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@Zebra; It is not my claim. You will find it in Suratul Saffat. Muhammad (AS), also said that Ibrahiim prayed to God to provide guidance from his lineage. Muhammad (AS) said he was the answer to that prayer. We must never forget that he is a decendant of Ibrahiim (AS), through the first and at one time only son, Ismael(AS).

Muhammad has no successor with God. Allah the Almighty God, completed Islam on Muhammad! What will be the purpose of a successor? None, since all that are needed for Mankind is in the Qur'an and all form of authentic Hadith and Sunnah of Muhammad (AS).
It was Muhammad who descibed Moses (A), Jesus (AS), that you will see many muslims fashioning their dressing, etc after these noble prophets of God. You will see muslims trying to fast the fast of David (AS), supplicate like Jonah (AS). You will see muslims copying Joseph (AS), in the matter of abstaining from fornication.

All the prophets of God, from Adam (AS) to Muhammad (AS) are examples for muslims. It is through Adam that you find the statement of asking God for forgiveness. However, Muhammad bring everying to a boil, tying all the loose ends together. Allah is Powerful.

@Babyosisi; I do not know what you are talking about, in respect that some discrimination occurs in Hajj. As to use your term, the Negro quarters, where is that? I have not heard of it. Surely those who left from America or Europe have not experienced it. I have not heard it from the contigents from the African nations.

Your problem is that you have this opinion and whether it is true or false, does not matter. As long it is mud, continue to throw it, maybe it will stick. You see, while you are still alive, Islam will be victorious. Muslims have just take away hypocracy from their hearts. Doing good and avoiding evil.

I wonder if you are saying that there are no educated men and women in Islam. What happened to the America and European men and women, black and white flocking into the religion, yearly. Is it that you want to end up in fire of hell because of your arrogance? I feel for you, because, Hell is real. Its fuels include mankind, male and female.

@Babyosisi: If you have spoken the truth, it will not hurt anybody. It is the lies which the christians, indeed you being the cheerleader that leave us all in astonishment. Even though you were all given a site to visit, you all closed up your minds.

I asked you to tell me if Aisha (RA) was born before Muhammad received revelation. How old was she before her father, Abu bakr (RA) became muslim. You conveniently ignore these many questions. You, individually know that the moment you know the truth, you may have no foundation to your accusation. I rather want you, Babyosisis, as a Doctor to give me the profile of a pedophile. You and others can even do it.

Really, what can you do, except false accusations? If you think you will change minds by embellishments, it will not work with any muslim on this thread.

As openly as the Jews declared their enemity against Muhammad (AS), in his day, they did not accuse him of pediphilia or any of the many accusations that you have against him. I wonder if this is not a deep seeded evilness that has a root somewhere else. Your only opportunity is that you are saying these thing against the good quality of a dead man (AS). Well, we his followers will at least confront you and remind you of your evil. So that you know, when God, our Creator punishes for this lies that you have spoken/written against His Messenger, Jesus(AS), will not be able to rescue you. Jesus had not sent anyone to defend him by worshipping him and defaming his successor.

Nothing can individual say about allah, even if you write it in lower case letters or about Muhammad (AS), that will take away from the reality of things. Allah is the Almighty. Believe it or not. Muhammad (AS) is the Messenger after Jesus (AS). No one will change it.

I will like to be the pastor, if that is true that comes to the religion of Islam. Except that I was never a pastor and I have always been a muslim. Babyosisis, fulfil that statement youhave made. be that pastor that comes to Islam and be benefitted.

@Babyosisi: You are a smart woman. Can you tell us, for sure that it is Islam that makes one Muslim kills another. Islam has nothing to do with this. God has commanded goodness between Muslims and even the extension of it to all creations, humans and others. The one who kills any muslim wil have his/her place in Hellfire. Indeed, the one who takes life, violating the soul of the deceased, that one, will have a place in hell! Such a person has violated the commandment of the Most Powerful.

The issue of Darfur, is not as easy and straight forward as you may think of it. Most people professes faith with their lips, but the actions show different. A good population of Muslims is unhappy and saddened, by the general conditions of mankind, the killing that are taking place in the muslim communities.

African killing Africans, B;acks on Blacks killing, individually or communually is bad. The iraqi or others killing each other/one another is terrible. I am a muslim, i detest death. This quality, i take from Muhammad (AS). he said that wishing death is forbidden.

There is only reward, islamically, if you are a Muslim and then pray 5 times a day. If a muslim who does not pray fasts, he has no reward in the truest sense of it. However, all dcisions belong to allah, the Almighty God.

@Babyosisi: I will only read what came from jesus(AS). if is authentic. i do not want any cooked up job passing as coming from jesus (AS). Okay, your paradise must be boring. It is simply saying that the Nuns and the priests, who have absatined from sex on the earth will not get any in this Paradise? Chineke! Thats hard to swallow. Yet, God the almighty created mankind to have this and others. You ae saying really, that this paradise is devoid of any resemblance of the felicities of this world; eating, drinking and sexual relationships.

What is really the reward since you said that worship will continue and it is the only thing, really.

You better come to my side. My paradise involves eating, drinking and sexual relationship. but there is no hardship in it. that is really the reward of Good worship and good deeds tempered with the Mercy of the Merciful.

Aren't you are good listener?

@Babyosisi: Could you research the age at which she passed away for me. While you are at it, you might as well know how long she lived as a widow. Then you can actually talk about her real age. If you must know, she was about 4-5 years old before Islam of muhammad.

Since her father was one of the earliest persons to accept Islam, outside the core members of Muhammad's own family. He, Abu Bakr (RA)was never reported to have any other children after accepting Islam. If muhammad (AS) spent 13 years in Makka and then 2 years of Hijra added to this, you will definately get 15. Add 15 years to her age before birth, you will not get less than 19-20 years!

I do not know how young you are, if a grown man who is about 30 years your senior were to marry you, to victimize the man, his enemies may say that he is rocking the cradle. People may not put into consideration that you are a mature woman. Babyosisi, do not let God, the Almighty Allah, record you as enemy of Muhammad. That will be a certain tragedy! Did you read the histort of his enemies? His Uncle, Abi Lahab, Abu Jahal, etc?


Since Muhammad (AS) was a year older than her father and coupled with the fact that she was the last of her father's children, even then, his enemies did not use this against him. It must have been normal, even if she were as young as 9! Afterall, there is no set age for maturity or reaching puberty.

You are too restrictive, yet you claimed modernity. Maybe you should marry an older man and then he will spoil you, then you can appreciate the real relationship that can develop between much younger woman and a lot older man. You may like it, then you can claim child abuse, since you are no more a child on the one hand, but a child to the man on the other hand.

@Babyosisi: What is the christian concept of Hellfire?
Please tell us what will be values of paradise compared to this earth> For example, is there any food in paradise and how are they compared to that of the earth. What is the nature of the pleasures of Paradise compared to that of the earth. Is there any pleasure at all. From you summation above, it seems that that paradise will be a boring place. I will hold on to my opinion until you describe what Hellfire is. The punishment and the difficulties. Is there any Hellfire and then any punishment in it.

@Babyosisi: You categorised somebody to be a womanizer, a rapist, a pedophile, etc. Could you, as a Doctor give us the Law enforcement defination of each, whereever and however applicable. If its the medical defination of each, thats okay, too.

Muhammad (AS), in his lifetime, in the Arabia and all the cultures and civilisations that knew about him, none ever used any of your listed labels for him. Yet, in those days, there were ample enemies of his movement. The Romans, the Babylonians and others were not in the list timid about their thought, but they never called him any of these. The makkans, even the Jews, Christians and others in Madina and the surrounding settlements, including the people of Taif, there was no record of any accusation of his highest moral and social qualities.

I wonder if we, the lastest generations, the johnny come latelies think that we are of the highest standard of moral and social knowledge,hence we now know what the earlier generations did not know.

At least, from the beginning of Islam, we all know that Jesus was regarded as a Prophet (AS) and that the Bible was said to be corrupted. This was told to the the King of Ethiopia in the minor Hijra to his kingdom. They told him of the condition of mary and her son. It was in this truth that even he, the king accepted Islam and was on his way to see Muhammad (AS) in Makka when death came to him. Muhammad (AS) made the prayer of the unseen on him and today you find Muslim bearing his name.

I think that we must be truthful about whatever we say to the the public. Muhammad case about marriage was different from the general muslim community. For example, muslim male can marry christian and Jewish female in addition to the preferred marriage to muslim female. However, any of the wives of the prophet can not be anything but a muslim. In the chapter known as the Confederates, one will see where Allah, the Almighty spoke about the wives of Muhammad (AS), compared to the wives of the general muslim population. His relationship was that of political and social alliances, etc.

Aisha (RA), died at the age of 67 after she had lived 40 years as a widow. If you calculate that, she was 27 when the Messenger (AS) died. They consumated their marriage in 2 AH. Even if she was as young as you make it to be or the actual age as I had mentioned, above, she served an immensed functions to the muslims. Through her, we learnt alot of Hadith and Sunnah. She gave so much t the muslims because of her age, having such a sharp mind, she became a sponge for knowledge.

@Babyosisi: Am trying to be moderate. Its hard work. Unlike you have it down packed. Someday, you will have to teach me your method. Have you heard about the Homosexual congressman after little boys? That's something, heh?

The ones who do not belieev that there is a religion that is commanded by God upon His creation or do not even believe that God existe or claims that one religion gives supernatural power to him/her, my question to you is this; Can you delay your death for a moment, when it comes? Don't you see in yourself the power of God? That God exists and only He hold true power? If you belief, it is in Him only. If you ask, it is from Him alone. If you pray, it must be to Him, without any association, whatsoever.

You see that you age, however unnoticed, but in time you see that are older. Each day we approach our grave, the end of our journey. Every Friday, people say thank goodness it is Friday. But the forgot that a whole week from their life is spent, inching, ever so steadily to the Grave. the reality of man! It is like birth.

@ The Christians; Since you disagree with the Muslims' description of Paradise, please give your own version. Further, can you tell us the reward of an obedient male/female upon entering Paradise. What are the differences of paradise daily live and what is Hellfire's?

Cna anyone tell us what will be the relationship of family members who enter Paradise and that of the Hellfire inhabitants?

What type of foods, husband and wife relationship in paradise and what is that of hell?

@Backslider: Just as Pharaoh was defeated by God through the hand of Moses, while Moses (AS) and his brother Haruun (AS) and those with them were not capable in the least to fight Pharaoh might (but baseless and already doomed) army. All things are possible by Allah. Nothing is impossible with Him. He encompasses everything.

My question to you is this, what is your father's thaought about your abandoning Islam for Christianity?

@Wumine: There is a true religion, as you say it; the WAY. However, people may not be practising it properly or correctly, that is not a reason not to acknowledge it. Infact, it does not take away from its purity if it si abandoned, altogether. It is always constant in its purity. However, it is mankind, indeed the one who claim to worship in this path 'the WAY' that have to wonder about. The greater wonder, still, is the one who refuse knowingly and unknowingly refused to seek 'the WAY'.

@Backslider: You said God created mankind in His own image. Are you saying to mean that the physiology of man is like that of God; the inside and out? Please tell us what you really mean.

So it was your lack of faith or the little faith that you have at that time that made you convert to Christianity. How come we have Jews who wre Rabbis in the time of muhammad (AS), converting to islam of Muhammad. How come now that you have Jews coming to islam even pre and post 911, in America. I have some as riens in New York City. I also have met some in massachussetts.

Could you tell me, during the time of Muhammad (AS) that in the Arabian penisula, there was a very significant amount of jews in Yathrib, which became madina? Go and ask a knowledgeable Jew about this.

Yes, the Yahud will be gathered to Palestine. There is a reason for it. Your reason that they will be victorious in the long run is false. During the time of muhammad, the Muslims won and lost battles. Yet, muhammad is the prophet and messenger of the Most Powerful.

Look at the birth rate and gender of the birth of the Israeli and the palestinians. The palestinians are larger and males, whereas, the jews are smaller and females.

It may not happen in our lifetime, but it will happen that the palestinians will be able to stand up to the israeli and won over them. Just like Moses defeated Oharaoh, nothing is possible before God.

@Backslide: Aisha (RA) died inthe caliphate of Muha wiya. This after the murder of Ali bin AbiTalid (RA). This is where shi'a movement began in Islam. Aisha died at the age of 67. She had lived as a widow 40 years. Please deduct 40 from 67. What you have is 27.

Muhammad (AS) died when Aisha was 27. She was married to him , rather the relationship was consumated AH 2. Muhammad died AH 10. When you deduct 2 from 10, you will have 8. When you deduct 8 from 27, you will have 19. This was the age of consention between the prophet and Aisha.

Whats so interesting about this is that Aisha was born before Islam. If you read the history of Abu Bakr, her father, you will know all these. You will know, also that Aisha was already angaged to someone else. She could have been married to that would be bidegroom except that that family caught off the engagement when the family of Abu bakr converted to Islam. So, marrying young, was the norm and not an exception with Aisha and Muhammad. In this case, I have just proven to you that Aisha was born before Islam of Muhammad, infact she was 4 years old, atleast. You are the one who should disprove my statement, by debunking all that I have just writte. Please give me when Aisha was born. Provide her age relative to her siblings. Provide her age when she died and provide how long she live after the death of Prophet Muhammad (AS). I provided a website where you could have easily source out all the relevant information, but no, you will not have anything to do with it. You have to stick to your viewpoint, even if it is wrong.

Hadith is very complicated. You have to have knowledge of its specialization. Infact, the age of Aisha (RA), relative to the Messenger (AS), being to young serve a well of knowledge fot the Muslims. She absorbed much knowledge from her Husband (AS) and she gave the Muslim community much knowledge.

The unfortunate think about christianity though, is that Jesus (AS) did not pracise that religion, nor did he name his followers (Companions), Christians. In view of this christianity is manmade religion.

Jesus practised the same religion as his father in faith, Ibrahiim and the rest of the prophets before him. Could anyone tell me that religion. Judaism was not it. At least, jacob was not a Jew. It was a branch of his children that Judaism was coined out.

For all who are not following the line of worship as these prophets, you may have gone far astray. If Moses is the prophet, will the christians and the Muslims follow him to paradise. If Jesus was the chosen prophet will the Jews and the Muslims follow him to paradise. If Muhammad is the chosen prophet will the jews and the christians follow him to paradise?

For sure, these three major religions, as of today, if God were to judge the followership, at best only one will go to paradise. Or all could go to Hellfire,not two or all will go to paradise.

Are you on the right path, or trying to search for truth?

Those who think that Hell is on this earth, please tell us the location. infact show it to us, its physical location; is it in the European, African, South American, Asian, the American , Australia or other continent. Where really?

Those who think that they are presently in hell, right now because of their financial, social, emotional or other factor, when they see Hell as the place of abode for disbelievers of the Oneness of The Lord of all creations, they will wish to go back to live that miserable life that they had lived on this earth. But it will be too late!

Hell is already created, just like paradise is. God is all powerful, in control of everything on earth, in heavens and in between and beyond our understanding. For those who limit the power of God, this simply amount to disbelief.

The life in this world is a test; to discriminate between the obedient and the disobedient. Are you trying to be obedient or are you knowingly or ignorantly disobedient? It is our duty to find the right guidance. You do that by not associating anything with God, because is One, not two, three or more. There is God and nothing is accident of occurence or happens by chance. Do you notice the impeccable order of all things?

No one had eyes on the knees, nor the heard sitting outside the skin on the arm. No one has fingers on top of the scalp! Adam and his wife are already forgiven by their Lord. This is the way God has taught mankind the process to seek forgiveness from Him. God will forgive all sins, except disbelief; associating anything with him or claiming that He does not exist.

@Sanks: I hope you are having a better day, than yesterday. My intention is not to make you get so uptight and you are loosing it. No, my man, I want you to think hard and wonder, what all that you have believed in is a fluke! That's all.

Fast is not just skipping lunch or rearranging meals. Fasting, particularly, Ramadanentailsalot of day and night prayers and reading and supplications and doing good deeds.
Normally, Muslims and all people to eat enough food for 1/3 of the stomach, 1/3 drink and leave the remaining 1/3 for air. A meal that may be adequate for 1 person can accomodate 2 people. Muslims are supposed to be moderate ineverything. One is not to indulge in food and drink to much.

In Ramadan, extra prayers and reading of Qur'an are done at night. The fast must begin just before dawn. In the summer months, this is at about 2.45-3.15am. The fast is then broken at sunset. This could be very close to 9pm during summer months. Unfortunately, people are very weak and succumb to the pang of hunger. This should not be so. Muslims should be kind and merciful, in all cases.

the sweetness of Islam can only be experienced when you are in it. For one, God the Almighty Allah is the only focus. Nothing else. You will find the truth about Islam in America. This is what i have noticed. Of course, i was naive about Islam just until few years ago.

The good quality of the Muslims in American is not because of the law of the land alone, but the proper understanding of Islam. You see the exconvicts of violent crimes having the best of conduct. Most of them become a pillar of their core, extended family nd indeed their communities.

So you see, there is more than meet the eye. Take a second look at Islam. You will be descovering it for the first time.

@self-service: Do not find yourself in Hell. The only guarantee is the Mercy from the Most Merciful. Directly, without any association with God.

@Babyosisi: Unfortunately, no dead has actually risen to tell us about the experience of death. What the eyes begin to see from when the soul is being extracted from the body! This is why people, who are on the wrong path, in their worship, do not know the truth. God was is the right path. It is just one way since the time of Adam. This path will be the path that will exist for the last man/woman on earth.

God never changes His laid down path for His creations, mankind. It is simple and direct; Worship Me , aloneand do not associate anything with Me.

If this is true, then I ask you as a Doctor, have you ever seen anyone who had always lived. Never tasted death and still remain on earth. Waiting for the Uphoric concept of Raptor! You are good woman. I know we have had our fights, but that should never be any reason to lie to each other. I do not want you to be part of the party which is destned for destruction in the fire of Hell.

God may forgive all sins, but He will not forgive a person who dies on the belief of associating anything with the One God. In Igbo language, call Him Chineke. He compasses everything but nothing encompasses Him. So if one associate anything or anyone that the earth has contained, that is the great sin.

I wish everyone to be far away from that form of sin. There is a chance as long as one is still alive. Death is the one that ends the book of life of each of us. If you think you will cheat death, it will not be possible. The real issue is that we do not know when death comes to each person. Since we do not see the future, we must be preparing for death by doing what is right, while we worship in the right way. Inclination to doing good deed is different from true belief. In every one there is good and bad tendencies. The one who does good does not have to believe in the existence of God. Most of the humanists are doers of good, but do not believe that there is God. Take Bill Gates for example. He does good but does not believe that God exists. Yet, he can not control the flow of blood in his body!

This is to show that God allows everyone to choose the course of his/her own destination. The one who did not worship God; either disbelieving that God does exist or never follow the prophet or guide of his/her time, will end upin Hell. No one can blame God and asssert that God is unjust. The path to victory is very clear. This is why there is a prophet to every generation/nation.

If you look at yourself, you will see that you were younger 15 years ago than what you are today. I pray that you live long, a full life, not to be cut short from the fountain of life. In another 15 years from now, you will definately notice that you are not as young as you are today. This is a sign that death will come, definately, it will when it is unexpected.

I pray that youwill listen to the voice of wisdom within you. There is no god worthy of any worship, except and none along with the true One God. When you ask, ask Him. When you pray, pray to Him, alone.

@Backslider: Are you saying that the miracle of splitting the moon, as it was through Muhammad (AS), is then considered to be magic, not a miracle? Are you familiar with the amount of Miracles the lord of the world performed through Muhammad? Before is birth, after his birth before the beginning of revelation, during his prophethood and after his death? Are you familiar that supernatural occurences, still happens among the muslims, even up to this day? And that miracles, by Allah's permission will happen in the future, still, till the last generation of muslims to be alive?

I will want us to set a ground rule for our discussions: That we research anything we write to support our argument and stick to a topic and discuss it for at least three entries; From the issue of Aisha (RA), being an under age. Are you refering to her as under age in this time or the time of Muhammad's Makka? Will you, again tell me about the age that she died, whose caliphate era she died in and how long she was a widow before she died. What you will find is theage that she was when the beloved of the Most merciful died. Then you deduct from that age, the number of years that she was married to Muhammad. What will be left is her true age when she got married to the prophet (AS).

We should then discuss ALLah, next. Your claim that He is  amoon god. maybe you want to say that He is the God of the moon which He created> Just like He is the God of Sun, Angels, erath, heavens and all things, including mankind. Under this topic, I will like you to tell us how many things do Allah swear by in the Qur'an? Does He not swear by the time itself and others?

We should move to the topic of the miracles yhrough the hands of Muhammad (AS), that are performed by Allah. IS it not true that you will read in the Qur'an that Allah said that when Muhammad (AS) threw the sand into the eyes of the Makkans ain the battle of Badr, He, Allah said that it was Him that threw it not Muhammad(AS)? The Biggest Miracle itself is the Qur'an. Do you know that wolf spoke to a Jewish shepard about the presence of Muhammad (AS) in Madina and that Jew later became a Muslim. Do you know that Jews joined in the battles, companions of Muhammad (AS), knowing about himfrom their book. Do you know why there were so many Jews in Madina before Muhammad arrival?

Will you be sincere. First do a thorough research before you embenk on any writing. Please, do not pander to the individuals who want to feel good about unbaseless rethorics. If you abandoned Islam, for whatever reason, please go beck and have a thorough repentance. God is the Most Merciful, Most Forgiven, All Encompassing.

You know the attributes of Allah. Do you give the same to the Moon. Have read about the moon in the Qur'an? You think Allah is moon god or is He the Lord of the moon?


I will also be interested in your mariam issue. Have you read Surah Abasa? You think Muhammad (AS) who devulge that sural and others to the community of the Muslims, immediately it was revealed will lie about Mariam's sisterhood to Haruun? You should read about the chapter about the women who argued.  You should read the Qur'an, again and again. Afterall, you and any of us, none can claimed that there has never been a period of trial or a time if given the situation, one would want to change. Even though I never truly left islam but i had abandoned it, somehow in my past. I am asking God the Almighty Allah to forgive me and then all Muslims, both males and females.

@Babyosisi: Its possible to lose somebody sometimes. Thats why you have to work hard to get what you want.

About the challenge, are you up to it? I want you to follow Jesus's to the T, in everything.For me I will follow Muhammad (AS). Then we can see how it goes. Few months, in our lives, could be considered to be a small fraction. But very tiny when you think about eternity. So I am inviting you to the best part of Eternity, Paradise. I want you to never taste the punishment of Hell.

@Backslider; are you going to give the information that I requested from you about when Aisha died? her age and for how long did she live as a widow.

As to my being agreeing with you? No. Not only was it the norm back then, some situation still exists in the West and Africa and others where young women or man is ready for marriage. There is no set age of puberty. I was not even ready to marry at almost 30! Some people it is at the age of 18!

Please do you research about Aisha and i will like to know about your findings.

And I did not say that I have not read the Qur'an. i said that i need to read more Qur'an in this month of Qur'an.

@Backslider: In the month of Ramadan, people are encouraged to read the Qur'an as much as they can. It is a command, because it is the month of Revelation.

Now to you point about Aisha (RA). Could you please tell me if she was born before Muhammad(AS) began to receive revelation?
If so, how old was she. If not when was she born.
Could you tell me how old was she before her father became a muslim.
How old was she before she died.
Who was the Khalifah when she died. Lastly how long was she a widow before she died.
While you are at it, could you tell us about her parents and her siblings age relative to hers.

Get me answers to these questions and you will tell me that she was more than the 9 years of age that was popularly believed. Even if she was 9, it is okay with me because of the time and space. She was a special woman for a special man (AS).

@Babyosisi: Good morning to you. Or is it already afternoon where you are. I was hoping it was you that responded. I have some friends visiting. We talk about the nairaland threads, I mean my adventure on it. In good clean fun, I mean. I know that you will enter the fold of Islam. It is just a matter of time.

Here is what i want you to do; in the Bible, try to copy whatever Jusus did. How he prayed who he prayed to as well. remember the prayers in the Garden of Geshemenee? Please start from there. Also ask forgiveness and pray to whoever he, Jesus supplicated to.

I will copy Muhammad (AS). Including his taste for perfume and women, etc.

Lets give each other few months, then we will compare notes. Its is something to think about.

@Kikanuka: I won't. I have already accepted my fate. I am very comfortable with it. I trust that allah, the Almighty will have mercy on me. I do not need a true mercy from anyone, except from Him.