to the women, more than my occassional response to the men of christendom of nairaland. The women, even though are clearly astray in their Doctrinal belief, are not as wild as the men. The men can learn the decorum of civility from people like Enugu.

Now, Enugu, the topic is about Terrorism being Muslim problem, exclusively. If you look thoroughly, the starter of this thread is a christian. hence, you will be forced to ask, which group, is trying to malign the other, Christians or muslims? The answer is very obvious. However you may see it differently. The christians are even going as far as insulting Allah and His messenger (AS)! Yet, you can never find any muslim, anywhere on earth that will ever insult Jesus (AS)! Any insult levelled against any prophet is a direct insult on every prophet, from Adam all the way to jesus and ending up with Muhammad. so when a christian thinks that he/she is insulting Muhammad, it is also unknowingly directly insulting all of these men which include jesus (AS to all of them).

Enugu, the concept of turning the other cheek, is not in the Qur'an and the Sunnah. However, muslims are given the encouragement and commanding advise to not over step the bound of revenge and not to start a conflict. We know from the Qur'an that God says that Oppression is worse than Killing. On the other hand, from the bible, you are commanded to turn the other cheek. Please tell me here and now, have you ever seen any individual, group or society or country mong the christians that has turned the other cheek? Please let me know, from all the recorded history of christian nations or groups or individuals.

Unfortunately, the reverse is always the case. You will see the christians practicing preemptive strike, or instigating conflicts among people. Inshort, they are always itching for a fight. I guess all the preaching of Jesus (AS), fell on deaf ears! You ask any unbiased historian, under the rulership of Muslims, you found the renaissance of Europe's Jews and christians. They became enlightened and men and women of scholarship and it was this period that laid the foundation of today's Europe and indeed America's advancement.

It was the openess of the Muslims that the palestinians practiced in palestine that made it possible for the Jews to even lhave a noticeable presence o that land, before 1850. Then the Zionist movement began with the help of the Crusaders' offspring in Europe, specifically in England. Well, you know the rest of the story. Enugu, even though i am a Nigerian, how will you like it even if i were to spent a trillion USD in Igboland, that i displace the indigenous Enugu people, for example your family? If the shoe is on the other foot, the story is always different. think about it, my sister. Think about it before you answer.

@gbade.x: If you freeze that that your God died, then it means that his companions, eg, Peter, Luke, Mark, Mathew, etc. did not have a living God at that time! That means if you were alive at that time, or this death of your God is an event that is happening right now, it means that you will not have a living God. Inshort, at a time the Christian god was dead.

The other side of this issue is that the God of the Muslims is always alive, not wary, neither in distress, but always full of His Power. If you are sincere, which of the two God do you think is Supreme and which One is deserving of your worship. The muslim God is capable of forgiving or punish all by Himself. His mercy is more than his punishment. He does not have to die or kill somebody in order that He forgives who He wills. The other side is the christian god that dies, an act of mortality. My God is different. He is supreme.

@Babyosisi: Shelkh Yususf Estes, is not alone, amongst Europe's and America's Islamic leasdership! there is a ton of people like him. All of them former Christian Preacher men. What I kind of enjoy from his writing is the simplicity of the truth of it all. He spoke about the production of the Bible in English, by telling us that English was not developed before 1066 A. D. He then brought about the first Bible that he owned. A gift from his father and it was  a 1901 or thereabout KJ. He then told us that it was a revised version of some Bible produced earlier, then that one, was of an earlier version and so on. I think you know where I am going with this. The truth of it is that he sets our mind up to ask this question: If this Bible is revised and rewritten these many times, and the process is still going on, where is the proof that this Bible is still unchanging, hence Words of God? Compounded with the fact you know that the christendom believ that the Bible writers are inspired men. Even these men are not bold enough or are they intentionally obscured by the church hierrachy, keeping their identities from you and other christians.

At least we know that Muhammad (AS) says that the words in the Qur'an are from his Lord. That indicates a single Author. Which is more accurate, a single Author or so many Authors of a single book from each group? A single Author sets the direction of the book. On the other hand, the book with many Authors have so many directions as many as the Authors. Some direction(s) may negate or completely opposite others. You see that in the Bible. The case of Peter versus Paul comes to mind. Further, in the hadith, the chain of narration(s) are known. This is one of the reasons we are able to know the classifications of hadith entries. hadith ranges from Sound to weak. Weak hadith is probably narrated maybe once and then with doubtful individuals in the chain. Maybe, you will have impossible conditions, eg, individuals who never or not likely to be in the company of the prophet on a possible occassion that they record the hadith for. In Madina, you have the hypocrites infitrating the Muslim community. Some of them wre Christians and Jews and of course, the Pagans of Arab tribes. All of the hypocrites tried to impure the religion, but God exposed them.

You should not be blind. You are a good woman. Worship your Lord. Do not fall for the 'Rapture' Okey dokey, Munshu Kunshu! Everyone will die. If Ibrahiim (AS) died, even though God referred to him as His Personal Friend, yet he was the father of Faith. If Musa (AS) died, even though God spoke to him directly without Malaika Jibril (AS), yet God defeated Pharaoh and his army through him, then be sure you and me and every thing will perish from the face of the earth. The tragedy of death, is not dying. It is the realisation that death brings. One live will flash pass one eye, so quickly, regardless of how long one have lived.Everything is replayed and death took hold of the live. You will also know your station, because, if you are from paradise, the Angel of death comes as a comely person and he will not be harsh to the soul. However, if the person is from fire of Hell, the Angel will come with hard and ugly personality, angry and violates the body and soul. You may see some death with blood and bruised up body. Even though, they have died in their sleep or bed.

Did you receive my letter in your mail few weeks ago? Whats stopping you from responding? You should pay great consideration to my suggestion therein.

@Babyosisi; Somehow, you have been gender identified as 'm', on this board! I have met Sheikh Estes. He knows more Bible that most practicing Christian. You must read his piece on Jesus, The Bible, etc. Again, I will continue to invite you to peace. Islam is coined from salaam and Silm. Read the Qur'an. Read it for your own good. It is a healing for the soul of a believing person.