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Islam › Re: Is Terrorism A Muslim Problem? by olabowale(m): 4:13pm On Sep 28, 2006
@Havila: I do not have any bone of depression in my body. Are you in any struggle, inwardly or outwardly? If you are not in any struggle, I know a naive soul, deluded with self worth. I do not run, definately not from you. Evidently, you can run the whole world, but you need to start from your soul, first.

There is no way I will take the one who did not know that a fig tree that did not fruit out of season is following the command of the Lord of that tree. I am not even a man who has good faith or do good deeds, all the time. But i do not ask for a strawberry from a Mango tree. This is a metaphoric statement, less you will misquote me.

Tell me do they just not train Doctors to be kind anymore? Is medicine based on book smart alone. I remember what Dr. Ekpo Eyo said a long time ago; The days of Humanitarian doctors are gone. Keep with the research work.

Sometime soo, I will respond to the issue of Aisha. Not right now. I have other things that occupy my mind. I am praying for you that God Who is above all things will soften your heart and let the sweetness of guidance enter it.
Islam › Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently? by olabowale(m): 12:22pm On Sep 28, 2006
@Kikanuka: The resume you presented is no more in need, today. There is a newer and uptodate resume from Muhammad (AS). He is the latest the last of the one s who presented resume. His resume has been guranteed by the Lord of the creations to last forever without any other resume to be acceptable from the past and there would not be any from the future.
Christianity Etc › Re: Does Religion Really Matter To God? by olabowale(m): 12:16pm On Sep 28, 2006
@Kikanuka: Tell me which Bible? The Catholic, or the offshoot from it used by the protestant. Which printing period shall we use. Please read the Qur'an and be amazed. I invite you to guidance, do not invite anyone to Hellfire.
Islam › Re: Was Allah The Moon God Of Ancient Arab Pagan? Holy Month Is Ushered In By Moon! by olabowale(m): 12:11pm On Sep 28, 2006
@Kikanuka: I had my share of the Bible as a reference, in High School. Now, I do not read it for any refence. Maybe because Muhammad  (AS) frowned against it, when Umar ibn Khattab (RA) read the Torah. Muhammad (AS) called all his companions and told them in essence that if Musa (AS) were to be alive and heard about Muhammad,  Musa will have no choice to follow him! If this applied to Musa, it must apply to Isa (AS).

Muhammad(AS), in his journey to the heavens where he received the commandment for salah and the last part of Suratul baqarah, met Isa and his cousin Yahya on the second heaven and musa on the sixth heaven.

Muhammad stated that his Lord has honored him; In place of taurah, the Lord revealed a part of the Qur'an to Muhammad (AS). Yet, in place of Sabuur, another part of Qur'an, then in place of Injiil, another part of Qur'an. Further, He revealed another part of Qur'an to elevate Muhammad (AS).



Now, it is me who is inviting you to guidance. I am inviting you to Paradise, you are inviting me to Hellfire!


@Browneyes:Please do not listen to the liars, less they make your heart incline toward the way of the evil doers; the ones who join partner with God.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Or Yahweh Is Not The Same As Allah! Beware by olabowale(m): 4:31am On Sep 28, 2006
@Havila: You and your crew are telling muslims who Allah is. You are in the hearts and the mind of every muslim, knowing their conception of Allah.

Wow.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Or Yahweh Is Not The Same As Allah! Beware by olabowale(m): 4:26am On Sep 28, 2006
@Babyosisi: If your an exceptionally beautiful woman, I will not mind it. But to say that Igboland will not become Islamic, think about it again. It is already taking root. Maybe, in afew decades to come, but it a few decades in the history of man. Several decades ago was like yesterday. Afew decades more is really like tomorrow.
Islam › Re: Is Terrorism A Muslim Problem? by olabowale(m): 4:20am On Sep 28, 2006
@Havila: What is struggle to you? It simply means trying to change a prevailing condition, improve some existing situation or preserving something through some effort.

The nun was in a Jihad. She was trying to improve something, maybe she brought her bible along. I am in a struggle with you and you are with me. Yet i have not used any bad language aganst you, yet you do not mind to shoot some tamahawk at me. This is premptive strick. Yet you do not fear God, the almighty. He sees you and all of us together.

Do I feel for any body who dies, Yes. So whats your point.
Islam › Re: Was Allah The Moon God Of Ancient Arab Pagan? Holy Month Is Ushered In By Moon! by olabowale(m): 4:10am On Sep 28, 2006
@Havila: Thank God. We are grown and I do need you to respect me. It does not face me. InshaAllah, when you see me, if Allah wills it, there is no sign of Middle age in me. I learnt how to read Qur'an in arabic, without any man teaching me.
To your Bible, so I wrote date instead of Fig. The message is clear. About the moon, all you have to do is to go to any Islamic store in London, you will find a book about it. The one I read has a title "The day the Moon was split."
My question to you is that you do not know that the astronauts discovered that the moon surface had a fault runnung through it? Again, common sense has nothing to do with academics. Havila, I do not have to bully anybody. We are not in front of each other. i do not intimedate you, neither will you intimedate me. I will not result to vile language with you. Not because I can't, but i will not.
Like they say, when stricks another Iron, there will be sound. I have no need of it. I am representing Islam. I am not representing Olabowale here.
Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 3:50am On Sep 28, 2006
@Babyosisi: Allah is Algafur, AlRahman, AlRahiim; This means that Allah is the Forgiver of all sins, Ther merciful; this mercy covers every thing created, then the Benefient; the beneficience is reserved for the day of Judgement.
So Babyosisi, if Muslims has a punishment for Adultery and even fornication, both you complained about, what is it that will satisfy you. Really?

The One that has the right to accept repentance offers and open door for us all to repent. No one that has performed any ills for the first time is ever caught. The ones who are caught are repeated offenders. the become complasant. It becomes a second nature. in their carelessness, they allow the authority to catch up to them.

The Muslimsfrown on flirtacious behavior. However it is not the thought, but it is the acting upon the thought, that is the manifestation of sin. I will never say that Muslims do not have ills, but the majority of us do not act upon it. For example, even though I have never drank socially. Infact the smell of alcohol does not agree with me. However, if it was not that Islam has a law against it, I will be a good social drinker and probably smoke Tobacco along with it. This is my personality, but i do not act upon them.

Concerning prophet Muhammad (AS), have you ever came accross any material in which the Arabs of his day used his morality against him? Never will you find it.

You should judge muslims by the Books of Muslim religion: Qur'an and Hadith. You should judge christians by the book of christianity; Bible. Now we should compare the two to gether and you will see a stark difference.
Christianity Etc › Re: Does Religion Really Matter To God? by olabowale(m): 4:54pm On Sep 27, 2006
Religion does matter. The right and proper religion is the instruction blueprint of God to His creations, Mankind for one. This blue prints laws and order, processes. Further it provides consequences of good and evil. The crateria of obedience and disobedience. The stories of people who are rightly guided and those who had gone astray in the past, are told.

Future are also predicted. You will read about happiness and sadness at the end of our life's journey.

If this blueprint known as religion is not provided by God, in the end, when hHe punishes the one who is being punish will have the right to claim justice from God. Since He has provided the blue print, there is no one that can claim that God is unjust in the day of Judgement.

God declares in the Qur'an that He will not be unjust to His creations.
Christianity Etc › Re: Jehovah Or Yahweh Is Not The Same As Allah! Beware by olabowale(m): 4:41pm On Sep 27, 2006
@Babyosisi: I just read your statement of it Muhammad (AS), were to have conquered Igboland. There is no if anymore. Its done. There are still work to do. InshaAllah, you are still one of the needed to be conquered. If you are thinking is by any force, no. It is by good conduct. You will see.
Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 4:27pm On Sep 27, 2006
@Babyosisi: I went to those websites. I even discovered some of my own. I wonder who wrote those stories. They have more holes in them than the swiss cheese. I pity the liars. Then i pity myself. However, I am responding to them. Raising some interesting topics in Bible and Qur'an as applicable.
Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 4:23pm On Sep 27, 2006
@Babyosisi; Are you suggesting that adultery or fornication is not abig deal? Aren't you was talking about HIV/AIDS on another thread? It is not better and somewhat contained if people are in a stricted sexual circle, like more than 1 wife to a husband. In this case, if there is any health crisis, they can contain it and find from this group where is the source so that it can be treated adequately.

Unlike the free for all where there is no restriction. This was how HIV spread so quickly in the bath houses of the west. This place provided the wild orgies to to those people and they went for it.
Islam › Re: Was Allah The Moon God Of Ancient Arab Pagan? Holy Month Is Ushered In By Moon! by olabowale(m): 4:09pm On Sep 27, 2006
@Backslider: Your statement about Allah being the moon god that the Muslims worship lacks credibility.

Did you ever read about the miracle that the Almighty Allah performed through the hands of Muhammad (AS), when he split the moon into two for the whole makkans to see? The other settlement in Arabia saw it as well. This was before his Hijra to Madina. The Makkans were needing to see miracles,as if it was not enough for them that a man from amongst them was Inviting them to guidance of Islam.

They asked him(AS), in this particular night when the moon was full. they said, split the moon and we will believe you. He Muhammad (AS), supplicated to his Lord, then with his hands together and fingers pointed, the pronounce Allah's glory, thus Bismillahir rRahmanir rRahiim, He pointed to the two mountains which are next but far from each other. The people and Muhammad (AS), saw the moon splitting into two, each part moving away from each other and settled on the top of the mountains as if these are now their new stations.

Muhammad (AS), also make the two parts of the Moon come back together by bringing his hans together after everyone in the community had witnessed this phenomenon, while praising God!

It was this Muhammad (AS) after the conquer of Makka, that he used his staff in his hand to push down all, without a single idol left standing or in the visinity of Ka'aba. Have you ever been inside the Four walls of the structure known as Ka'aba in makka? It is empty, there nothing inside it!

Simple observation on the moon, moon god; You you know that when the Apollo 11 landed on the moon, they discovered that there is a fault running through it? Abount the moon god syndrome that you have, Tell me if Muhammad (AS) and the Muslims are worshipping the moon god, would muhammad have thrown/pushed the moon god in Ka'aba to the ground. The moon god as you had claimed was broken up during that fall. There is no account that the muslims had ever tried to recover any idol or statue anywhere.

If a person is truly a muslim, you will not see that person attaching any undue importance to any thing, indeed, even Muhammad. All our focus is on God of Adam and all mankind and things. This God is call Allah. He also has other attributes. Non of them is father!

I can see that you are so perturb and giddle concern about Islam. Seeing that we only give all glory to Allah. Unlike the way of the christians, giving glory to Jesus, seeing that Jesus was just a man like every man. He ate, used the bathroom to rid all waste in his body, after digestions. According to the Bible, he was so hungry that he as confused about the inability of the date tree to provide food since it was not the season for fruiting. He cursed the tree! if this was the act of a sane man, you will move to another tree which is in the season for fruiting.

May God forgive me. I did not say this about Jesus, the Prophet of Allah. I only give you something to think about. It is as if to say to a child that is still a week old, to drive a car or other matured fully grown persons activities. It just does not make any sense.

Backslider, havila and co., please go and reflect and use your sense. Unfortunately, common sense is not a given for academic prowess.

How can a sane person worship another person, seeing that he can not creat anything, unless God allows him/her to do it as a sign to support God's grand intention. I will never worship anything that this earth had been able to support. I will only worship the One that support this earth and all other existants.
Islam › Re: Is Terrorism A Muslim Problem? by olabowale(m): 1:50pm On Sep 27, 2006
@Wumine: Jihad is struggle. It involves every types of struggling; A person who tries to do right by others in business and others is in Jihad. It is not fighting alone that is Jihad.

Do you know that if God were to fight your fight for you, the first thing is that you have to be a pious individual with good and pure belief in God. Are you this person. No one can say with certainty. If you say that you are, then it is a value of arrogance. God does not like arrogant people.

If God fights your fight for you, your enemy will be destroyed. Take the case of Prophet Noah (AS), he complained about his people. He asked for their demise. They were utterly destroyed, except the few who were in the vessel with him.

In a small way, all of us are fighting for our concept of God. I am fighting for Allah. I am defending Him, His religion to mankind, His prophet of that completion of that religion and those who are in the religion. All the muslims, men and women are doing it on Nairaland.

The christians are doung it as well for their cincept of God, which in their case involves Jesus. They are also doing it for Saul/Paul who they believe is an apostle of jesus or God, doing the carrying on.

Do not think that the christians on Nairaland or the world over are not involved in Jihad. Yes it is the exact thing that they are doing. They are quick to bomb and kill by waging wars against muslim societies. they do it, individually, organizationally (NATO), collisionally of the willing or the coersed. They encourage others to do it when it will be obvious that they have no reason to do it.

Others do it by making missionary efforts.

The whole world is full of struggle in one form or the other. It all depend on where you are in the effort. unfortunately, to few a people are struggling to bring unity among mankind.
Islam › Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently? by olabowale(m): 12:24pm On Sep 27, 2006
@Mukina2: AS salaamualaykum, yaa Amakallah.
I am not on yim. But I will find out, today and how I can get on it.
However you can email me on abbassdirect@lycos.co and aqeedahfirst@yahoo.com.

Further, if I can contact you by phone, I will do it. As promised I will find out about yim, today.
Islam › Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently? by olabowale(m): 11:51am On Sep 27, 2006
@Vanariso: As-salaamualykum, yaa Muslim, yaa Abdallah. Thanks for the statement. may Allah the All Powerful reward you. Amiin.

About the short sitting position which takes place after the second Sujud to the Kiyaam (Standing up) for the new Rakah, I have say that the Prophet (AS) used to do it in his late years.

Maybe because of advancement in age. In his (AS) youth, he was not doing it. One can simply observe that when a person gets older, it is less spring to the bounce. It is in this regard of his (AS) practise in his old age that people take it as a sunnah.

Since whatever he did (AS), said and did not stop anyone to do or say (in other word permitted), all of that is sunnah.

Allah knows best.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Quran Fraud Contradictions Or Great Truths? by olabowale(m): 8:53pm On Sep 26, 2006
@Backslider: For me some part of Qur'an is clear. others are not clear. it is very complex to understand.

For example, God said He has eyes and ears. Are His eyes and ears like ours, His creations. No, far from it.

But this statement allows you realise that God sees everything and hears everything.

God has already spoken about His complete difference from us. Issues like this, I have no problem with it.

If you think that I will be a secular Muslim, whatever that means to you. It will not happen. At present, I am busy with recitation of the Qur'an. it is time consuming. The time for me to argue is not now. I am not shying away from anything. Except that my time is very limited. I have a lot of things to cram into it.

What is very interesting is that you have not at one time tell me that you have visited the website that I provided.

For me, when an information is provided, I will at least take a look at it. there might be some benefit in it for me.

We are having this conversation and it has helped to strenghten my Iman in Allah and the followership of the Messenger (AS).

When i said that a brotherhood without bloodline is counted as artificial, you did not read it in the light that i presented it. You ran with it, distorting all the while, that i have claimed that islam did not come to foster brotherhood. From that point on, I believed you are disgenuous.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Quran Fraud Contradictions Or Great Truths? by olabowale(m): 6:10pm On Sep 26, 2006
@Seun; I emailed you an article about the age of Aisha when she died. please can you post it here for me. I want backslider and co. to have a chance to read it. I tried to make them go to the site for the article, but the refused. This is why i resulted to this method. I appreciate your effort in this.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Quran Fraud Contradictions Or Great Truths? by olabowale(m): 5:35pm On Sep 26, 2006
@Feelgood; Hamzah(RA) was Muhammad's (AS) foster brother because they suckled the breast of the same woman. It was for this reason that hamzah's daughter was the foster Niece. Abu bakr (RA) and Muhammad (AS) did not have the same suckling relationship.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Quran Fraud Contradictions Or Great Truths? by olabowale(m): 3:19pm On Sep 26, 2006
@Backslider; So you have difficulty with the islamic concept of Paradise and hellfire. Well, isn't that the earth is physical? I now want to know what your concept of paradise and hellfire are.

Anyone who disbelief, committing the greatest sin of Association of anything with God or saying that God does not exist, in my book, qualifies for Hellfire.

You remind of my Reverend friend. he often said that when oe dies and one is mixed with the dirt, that is it. I have asked him why is he preaching then. But he had never given me an answer but say that paradise and hellfire is while you are still alive.

Backslider, I want you to tell us in very clear and direct language where is Hell and where is paradise.

About the relationship of Abu bakr and Muhammad, on one hand and the marriage to Aisha are discussed on the site which i provided to you. Your calling him a child molester is unjustifiable.

The relationship that is forged as adopted brothers and/or father and son are all artificial. God wished to destroy it through the hand of muhammad, it was done.

What better person that God may used, except His beloved messenger. It is the same Muhammad who forged brotherhood, sisterhood between Ansar (RA) and the Muhajirin(RA). God upon that stopped the practise of one inheriting the others properties upon death.

God confirmed in the Qur'an that the blood relationship is stronger than the artificially formented relationship.

In many instances we have seen people in the west marrying siblings, and other relations that Islam forbid.

When you go to the site which I had recommended, you will be satisfied if it is truly that your heart is yearning for knowledge and guidance. You can post all your cahllenges to him. Infact I am satisfied with the true age of Aisha (RA) and her marriage to Muhammad (AS).

Through her a lot of hadith came to be known. Of course, we have seen a lot of hadith that are fabricated.
Again, the site is www.abswering-christianity.com.

@Adebanjo: May Allah reward you for providing this website. I am sure the christians will find it very interesting.
Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 2:03pm On Sep 26, 2006
@havila: Thanks for your reply. In the verse that you quoted, no stated that provides the male sex birth. However, you need to agree with me that it is the condition of the male semen that places a part in the gender of the baby. the female egg has nothing to do with it. i can talk to you about the ph of the liquid thereof, but that is beside the point. As a Doctor please explain the condition that has to take place for a child to be a male and please explain the condition for a female birth as well.

From the Bible, are you saying that you do look like God, since you have quated that you are created by Him in His own Image? Are you like God, inside and outside.

I remember when HIV/AIDS became known in the USA. I think it was in 82 when the head of CDC, Dr Faucci went to Africa and all over the world. Initially, there was no understanding of it whatsoever. later on, they began to give cocktail of medicine to try to find the right drug for. From 100 tables per day, in over 23-24 years of research, they have in the west have been able to provide a one a day table!

For God, the cure of HIV/AIDS was prescibed all along. Do not fornicate or commit adultery. You see curing a symptom is inferior to curing the desease by preventing the desease to occur in the first place. The God that allowed jesus, as a sign of his prophethood to raise a dead to live has given the proper curing presciption for all deseases.

Since you asked me for perfect injuction in law, it is in itself the law of God that is perfect.

In a little of engineering that i know, if you are to build a bridge or any super structure, you begin to take into account all the activities that may happen with it. You begin with the analysis and calculations of its structure: What weight ; maximum and minimum it is to carry/support. The flow of load will come into place, etc. It is with this in mind that you will calculate the material strenght, structurally that will consist all the resins or admixture and the consistency of the concrete/cement to be pured. You also calculate without the dead load/weight considering many factures like turbulence, the other elements, like coroding and decaying agents and process. Allof this you have compensate for to a minimum standard. Every detail must be considered. The soil is even analysed for moist percentage and the overall strenght of the soil plays a part. The thickness of the structure that is in question is calculated. The uptimost attention is paid to its shearing point. In all conditions, you are making sure that it meets the standard that it is required.

If the materials are over compensated for, you will waste money. If you do not design to a minimum standard for which the structure is to be able to handle the traffic, in the case of road or even bridge for example, before long at best, you begin to see a break down of the material. You have to do over. This is a waste of money. In a worse case scenerio, lives may be lost. A good example is the poorly design Levee in New Orlean. It was not designed for the strenght to withstand the flow of water that horricane Katrina brought.

For example, I have a lot of friend who studied medicine in the old soviet block countries. Their approach to medicine is more of psychological observations, because they did not have very many state of the art instruments. This is the reverse for those who studied in the West.

If you believe that the there are no muslim in medicine, then I beg to defer with you. Do think that this people have not analysted the Qur'an claim from critical perception. Are you saying that Dr. maurice Buccaire of France is a poor scholar.
When i was very young, foolishly, I thought very jamaican was a bum. Until, you encounter them in academic settings. You will realise that they are just as good as anybody. the difference in individual is how one applys oneself. Before Medicine, there was God. Brfore man there was God. The same God exists today. he will exist after we all gone.

I hope medicine will not delude you that you will not believe that the God Who created the first time, will recreat again. You and me will meet Him for judgement.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Quran Fraud Contradictions Or Great Truths? by olabowale(m): 12:47pm On Sep 26, 2006
@Backslide: Go on www.answering -christianity.com. You will find aboundant explanation about the subject matter of Aisha (RA) been underage or not.

From personal experience, if I am from a society that has a sort life expectancy, like 30-40 or thereabout, it will be normal practise to start a family at rather young age. Were you to have lived over 1400 years ago, then you will have the truth about the matter.

Abu bakr was not a poor person who would have allowed his daughter to be molested. Further, I have read many materials which gave the age of Aisha (RA) to be much older than 9. She was engaged and the engagement was broken before Muhammad (AS) came to the picture. What you need to do is to read the materials on this subject which are abounding from the site i provided to you.

Do me a favor, read it.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Quran Fraud Contradictions Or Great Truths? by olabowale(m): 12:36pm On Sep 26, 2006
@Backslider: I did not have to go far to see that you did not consider taht when you distribute a property, you can not distribute more that 100%, but you can distribute less than 100%. So as to your example of 10 males and 1 female children, it simply states that the males takes 2 times that of the female. So the portion of each male will be double of their sister. In this case they will share from the total portion of the inheritance that is meant for children which numbered more than one , but in the combination of male and female.

You seem to forget that Muhammad (AS) used to recite the Qur'an to Jibril (AS), every month of Ramadan. So the first Ramadan of Muhammad's Islam (AS), what ever was revealed was recited to Jibril, and Jibril recited to Muhammad (AS). This took place every Ramadan until the death of Muhammad (AS). The rule was that they will recite it to each other, one time each, until the last Ramadan which was different.

This ramadan, Muhammad (AS) said that he and Jibril recited it twice to each other. The total recitation in this case was 4 times. One will see the important of the continuous oral recitation.If Muhammad were to have made any mistake in this Qur'an, the last year of the usual ramadan recitation , which was double the normal recitation, Jibril would have corrected the verse in Question about mariam the mother of jesus (AS). You

You must agree with me that Allah the Almighty does not have to satisfy you individually or persons who has the same heart like you. Obviously, this is a reason that you have not accepted Islam. This may be your test. Truly, it is God Who knows your heart. You fail to consider the truthfulness of muhammad (AS) in the Surah known as Abasa> Just because he frowned, the Lord of the world brought down a revelation on him. He did not have to hide it. His Lord spoke very highly of him, in the Qur'an and to the Angels. In many surah Allah the Almighty spoke about the elevation of the stature of Muhammad to a lofty station. God spoke about his truthfulness. Before a became a prophet he was known amongst his people as the truthful, the trusted. While they wage way against him, they never stop entrusting him with their assets.

God further stated that He is the One Who will safeguard the Qur'an. This statement was made at some point while the revelation was still coming down and it will continue until the end of time.

Again, it is the month of ramadan, I wish you well. I hope whatever is stopping your heart from accepting Islam, may the Lord of that heart purify it for you and allow belief in truth to enter it.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Quran Fraud Contradictions Or Great Truths? by olabowale(m): 11:55am On Sep 26, 2006
@Backslider: When a person dies in the path of struggle for the pleasure of Allah, the person is believed to not have died, in the sense that the soul is transported and preserved into the body of a bird in paradise. This bird feeds, therefore nourishing the soul, flying from place to place in the paradise. Since the soul is the conscious part of the "body and soul" combination, you can see that the soul begins to enjoy the pleasure of paradise. Yet the body is buried and waits in the grave for the day of judgement where the body will be connected back to the soul and both will go to paradise to continue the enjoyment.

This is different, very different from the body and soul that is dishonored because it is the dead of the UNbeliver. The soul is ripped violently from the body when death is taking place. the body and soul continue to suffer, two times every day, it is punished at the time of morning prayer and the late afternoon prayer. This punishment in the grave continues until the day of judgement. This day of judgement, the disbelieving person, in body and soul combination takes its place in Hell for the evrlasting punishment. Where do you want to find yourself; Paradise or Hell?

May God help all of us.
Christianity Etc › Re: The Quran Fraud Contradictions Or Great Truths? by olabowale(m): 11:41am On Sep 26, 2006
@Backslider: Its it true that The children of israel and the Arabs are considered as brethrens. Why? Is n't it because of their lineage which separates from Ismaila, the older brother of Isiaq the younger brother, both children of Ibrahiim.

Is it true that the African tribes of today, for the most part consider themselves are relatives simply because, they came from the same source. If you look further you will see that every human came from Adam and eve, therefore we are brothers and sisters of each other and one another.

The brother of Aaron case was because she came from the lineage of Aaron. Did you read about the Jew who married Muhammad (AS)? She was referred to as daughter of Aaron and niece of Musa. (AS)
Christianity Etc › Re: The Quran Fraud Contradictions Or Great Truths? by olabowale(m): 11:30am On Sep 26, 2006
@Backslider: I was going to apply human relationship degree of importance coupled with my meadocre knowledge of math, then I read through your post again. Here is my conclusion; If Allah said it, which is clear from the Qur'an, then if His Messenger (AS) acted upon it accordingly, as a believer, I have no opinion on the matter. All i am demanded to do is hear, obey and ask for forgiveness whereever I may err.

You did not take into account that in the past over 14 centuaries that the Qur'an had been revealed, there has been countless of actuarists, accountants, mathematicians, engineers through the ages of Islam. From the Muslims, you have some of the bases and foundations of today's math; Algebra, Geometry and simply arithmetics. The Arabic numeral is still in use in almost all matters of numbering. The concept of Zero was from the Arabs under Islam.

Backslider, how do you reconcile that a Johnnie come lately like youself, is better in calculations, than the countless multitude of Muslims in all the several generations starting from the time of Muhammad (AS)? The answer is simple. You are not. Infact, if you read the verses very clearly, God the Almighty stated, it is a sign of obedience to Him. To see in whose hearts there are transgressions of the rights of relationships/relatives.

From your observations of the verses, you see that everyone who is considered as primary relation/relative is conpensated in the distribution of assets. This is after debts and legacies are already settled. Further, from your own observations of the hadith, even extended family members are considered.

In the final analysis, every member of the family in most cases got some benefit. This is also a source of fostering the continuom of blood and marital relationships. From islam, we see that regardless of the wealth of the woman folks, the men folks are to care for them, emotionally, socially and fiancially. It is a well established knowledge that Muhammad (AS), had to take care of his household, financially, from the salaries that he got from Khadijah (RA), who was his wife and wealthier than him! In the inheritance distributions, men are supposed to continue to support their women folks, regardless of her original wealth, the portion that she received from the inheritance of her parent (s) and/or her spouse.

Here in the west, you see that the spouse has the foremost right regarding the burial and the estate as well. This is incase that there is no Will. Next to the spouse is the children and then the parents and then the siblings.
In Islam, you see where children are in foremost considerations. The parents are considered and then the spouse and lastly, the sibling.

In normal situations, you have the children having a financial responsibility for their parents, then their grand parents and their uncles and aunts. So when the inheritance is distributed, you have the financial responsibility does not change for the children of the deceased regarding their surviving parent, grandparent,aunts and uncles and even their own siblings. Expecially the siblings who are females and the ones who are less fortunate financially.

In Islam, having a Will is commanded so that there is no need to go through probate upon the death of the one whose assets are to be distributed.

My Question to you now is this; how is inheritance explained in the Big Bible? If you do not have it, please do not make such a fose. In the Qur'an, you will not find where a married person who commits Zina is to be stoned to death. What you will find in the Qur'an is to flg the person who is not married and then commits Zina. Yet, we see that the person who is married and still commit Zina has a greater sin, in the sense that there is no justification for the erring. Afterall, there is partner who the sexual energy can be shared with.

It is in this same manner that I will not have any opinion, if Muhammad (AS) said it, I accept it. Totally without any reservation. Do you know that there are a large number of Muslim lawyers as well in the west as well as the muslim societies? Think about it. Then reflect before you write any of your entries on any number of specialised Islamic subjects. Do you know, or it is God Almighty Who knows?
Christianity Etc › Re: The Quran Fraud Contradictions Or Great Truths? by olabowale(m): 8:44pm On Sep 25, 2006
@Backslider: About the case of the inheritance, you need a jurist in Islam to understand it. Are you are jurist. have you sat with any. If you need education in this, only if you know that it will benefit you, then there will be explanation of it.

Let me do you a favor; go to www. answering-christianity.com.
God willing, you will find your answer about the moon/star, the mountains,etc.
Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 8:25pm On Sep 25, 2006
@Havila and @Babyosisi; We aught to agree that it is very difficult to take a seat at the fountain of true knowledge. Whereas it is very easy to be ignorant. One does not have to make any effort to be Ignorant.

With is in mind, we need to observe many things about Qur'an and hadiths as relating to Medicine. It is true that Qur'an made many clear statements alluding to Medicine. Therefore, I call your attentions to the Website in question: www.answering-christianity.com. What I will like tou to do is to go through the section 4, which provides ample thesis culled from Qur'an on various medical subject matters;Embryology, Human Anatomy, Formation and creation from the time of sexual intercourse to th time of birth.

Still under this section 4, you have stages of fetal development.
Indication that clearly states the part of the brain which is used for lying.
the part of the brain that controls movement.

Sex and gender determination is based on condition of the male ejaculated semen.
Matters of the finger print being as unique to individual as the person itself.
Blood circulation and Milk production.
The heart and even its usage as an organ for thinking in addition to the brain.

Section 6 should be noted as well. Here you will find information about ;

The medicinal properties of Animal Urine, eg the Camel.
Camel, Bees and Bacteriophages.

What i ask you to do is to provide the time line for when any of these are known in the fields of medicine, period. You must consider the period before Muhammad (AS), during his time and after his time on earth.
You then must consider his arabian enviroment and his personal book academic quality. Bearing in mind that he was proclaimed even in the Qur'an that he had received (AS) as an Unlettered.
Tell me what reference book of medicine sources were available to the Arabs and to Muhammad, specifically.

You must put everything in contest to include all civilations before, during and after his life. You must now tell us when did the medical/related science community of the world came to know what the know that Muhammad had alluded to in over 14 centuaries ago.


As to my saying that medicine is not an exact science, it is my believe that you as a Medical knows it as a correct statement. I ma referring to you Dr. havila. Is there any medicine that you know,in the history of man, that was formulated, used for the very first time that worked as intended?

What I mean is this; Take for example the simple Penicillin, when the ingredient was formulated, the strenght of that formulation, which could cure the desease it is being designed for had to go through testings. Yet you have many different strenght of the same medicine even today. Doctor make a particular strenght, if there is no noticeable effect, the strenght is adjusted for stronger or weaker one, until there is a sign that it is taking effect against the symtom.
Some deseases are never cure, even though the symtom may have been arrest.

What I will like you to do is to read through the Qur'anic explanations and use this opportunity to visit other sites.

In my past, up to 2000, I was just a muslim. Even though I clearly saw a marked diffence in me, between the decadence of late 60s and the mid 80s. 2000 brought everything to a boil for me. The year 2000 was when I was able to stand around a dead body. In 73, my maternal grandmother died in my arm. In 81, I mistakenly entered a funeral home to visit the owner. There I saw a lot of bodies laying down. In my naiveness, I did not pay any attention that they were already dead. This was my mid twenties. You thought you are still on top of the world, which was the mindset you carry from preteen or teenage years.

2000, I lost a friend. During his last few hours alive, I was making my night prayers. I did not know that he was dying. As a brother to me in Islam, I realised that one can die at any time.

After this time, I decide to pay attention to doing good and not be so self absorbed. That year i moved to Brooklyn. I attached myself to the Masjid and volunteered my time as much as possible.
Sometimes in August of that year, the community lost a member. They need volunteers to wash and prepare his body for burial. I foolishly volunteered! I discarded my timitness about death. The experience was a shock to me!

As a young man in nigeria, every one wanted to be a Doctor, an Engineer, a Lawyer or an Accountant, etc.
I studied science and math and loved them more that other subjects like Geography, etc. I knew from my youth i did not like the signt of blood, this was my having a distaste for all types of medical fields. So, with this as a background, i have human to human respect for those study medicine or its related faculties. For it is not knowing the book work alone that qualifies a person for this job. One needs to be kind, patient and very compassionate.

What i experience at the first washing of a body sticks to my memory as it it was just yesterday. First, i had fasted that day and it was at the time that I was going to break my fast that we had to leave for this duty. I just ate a piece of bread and drank some juice. However as we got to the funeral home on Atlantic Avenue, the reality set in for me.
I felt like throwing up. But it will not come. My stomach become strong all of a sudden, but the rest of my body was different. I was chilled to the core. As we got to the washing place, you saw a lot of dead bodies in body bags. Life had a different meaning for me.

We spent about 2-3 hours preparing this man for burial. I noticed that no one calls a dead body by the name that it was called while alive. Most people do not want to keep their dead in the house. So you see, my dearest brothers and sisters in mankind, death is something that will come. We must prepare for it. More importantly, we must do all that is proper in faith to the One God and do good and hope to receive His mercy.

How can we do this. God is One. His command is very clear. He never changed, before Jesus and after Jesus (AS). The path laid out for man is constant. It is a duty to individual that he/she obey God in the true faith and doing good deeds seeking the pleasure of the Most Merciful. I think we should not be in haste to seek the truth, even though it might be as hard to handle as if own was to hold in bare hand a red hot amber from coal.
Islam › Re: Muslims: What Did You Learn In Islam Recently? by olabowale(m): 6:48pm On Sep 25, 2006
@Jayon: About 2 years ago, in New York, I met a new convert to Islam from Ghana. Actually, this man was part of the UN peace keeping force in the olf Yugoslavia.

Interestingly, his convertion to Islam was by chance in Italy, in one of his off duty vacations.

As he sat with me in the Mosque before prayer, he tlod me his journey to this religion that is Islam.
In essence, he was saying that he did not descover Islam in Ghana, or any part of Africa. Why in Europe. This is God's will.

What I got from his extensive account was this; When a Muslim does anything evil which is naturally against the tenance of Islam, it is as if the whole of the Muslims world over has to account for it.

This military man explained his thesis in a very simole way; If on Friday in his home country, a Muslim does not go to the Friday prayer, he is often reminded of it even by the non mislim neighbor. If a muslim man were to do something unacceptable, he is often asked, why, or confronted that the action is unIslamic. (Most people will say that it is against the Sunnah. I heard this expression and was familiar with it even before I knew what was Sunnah, itsef).

So, in my response to your accusation in the entry above, I quite agree with you about the bad qualities of Muslims. But I clearly disagree with you about Islam.

To learn about islam itself, you need to go to the Qur'an and Hadith. To judge the Muslims' Islamic quality, the weakness or goodness of individuals, the barometer is the Qur'an and Sunnah.

Happy trails. Iwish you well in your quest of descovery, if you take it. Remember that you only answer for your faith and deeds with God, in the day of Judgement. I say to you that you worship the true God, Who is One.
Islam › Re: Prophet Muhammad in the Bible by olabowale(m): 11:23pm On Sep 24, 2006
@ Havila; We are not talking about cocktails of tree barks and roots and trees. We are talking of physiological properies and finds. For example, the precise description of gestations, lactations and digestion. I am just naming a few. We are not talking of trial and error, which is what you find in Medicine, sometimes. That is why Medicine is not an exact science.

I am asking the person who can shed light on these things, at least the part that relates to medicine.

@Babyosisi: You pray and I will pray for you. God will accept the prayer of the truth full, if it is His Will. The main thing is that we invite each other/one another as humans to Paradise and warn against Hell fire.
Christianity Etc › Re: .::Ramadan Kareem::. The Moon Has Been Sighted! by olabowale(m): 10:03pm On Sep 24, 2006
@mamaput: Correct. However the effect of fasting in the month of Ramadan is the same.

For example, some muslims fast Mondays and Thursdays, every week of the year. In addition you can fast the 3 days of the full moon, or the 3 days when the moon is newly born. This constant or regular fast runs through the summer or long days of the year.

In view of this, the fast in the fall and winter months are shorter in duration relative to spring and summer.
The Ramadan fast does have a very particular pang on every individual. In general it is bigeasy in the winter than the hardship of summer.

Muslims fast because of the commandment from God. Every one is focused on the hope of receiving the reward from God, alone. Only God that can truly reward.

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