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Is Christianity a devine religion from God (by name) through a named prophet, please give proof of it from the mouth of either.




And you do not set the rule; I set the rule. Otherwise, your two question and my two question will dilute the sense of direction of our discuss. When we are finish with Christianity, we will come to Islam. God willing both of us will still be alive. I still have close to 75 years nore on earth, God willing, so that I can deal with your type of minds. I will delay my time for paradise so that I can bring many more souls with me, InshaAllah.

Marrriage is a contract betwwn two people; the future spouses; male and female. The woman, if she want to pay her own Mahr, Dowry which you call "Sadaiki" based on your local name for it, can do couple of things;

1). She can reduce th amount to almost nothingness; a naira or even less, or agree on a future IOU with him deferring collection ntil he becomes wealthy, or she can give him the money as a loan or a gift, to pay the DOWRY/Sadaiki as I am guessing the payment may need to be acknowledged by more than the wife, based on your cultural process, from your writing.

Whatever the process, her volunteering to pay it is not unusual, even if it has to be acknoledged by the "male guardian" representing her. I am also assuming that her parents are the "benficiary/ies" of this monies? If they are it, is wrong and unIslamic, since the are really not principal per see in the contract. Parents are neither the wife nor the husband. If the wife wishes to give them the monies as a thank you for rearing me, that is something she can do on her own. The monies is primarily hers, for being a woman, a wife. This type of payment, Dowry is always a token and no one should ask for out of reac amount, even if the husband can afford it, it will set a bad presidence in the community for other future wives to ask future husbands to meet or better it, and Islam is not a rat race or trying to be like the "Jones" nor the marriage is a sale of wife to her husband. It is a token as prescribed by Allah, as part of the essential ingredients of marriage; a guardian, witnesses, a khatib/officiating person, are the others.

@Kolaxy: The son of Ibrahim (AS) whom his father was attempted to sacrifice had more strength to handle it, far more than the older and mature man, Jesus who knew his own purpose, from the get go, according to your Bible. No? Read your bible, again. And all that you wrote, except ypur own conjecture, whre you said he created his own people, each and everyone of his quality is exactly that of HUMAN Prophet, at best. Nothing more and no godly quality about him.

Moses suffered more than him! lets be real and mature about it, man.

@David: You are very exciting. You are cornered like Michael Vick's pit bulls. You have no response, so the best way out it, is to begin to dock, uhm? Odaa o. While you are still trying to play the three blind mice, try analysis 1 John 4:1 about "prophet, comforter!"

And did you see my list of Ethiopian Christians worship and others christians and Jews bowing and prostrating like muslims?

@Saalma: So spirit here is equal to "prophet?"

@davidylan: Tell me if the OT is still in full force as Jesus had commanded and summed up by saying "I did not come to abolish the laws and the prophets. Whosoever abolishes or encourages anyone to abolish any of them, will be the least in the Kingdom of heaven", or that we are now in the "love your God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself?"

Make your choice bro and your "what a disgusting lie" statement, you just have to eat 'em all up, like mickey who eats everything, afterwards!

same Isiah in OT that has been rolled up into "Love your God and Love your neighbor?" Davidi wee maa paa eeni! Thats Ijebu to mean you will not kill us (me, majestic pronoun)!

@Ogogoro: « #25 on: Today at 08:31:21 PM

Quote from: olabowale on September 03, 2009, 11:10 PM
@ogogoro :« #2 on: Yesterday at 10:55:20 AM » Jesus didn't say that. You and your Bible writers said thats what Jesus said. Jesus knew better not to say that he is a son of his Creator! Why would the Creator have a child, which will negate His Creator Position, since that will not be 100% anymore?

Very confident. Can you please enlighten me on how "me and my Bible writers" managed to confuse Jesus' saying?

Show me any holy book, apart from the Bible that says "Jesus is God, Jesus is son of God, Jesus is crucified, Jesus died, Jesus ressurrected, Jesus is a third of God, Jesus is the last prophet for mankind, Jesus saying is the final for mankind, Jesus is the only way, Jesus is the only salvation source, Jesus is the Creator, Jesus is not created, Jesus is the Lord of the day of Jugement, etc."? You will realise that what I said that you and your Bible writers said is right on the money! By the way the Darby Publishing company is now going to edit anew and produce a gender "based or corrected" NIV, for the world! I guess every so often the "WORD" needs a face lift, to make it more "perfect" than before!

And also how series of independent Biblical accounts given by different people all happen to be in correspondence?

You wanna bet your last dollar on this? Considering that the Gospels do not contain exactly the same informations, and needs updating as in versions, editions, etc, every generation, or just longer or shorter? How about catholic version, Douwy that the protestants copied and the protestants have the gull to call the catholics idolworshippers? You have no right to do that. Only the muslims can call you christians "Wholesale" pagans, since you are at least say Tri (3) nity (gods)!

@Reindeer: the response is on "please serious questions for muslim brothers and sisters", black ricks or richblacks.

the below is a website you can get great information to quench your thirst about this subject and others of islam and lies of nonMuslims:

www.answering-christianity.com/apostates.htm - Cached - Similar

@reindeer: Dr. please read your brother noetic's statement before you read my and mis-diagonise me. Thank Allah that am not your patient and what my outcome is is known to Allah and you alone. For sure you will intend to do me harm.

In another thread we have presented a Quranic and Sunnah position that there is no requirement to kill a simple and ordinary apostasy. Ask someone to help you or just google; is it islamic to kill apostates, and read the response of Answering Christianity people. I used my macaroni to answer and Allah give the answering Christianityto do plenty of justice on the subject.

Noetic can answer my question in a new thread. I want him to sell me Christianity. Then I will sell him the most expensive product at no money down and nothing else to pay afterwards. All for Fi sabillillah.

@davidylan; aburo nje o ri the telabela church thing in Ethiopia, about the way the early christians worshipped ala Jesus?

@gen@genius:

What if Miracle accepts Islam today, does it automatically make her heart pure and her character pleasing to God?

It will be a beginning to throw away old and rotten things; 3 gods in 1, a hung god, etc and a discarding of instructions from a prophet, while rejecting the latest prophet and relegating earlier prophets and their laws to nothingness. Look, i live in New York, where some hardcore gangsters now are great individuals because of their islam. They love God and for God they love creations! Now top that, since they are hopeful in meeting their Creator and seeking His favor, Mercy, Forgiveness, etc, depending on Him, alone!

It's high time you muslims got your priorities right. What people need is a change of life, not a change of religion!

Yet you have christianity as a religion, changing from what people will say is Judaism. You are a hypocrite.

There are muslims who uphold the 5 pillars of Islam and yet live a sinful life and ask for forgiveness everyday.

So is the case with every religion, including Christianity!

So, how does accepting Islam help anyone?

The exact same way Christianity does not help anyone, but then the case of Christianity is worse since Jesus said that not all who calls him lord, lord will enter the kingdom of heaven, it means kingdom of hell. Then he said in the day of Judgement some will come to him with statement that they used to do pleanty of great Miracles in his name, and he will say they are known by him, meaning that they should be carted to Hell, sorry Fire lake!

That's why you hardly hear Christians preach the message of "accept Christianity" because you may be a Christian and still not be what God wants you to be. That's why Christians still preach to one another on the need to be born again; on the need to have the new life of righteousness and holiness which God alone gives to all who approach in truth and sincerity.

And after all you diatribe, you are still calling yourself; Christian! You cant fool me. No sir. I wake pretty early enough than to fall for that kinds nonsense. You are going back and forth and not moving an inch. Your whole concept is rooted in Christianity, believe it or not. But then it is not that but the fact that it is foundamentally flawed! So call it rebirth of born again, or even Judaism, if you will, a rose by any name is still a rose. In this case you are selling me a dafidile/ or pantsy! Its a weed which needs to be choked off and kill of in the heart!



]quote]So, try to assess your beliefs and methods of propagating them and see if they truly have the potential to TRANSFORM people's lives or not. What God desires of us is to live a life that conforms to His words and glorifies his name, not merely following the tenets of a religion![quote][/quote]What has islam done for me? I am a boy of the 60s and early 70s. And in those days, life was pretty wild. Alhamdulillah, I am a muslim. I know what Allah has done by my heart accepting Islam. Is there anything you can say to me, that I have not gone through it and almost forgotten it. Islam is a tamer of wild and bad characters. I see me as a better man by it. I love my mother, pray for my late father (ra), and all the muslims in my life and the lives of all muslims who have passed. I do not drink wine, smoke, drug, adultery or fornicate, and not a club crawler. Thank Allah that I am changing lives, including christian business associates who I will not allow to indulge in usury or interest where he and I are involved!

They can depend on me that I will not cheat them or leave them in the loosh!


This afternoon, I saw a program on USA; NYC ABC-TV, about Ethiopia's historical importance. I did not see it from the beginning, but they were showing a christian church called "Telabela" township, I think. Its an old city of probably of an early christianity practise still. It was at 3-4 pm New York City time and to my surprise it is interesting to se how they worship. I want you to do your own researh about it and you will be surprised how very different is from your mainstrean Christian protol it is. I summize that it was the way, very close how Jesus worhipped then, so were his disciples. And jesus must have found it so from how Zakariyyah and his son yahya (AS) worshipped, a process tat am sure Musa used in worshipping his Creator!

What is Christianity? I will have over or close to One Hundred Questions about your "religion" you will answer and I will seek explanations. Then after all is said and done, You will ask your questiona nd not those draconic ideas because that will make drop you like a bad act! It will be quick and painless.

@dexmond: « #11 on: Today at 02:05:10 PM »  

@olabowale
How could Mohammed be the holy spirit when jesus clearly said he is with you and shall be in you?
With you here signifies him talking face to face with them. In them means, he christ will live inside them just as a demon does live inside man.

We now se that Jesus is also the holy spirit himself! So before crucifixion, Jesus was both the unseen holy spirit and the walking and talking on the streets of middleeast son? Others frm christianity will find your statement absurd, one other reason, again there are different and consensus about him, among you christians, some say is son, others say son, father roll together, others think just human, yet others like you say he is ghost as well. As a ghost then it is safe that he got his own mother pregnant, including driving himself into the wilderness, crying "the hour is at hand," will ending up in the clutches of the devil to test him, until he said, "get out of here, satan!"

Fortunately, for me, you help me to ask you; if Jesus said he will live in the heart of the people present, then he must have died with them, leaving post people of generation without any to leave in their hearts, otherwise the prophetic statement is completely wrong. NO? Read your Bible and get back to me. There is no continuoum, if there was, then we will have to argue that the "holy spirit" who was the another comforter, a teacher, a speaker of truth, saying only what he hear from God, a reminder of what is truth only from what comes from Jesus, a restorer/glorifier of Jesus honoring position (making sure that any lies spoken about him and his mother are opposed), did not come in the lifetime of the "eyewitnesses" because it would just have died of with them, being that they received the first teacher "Jesus" and also received the second teacher, "the holy spirit," yet the first teacher felt that they were spiritually immature to receive the bigger more professorial "Second teacher the holy spirit!"

If you say that they are mature at the time of the penticosatl, then give us the scenerio ofwhat came to mature them so that the holy spirit did find them just right for the impacting of knowledge, when Jesus, only less than three months said they were like kindergarteen student for a Ph. D. education? How could Jesus who knew them so well could have been wrong? And what did the "Second teacher, the another Comforter the holy spirit" teach? Please least them and we all what to read them as that he would have heard from God what he said, what book specifically preserve the writing? We see new testament preserves what you christians say come from Jesus (the Gospel), we see what came from apostles/disciples are preserved in the "Acts", we see what came from Saul who became Paul are in the "epistles, etc", now what is the name of what came from the "Holy Spirit" called and where is it, because I wanna read it?

You now see that you will have to show me this "Book" because from it, I will read what is new that he taught, which Jesus did not teach, reminded of what Jesus taught in Truth, because that will separate the lies from the reality of Jesus teaching without any lies of man, honored Jesus, etc! You are now called out to fess up! Read the role of the Holy Spirit again and analytically discuss it in your heart, write it down and thoroughly correct yourself before coming to type any response, because you will not find a ghost, but a man with oliness of God guidance, a good spiritual quality and none of the impossibilities that you think is talking in your heart! You have been worshipping your desire or that of your church leaders going back as early as Paul's time!

John 14:17  the Spirit of truth: whom the world cannot receive; for it beholdeth him not, neither knoweth him: ye know him; for he abideth with you, and shall be in you.

The world cannot receive him, was either then, or never, will actually make what Jesus said impossible, considering that less than three months after this, you said the "spirit now came!" Three months  the cannot is no more? Is this flavor of the month, in baskin Robbin Ice Cream never an all time situation. Cannot seem to indicate therefore a never condition, and it seems to me that a prophet could not, from Isamic point of view say never and three months later the opposite happens! And you said this is your "God" in the flesh missing a statement as if he did not know what the absolute truth is? Explain for your "God" because this is absurd. Not knowing him, not beholding him, cannot receive him, all at the same time less than 90 days later, the people received him, knew him, abide with him, be in him, in such a short period of time?

Look at the sipirit living inside Mohammed.

And we will look at the spirit that lived in the inside of Noah, Ibrahim, Lut, Isaaq, Yaquub, Yusuf, Musa, Elijah, Elisha, Ezra, Daud, Suleiman, Zakariayyah, Yahya his son and Isa bin Mariam as well! You are in for a bumpy ride! You openned your mouth wrongly! Especially when you lie!

Giullame's translation of Ibn Ishaq, page 72:

A non-Muslim translating the work of a muslim, for non Muslim audience! And Ibn Ishaq may or may not have made any mistate, afterall he was not the prophet, nor was a companion or an eye witness of the life of the prophet (AS)!

"His [Muhammad's friend's] father said to me, "I am afraid that this child has had a stroke, so take him back to his family before the result appears. ,    She [Muhammad's mother] asked me what happened and gave me no peace until I told her.  When she asked if I feared a demon had possessed him, I replied that I did."

And this means it is true? Yu must be gullible. DExmond, I am the owner of brooklyn bridge, for a mere 50 Million USD. Buy it for Nigeria and am ready to write up the invoice and give you the deed for and on behalf of my beloved Nigeria. Get the money to me, as soon as possible! Thats how silly the above is to reality. And the same people, the family took Muhammad (AS), twice. And a person who is possessed by a devil as a child would not live out his live free of the handwork of demon(s), for over 34 years, since his mother died when he was only 6, tops, and he became a prophet at 40!

This happened after those two beings visited mohammed and ripped his hearth and took out a clot and said this is your portion you possessed of the devil. I'm going to look for tha hadith.

And who told anybody, except Muhammad related his story and there is no where he said "devil" in it! If you have the strength to stand behind it, your statement, I will go to Islamic source, where your Gullame claimed to take his statement. Where Ibn Ishaq must have to take it; the ahadith! But have to accept to leave Christianity for many reasons; killing of innocent man for your salvation is wrong and similar to killing a goat or human sacrificing. Thinking that old blood will help you; its dirty, nasty, uncivilized, and a big sham! Promoting God is 3 an impossibility, when you add a mere human and an Angel encroaching the third to father sitting and visually immobile.

What was said, and only Muhammad knows it, not his friend who was scared nor his parents who were not there, was unbelief is removed and immensed amount of belief was put in its place. Every human has unbelief the reason we debated in our heart about right and wrong! And this same open heart surgery was performed a second time in Makka under the supervision of Chief surgeon "Professor Cardiac Surgeon Malaika Jibril!", in the operating room "Masjid haram", on the night just before the journey known as Isra wa miraj! The patient, Muhammad (AS), after the surgery , recovered nicely to travel not in an ambulance, buta fast shuttle machine of an animal called Buraq, tothe fasted most distant shuttle pad "Ilyya", the Jerusalem, for a dress rehearsal leading Jibril and all prophets, including Jesus your christian "God, as a terrible label on him," and others including Moses, and Ibrahim and all the way to Adam, 124,000 of them and a malaika, praying behind him, before he went to the first to and fro journey to heaven,!

Read each step; the very first and no one has been able to do exactly that. Jesus (AS) went up, and it is permissible for him to return, until Allah permits, says Muhammad in ahadith! Read it and study Islam and come back to me. InshaAllah you need education and we have capable muslims to help you, to understand what your heart can accept, and not the lies of impossibilities, head scratchers!

meaningless it is. especially when it is against you idea of islam.

@Beefy23: « #16 on: Yesterday at 05:07:45 PM »

There's is no disputing the fact that there are different translations of the Bible around, there are however old manuscripts around to which reference is made to at least ensure that we have (in the English language) as close a representation of the original words as they were taken down. It's more or less a case of the aspiring Christian to at least know the background history of the translation that you eventually decide to follow.

Close is not good enough! But thanks for being honest. Unlike skyone.

"Thus We have appointed you a model community (Ummah), that you may be witnesses against mankind, and that the Messenger may be a witness against you". [Quran 2:143]

Noble Verse 39:18 "Those who listen to the word, then follow the best of it; those are they whom Allah has guided, and those it is who are the men of understanding."


"Those who are present should convey (my message) to those who are not". [Al-Bukhaari]
"Whoever guides someone towards good, will receive the reward of the one who acts upon it." [Muslim]


The above shoulfd be the guide of muslims. And if an arab or a non arab decides to go into evil, going against the order of Allah and the way the prophet (AS) insttuted it, should we blame Islam or blame the deviant?

"kill whoever changes his religion". But this hadith is open to varying interpretations on several grounds.

First, this hadith is considered a weak hadith with just a single isnad (this means there is only one chain of transmission or narration) and thus according to the rules of Islamic jurisprudence, it is not enough to validate the death penalty.

Second, this hadith is also considered a general ('amm) hadith in that it is in need of specification (takhsis); for it would otherwise convey a meaning that is not within its purpose. The obvious reading of the hadith would, for example, make liable the death punishment on a Hindu or Christian who converts to Islam. This is obviously not the intention of the hadith. According to the rules of Islamic jurisprudence, when a text is interpreted once, it becomes open to further interpretation and specification. Therefore, many scholars interpret this hadith to apply only to cases of high treason (hirabah), which means declaring war against Islam, the Prophet, or God or the legitimate leadership of the ummah.

Third, and most importantly, there is no evidence to show that Prophet Muhammad saw or his Companions ever compelled anyone to embrace Islam, nor did they sentence anyone to death solely for renunciation of the faith.

Based on these three reasons and the Qur'anic principle of freedom of religion, prominent ulama (scholars) from the seventh to the twentieth centuries have come out with the position that there can be no death penalty for apostasy. According to Professor Hashim Kamali in his award-winning book, [b]Freedom of Expression in Islam, two leading jurists of the generation succeeding the Companions, Ibrahim al-Naka'I and Sufyan al-Thawri, both held that the apostate should be re-invited to Islam, but should never be condemned to death. The renowned Hanafi jurist, Shams al-Din al-Sarakhsi wrote that even though renunciation of faith is the greatest of offences, it is a matter between man and his Creator, and its punishment is postponed to the Day of Judgement. The Maliki jurist Abul Walid al-Baji and the renowned Hanbali jurist Ibn Taymiyyah have both held that apostasy is a sin which carries no hard punishment.[/b]visit,

In modern times, the celebrated Sheikh of al-Azhar University, the late Mahmud Shaltut who was esteemed for his vast knowledge of Islamic jurisprudence and Qur'anic interpretation, wrote that many ulama are in agreement that hudud cannot be established by a solitary hadith and that unbelief by itself does not call for the death penalty. The current Sheikh of al-Azhar, who was Egypt's former Grand Mufti, Dr Mohammed Sayed Tantawi, also declared that apostasy is not a capital crime.

Many scholars, including Ibn Taymiyyah, Shaltut and Tantawi, said that the death penalty was not meant to apply to a simple change of faith, but to hirabah, that is, when apostasy is accompanied by rebellion against the community and its legitimate leadership.

For Further readings: please go to Apostates: Should they be killed or saved?
Mar 28, 2006 , In order for a human being to accept Islam as his religion, he must be certain about it first. , "I found another verse in the Quran that dealt with apostates. , Notice that the Quran says those who reject faith and then , twentieth centuries have come out with the position that there can be ,
www.answering-christianity.com/apostates.htm - Cached - Similar

Is there a permission to kill apostates; born or reverted into islam and then left it? First an apostate is a person who left islam, and it does not matter whether born or reverted. But we have seen many verses that allow freedom of religion, and if a specific class of apostate is to be killed is now the question. We must therefore look into the Quran and fish out ahadith that suport any type of killing of apostatasy, and be unabashed about it, regardless of what the arabs or non arabs say, Islam stands on its own and muslim will have to be judged by it as it is outlined in the Quran and Ahadith/sunnah:


I do not find a verse in the Quran that says "kill anyone or all persons" just for leaving out of islam. And there is no authentic ahadith that says the same thing. The reason to kill therefore must be more than just leaving islam, otherwise there would not have been any reason for the many verses in Quran preserving lives, giving chances and opportunities for return to islam.

The persons killed have to be that they malign Islam, trying to destroy it, initially by joining it, within intention to go out and leave with others as well. When out of Islam, he/she openly waged war of ammo or wounding words, as said again maligning it, relentlessly hoping to damage it, as he is in the words of George Bush either with islam or with Them; pagans and enemies of islam!"


An enemy who attacks you was not intending that you survive, except to succumb to his intention; destruction of you. And if you have a chance to defend yourself, will you not do it, otherwise he is bent on killing you? Many in the early days of islam were determined to destroy islam and they joined it as a fad, then soon left it to begin open enemity in their campaign against the young society. the colluded with the pagans in every way they find. Should the muslims not react to them? These individuals are in a class by themselves and it is that class that is permissable to kill off, not all and every apostate! The same apostate who left so easily, harmless can also come back to it without more than realisation of the truth.

I have an older friend in lagos, actually her daughter is a dear friend of mine. Mrs Oulaja converted out of islam for many years, throughout her marriage, until just merely 5 years ago. Her children are now at the border of being 50 years old ladies, and Dolapo who is my friend was shocked as the nee bashua of Lagos returned, dubbing herself: one of the people who made the right choice, in fashion of an islamic book "Islam our choice!"

Before david started patting himself emptyly on the back, let me point out many facts:

1) The Book of Sole Authority in Islam is Quran.
a) Hadith and Sunnah explains and supports the relevant verse or verses that it addresses.

2) The human legislator for Allah is Muhammad (AS).
a) The sahabah, lived Quran as the Human personification lived it while they witnessed it
b) The tabiin saw the sahabah (RA) of Muhammad (AS) lived and explained to them so that the chain is not broken and no one begin their own Islam
c) The tabi tabiin saw the tabiin lived what the sahabah of Muhammad (AS) did and the chain continues, unbroken in the hearts and mind of Muminu

3) Iman Malik or was it Ahmad went to Madina and at the grave of the messenger/prophet (AS) point and said; everyone can be questioned, except
   the owner of this "Grave!"


Now that this is clear; the foundamentals of Islam is seen in the lifetime of the prophet, for if there is anything still missing then, islam would have not have been complete. And Allah says in the 3rd verse of the 5th Chapter that "Islam is complete, as a chosen religion and a favor for mankind and whosoever come to Him with anythng else, will be rejected and not acceptable!"


Since we are now talking about apostatesy, we must never forget that we have to look into what Quran says about it and how the messenger (AS) explained it to be carried forward. What others do outside of this, be they Presidents, Kings, Prime ministers, Imams, Judges, etc, singularly or communually, it does not matter, they are majority in head counts only and not in piety to Allah!


In Surah 4 verse 59, Allah says of the believers to hasten to Him and His Messenger and those in authority. The qualification of the one in authority is not just because he occupies a position, but that he is in line with what the Prophet says of Quran by his ahadith and sunnah, not creating his own H(islam)!


My situation now is to let us find out what Quran says by actual verses from it, talking about the people in that religion; Chapter 2 verse 208 says oh believer, enter islam wholeheartedly. This statement means exactly that, ridding the heart of all that is unislamic, and personal desire. Surah 2; verse 256 says there is no compulsion in religion, and Chapter 4:137 says "Those who believe, then reject faith, then believe (again) and (again) reject faith, and go on increasing in unbelief,- Allah will not forgive them nor guide them nor guide them on the way."


As it pains me, to see anyone reject faith in Allah, leaving out of islam, there is nothing one can do about it, except to have dialogue in the best of manner with him/her to understand why as Allah says in the Quran: about inviting people to islam in the best of manners and wisdom(Chapter 16 verse 125.

Now as we have seen, that Quran allows by verses for others to practice their religion, including apostates.

i know you are not a slave, massa! your massa in the bible called all christians (slaves /servants and masters) slaves of the one in heaven. imaging a girl who has a large red mcintosh apple, all of a sudden says now by virtue of been brain washed by some farmers saying that their own apple is always made up of baby apple, big apple and some third apple, the three apples in one apple is now a more sensible and good enough to be accepted over what is whole and wholesome, except if there is some dillutionment going on?

whats surprising is that she is now crying about the baby apple, which even the farmer says it is bruised in the skin or some flesh is rotten, etc, ignoring the others, and ignoring what its obvious; the singular apple that has no equal in taste, look and shinyness, to name a few of the unparallel qualities that none of the three in the 3 apples in one apple can ever match!

you, noetic should sell me the idea of trinity and read it yourself to see how silly and uncomplete you will come out to me. the girl with a silly silver or whatever cross on her neck, shedding "alligator" tears since she is now in florida; there is no crocs in the okee choobee swamp! she is now a pork eater as in a pig in a blanket food type.


what safety can a rotten apple give except stench and stomachache, food poisoning, making you sick.? is this what what follow the leader copy catting has turned to, targetting muslim children? arget me noetics! i will target you. sell christianity to me and let me ask you question about trinity; lets start from that. then sell washing in blood to me and I will ask you if the blood will not cake up already and or stink up the whole neighborhood! target me noetics, and sell to me why anybody will be oiling the body of a dead man except if he/she knew that thats not a dead body, but a body that was alive! would it not be that the oil will be similar giving medicine after death?


target me, noetic if you will not read me forcing you to explain why a God that is capable of deciding the fate of mankind by just simple forgive them out of His immense Mercy will now need to kill a person who does not want to die to bear the burden when he said that he will say to the big miracle workers in his name in the day off judgement "i do not know you?" you are in for a shock, when you dare to target me. I will run you raggedy! then I will sell you islam, if you have the gut for it, where you do not have to kill anyone or allow some man to determine your destiny! you will depend on God, The One , the irrisable, The Powerful, The Everlasting, The Knower, full of Knowledge and will never die!


Thats the relevance of the statement vis a vis the poor girl, from your fingers!

@Beefy23: « #13 on: Today at 03:31:31 PM »

To OP, the quote above sums up the correct attitude to perhaps adopt in this case. Check everything against the unchanging standard of the Word, discard that which does not fit in. If in spite of this, 'they' make life unbearable then perhaps it is time to move on.

Peace.

Gen2genius forgot to add "or when to change religion" to his response, above. But my statement is this; when you say check everything against the "unchanging standard os the Word" it gives me an idea, please correct me, if am wrong about it. The idea is this; are there many or at least "Word" that does not meet the "Unchanging?" If there is an "Unchanging please tell us since there are so many versions of the and editions and reeditions of the "Word" and t will be impossible that all of them are the singular "Unchanging standard of the Word!" I will like for sure to read your response.

@Skyone: « #12 on: Today at 02:44:20 PM »

(1)You have not taken time to study the principles of the Holy Trinity at one point but you can sum up criticism.

Whats there to study? Is there a way 3 different entities of equal mass and volume, be combined together while each remain complete, but the single entity they become is complete but also remain unchanged in volume and mass, as if its exactly like what each still remain to be after combination, and before the combination? What happens if one of them was removed? Shall say that the remaining two are still like if the third was always there, giving us the insight that the third was not important, in the first place? Thats what you have in your trinity!

The sad part is that you accept it, without thinking about it! Play this scenerio out with three apples in your hand and let me know what you get; for sure impossibility!

(2) You haven't either set aside your time to study the life of Jesus Christ and compare it with that of mohammed and see whose idea and principles justify the true ethical values of humanity or setting time aside to really invite the Holy Spirit into your life.

My lovely mother was a christian. I went to Christian school. I roommated with a Pastor in College. I married a christian. I have lived in Christian society more than I have ever lived in Nigeria. Most of my associates are christians! Is there anything that is still hiden to me in Christianity? Tell me now! What; the fact that all you have to do is to belief in the death on the cross and the risng up; friday evening to sunday morning is not 3 days and 3 nights, and all is okay, yet Jesus can't wholesomely guarantee all of the christiansParadise? What is it and whats the purpose of the death, if he cant guarantee everything, if you just belief in it, without having to do anything else, when he said "i do not know you, even as they say to him "lord we performed great miracles in your name"?

Pls answer this questions:
Pls Tell me any prophesy of mohamed that has come to pass and why he coudn't heal the sick during his days and where is he now.

Surah Rum's first few verses is a great prophesy about Rome future defeat of Persia, and it came to pass, already. Another is about the recovery of the body of pharaoh the tyrannical king who perished in the see, as a sign for later generations of mankind; Surah Hud, I think! The fact that the Bible will alway be corrupt, needing improvements always, and editions, revisions, etc and indeed versions are great proofs. By the way the Darby Publisher of NIV Bible are just about to begin a new edition, by theirgender appropriate editing just about to begin right now! And oh, JeSoul started a thread where NIV was hatcheed out against others, as more reliable, verses misssing in others, etc. And who will forget the catholic Bible fuller than the Protestants, yet the protestants call the catholics Pagans?

Andthere is a thread that was started by Pilgrim in 07, which was titled "the Great miracles in Islam" or something like that. I responded it to with many miracles and provided book/reference sources and websites for your education. I did it this week, say monday or thereabout. Go search for it, because I will not list any of the miracles here; except that when he cured eye problems, by Allah it was done in three different ocassions!

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Medicine after death
You've enjoyed your lot and come here to ask questions.
maybe u forcefully ask her to come.
tell us the in-thing jare

did anyone catch the similarity to oil annoitment, after dead? both are unreal. it is useless to give medicine to a "dead" body, if one believes he/she is not dead, yet. the same way a jew would have secured a good amount of oil to rob on the body of a dead man, except for sure one is in the know that he was not dead, while the majority boasted about his dead. no?

Allah is Mighty in Power, and all Knowledge is His, allowing this tidbit to rol out from the keyboard of the above poster, classic and for the ages!

was palestine inhabitted before Ibrahim (as) migrated out of the city state, Ur in present day iraq, according to History? what was the land and its people called before Ibrahim, the fathe of ismail, isaaq, (AS)?

palestine was a jewish city, when the word jew was derived from Judah, one of the sons of Jacob, though I acept that holocaust took past, taking away lives of seeral millions with it!

plagiarized from where? I have not seen a bible in over three months since i left manhattan! while i was in manhattan, i do not look at the bible, even though i have one or two on the shelves. am muslim and what need is a bible, a torah or a hindu book, etc to me when Quran Karim and Ahadith/Sunnah books and Sirah and others are available to enrich me?

and why should the man asking for advise change from one source of heat, burn to another? will be not get cooked up and in the long run charred in the microwave, a terrible end anyhow, as what will be realised if it was wooden stove, electric or gas burner or oven, etc? he can avoid all of that by making a complete change, drop off the burden (cross) and free himself, once and for all, with the Mercy of Allah by accepting Islam. no one have to die for you and you dont have to cover yourself with some stale blood. or belief the unbeliable 3 ring circle as if one is in olympic symbol!

if am not a yoruba boy, say if am efik, it will inappropriate from to bear Olabowale, especially when i made it known to the whole world (WWW) that am an efik boy. no? skyone; dami ni owun!

who is teach about the recognization of fake slash real prophet(s)? Jesus was the teacher or aomebody before him? if it was jesus, it gives us insight that he was saying there would be at least one real prophet (AS) to come, and before he comes, there may be at least a pretender, his reason, at least to me is giving you what is the litmus for real versus fake of the future.

you now have the flor, skyone.

i told the truth, she promised to ignore me. if i lie, she will be happy. she complained about hunger induction, not me. i fasted in the height of summer, before. inshaAllah, i will still do it. you think am a neach bum who have to sip cold drinks every so often? you i mean in this case!

and the fornicator says ramadam kareem.

Others
Arabic-speakers of all Abrahamic faiths, including Christians and Jews, use the word "Allah" to mean "God".[3] The Christian Arabs of today have no other word for 'God' than 'Allah'.[6] (Even the Arabic-descended Maltese language of Malta, whose population is almost entirely Roman Catholic, uses Alla for 'God'.) Arab Christians for example use terms Allāh al-ʼab (الله الأب) meaning God the father, Allāh al-ibn (الله الابن) mean God the son, and Allāh al-rūḥ al-quds (الله الروح القدس) meaning God the Holy Spirit (See God in Christianity for the Christian concept of God).

Arab Christians have used two forms of invocations that were affixed to the beginning of their written works. They adopted the Muslim basm-allah, and also created their own Trinitized basm-allah as early as the eight century CE.[24] The Muslim basm-allah reads: "In the name of God, the Compassionate, the Merciful." The Trinitized basm-allah reads: "In the name of Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, One God." The Syriac, Latin and Greek invocations do not have the words "One God" at the end. This addition was made to emphasize the monotheistic aspect of Trinitian belief and also to make it more palatable to Muslims.[24]

According to Marshall Hodgson, it seems that in the pre-Islamic times, some Arab Christians made pilgrimage to the Kaaba, a pagan temple at that time, honoring Allah there as God the Creator.[25]

now david, you ignore my earlier entry, playing possum with me. here you see without any doubt that your people are trying so hard o trinitized the word Allah, allah!

the question i am asking you apart from the obvious above, is, what was the arab christians calling their god, gods, God, and Gods, before Islam's adoption of the preIslamic allah, Allah?

very interesting that ruuh qudus, o ruuh qudus is Jibril by Islam, while you worship him! you see why you are an idolator, a multigod worshipper?

aisha2, leave Islamic name and take a name from the many names of christianity. i think it is a deceit to continue to bear Aisha! my mother took the name Mariam after she became a muslim woman. and my wife took Zainab as her name. neither of these women bore a typical christian name like deborah, ester or others from the heritage of judaism, since christians always get themselves in the same string tie.

former christians who became muslims here in the USA often take a muslim name. they abandone paul, etc and take up Jabir, Mas'ud, etc! do same.