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@Olaadegbu: If I therefore look at the Bible, if will be hard to take the God that Moses heard His voice the burning bush without consuming the vegetation, as Jesus or Ghost or Father, because this God at the Burnung bush simply did not mention any of the three entities! So it is difficult ingood conscience to define God from the Bible, because ot depends on who is the audience, which means selection of God is clearlt depending on you are talking to!

At least from the Quran you have God, clearly defines, separate and different from all others snf unique in every sense. Olaadegbu Biblical God is not hard to defined,pindown, in definity; is He the Moses God or the Paul, or drfinitely, post Jesus period of what they make God to be; 3 entitie or personalities!

Stop playing games, $Osisi. Is Islam a middle eastern or african or indian subcontinent religion? The last time, I check it is a worldwide religion, already established in all the continents, where there are human populations. I for example is not the only muslim in usa. Zainab your sister, was not born muslima, but now one. You live in Houston, and you have seen a ton and more of white, black, spanish and others who are muslims in your city located below the mason dixon line.

Now, tell me does this ahadith apply to them, too, and indeed those men and women who are not yet muslims; people like you? Of course, you can arrogantly reject Islam, I do hope for you to become one before you die. The same way you arrogantly believe that 1 complete God is also 3 complete Gods, or 3 complete Gods is 1 complete God, you is the same woman waiting for rapture on one hand and on the other hand concern that if (God Forbids) that your situation before death is like that of Shaivo, you alread told baba agba to pull the plug. That same you should therefore know that belief is what makes a person pious in the presence of Allah/The God, whle those who do not have belief are like animals; cattles, donkeys/asses, dogs!

Therefore, when we specify this with women, there you are with all your matriculations, will still have to be under your baba agba, unless he wans you on top sometimes or same level as he, he controls that alone, you have nothing to do with his decision. With this in mind, you must now know that a believing woman is far better than a disbelieving woman, in the presence of God Almighty! Therefore, if what you are saying is that a believing woman is likened to dog/donkey/ass, then definitely a isbelieving woman is worse in quality.

But alas, a believing woman has the benefit of belief, hence she receives Mercy from Allah and no more a dokey, ass, dog, etc before Allah because she has piety. But the disbelieving woman has none of the Mercy, benefit from Allah. She will be a dog, cattle, ass, donkey and not better than animal, even though she is a human being. All disbelieving humans are ingrates,when you read Surah Furqan!


Osisi, you now know the truth, my dear friend. Listen to your heart. Beg yur Creator to show you the truth! Leave disbelief, alone.

Olaadegbu can you tell me what happened to the manuscripts from which the first Bible was developed from? Are the manuscript still inexistence, or they were already lost, by burning, or by other means? What will be the purpose(s) of the many bits and pieces of the manuscripts after the Bible was "cananized?"

Now let me bring it to the more recent times; say the "council of Nicea." What happened to the pieces of notes on the verses that the eminent members took, individualy before they collectively agreed to put the "Bible" together for the world to read?

I wanted to say that Odunjo of Okelangbodo fame must have written the novel on paper, before it was printed. I am sure that he gave parts of the story for editing to other yoruba linguists. What happened to the bit that he gave to Fagunwa, for example, especially after the novel was a masterpiece within the yoruba readers?

You see why the pieces of "Quran were collected" and none was not left in circulation, after the time of Uthani Mushafs or even before at the time of Abu Bakr, considering that all parts of the Quran were in memory, in many degrees by the muslims, in the lifetime of the Messenger/Prophet (AS)?


Finally, the "arab" who is now analysis the Quran and telling you in his claim that the it is not authentic, please ask him, did he not get educated in the linquistic arabic by the Quranic arabic? Is it possible that a yoruba linquist educated from the premier Nigerian University, UI in Ibadan, the seat of yoruba language, to suddenly come up with a possible hypothesis that the Yoruba Language he got his education from, recognised by all Yoruba linguaists and speakers alike as the purest of yoruba, is now deficient? If you say that Lagos yoruba is deficient, I can agree with you because of the "mi gbo" but if you say Oyo's yoruba or ibadan's yruba is deficient, then the whoe of yoruba people will have to ask you, where did you aget a better yoruba from (brazil?) and how did you come out with (read Panamanian magazines on yoruba language?)?


Orishi po lowo eyin omo england yi!

@Olaadegbu: « #35 on: Today at 06:22:10 PM »

All the evidence you need to know that Allah is not the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob is in the link below, let's hope that this thread wouldn't be spirited to oblivion.

http://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/allah_best_deceiver.htm

This yoruba Olaadegbu should also know that Olorun is not the God that created Adam. tart from there and se how very wrong you are!

I think that $Osisi, should let Olaadegbu know that God is not the Chineke that sent Jesus to the children of Israel to safe them from the hands of the coptic Pharaoh! Osisi, where you dey, I got job for you as educator of Olaadegbu about Chineke!

GUYS, please no personal attacks! We should not be fighting one another. Maybe we should be kinder and gentler people. I am adopting that attitude towards many if not all.

No fighting, please.

Dr. Osisi, since you are one in real life, what will you say about a person who went to the edge of a cliff, and start saying that he does not wanna tempt God, by jumping off it? This same person came back and said that he was talking to Satan. He later or before said that he does not live on bread alone. When he had an audience he told him Satan was having dialogue with him, again. Then at some point, he related that he had another dialogue with the devil making it the 3rd in a row where this evil being gave him an empty promise that if he bow down in worship to him, the whole world (already created by the Creator, much much earlier) shall be his. He said he refused and said man shall not worship God and marmor!

Now this man you called God. Let me ask you, what happened above to his normal without all the mental conditions that you mentioned? Finally, did you observe that that fellow did not say he was God when the devil said he should worship him to receive the ownership of the whole world that God created? If there were time and place for him to let people know that he was God, that was it and he did not say it, because he knew that Shaitan knew who he was! He was no god!

Osisi, the reason for my last scenerio is to say to you; all those who take him as "god/God", are suffering from all those medical conditions you listed, and on top of them, they are suffering from disbelief!


Wait a minute, Osisi, you call him go/God, and the adage 'physician heal the self does apply here!"

Jesus at best was a savior of his time, like every savior of the earlier times; Adam for his son abel, wife even, but lost cain to the deil trough murder tat cain committed. noah a savior, obviously of his comanions in the ship, while the rest including his wife, a son and the whole people were lost to satan by making jest of his ship and flood! moses a savior of the children of israel while pharaoh and military officers perished in the sea by their arrogance from shaitan. jesus was a savior to his disciples and those who followed them before paul and company brought paganic 3 gods in one to it! if you follow this type of religious mindset of many gods making One God, you are like the hindus, my obvious example that must prick your mind to the reality of your wrong choice.

muhammad (as) is an obvious Warner against all sort of confusions and self choices, where an ordinary man, who ate, drank, cried, had emotions, fatgued, slept, urinated, deficated, etc like every human being was thought up as a god, an obvious thing/title he will reject if he were to hear it from anyone, because the knows that he will be punished for it if he were to tolerate it!

muhammad also was a savior by the warnering post he occupied. jesus (as) was also a warner. didn't he warn against rejecting/abolishing the laws and the prophets? enough said by me. now you know.

whats pathetic about speaking the bitter truth? skyone, I hope you are okay?

Muhsin is not Ayatollah, Nezan! Your action is similar to somebody asking me to explain why the yoruba man, Awolowo did what he did in the 60s, disrespecting many people, like putting his shoes on the head of prostrated Akintola! I cant explain what was in his mind when he did it, so it will be impossible for Muhsin to explain what Ayatollah was thinking to pronounce fatawa of death on Rushdie, a persian , I think, like him!

birthdays are not events to be celebrated. Celebrate major achievements like when he/she says Laa ilaha ilallahu Muhammadanr Rasulullah (AS), etc, etc!

@$Osisi: « #141 on: Today at 02:41:04 AM »

I am not confused about my Christian faith so asking me to convert to Islam and bring my Baba agba along doesn't come into this at all.

You call it faith. I say it is confusion. My proof that you are confused, that you really dont have a "real faith, except confusion," is the simple fact that you make 3 out of 1, and make 3 out of 1! Let me help you, so that you can understand your folly, please get yourself a bowl and put 3 whole oranges in them! Please make 1 whole orange out of them, while all are part of that single whole orange. Try another process; Get yourself 1 single apple. Make 3 whole apples out of it! $Osisi, if you are successful in either "Trick", you have become Hoodini, the big magician, who only played on what the eye thinks it sees! And your baba agba is ready and all you have do, if you are the lover with him, as you purport to us on Nairaland, he only needs your nudging to follow you into Islam!

I am not seeking a religion,I already have a solid relationship with my father and my God.

Your father is Paa Nwando, in Nigeria! Stop playing around, girl. You just said he still looks good and drives himself, still! If you ask him, he will never say that he his your God! See why I said you are confused, calling my country man, papa Nwando God! Papa Biko, dont be angry with the young girl! America has confused her even further.

Defend the Muslim assertion that women are comparable to asses,a claim that obviously angered Aisha.

Women by head count is the larger of the two genders! Muslim world wide population is still a minority! At 20% at the current estimate, lets just assume 80% of women's world population is Kafiruun (disbelievers). You $Osisi, is from this 80%! We therefore assume and it is evident that 80% of men's world population is also in the disbelieving group! So if the two 80% from each gender are in hell fire, please do the head count there, and tell me which 80% is larger? I know medicine dont deal with too much math! If its drawing of brain, and the rest of human body, I will give that to you. Math is not for you, but try this one to be sure! And Aisha (RA) even way back then, she was being a feminist, liberated by Islam! She was defending her gender, until it was explained to her (RA) and she agreed! Did anyone woman ever challenged a prophet before Muhammad (AS), as you have seen, without the men beating her down? Osisi, each minute you entrap yourself. Whats so interesting is that the ahadith is correct even today, if mankind ceases to exist today! The larger gender that will be in hellfire will be the female gender!

Now that you've eaten, jollof rice and amala you may have a better response

The body is trained not for Jollof and Amala and Apuu, ony, but to ignore some naivete, sometimes! Lets do this; slice Osisi, into two haves. One of them is Muslima. That part is not a disbeliver, but a believer! The other part is still a believer, but remains a disbeliever. That part that is disbelieving is an "ASS, brailing" and dog "bitching," if you wish to go all the way with the full gamut!

@$Osisi: Your long suffering will never become nightmarish by Allah. Stick with Medicine and stay away from Islam and truth telling. The last two, you do not shine at all, but dull as unsharpened knife! Zainab, like all every English Colony is referred to as "learned fellow!" I dont see how I can confuse her, especially when she shines, researches and worldly! She is a special "Igbo woman, a Princess and finally a muslima who is married to Olabowale!"

Now back to the topic: your dishonesty is annoying. First, before I dissect, rather tell people you are 'hiding' the truth about 'woman' without any condition nullifying a prayer, when she passes the front og the praying person, we may have to wager on this. If I can point out to nairalanders, okay to the www audience that you are playing paciizzi, will you become a muslima, and bring your loving husband along? If you can say yes, I will give the condition that makes a woman who is in that condition when she passes in front of any praying person, having his or her prayer nullified!

It must not just be just a front, it has to be within the SUTRA! And it is the same condition that excuses her from Salah, Saum, and reciting Quran. Of course, you knew it but you are better of, as a Bible Thumper, an evangelist, you have to lie to win disease 'hearts.' I hope you are up to it, because I will provide the full Hadith against your truncated so call "hadith!" Osisi o. Ebelebe! I know all your gimmicks!

There was no church. You know that! Tell me what they call Church in Syric Language? No. Write it down for us! You had hoped that Muhammad(AS) will not tell the truth about the fate of Jesus and take it that he died, when God Almighty protected him? haa, thats not possible, man. Lets think about it for a moment; how did Mary, Jesus mother escaped the you must be stoned punishment of having a baby out of wedlock? Now tell me who told you that Jesus died, Jesus or some zealot(s) who did not know that a person who fainted or in a coma was not dead, yet?

Jesus will know what happened to himself, since he was a prophet. If he did not say it, then the prophet after him has that responsibility to correct the fallacy and put the truth on the table. Thats exactly what Muhammad (AS) did, even though it makes you unhappy, tough.


Te rest of your piece, I do not care to read, omo boy!

@$Osisi: « #133 on: Today at 06:39:28 PM »

Please face East and ask Mohammed that question

I have been facing east, long time before you were born. InshaAllah there are still many decades more of my facing east, until, I am in east of kaaba, or north of Kaaba or south of Kaaba. And the only reason am facing east is becasue I am in the west of Kaaba. Duuh, Osisi. "V", you make me laugh and I will weep a tear of joy when you final make your Shahadah. Zainab is more than equiped to help you for the pleasure of Allah. She is a heart of Gold and I thank Allah for getting her out of "disbelief!"

or are you alleging that thiefofhearts and myself penned the hadith and inserted Mohammed's name in it?

Ass, is an animal who is empty in the head. Its noise is a brail! Being empty in the head is not excluding the people in the choiciest of professions. The Unibomber was a professor of math and was already a math scholar at about 25! Religion supersedes all disciplines, and thats what the prophet (AS) referred the ass and its brailling upon. Osisi, how do you make 1 out of 3? Where do you keep the other 2, stack them on top of aone another to make long stick, as we in my days in elementary school, when we used small sticks or our fingersto count? Little girl, dont amuse me, because I could laugh hard at you!

Why are you getting angry at the innocent people in this whole charade?

Angry? No little girl, in the fashion of my spiritual leader "Muhammad (AS)." Of course you know that you are a woman? But in his fashional ways of making a woman feel special, you are always a little girl, sorry young girl, to me, and your husband, and then dad and mom!

direct your questions to Mohammed your prophet

My master (AS) is correct. All men and women who are disbelievers are like ass, and or cattle in their religios thinking! Osisi, I ask you again, show me how you make 1 out of 3? Lets use small sticks to make the visual critical analysis!

biko ask him why he thinks your Zainab is equivalent to an ass and a dog

Not Zainab, because she is a muslima. Its you that fits the Ass and Dog mold, until you become muslima. lol! When you become muslima, I will take you out of the dog and ass realm! Now, deal with it, my dear "V"!

this kain misplaced aggression

Woman, no kain aggression. Your imagination (in the fashion of ass and dog) is running away with you. Calm down. You are a doctor, give yourself calmdown medicine. Omo girl, please take am easy o! I want you to be wholesomely intact when you take shahadah. You will be like Umar bin Khattab, instead of being Abu jahal. Woman look their names up. One is fondly remembered, while the other is cursed;Laana, everytime he is mentioned. And not eating is a noble thing and there is no aggression. This is not like your High School days with your muslima senior, whose story you tell over and over, again!

true born again christians are unforgiving, whine alot, repeat the same thing over and again, as broken record, and very violent even though supposed to turn the other cheek! Nezan, how to like the nice come back?

so Allah will be Al Ilah The God! open your mind eye, nezan!

i often ask myself if its worth it to continue to respond to believers,since they are satisfied in dividing God into 3, or taking their leadership statements and leaving on the table what God Commands, having a physical representation for God, or rejecting Him altogether by denying His existence? i am getting tired of any dialogue with them, because they behave like asses, when it comes to matter of religion. at least a lawyer accepts evidences when she was shown many, including herself being one of the evidences of One true God, without son or parents, partnership, co-god(s), competing gods, or supoorting gods.

could sucha lawyer be an ass, especially when evidential faith that is simply true and explanable without blindness of faith enters her heart? and she was not lewd or naked when i met her. and no illegal sex between the too of us, and she did not offer any to me which i would have rejected outright for the pleasure of Allah. dogs are bitches. she is neither a dog nor a bitch!

now take that to the bank!

nezan i dont care too much about your unimportant question. if you cant defend yur position dont ask me to second guess late khomeine. am not he and he was not me.

you guys should answer the dude's question and give thought provoking reason to support you claim! what i dislike is a single liner answers, a docking of questions, or giving links when you can tell us what you got from the link, and other ways of coping out!

@thread starter; it is islam. proof, lets concentrate on the so called monotheistic religions for a moment; judaism, christianity and islam. while muhammad (AS) did not start islam, but was completed on him, jesus did not start christianity and will not participate in it if he were on earth now, o when he will return. moses did not start judaism and will not participate in if if he were to be on earth right now and in the day of judgement shall not accept the present religious jews as his nation members.

the religion practised by ibrahim dubbed father of faith, should be the religion that you are looking for. that same religion should not be different from what noah and those who escaped drowning in th flood, what enoch and those who worshipped with him, and what the first man adam and his wife practised along with abel, the reason of his goodliness which prompted cain his jealouse brother to kill him!

now think about the religion that is the religion of these noble people. for sure it is not christianity. thats easy to see. now lets argue about whether this is judaism or islam. as i have said about moses, the one who received torah, neither did he practise judaism, nor practised what the children of israel, the people now called jews practise. look at their religion and process of worship and tell me what moses did among them. if you look at the bible, there is the arc of the covenant, and the tabernacle, etc. shw me one single place in their places of worship that has any?


but could moses have had any religion different from what ibrahim had? not possible, because it mean that One God changes the way for mankind, not one true way, but more than one true ways! that will be impossible to swallow. so if we take it that ibrahim left his country because of idolatry is unacceptable to im, then we have to know that idolatry is not just having symbolic physical representative, of only innanimate objects, but living things and beings, including angels in heaves, or jinns in some other spheres, or prophets or messengers indeed anything other than the One true God, indivisible Entity and Unique in all ways!

this argument lead us to believe that all prophets and messengers of God, from Adam all the way to muhammad (AS) have the same religion of the form that fits their time, before the succeeding prophet comes to build up on it. for example, the simplestform of this religion therefore, evn in its most basic form must have a threadcommon in it with it most complex and complete form. tht thread is therefore the belief that God is a single unit one, indivisible and nothing should be worshipped along with Him to be in that line of belief/faith. the leader of that community of believer should be the messenger and or prophet (a reformer) in his time. the jews have bastardize the monotheistic religion that they got from moses by changing it to what they want, adopting their rabbis as gods because they accept their ways while rejecting what the true messenger/prophet left or commanded. therefore they are pagans or disbelievers by this, and it is compunded by their rejection of other messengers/prophets, even the one that came from their bloodlines. they rejected jesus as a very glearing example.

the christians did just exactly, following in their footstep by being zealots and exagerated the role of a noble sole for whatever reason from messenger/prophet to God Almight Himself, slicing and dicing God to include an Angel; Gabreil! we see how the gospel a single revelation has four different recognized versions, and with the additions of post jesus writings as the christian bible!


now lets talk about islam and see if it qualifies. while the jewish got its name from judah a tribe from judah, a son of jacob, christianity got its name from people of antiock! neither name is from God, Whom they say they worship! Islam on the other hand is different. its definition is simply submission to the Will of God,Whom is called Allah in Arabic, and Oluwa in Yoruba and other tribes have their particular name or names for the Creator! this is the religion of adam, since God when He created him, and place his wife eve with him, he and her were told to submit as they were told to not near aparticular tree because they will be disobeying/not submitting.

when a person submit, you can not say that they are disobedient or disobeying!

Nezan is desperate like a desperado! You live in Texas, man or some southern frontier states, lands snatched from Mexico?

Listen, your wife is a woman you are legally married to. You can sleep with each other and no one will accuse you of fornication, worse adultery and if you are seen holding hands no one will whisper it as if you are doing something illegal. An ex-wife, none of the above you can do with her, otherwise, I will be doing it with Lola.

You said that you are a father of daughters. I am hoping that you are married to their mother and keep it like that, the only way you are not performing fornication! And when a spouse dies, the relation dies with, too, because none of the above you can do together! Until the day of judgement, when husbands and wives are united if they both are inheritors of paradise, there is no continuation of said relationship, otherwise, on earth a man who is allowed 4 wives, if he had divorce more than 20 times, he will be punished or at least whispered to be a man who is excessive.

Now the case of the prophet is different as in many other instances. For example when salah was not ordained, he was already making salah. His fasting can be round the clock, while it is not permissible for believers. There were many things that were unique about the prophet that no muslim can practice. Muhammad's wife must be muslim, while al others can marry nasara and or yahud (People of the books)!

@petres 007: could the people be wrong in their claims of his lordship? is there a way to actually proof this with a single verse of the ible going against it? is there a possibility that God is killed? is there a possibility that God is wounded? is there a possibility God bleeds? is therea possibility that God cried? is there a possibility that God weeps? is there a possibility that God begged? is there a possibility God prayed? is there a possibility that God petitioned? is there a possibility God was strung up to die? is there a possibility that God lamented? is there a possibility that was hungry? is there a possibility that God was under the contol of devil?

nezan are you doing a head count or what exactly is your point? a man who has a single wife each time, can not be charged for christian bigamy, even if he married 50 women whereby he divorced, 49 wives and died in the hand of the 50th! or how do you make your 20 wives for muhammad (AS), counting his late wies as if they were alive before he died? your counting is an unfair counting or association!

dexmond your question, to some people will sound like affirmed statement, to some it is a question to be answered, but to me the hypotheticality of it leaves me bewildered. if you say you are a christian and jesus said that the another comforter after him will honor him, what honoring statement did holy ghost uttered about jesus? then compare it to what muhammad (as) said about jesus in the above surah verse. could there be a more honoring statement to keep jesus soul from being accursed, the intended reason for the effort of bent on wanting to kill him?

yankee; a term used to describe every american by non-american! yankee; a term used to describe every americans from the original colonies, above the mason dixon line, by the southerners. e.g the people of atlanta saying "the yankees are coming", during the civil war! yankee; finally a term used to describe new yorkers, especially by bostonians, who are goneho on being different, thereby adopting red sox as a name for their baseball team, while far away chicago takes the name white sox for theirs.

when you go to 9ja, tell them that you are a red sox, and see the faces, scratching heads and their murmuring as they hurdle together asking themselves about you; whats this yankee saying she is again, red sox?

am learning alot about forgiveness in christianity by this thread and other things I see and read about how hard is it for the christians to let go of anger bore out of sentimentality of wrongs. in Islam however, when a person dies on good sounding faith, we leave his/her fate to Allah Whose Decision matters and tries to hope good for that person, for we do not wish anyone to enter Hellfire.

Many if not all muslims were sad when Hussaine was hung. However, we prayed for his soul, at least I prayed since he calmly walked to the noose, and began saying the Kalimat Laa ilaha ilallah and died with thaton his tongue, after he had said the daarush on the prophet: Allahumma salli ala sayyidina Muhammad wa alla ale sayyidina Muhammad (AS)!

Allah forgives all sins except the addition or ignoring Him as your Lord God Creator.

JeSoul is a true yank. She knows its all words, across the pond, sorry, ocean. By the time it hits Beantown where am sure they are mourning right now, the impact is no more a bang but a wimper! But turning the other cheek is amplified by "slap" and until that physical essence, then talk is cheap and stick and stone may be the ones to break the bones, not words! Am not advocating violence, and thats my disclaimer, my story and am sticking to it!

Aburo, how are you guys coping at the passing of the last of the prime dynasty of american politics? Am gonna call to find out how the people are reacting to the news.

, They said, “We killed the Messiah Jesus, son of Mary, the messenger of God." They did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but the likeness of him was put on another man (and they killed that man), (Qur'an, 4:157)

guys abrogation does not happen in this case. read it again; jesus said the day i am born, not was born. he said the day i die, which Quran says has not happened, yet by the above verse, and the day am raised up, which shall happen after death, just like everyone shall be raised up. those who are disbelievers will not have peaceful death, though may look peaceful to those who are around when he/she dies.and his/her raising after death for Judgement day will definitely not be peaceful! However, Jesus being a believer and a prophet of his Lord Who sent him, will be peaceful, like that of every Messenger, Prophet, Saudiquine, Shuada, mumimi, Qanitat, Habitat, Salihin, etc.

abrogation is when a verse is didiscontinuedthough left in the Quran still (a proof against alleged satanic verses!), but replaced by another verse that is active and current as it supersedes the abrogated verse! So in the case of drinking alcohol, for example, it was abrogated finally by the verse forbiding its consumption! now thats abrogation. so you see you cant say that the verses about Jesus not dying yet, except that Allah made it look so so that you, a christian with disease in the heart can claim the impossibility, even as Osisi a medical knows that somebody can be assumed dead, yet not dead yet, and the Jews can be boastful about killing him, since their intention was evil, and not to accept him as a Messenger, prophet to them (AS)! You see, you and them are on the same path, but different side of the "WRONG!"

I am still shocked that Osisi will spend all of these years with learning about life and death, and dedefibrillatorset cant know that "Playing dead" occurred at that time? Osisi, am talking to you, young girl in the tradition of Prophet Muhammad (AS)!

@Sleek29: #105 on: Today at 02:08:49 PM »

@olabowale, the satanic verses thing wasn't brought up by Christians but by islamic scholars and it did happen if you read Bukhari vol. IV, nos. 400, 490; VII, no. 660; Muslim vol. III, no. 5428 you'll find a lot of times he admitted being under satanic influence

Narrated Aisha:
Once the Prophet was bewitched so that he began to imagine that he had done a thing which in fact he had not done.
bukhari vol IV no 400
will aisha lie about her husband?

Narrated 'Aisha:
Magic was worked on the Prophet so that he began to fancy that he was doing a thing which he was not actually doing. One day he invoked (Allah) for a long period and then said, "I feel that Allah has inspired me as how to cure myself. Two persons came to me (in my dream) and sat, one by my head and the other by my feet. One of them asked the other, "What is the ailment of this man?" The other replied, 'He has been bewitched" The first asked, 'Who has bewitched him?' The other replied, 'Lubaid bin Al-A'sam.' The first one asked, 'What material has he used?' The other replied, 'A comb, the hair gathered on it, and the outer skin of the pollen of the male date-palm.' The first asked, 'Where is that?' The other replied, 'It is in the well of Dharwan.' " So, the Prophet went out towards the well and then returned and said to me on his return, "Its date-palms (the date-palms near the well) are like the heads of the devils." I asked, "Did you take out those things with which the magic was worked?" He said, "No, for I have been cured by Allah and I am afraid that this action may spread evil amongst the people." Later on the well was filled up with earth.
bukhari vol IV 490

The above do not qaulify as ahadith, because it was the statement of Muhammad, but Aisha and she was not the prophet (AS)! Finally, your claimedand alleged Satanic Verses, happened in Makka, and according to you guys, Aisha was barely born in Makka period. No? Or how old was she when "Satanic Verses incidence" occurred? Lol! You see, it is the Kafiruun who will shoot their own argument in the foot. Sleek29, you have to agree that the you can possibly agree that after the death of "Waraquh" Muhammad had some encounter with Satan! Lol, since you guys says Waraqah taught him everything, and he was a christian, except you will have to agree that Satan dwells in the Bible that Waraqah taught him!

Now you see how am laying in wait for you? Arguing with you in every which way you come out with weak opinions.

@Nezan: « #102 on: Today at 02:02:22 PM »  

Muhsin,
refer to olabowales last post, he concurred that mo uttered satanic verses but later repented,,,,,,wats the difference?

Where did I concur that a or some satanic verse(s) was uttered? Are you referring to my "let me just exite you for a moment" statement? If you believed that I agreed by that satement after it, then you should also believe that I said that will even proof his real prophethood, if you Isolated that as your singular argument for or against! But I stated that Jesus whom you referred as god even went under satan, and of course all my othe argument against satanic verses did not mean anything to you then, uh? I wonder how many many people think.

My argument is in the same light as from a man who was accused of stealing a cow and slaughtered it for feed. He argued profusely that he is a vegetarian and cant eat red meat and does not practise thievery. After such an exhursted argument, without getting anyone to reason with him, he finally said what if I have stolen the cow and slaughtered it for food as you claimed, yet here is my home, there is no meat in my freezers, no steaks on my grill, no blood to show that I slaughtered anything, and down there in the field is your cow grazing, is that not a proof that I am not a thief?


@Sleek29: Posted by: sleek29

tempted(attempted) and not possessed(succeeded) by the devil, the true fact is that the man was possessed by the devil making an agent of the devil.

The fact is that temptation is equal to be under influence, when the temptation was going on. No? Success comes later, just like the one who was "possessed" according to you, and later overcame! Let me say this for everyone to hear/read, i am of the small group who does not accept the possibility of any satanic verse. Not possible because Allah guided his tongue, turning his jinn to uneffective jinn as if he neer had a jinn, in the effect as Mary and his son Isa bin Mariam (AS)!

@Nezan: « #93 on: Today at 09:54:27 AM »

@ Olabowale;
No true prophet of God was ever given satanic verses to utter. When Jesus was been tempted by the devil, He was not the one uttering those words, rather, the devil was uttering those words.

Just to show you how wrong you are, Jesus was controlled, according to the Bible (you can see that imprint in the Bible) at least in three ocassions by the devil/satan/Shaitan. How did anybody know, since no one was with Jesus when the devil was controlling him? He must have told the "Gospel Writers," or those who told the Gospel writers, and so on, until those who heard it from the disciple who heard it directly from Jesus.

Considering the fact that nothing was writte down when it was happening, and the fact is that the christian wrote appealed to them in creating the image that they were determined to put forward, it is no surprise to read that Jesus did not repeat what the devil said he should before he answered him as his indication of rejecting his commandments! Normally, you will expect that the human Jesus would have repeated the devil's commandments in a question form and refused it in an affirmed fashion,immediately! Or was he being tempted as god considering that no devil or anything can tempt God, because temptation itself is a sin of sinfulness? It is in the same fashion that no one can nail or hang God!

In mohammed's case, he was overshadowed by the devil and was reciting satanic verses.

Just to exite you, lets just assumed that your argument was correct. I now ask you was Jesus not overshadowed by being taking up the cliff, walking with his own two feet? Please help yourself out to complete the other two of the three temptations! Jesus escaped Satan at the end of the day, so did Muhammad! Ol boy, your argument is porous at best, if it is an argument at all.

In the case of Moses, he killed the egyptian before God appeared to him, in order words, he did this before his prophetic calling while in mohammed's case,

Consider these facts, the year of his birth was filled with killing of males birth, and he was finally takien in and raise as thei own by the household of the tyrannical king of Egypt. He was taught the quality of leadership, considered a royalty. Now do you think all of this were part of nothingness or part of the plan of Allah for that grander process of delivering Message, a Book as Prophet (AS)? And according to the Christians on Nairaland, they have indicated that God was bent on killing Moses? God will not kill a person, except that the person had done something wrong. God never will agitate a good heart to do wrong thing! And I just have to remind you that Moses in addition according to the Bible struck the rocks, against God's wishes! Who agitates anyone to go against God's commandments, again now? Of course the devil!

he uttered satanic verses after his alleged calling(?). No need playing mind games here, alhaji.

The alleged calling is still intact today as it was during his days on earth! Allah is still believed as God, and Muhammad His messenger whom He sent. There is Salah, Zakat, sadaqah, Saum, hajj, etc! Now tell me what do you keep of what Jesus asked you ro do, and I will give you two that you invented for every one in which you are correct!

Thanks Nezan. I often say to people, that the scholars, were/are humans, with ability of humans. If Bukhari (ra) books are without flaws, then it will be rivalling Quran, and Bukhari will at least be as good as the Messenger (AS)! Both conditions are impossible, my reason for saying that what was said about Aisha (RA) age at marriage from her own mouth, without from Muhammad or his presence at the time she said it, could never be accepted as ahadith! I am a minority in this position, but is true, unless ahadith has a different definition, other than what we know it to be; the statement of the prophet, or what he permitted to be stated without any objection.

Tabari and Bin Sa'd, neither was the prophet! Its obvious to me that the word "Crane" will sound strange to the pagans, who are not familiar with from before, as a narrative for their gods that Muhammad (AS), from the get go was intending to destroy. Anyone who knew his life history, prior to the time of aleged "Satanic Verses," will know that it is full of miracles, starting from his father's birth, through his parents becoming husband and wife, through his being half orphan at birth and a full one at nothing older than 6 years old! What was reported of him was that he was always being secured and protected and different from the normal boys in Makka, and no one was surprised when he said he was a holder of revelation, except that they were angry with him for being uncompromising, destroying their paganic tradition only by what was being revealed to him (AS)!

There is no single proof that he bowed to any idol before he became a prophet, and it will be impossible that the same God Who prevented him from such bowing, will now make him do the bowing to idols with revelation in his hand, on his hand and enveloped his heart! One should ask the people who brought about this lie when was it, in the period of revelation that it did happen? Was it immediately he began to tell his people about One God or was it after the Surah Kafiruun was revealed to him, to actually tell the pagans in no uncertain terms that Islam will never comingle with paganism? Or was it after that? When exactly? You will find no time, no place and why and how it could have happened! Interesting that the liars are saying that the satanic verses are in the same surah which gave us vivid picture of his visit to heaven. How unreal, but it is a further proof against tthem as they lie and one can easily read their lies. If they had used Surah Jinn instead of Najm, at least we will have to argue harder than this, a cake walk!


I think I should write a Book titled, " A case against the alleged satanic Verses!"