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@Noetic; « #36 on: Today at 11:54:45 AM »

I cant make a meaning out of the above.

Your disbelieving heart and soul will not let you be able to make any meaning of it, since the three gods are opposing one another in your multigod heart! Again I said you failed miserably in trying to sell 3 VW cars to me as a single Lamborghini Melargo, or Koenigsegg CCR!


[Quote]please open a thread and let me ask u questions about islam.[/quote]Its done, already. Ask sensible question even though you may have a headache trying to do it!

In the thread that Noetic opened to sell me his Christian religion, I find his product deficient and his sales pitch not effective. He could not defend his Elohim, who was found out that could be one or more deity(s) or Deity(s), according to the semitic people. Afterall, the believed in creation and creators or Creator before Abraham left his people of city state Ur of modern Iraq, for the very reason of not wanting to participate in multiple deity worship, espectially when he sees that the handcrafted gods are worthless, useless and cant on their own, collectively or individually benefit anyone, not even themselves, since Abraham proved this my destroying all but the largest one!

Noetic also failed to proof that his religion Christianity which he sheepishly called a way a relationship with God, a God he couldnt identify to be completely independent, except he is in a Triune of persons, entities, personalities of 3 in the trinity, son which is Jesus the son of Mary, wondering why a mortal have to be the producer of an immortal, a ghost who is simply described as holy without a proper name, but I think they took Malaika Jibril (Ruuh Qudus as a god here, the same way they take Human Messenger Jesus son of Mary (Massaih Isa Bin Mariam), and a father God which they called Jehovah or Yahweh God the father, stationed on a throne, since they argue that Jesus is sitting on his right side, so I do not expect the father God to be standing!

All these three they say makes up the Elohim, One God, which thank Allah Bindex, though an atheist was the one who got the proper usage of Elohim to include God, or Gods, god or gods and not just One God! But if I were to even generously agree with the gimmick of Noetic, how can he argue that three things of the same kind, is a single thing of the same kind? What happened to the other two if the size and quality of the new single thing id not changed, except we can safely say that the two have been erased?

Noetic indicated that Christianity was not a name given by Jesus but disbelievers in Antioch, and so it is not even ordained by a mere human prophet! The same prophet (Christ) was not even a Christian, he worshipped in the same way as Moses, but I will not say it is the Judaism of the todays jews! I will show the proofs that neither todays Jewsa nor the Christians of today worship as Moses and or Jesus worshipped their Creator; Allah the Almighty!

Noetic therefore has a fake religion, or way, a false name he calls himself knowing fully well taht no Prophet will say that they are familiar with the name and way of worship, which comprises for the most part a partying like atmosphere of Singing, dancing, clapping of hands while the music is banging! All of that noetic was unable to proof that a mere belief in the death of a man hung and his supposed ressurrection are enough to guarantee paadise/heaven, away from hell or fire lake! If he can then it will mean that both father God and Holy Ghost God could easily be written off by the Christians and still make the place of bliss, which am sure they are hoping that Jesus' blood will get them!


Now Noetic, you are hereby invited to a bazzar which the most expensive thing for your soul, your life is on the table for you as a gift, it is free without any cash payment or hardship on your person; body and soul!


I offer you Islam, the only religion, the way the path that is straight while others are crooked. Allah ordained this reigion and every prophet from the first man Adam to the last prophet Muhammad (AS), a total of 124,000 of them in human history practiced and call "true believers" yo it. There is no true guidance expect on this path, and their is no way to receive the altimate Mercy, Forgiveness, Favor and be ransomed away from Punishment after death, except from this Islam!


There will not be aRapture because everyone will die; humans and jinns and all that are in heavens; Angels, except the Creator, The King of The day of Judgent, The Ownership of The Throne Supremen. He has no partner, hence Trinit and Triune are dead! He is is not a father and no parents has He. he is Unique and different His creations, you and I dont like Him, so your concept of "lets man in our own imag" is dead.

He does not need to seek the council of any and no one can approve what He does not want and no one can stop His Decision.

Is there any but Allah the God and Lord Creator, alone? I now welcome you to start your questioning, and Allah willing they will be answered, honestly and directly.

@Noetic2: « #33 on: Today at 10:43:51 AM »

I believe that your concerns with regards to ELOHIM have been answered.

Youbelieve wrongly, because you did not answer my concerns. If you think you did, they were not good enough for me, because it is not specific to 1 God, but it can be used for god (idol), god (idols) or Gods, in addition to just God! And since you claim to have Triun of dieties/Deities/deity/Deity in trinity, namely the persive Holy Ghost God, human Jesus son God and the throned Jehovah father God, I just cant accept any explanation that you provide unless, it logically agrees the three entities separately, first, since you have it in your belief system that father sent son to earth to die, and when he died father was still in His full Godliness, and so was Holy Ghost in his full Godliness.

This simpy means that the two remaining are independent and separate from the dead son, and their Godliness, individually or collectively, were not compromised. That shows to me that they are not 1 and the son was irrelevant to how the creations were ran! This is the constrictor you need to get off yourself before I address the salvation issue.

whats stopping u from opening a new thread to sell islam to me?

Since you fail so miserably, I will now sell you Islam at the best price, belief/faith in God, without partnership and no animal or human sacrifice needed! Your thrread is now on. And I dismiss this one, your poor salemanship which will bankrupt the best product of any anufacturer, or marketing company.

@Saalma:« #50 on: Yesterday at 10:29:44 PM »

@olabowale: Spirit isn't equal to prophet; but when a prophet preaches a false doctrine, u know its definitely no the Holy Spirit who's behind him. in other words, test the spiriot behind the prophet. besides, the Bible says that the Holy Spirit bears witness with our spirit. this means that when your own spirit or the Holy Spirit in you refuses a prophet, to you he's false

Sisi Saalma, Jagoon is refusing to answer because I am right. You confirmed Spirit equals to Prophet as expressed in John, based on the topic of the thread! You tried to mix it up, and you lost yourself and any logical mind because of your personal explanation that has no bearing on the topic. It you are talking about holy spirit, the Bible says that its been around all along. Then its just on pentecostal day, if he was the another Comforter, so you have a big decision to make; comforter for a moment or what has been around for a while.

Finally, spirit was being discussed and it is not holy spirit. Read John again, if it is holy spirit, should there be a test and why should holy spirit be the bearer of witness with your spirit, when we are testing fake or real prophet, unless you are the one being tested as a prophet. No?

I have a feeling that Allah the Maker of Adam will be the Best of Knowers of what happened to Adam. I have a feeling that Allah the Sender of Moses wil be the Best of Knowers of what happened to Moses. Moses will no less of what happened to Adam than how much Adam knew of how he as made.

So when Allah told Muhammad (AS) about what happened to Adam and what happened to Moses, Muhammad was getting the information(s) from the Best Holder of information(s)! No, the Keferi guy, making fun along with davidylan?


And my excuse(s) is/are on the spot(s)! Am sure lazer beam is used by surveyors to map out sites and boundaries, but in the hands of a military personnel in the theater of war, thats a great deadly weapon used in battle against enemies!

In the hand of an angry woman, the frying pan is a deadly weapon that husbands should watch out when its flying. It is the same frying pan that will make the best pouched salmon, with the aromatic smell that will make a sleeping husband wake up with eagerness to to the breakfast table.


Everything is relative, so meteor couldnt be less of a weapon, if micrbes are! Thas my excuse and I hope its something for you to think about.

To have three Elohims is a terrible thing.

There is no way you will be able to sell this even in the moon, since there will be three Gods, Lords, Creators!

If you argued that you are making a mistake about 2 of them, I will give it to you that Shaitan has robbed his hand on you. Its a Quranic expression and e very keferi is under that shaitan's hand rob of them or over them.

noetic should know that there is no way Elohim could be the name Father God.
same Elohim is also the name of son God.
and same name is also the name of ghost God.

What you have are three Elohims!

We will get to Muslim God soon, InshaAllah.

And noetic2 is angry that Elohim is a wholesale name for gods or Gods in a particular semitic language. He was not ashamed that he used the same wholesale methology to cheapen what it means by the muslims when they say Allah!

What is shameless about his conscience is that he forgot that Moses spoke Egyptian coptic language and what the medians spoke since thats where he ran to, and the children of Israel in coptic bondage could not have had a language of their own different from what the slave masters used, otherwise they would have used that private language to undermine the masters, the exact same thing that the whites feared about africans who finally lost their languages and cultures and worse their names!

I wish the other types of keferis can just hold back their skinning knives until noetics is truly defeated and then they can skin ihim as they want!

1. why dont u open a thread and sell islam to me.

I will if you have the gut to handle the truth, and I will support my presentations by showing you Jews bowing and prostrating his face, and you will think he is Muslim! He got that from what remained from Moses, right from the pages of Quran. I will also show you how the socalled Christian sect or sects even in Ethiopia do the same bowing and prostration, while you take up european more polluted form of "Jesus like"

Let me drive you up the wall for a short time more. when you are beat up badly, that i know i have you where i want you, then i will nail you to the wall with Islam, crushing you with the hammerhead blow.

2. when u talk about "evidence" what EXACTLY are u refering to? I just want us to be on the same page here.

You can never be on the same religious page with me you Tummy, especially when you are batting 0 all the time at bat! You have a Trinity that Moses will have used his staff to smash your head, especially when he destroyed "lord" of the egyptian, the coptic tribal tyrant Pharaoh. Insulting me when you say you have one God especially when you are putting three in from of me and doing slight of hand with me, claiming it to be One God!

your religious orientation and world view is making it impossible for u to gasp/imagine other people living their lives without the boredom of meaningless religion.
Adam was not religious, was not called to form or practise a religion. His mandate was to have dominion over all that God has created.
Abraham was not called to form a religion. . .he was called to inherit a promise/covenant.
Moses bore the laws through which the israel nation is to be governed. . .he formed no religion.
Jesus had or formed no religion,  . . . . .why is this too hard for u to gasp?

Its hard for me because you are adamn freakshow lair! You have no shame, especially when the Jews who are the holders of your primary salvation, according to you have what is known as the Judaic Religion. If you live in america and you are forced to give info about your religious leaning, they write Judaism, liar! You should open your mind and stop being so terrible and shameless (he is my guy so folks, I can yell on him. he is good apart from when it comes to religion), and the christians write Christianity as to their religion, and they never cancel it and wriite "way!" Abraham ran off away from from the idol worshipping, a religion, darn, man!

John the baptist called all men to repentance and baptism. . . .  .did he also form a religion?
in the history of humanity only few people have formed religions. . . i know two of them. . . . mohammed and budha,   demonic agents.

And Moses, and Jesus or was it Paul who formed religin of Christianity, sorry way or relationship with Elohim, the Trinity? Tri in math is 3, and nity is part of devinity, no? What about Chintoizm, and others.

By the way, was John a Christian, too, even he was not called so, or what about Moses, or Abraham, Noah and others, like Lot, Isaac, Jacob and Joseph to name a few, even thought I am forced to remember Elijah, Elisha, and Lot and Haron or do they have a nonchrist-like "way(s)?"

1. the verses i quoted are john 1:12 and john 4:23-24

Am sorry I didnt see the other. I will check it out later and am going to hang you with it, with nails on you, when I do read them.

2. I believe that the trinity question has been answered. what does ELOHIM means

You said Trinity, and am very sure the Jews all of them who practice Judaism will say that you are completely out of your mind! They know their language more than you, a Yoruba Nigerian in London, who is not an expert in Syric, or any semitic language!

1. the consequences for disobeying the law is physical/spiritual death. . . . .go read the old testament.
the law gives no room for restitution . . . . because the sacrifices offered became inadequate.

If I go by you, then all those who died have lost; condering the disciples who knew Jesus perished like every mortal? Even Saul paul who am sure you will quote before long, perished?

2 the reward for obeying the law is human prosperity and longevity. . . .go and read the OT

Is this the absolute truth? Well then, how come John died so young? How about Jesus, the master himself at way less than 40 years old, are these the anomalies?

3. The coming of Jesus meant that man did not have to die spiritually even if he fails. . . . .there is redemption and salvation in Jesus.
it also implies that condemnation comes only by rejecting the Son (Jesus) as your Lord and saviour.

Evidently thiese Gods do change their Minds altogether, the reason they sent one of them to come, no? That needs a greater explanation. But if everything is summed up to Love, then that will be enough and Jesus and others knocked themselves out of Importance, and factored out as God who must now live up to their own statement, "Love" is enough!! No? If it is no, then your statement is completely for the foolish, because it does not make any sense since it by its own text opposes itself!

4. while the punishment of the law is insignificant. . .fulfilling the law remains mandatory, which is what Jesus was emphasizing. He subsequently summarised the entire law into one. . . LOVE.

You will have to tell Jesus that the punishmeny is insignificant, since he took the pain to emphasis the importance of it, he fulfilling every bits of it to emphasis this. You can see how insincere to his commandments you are on the laws and prophets, risking the chance to be punished lightly in a small way? A day or less in the lake of fire is okay with you?

Your ignorance smelled to the heavens if you think all of the laws of adultary, thieft, idolatry, when God told Moses, you shall not have another God with Me, is all become Love? Then you can do any of those idolatry, having 3 gods, 2  or for or wathatever, and everything else and still fulfil the laws, even though everyone sees that your shock every last one of them, big or small? Why did Jesus warn against ablishing it then? And its presence in the Bible of the Christians, as OT, is for what purpose, when its now all Love?

5. what do u understand by the kingdom of heaven?

Place and time of Judgement and beyond. After Judgement time; there is Paradise or True Heaven foas per Christians term, for those who receive salvation. The Hell or lake of fire is least in the Kingdom because they are punished there, considering what Jesus said about those who abrogate the Laws and prophets are those who go against his commandments on it and Jesus coulnt be happy and be pleased with them, or would he?

maybe we should start by defining LOVE? what is LOVE?

Admiration from the heart which actions of the body gives us the manifestation. In a spiritual sense it should affect the soul too. How do you define love?

@Noetic2: « #17 on: Today at 07:16:29 PM »  

you are so ignorant.

Correct. Thats why am asking you questions, leading to what I need to know.

The old testament specifically, genesis talks about ELOHIM. . . . . .
Elohim is simply the trinity. . . .God the father, Son and Holy spirit.

So which one spoke to Moses in the Burning Bush, and what happened to th other two, since it was a Singular voice that Moses heard, not using we but I? Who guided Abraham, and who lead Noah to safety and who created Adam, then Eve, who created the Angels and all things? The three or just One Single God without any other? If two were not created, is there a way that any God can say that he is the Sole Creator?

have u ever heard the phrase  Let us make man in our own image? who was who talking to?

i have heard it before. if you correct, then the speaker God, who is speaker to two other Gods, will have the same physical shape as the other two, and man now their "Image" will have their Physical shape, smaller if you will, but same shape. Now you said that the Ghost is in human shape and also the father is in human shape?

Please explain.

And since you asked me the question, who was the speaker talking to since he used we, I will give you my own explanation.

Olayiwola is probably in your age group. If I were to talk to him to let him know about my royal blood or my fatherliness over him, I may say in yoruba about myself "awani baba e, or awa ni oko iya e ki won to bie", and the english translation of of them are "We are your father "or" we used to be your mother's husband before you were born." This is Olabs (your nickname for me) who was talkingabout himself, ddescribing himself only to his almost himself a father son!" If We can use this majestic pronoun(s) I am sure you dont expect less less of The One True God, unless you have bunches of demigods!


Since the Speaker did not ask permission from anyone, I am sure that He was capable of handling the Issue all alone. In my understranding, the text of the conversation was not as you said it is. It is "I am going to create a viceroy for the earth." The angels heard their Creator, their Lord God, Who was always and is always complete.  The word was what they heard. Word means Voice. Angels, from anong them is Gabreil. You do know about gabreil, the one you know told some woman that she will have a child? No?

Davidylan is known for wuru wuru to the answer man. The Bible I used in High School, i different from what was printed by the same Bible company in 1970/71! NIV's Darby Publication in USA is about to have a "makeover" ala editing! JeSoul opened a thread in this part of the Nairaland Religion board, and you are not ashamed to defend the obviously indefensible!?

And black people are called monkeys by the Whites! The Blacks are monkeys, recognise, Olaadegbu and co, no?

the lying recognise said they call Him God. you dont call him God in your yoruba village, liar. God is english word fo Allah, duuh. Olorun is yoruba word for Allah. now tell me what yoruba call father, and holy ghost and son gods or Gods? ere orii gi asheku omo edun ni!

am sure its way past your bedtime, and about to be day break wednesday in nzland. if microbes can kill, and u cant them, them meteor tat u can see can be a weapon!

Let the nonMuslims excite themselves about some nostagic videos. The issue as Noetic said, it depends on what you are talking about.

« #10 on: Today at 05:19:07 PM »  
Your responses are wishy washy but i will let it slide because others will read it and know whats up.

1. depends on your definition of God. If u refer to Jehovah God . . . .the God of the biblical prophets and the patriachs. . . . then YES it is a relationship with God.

Howmany parts are there of this jehovah, since the Old Testament says He is One, but the New Testament says there are three of him, them? Who is right between the two camps? Did he become three in NT, while hhe was just 1 in OT, or is somebody missing a link somewhere; maybe me? how do you explain this great differntial?

john 1:12 says that for as many believed in Jesus, He gave them the power to become the sons of God,  . .  .to fellowship with God.
but if u are refering to allah who mohammed and his father served. . . . .then u are talking of something else. christians have no business with arabian idols.{

Lets eave islam out of this until you gaet plenty of chance to ask questions about it. I am asking honest questions since I do not know. Is there a proof that support this sons of godship from OT and is there a verse that will negate it in both OT and NT? Could this be a wishful thinking on the part of John, the writer and why is there not same in the other Gospels? Or is this my lack of spiritual understanding since I am not a spirit and maybe you are not a human but a spirit?

[/quote]2. Judaism was never mentioned in the bible, torah or by moses himself. judaism is a coined word to describe an old-testamental practise.[quote]

So Christianity fall in the pattern of not been mentioned in the Bible also? But then was the religion of the patriach, say Adam different from that of Moses, and religion of Noah different from that of John the batist, or the religion of Abraham different from that of Jesus, or do they have the same religion and you a way, instead of religion? Please explain the connection of all of them, and then your way, you.

3. you have just revealed that u have no idea as to what a christian means. Jesus was NEVER a christian. Jesus is CHRIST.
for as many as those who believed in Him. . . .and worship the Father in spirit and in truth . . .have been called to fellowship to be co-heirs of the kingdom.
it is unbelievers like u that call the saints . . .christians.

You are talking over my head, trying to pull the rug under my feet. Please take it easy. Are you now a saint, since you are a christian? You seem to have indicated 2, by your above "those who believe in Him, and worship father in spirit and in truth," this will duanity and trinity seems to have vanished? What happens to the trinity, and you did not provide the verse that you quoted, if i should go by your top post?

4. do u know the punishment for not obeying the law? if u do then u can appreciate why Jesus had to fulfill the law on our behalf?

I dont know and I do not aprreciate your not explaining it! If you know it, spill it and I now ask you what does it mean when Jesus said whoever encourages anyone to abort the laws and the prophets (all of them, without a jot being ignored) will be the least? Is the least in the Kingdom of heaven not amounting to punishment compared to the highest/biggest in the same Kingdom, unless no one will be punished, then the question will be why make a statement that has no punitive consequence, if you are truly a prophet, or a man of God, or God? Anything less is like a lie to me. No?

5. what parts of the gospel do u find impossible to gasp?

Too many, but that will come later because while saying am come to fulfil and no jot will be abrogated, and warned any to never go against his statement, I immediately see, according to you that all of the laws and prophets are just a footnote type' Love God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself", seems to be so shallow and empty that one will be forced to ask among many; what is this love and how does it keep it possible that the Punishment for stealing as in death by hanging (the two who died when Jesus was hung wee thieves), and the adultary thing not stoning to death, since it was Jesus that saved the hyde of the propstitutes who could be accuused for fornication, and they went to Muhammad (AS) for adultary case in madina? You can start to explain from there.

later we will address the slave servant thing that Jesus was quoted to have call wealthy and poor christians alike. We will also talk about ther Trinity and then we will go to sects in Christianity which at least one in Ethipia still bow, prostrate as if they are Muslims! I will asllso show you the Jews who do exactly the same thing and you will have to expalin why you now clap, sing and dance as if its night club with a live band on the organ and drumset, etc!

between Eko and Oyo, which discovered Yoruba? It is clear that Eko speaks yoruba as in "mi gbo", and Oyo speaks yoruba as in 'agbo ye!" Which one is a better Yoruba studied at UI; lagos yoruba or the ojile yoruba of Oyo? Thats what Fusah of Quran is to say the Egyptian Arabic, or Moroccan Magribi "giliya" Arabic!

Nezan: Go get three types of Arabic Quran. Ask somebody to open each one of them to the same surah, any surah and look at each of them. You will see that they have the same character, different styles.

Then get KJV, Douwy, and NIV (before NIV is edited this year to come out with a new NIV: Lol), open any chapter and read enough of each of them and see if you will have letter for letter same in all!

I am trying to spoon feed you.

the way i am i am free to dissociate from yar'adua's fatwa. ayatollah is so remote that i did not think about him, except the time that he organized the hostages that my apartment window was hit with stone, from those who didnt know not all foreign student was iranian!

And there is clapping in Christian heaven, same clapping on earth. Some people find clapping irritating.

When your heaven offers whats irritating, then my heaven can offer what is enjoyed by husband and wife on earth in heaven! Call it immoral if you want. It does not mean that because you say it, it is so! I ask myself, what is more enjoyable than sex? Nothing, stretching came close, as almost as enjoyable as sex! I will be happy to have sex with the right conditions than made to clap!

Stick with your clapping, and I will stick with my sex.

Ask the same question of the Skinheads, Arian nations, Conservation Christians, the Crusaders, The Conquistadors, The modern Military might of the so Christian nations!

From what Noetic2 says Christianity is not a religion, but a relationship. But my question was to see if if the name or relationship is from God, devine in nature, unless Judaism, which Jesus practiced, prayed in, preached on, read its book of laws and prophets, is no more a relationship with God, since Jesus arived, if I assume that Jesus was the first christian, unless he was not a christian, so you have to explain why he spent all his life in an old rejected way, and you who takes him to be your god takes up a new way, different from what he took?

So many questions, but all are tied together bease on your strange statement to somebody like me who is trying to learn about your religion!

So that you know that I realised that banom asked question and you quoted John, it seems to me that only 4 disciples took time to pen something down, from among the 12, and are all the 4 Gospels completely correct with one another, without a verse missing from any. Please explain if you can but leave it alone if its going to cause a diversion. I will get to it in later date, you count on it!

am already up. Wow! Read the history of arabic languages, bedouin language (dialect) around Makka, and read about Fusah Arabic. Aburo, se o ti lo si "Selling" esin?

6. How do we decipher "high treason (hirabah), which means declaring war against Islam"?

What you need is in the Quran and the ahadith. If a person hates Islam and does not stand in the way of muslims and tose who want to become muslim, he is permitted and is there a reason to fight him, until he starts a "declaration of war"? And the muslim must have a Kalifah uniting the who of Muslims, so that we fight as one body. Do we have a kalifah now? Muslims need to begin working on self improvement first and things will improve naturally, as it did even with the prophet being there among the first generation.

7. If someone decides to leave Islam and when asked why he/she answers by saying something like: "I honestly don't believe this is the true way". Isn't it possible that such a seemingly innocuous statement, though having the possible inference that Islam is the false way, could be interpreted as "high treason"?

It should not. What you dont like you dont like. I cant eat Turkey for example. It does not mean that Turkey is not a good bird and those who eat will find me strange, but should that stand against my being a free to choose man? However when I go about petitioning a Turkey farm from having their usual customers, so that they can stay afloat, then I think they can go to court and sue me and how have a security to physically remove me off their ground before I ruin them!

8. Isn't the action of leaving Islam, by itself a rejection of the faith, open to being interpreted as "high treason" irrespective of the reasons given?

You reject something for all kinds of reasons. Rejecting Islam today does not mean that you can not accept it tomorrow. My older brother in Nigeria is a good example. Also nee bashua, Mama Dolapo in Lagos is another example. And those who converted out of any religion may just discovered some greater good, in the new religion or a lack of interest in the older religion.

People like me pray all the time that I do not end up and die in the wrong religion, on a wrong belief!

« #15 on: Today at 11:18:28 AM »

@Olabowale,
Thank you very much for your detailed response. It makes sense to me and, I believe, to most literate persons. However, this all bring up some more questions:
1. Why do so many Muslims then interpret the Hadith Kill whoever changes his religion to mean Kill any person who converts out of Islam?

The prophet (AS) says that the muslims will be divided into 73 groups, with only one group truly practicing Islam.

2. Is it a lack of understanding the Hadith?

Even people are taking the words of companions as ahadith. look at what they say that Aisha (RA) said about her beloved husband; that he hit her? How is that possible when his finger touch a person in a way that he took it to be "hard" he demanded that the person did exactly like that to him, so that the retaliation is in the life and not after. My reason for disagreeing with the "I was 6 years old" as they say that Aisha says of herself, at the time of marriage! Anything that is against Quran, must not agree with Muhammad (AS), hence heis ahadith cant support it, or go against Quran!

3. Since people are losing their lives on this issue in many Muslim-dominated countries, have there been efforts to stop these unjust murders?

I cant legislate Saudi or yemen or even my beloved country from my abode. I can even legislate others in my abode except that I legislate myself, first, reconciling me with Quran as applicable. When I do that, and everyone do it for themselves, playing their own Kulafah/kalifah, when this group is in the majority, then things will change, InshaAllah. We cant be playing good muslim, when we are rotten to the core punishing the weak and turning blind eye on the same behavior by the influencial.

4. Has any public and direct criticisms been leveled against the following nations by the Islamic jurists or Grand Muftis who correctly interpret the said Hadith and hence are opposed to the unjust murders of people who chose to leave Islam?
i. Saudi Arabia
ii. Yemen
iii. Somalia
iv. Iran
v. Sudan
vi. Afghanistan
vii. Mauritania
viii. Comoros

When the masses try to change their rulers, if the west (the powerful nations) are not with it, they undermine the efforts. But the same world police man nations will support evil behaviors or enact their own, when its for their benefits. I have listened to many sermons and have read many articles criticising many of these nations, but the nonMuslims do not have to know it, since we are not doing it for nonMuslims, because dirty laundary does not have to wash in the market square anyhow.

5. If not, why the silence by those who are aware that people are unjustly being murdered?

Many Imams and Scholars do talk about these things. Late Sheikh Kishk of Egypt was all about that; preaching against Arab leaders. Scholars are jailed and silenced in Egypt and everywhere else. Those who have the power and supported by the influencials do win, if only temporarily.

there is laughing gas on the loose.

Yoru-eko is definitely inferior among the yorubas to Yoru-oyo. No? You do not study yoru eko, but yoru oyo in the department of Yoruba language in Ife, Ibadan, Lagos.

Yoru eko is pidgin, while Yoru oyo is Queens English. Quranic Arabic is the Queens English Yoru Oyo while other arab languages, and indeed what was spoken by bedouin, and makkan city sleekers prior to Quran was Yoru Eko pidgin English. have what I will call introspective process of looking at the cogent points.

Nezan is on the loose like OJ Simpson. Others from your camp counted 13 wives, you counted 30. And the other time you counted my ex wife as my wife, still. So if she is married now, by your account she will have 2 current husbands; an ex, (me) and the current husband whom she shares the household with! Then we should imagine a woman having three husband, if the divorced from the first, and the second is dead and with a current one. But it will be interesting if she is unmarried just from the last, having 3 husbands, but none she shares the household with. If this is the way you see things, then no one should believe anything you say.

I am a pedophile since zainab is younger than by a good number of years! No? And the sons of Muhammad (AS) were Ibrahim, Kasim, both died before they could be adult to take wives. Adopted son or step son are no sons of the Pseudo Parent. Allah says in Surah Azhab; Muhammad is not the father of any of you men. Another verse says call them by their father's name. A father is the one who sires, coming from his loin!

Go do some more reearch and stop steaming on my "GLASSES!"

Meteor, like Tree, Sand, Bird, etc used to be just harmless, until Allah uses any as He wills. Read Surah Fil (The Elephant), how tiny birds are used to kill people and rendered the elephant ineffective.

Quranic versions from the mouth of Nezan is demostrated by the below, and I hope this is what we have of the Bible, too.

1) I AM A MUSLIM. THANK ALLAH. Let call this style of writing Hafs.

2) I AM A MUSLIM. THANK ALLAH. Lets call this style of writing Warsh.

3) I AM A MUSLIM. THANK ALLAH. Lets call this style of writing Uthmani.

4)

I AM A MUSLIM. THANK ALLAH.

Lets call this style of writing Kufar.

5) lets call this style of writing Basra.

6) [center]I AM A MUSLIM. THANK ALLAH.[/center] Lets call this style of writing another.


I can continue to list, and the writing will be the same except styles. Is the Bible like that? I mean do we have Douwy and KJV and NIV exactly containing the same wordings, but different styles/

@Nezan: « #36 on: Today at 12:50:00 PM »

You can only deceive deluded souls, if allah is god of everything, why not put a sign of everything on your mosque.
You put the moon there because he is a moon-god.

Since He is my God, should I be put on it, too? Blame it on Rio is a good movie for you to watch!