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@Deep Sight what tribe are you from and did your tribe people have video camera when they started up where ever they started up, yet they must have told you and your siblings something about your tribal tradition. Man, it is oral, generation to generation in links of chain.

Look in my Ijebu Ode family, I am raising to get at least a few things on audio and moving pictures as my cousin, the oldest in the family in her 80s, before the rest know less. One of my regrets was that when her mother died, my father's younger sister, we did not take our family tradion as strongly as I do now.

The Jews and Christians on videos on youtube know something about their own history, even though you have decided to bury yours. Not all of us are like you living for the day, and avoiding the reality of tomorrow, just in case, maybe your children will not be a freebie, atheist and nontraditional like you who cares less if you are a product of goat and monkey together! Abeg, move to the other side and let people with intelligence discuss, and before camera, and indeed video, people knew their own history, and as a proof we have pyramids, and they are attached to Fir'awn, some laborers built them. We did not find Fir'awn alive or laborers toiling, but we see product, pyramids and some people who are now first class citizens say they used to be the mulls that erected them, and I do not see how they can demean themselves, in order to shame the coptics and egypt, both as people and nation do not deny it! In law it is admission of guilt of some culpability.


The Jews who are now praying like muslims and the christians who are now praying like Muslims, imitating the savage muslims is not what those who think that they are evil Will do! You do not copycat evil people when you know that you are better than them, except that you only say that you are better, but in reality ou know that they are he correct people!



And mazaje who said Muhammad copied the Bible; I have Surah Yusuf for you. Read it and read the story of Joseph in the Torah/Christian Bible, and observe what Jacob said to his sons, when they came back with the "bad news" of Josephs death. I present below what Yacoub said:


Muhsin Khan
12;17: They said:"O our father! We went racing with one another, and left Yusuf (Joseph) by our belongings and a wolf devoured him; but you will never believe us even when we speak the truth."


12 18: And they brought his shirt stained with false blood. He said: "Nay, but your ownselves have made up a tale. So (for me) patience is most fitting. And it is Allah (Alone) Whose help can be sought against that which you assert."


They knew that their father was special, a prophet and wise and Allah will not let them fool him in their lies, so they already confessed guilt, by their own mouth, knowing that Allah must have let him know that their plan will not be truth in this matter, since he had instructed even prophet Yusuf to not tell them about the dream, which is yet to be fulfilled. The prophet with wisdom that he knows that they made up a tale and he not knowing what Allah Will do, since does not know the future will be patient, afterall his grand father and grandmother and step grandmother and uncle, father's older brother who qualified to be only son, were all patient people.

Look at the outcome and and compare and or contrast both the accounts from the Quran with what was in the Bible!


Could Muhammad (AS) have produced a better Yusuf from Biblical Joseph? Could Muhammad have been able to produced an apparently resolved Prophet yacoub from an apparently ignorantly lost Jacob of the Bible, conniving and was inturn connived?

@Noetic: So that you know Islam is the correct religion, the Youtube has videos library of Christians sects from the First Centuryof Jesus minisry prostrating as they pray. That would be shocking wouldnt it?

What is more shoking is that the Jews do the same thing. Buth the Jews and Christians Stand, bow and prostrate in their prayer; The Jews is vocal as if making Salatul Fajr, Magrib and or Isha, while the Christian is quite as ifmaking salatul Duhr and or Asr. It seems to me that one may argue that this method of worship is what the Jews and Christians have in common, and nothing else, not even the same Bible!

But why would they agree with the Muslims? If one argues that the Muslim copies either of of them, why would they copy each other, except that Salah is correct and muslim is correct, no one can say that the Jewish and Christian sects that does the muslim salah type prayers are heretic for it is not possible for both of them to choose this prayer type of Islam to express their heresy or heretic leanings.

Islam says that salah was prescribed to each earlier nations, hence it is also prescrbed to the youngest of nations, the Muslims of Muhammad (AS). The fact that the earlier muslim nations of Musa and Isa (AS) kept the remnant what was commended on them which their leader expressed (Jesus in Garden of Geshemane) and Musa in Many places and definitely mount Sinai, shows that if Islam cpied then (not) the salah have to be right since they also copied each other proofing that what is best of the prophets and nations earlier than Muhammad and muslims with him were brough into the Quran by Allah, If it is the Jews and Christians who copiesd the muslims, though you may call them heretic, they the Christians and Jews chose a great quality the most humble way to pray to God instead the raucous shout and dancing, or just aimlessly knocking or bopping the head.

For the Jews: The Youtube's Prostration in daily Jewish prayer and also daily Jewish prayer and submission are two of them.


For the Chrisians Youtube's Early Christian prayers is the one that will lead yo to many others including the Ethiopian Crsitians prayers with facial prostrations.


Between you and me, neither has the grace and gaciefulnes like the metered Muslim Prayers.

@Deep sight: I am married to more than one woman. InshaAllah, I will marry 4 wives, and as i love women, I do not have to have girlfriends out there, so am satisfied with what Allah permits me, instead of playing hypocracy, saying I have 1 wife and am wilder than a boar, shamelessly having sex with every skirt that moves, spreading what i have and taking in what they have, without a safety net against sexual epidemic diseases, HIV, AIDS, all others.

As I love Davidylan, he is almost like my own son, but am i really his father, since we do not share the same blood, I know who I sired, and david knows who real daddy is. So my adopted son is the same, and even as I say that the adopted son is my own son, can he not marry my daughter or should he marry his own sister from the same father, even though he noew bears my name and the daughter from her father bears her father's?

any reasonable being shall tell you that her father's daughter should be forbidden to him, while mine is not and he may not do it, it is only by choice but not by moral prohibition as a result of bloodline.

and if a woman reaches puberty, she can have sex with a man she is married to. afterall 'little people get matured and look like children. to say that marriage equal sex is absurd.

mazaje to proof my point that Moses knew Fir'awn, you have personally said that Moses existed, and the whole of egyptian people and the jews have to be more correct than you about what happend to Israelites in egypt long time ago, than you a young buck from nigeria living in finland, no?

the fact that they both agreed to the existence of fir'awn and moses leading them out against his tyranny is enough to say that you are just talking for the sake of talking and no substance behind it.

now it is only in Quran that clearly speaks about the fate of the body of fir'awn, as it states that he perished and the body was preserved and will be viewed by future generations of man to see what happen to him. No other book, Toral or Injil included gae such an affirmation. that alone is a proof that Muhammad knew best among mankind, and he did not copy anything from anyone, otherwise he would have been silent like the others about this, rather Quran boldly made itself a Lone Ranger, and it has proven to be so, as the body has been confirmed to have died of affixiation with excess among of salt from salty water in the lungs.

tell me something else man. in this case you lost, only the chrsitians you can criticize and get away with it, you may not ike what you hear, but the answer will stare you directly in the face from Islam.

Rest well, and I may be off for the last ten days, and when i come back, I will make a minced meat of noetics false accusations.

WildOne when you die at 130 in a wild state, what shall the wildone's babies do with you body? I need answer, please. It should be wild no less is expected from you.

mazaje read surah Taha and see the full text of what Allah says to him and what Moses told Fir'awn when he approached him. Moses did not say to him let my people go, he was talking to him about receiving guidiance and if he had, the story would have been different today.


Muhammad (AS) did not have to "plagiarize" and there is need to qualify what did not happen with shamelessness. Allah is Knower and afterall, He sent Moses and sent Muhammad (AS), difference is timeline, and I can show that Jews made salah, and the christians made salah too, using Jew and Christian in a loose term, but the primary followers of the two prophets, Moses and Jesus (AS) were neither but Muslims.

Noetic, at least make effort to study, and you will better for it, unlike if I gave you partial information to a "house party", you would have navigated yourself to it, even as far away Grinsby from your London home. I will not spoon feed you, grown man.

Agbalagba nie, awa egbon e o ni ba e je bi owo osi! Dide nle bi omoluwabi, ma fara wolee bi obun to nfenu hora (my hora is not ekiti word thats oora as in oya oo, even if you left 5 years ago, and we are not abusing you, okay, neotic).

Noetic read and Surah Fajr's last Verse tells Muslim, "the soul that has pleased Allah" enter Paradise. Read my man, dont let your hatred of Islam make you unjust to yourself carrying ignorance on your forehead as if its a badge of honor!

where in the koran is any of these written?

Read whats up.

Absolute rubbish.
allah says mary is the third part of trinity. . .even an atheist knows that this is false,  . . . .another goof of allah.

Then how come the Catholics and the Nestor, and other old sects dont know it? Do you know there are Christian sects that make prayer as almost as the Muslims make Prayer (SALAH)? There is a lot about Christianity, and certainly much much more you do not know about, Islam. I have news for you there are sects of Judaism that pray almost exactly like the Muslims (SALAH).

What therefore interesting to know is that some sects of Jews and some sects of Christins do pray almost exactly like the Muslims (SALAH). What this raises is how is this possible, except that in the Bible, we see that Jesus made prayer(s) like muslims in the garden of gashemane, being in his prayer silently, when you see the christians, you will think that they are praying the silent Salah of the Muslims (Duhr and Asr).

When you look at the Torah, Moses was very vocal and he made same prayers, otherwise, Jesus must have discovered his own brand of prayer, or he and Moses have the same type of Prayer, and when you observe the Jews they prayer loudly as if making the islamic Salah of (Subh, Magrib or Isha).

When I read the Quran, I see where in Taha Musa was told to establish Salah as a rememberance to Allah right from theBurningBush where he was called to Prophetship. And in Surah Mariam where he defennded his mother and spoke about peace on him on the day of his death, and ressurrection since peace was already realised about his birh, he said that he was told to make/establish "SALAH"< too!

These are proofs that islam is the correct religion, and nother is correct. And when you doubt me, I will give you the link on WWW to check it out and those who are more computer literate than me, will attach it on this thread for everyone to see.    

Absolutely irrelevant.
Allah says the Aaron is the sister of Mary. . . . .both of them lived at least 2000 years apart. . . .  . .allah is a bad student of history. . . . another goof of allah

You Noetic is son of Adam, how many thusand of years between you and Adam, is it not extremely larger than what is between Haron (AS) and Mariam? Of  course yes.    

allah is a very confused guy.
in one breadth he says Jesus never died. . . in another breadth he quotes Jesus blessing the day He would die . . .how do u plan to rationalize this.
my opinion is that those who rebranded allah from a local arabian idol to an islamic moon god did a very very very bad job. . . . .they are not intelligent and seem to be uneducated.

A little boy in a cradle talking is a miracle, then we he talks about his future life and recreation, it must be another set of miracles. Is that confusing to you, but not to me. Jesus spoke about what happened to him, birth, and speaks about what will happen in the futre; and his future is part of his returning, dieing  peacefully and then getting out of grave peaefully and get mercy instead of justice. We cant say death by hanging and waking up with holes in the body and bodyache iare peaceful death and peaceful coming up as ressurrected being for Judgement, or are we in Judgement day yet, when all the muslims are not dead, and we do not subscribe to RAPTURE?

1. just like allah and mohammed u just keep goofing. . . the difference is that u are goofing in the 21st century. . in the age of knowledge.
The rubbish allah and mohammed said could have been permissible thousands of years ago but definitely not now.
Allah said clearly that ALL muslims, regardless of their works would go to hell. . .and u want to rebrand it to say pass through. . . . .okay. . Give me one good reason why anyone should believe that allah would remove u from hell after consciously and willingly putting u there in the first place.[/qute]Pass over it is what I said, it is you said muslims will go to hell as if that muslims will be punished, and you are the one who says pass through it. Neither of your assetion is correct and again, muslims InshaAllah will not be punished, and its not the case with others in their religions. Muhammad did not say to the assembly of the Muslims that they will be punished or call them bad names, all together. All others call their people bad names. If you have any strong opinion, and proof please present it, if it is available.  

lolz so the woman will get to share her man with 71 others in paradise after sharing him with 3 others on earth,  . .      please tell me this is a joke

While you cant handle a wife successfully, there are men who can handle more than a wife. While some wives will not be bent out of shape if they are not having zex so frequently, even as man and woman on earth ars jealouse, in Paradise, there is none of that, and people will always be satisfied with what they get, no hardship on or woman.  

1. allah is a confused guy. . . .in so many parts of the koran he made several contradictory statements . . . first he asked u to ask from the jews and christians about anything u dont understand. . . .next he asks u to kill them off,  . . .  ,  then he says kill apostates. .  ,  . .is there any reason why u think that allah is not a fraud?

I already answered that portion, just in your earlier questions, yesterday. Go back and read it. But if I told my son to ask his friend about something his friend is obviously lying to him about, shamefully forcing that friend by his rhetorics to tell the truth, I do not think that that friend knowing that I had informed my son this will correctly say that I did not know about the truth that he is hiding, projectting falsehood to my son, who know by the knowledge of my knowing, because of my being older tan them, let my son prepare for the lie and forcing him to preempt him from contuing to go on with it.

2. the koran is the product of allah and it is a fraud. what is the source of the koran? was it written by angel jubril or crammed by muslims over the years?
first u lie that jubril gave it to mohammed . . . .  .we later found out that it was not written until 300 years after mohammed had died.
u, mohammed and allah are a bunch of cheats and unintelligent frauds.

I think The Quran that was compiled by Abu Bakr leadership and Hafsa (RA) the wife of the Prophet (AS), could not have been written 30 years after Muhammad died, from parchments of the original cwritings of the Sahabas (RA) when it as originally revealed and the recitation of it from their memorization, which they must have done in order to make salah and recite "Quran" not in a book form mind you, 2 functions of three that Masajid are used for.

The Copies generated in many styles all from this Master First Book Bind held by Hafsa, came under the successor of her own father, in the kalifah of Uthman Affan! These were less than even 20  years after the death of the Messenger/Prophet Muhammad (AS). Issue of fraud and not being Jibril that brought them therefore is settled, since you are not even accurate about the timelime of when Quran was compiled into a Book, considering that the first time the Quran was made into book, it took a big conversation between Abu Bakr, the kalifah and Umar and others wheo were the other sahabah alive.

@Noetic2: « #26 on: Today at 01:59:18 PM »  

is this the best u can come up with? Allah called himself a WE. . . .  .what a joke

Queen Elizabeth of England, who you noetic will address as your "lord" when you have an audience with her addresses herself as a WE. Every royal blood does. I did with you, and you did not object, but you object, continuously about Allah the Almighty saying We, US, OUR, OURSELVES, about Himself.  

can u just tell me how many days allah made the earth? why is this question so hard for u to answer?
is it because u agree that allah is a fraudstar?

If you want to take period as day for the benefit of our discussion, then I will oblige you and say it is 6 days to make all things, which earth is part of the all things.


[Quote]This is hillarious    
Allah told mohammed the stories about alexandra the great, he also told mohammed that mary is aron's sister  
why did allah not tell mohammed about cleopatra and Julio ceaser? Allah is such a jester[/quote]What is spoken about is spoken about. We can tell about a cleopatra or a Julius Ceaser if they call in to or not of what is described as good or evil.

@Noetic2: « #29 on: Today at 02:37:21 PM »

@ olabs
what benefit do I get from being a muslim?

You will not be classified as a Kafir, a denier of truth, any longer, replacing it witha better name; muslim. Thats the begining of a beautiful life.

are my sins recompensed?

All your sins are forgiven, wiped out from your evil column, but then turned to good, there by you start out with "plus points", untill just been zero and zero in both columns, always the statements of other religions as to the conditions of New Converts.

do I obtain salvation?

Your Creator guarantees it on the pages of the Quran.

whats the assurance of a place in paradise?

Surah Fajr's last verse tells you to enter "Jannah" unopposed.

Wa aleykum salaam wa Rahmatullahi Taala wa Barackatuh. What I said is supported by Quran verses and Ahadith of the prophet (AS).

If you have a different opinion, please present the Quranic verses that support it and also the ahadith. Hopefully a position will be determined and all will be settled; Allah says in the Quran, those who listen to the "Words" and get the best meaning, the best course, the right course. I will read the posts for better understand of my position.

please go to www.answering-christianity.com's "treatment of apostates" or "kill apostates" to have a read of those who have the same opinion as I have. Will 2;256, and other verses of Quran allowing leaving islam, and coming back to it, this was repeated until Allah says He will not accept their coming back as a repentance any longer and the many verses that allows judgement to be reserved till the day of Judgement will have no place in the Quran then, and the ahadith will have no condition as it is enacted literally, so a hindu who comes into Islam will be killed or the Christian who left and became atheist is to be killed, too, by anyone who gets their hand on them, and in any of the condition, muslim or Islam does not have to be part of the equation.

I am waiting to hear from you, yaa habib.

the former extremist is not letting us know that he is or not a muslim, at the time of his article. but we see him saying our, and their when he refers to the general land of britain or britons, and the foreign muslims, respectively.

my own opinion is that the writer is a phantom, never was a muslim. propaganda disguising as an extremist muslim, almost suggesting that muslims must be extremist, but Allah says that no one should be an extremist, but must be moderate in religion.

« #16 on: Today at 04:06:42 AM »  

Allah is a complete fraud and plagiarist. Allah has been repeatedly caught describing himself in a plural form using WE. . .  , that must be a legion of demons.

Awa ju wo lo Noetic. I just used "AWA" a yoruba word for "WE" for myself alone talking to you, noetic who am certain is younger than me. Okay, Davidylan and me are close, he is like a son to me, I sometimes kid around with him, while speaking the truth. Let me use him here; David, your www.com dad, Olabowale, is instruction you to call them (Olabowale), next week. Omo mi, we "Olabowale" love you for the pleasure of Allah, and when you become muslim, it will make us "Olabowale" very happy.

That goes for you too, young girl (grown woman, chief Dr. Nwando), a sincere desire from us (Olabowale).

I did not ask u for periods. . . all I asked was days. . in how many days did allah create the earth?

Period was used instead of days; Day is yaum. Check the Quran, even though am not a scholar, but you should educate yourself.

 

will u stop making a fool of urself? where is this written in the koran? when did allah tell mohammed stories? you are as ignorant as allah. . .always telling one lie to back up another

In Arabic, the word qasas, is story. There is a chapter so named in Quran. Its Surah Qasa. Read it. Google that word; Qasas or Chapter named story in the Quran? You may be surprised.  

a. allah said mary is assumed to be co-equal to God

The Catholic prays to her. Thats to me as a human being its enough proof. However, Allah does not say that, except that He ask if Jesus told people to make him and his mother as co-Allah, since you, Noetic takes Jesus as God, and also follows what he says. The answer of Jesus is very clear and Allah exornarating him is also clear. What Allah has done, is the scenerio that will take place in the day of Judgement, allowing Jesus to clear his own name and exclude or exculpating himself from the lies in the presence of mankind, to show that Allah is his Lord, and his true position is a prophet and of course those who are wrong can get due Justice from the JUDGE; Allah.

b. allah calls mary the sister of Aaron

You are my brother and I dont know you. You are brother because we are brother by gender, both men, and by tribal affiliations, both Yorubas, by nationality, both Nigerian, by skin classifications, both blacks, and by being from human race, both sons of our father Adam (AS). But the generation between us (you and I) and our father Adam, who was not man that sired you nor I, is quite longer and larger and bigger than whats between Haroun (AS) and Mariam, the mother of Jesus (AS). And when anyone calls you son of Adam, have you ever refused it and tell the person that he lied, or when a person says you are omo Oduduwa for because you are a Yoruba or when a yoruba person say to you "Omoya", knowing fully well that you do not have the  same mother, why accept it and you are calling what Allah says fraud when they are in the same line of thinking?

 

c. Jesus clearly says in your koran that peace be unto Him the day He dies. . . yet allah claims Jesus never died.
I hate repeating myself. . .allah is a fraud.

Happiness on me the day I have another child by my wife Zainab, Alhamdulillah. But Zainab is not a mother yet. This statement is a statement of affirmation of what will come in the future! This is in the same meaning as Jesus saying as a child that he will die peacefully at a later date. Allah says he is not dead, yet, and the claimed death "CUCIFIXION" is itself a proof that he has not died.

Watch this; for him to die, the death has to be peaceful, Jesus said that in the Quran, and you cant use that verse to proof that Jesus died already while you ignore the condition of death, we know that Crucifixion was not peaceful, the beating that leads to it, the wearing of the thorn, the carrying of the cross, the nailing and the allowing to die a slow death, and the crying out "my God, my God, forsaken me",  and not my father my father why have you forsaken your partner, or and yourson, etc, either way proof the fact that Quran is correct in Surah Nisaa that Jesus was not Crucified nor died, but made to look that way.


[Quote]go and read surah 19:71
allah says all of u are HELL bound.[/quote]Thats not what 19;71 said. Surah Mariam talks about mankind and that erse specifically says "Pass over it" and you can not say a pass over it is saying going into or staying in it or punished by it. If you can spin a spider web around it, please bring out the verse and lets analyse it. There is no proof that Muhammador Adam, or Noah, or Ibrahim, or any prophet and yes, Jesus will be punished, since they are all muslims. None of these men (AS) was a Jew by religion. If there is one, please say his name and give us proof.

None of these men was a Christian. If there is any, please write his name and give us your proof.

u did not tell me what the females would get? if the males get 72 virgins, what would the females get?
if everyone in paradise are shagging virgins . . .what would allah be doing? will he be watching?

Zaujah, Zaujahan, are companion, used for husband or wife. My wife is my zauj, and am also hers. And why a man in Paradise will get his own wife or wives and other Hourin, the wife  or wives will see the husband as hourin too. And a woman who makes Paradise alone, like the Unmarried and never sexed Marian Um Isa bin Mariam (AS) and Asiia zauj Laanatullahi kafr Fir'awn, they will get their hourin, Muhammad bin Abdallah (AS). Where is the confusion, and husband will be enough for his wife or wives, because both of them are now hourin to each other except that they used to be earthlings, instead of what was never onn earth!

And men are more sexual than women, for the most part, anyway. No africans can deny that in there extended family tree, there has not been a man who married more than 1 wife. And its interesting that Ibrahim (AS), Jacob (AS) and many of the ancenstral men of the bloodline of Jesus (AS), and Daud (AS) all had more than one wife!

can u please stop the lying?
how many apostates verses in the koran and haddith, where allah asks that apostates be killed do u want? 10 or 20?
why kill anyone anyway

If its killing apostates, Quran did not say that. If you can comb it out, I will like you to present it. There is a ahadith that says it as follows; whoever leaves his "religion" kill him. If therefore wr take this ahadith as it is without any qualification or "as the saying of the Christians"; interpretation, then a Jew who leaves Judaism to Christianity will be killed, a hindu who leave Hinduism to Islam should be killed, a Christian who leaves Chritianity to Islam should be killed, a muslim who leaves Islam to atheism should be killed. No? Thats the exact word for word of the meaning of the "ahadith" and the killers are not restricted to be muslims, but anyone, and leaving a religion and going to another or not at all, is not only from islam or to other(s)!

There must be a qualification and that qualification is that if the apostate leaves Islam, and goes about lying and determined to destroy it be all actions, war of words or ammonitions, etc, and if warned and will not stop, then if seized, he should be killed, because there is no society on earth or people or community that will deal less against its mortal enemy.

America my beloved country in her national glory is determined to kill Osama bin laden, Dr. Al Zakawi and other, if any of them is found, and they are not even apostates, and america is not by a long shot Muslim country yet, but considers these people as mortal enemies!

you are so delusively ignorant.

Thank you, aburo. Oseun to nki awa egbon e. Kaaro jare. Gbere jagunlabi omo oduduwa. Which one of the yoruba greeting you will reject?

how can koran be the evidence of itself? how can a forgery validate itself?
in how many days did the koran say the earth was created?

I am the evidence that I exist. Quran is the evidence because it is consistent in over 1400 years, in its language (every muslim agrees that Quran is in Arabic and other languages' quran is not Quran), and the recitation is unchanging from way back then till now. If thats not evident enough for anyone, then that person will not be satisfied until death comes to him/her.

Cigeratte and al kind of smoking, not completely harmless to the body by the health issues it creates, it in its best form allow the carefree attitude of carelessness, in the same manner that alcohol consumption results in or brings.

Neither condition is good for a muslim, for it not permissable to joke into excess and allowing ignorance or lies to dominate ones quality or idealness, and it is permissable to harm or kill oneself, a final result of gradual and long term consumption or usage of any and all types of smoking!

In my opinion, and drawing directly from Quran and ahadith, Smoking of all types is Haram or at least Disliked.

@Noetic: « #7 on: Today at 12:29:31 AM »
[Quote]if I gent a cent for every time u have repeated the semantic above. . .I would be a trillionaire by now.
your arguments dont add up. . . . . . .everyone is laughing at the folly of your trinity analysis. , . .this is becoming disgraceful. . .drop it.[/quote]where is my fraud and why should I drop whats clearly the truth just because you are unhappy, since i was not intending to not tell you the truth? If I am lying then explain Trinity in a very sensible manner with clear logic where a 10 year old can say i get it, with scratching his/het head saying that this older man must be a liar. Then have the strength to answer these or at least consider them, by your own account;

1) Jesus is God, or not?

2) Holy Ghost/spirit is God or not?

3) Father is God or not?

If these three are individually Gods, who are independent and completely Gods able to cat as God 100% individually, then you have three Gods and Trinity is well explained. If they are not individually and completely independently God of 100% capability without a deficiency, in each and every case, ten Trinity is zero, at least frpom the Christian point of view, Therefore choose what you want, if I consider your trinity vaidity scenerio, then you have Multiple Gods and you can claim that I am wrong or I put forward a fraud. If your situation is to shy from Trinity, I will therefore ask you why are are you a Christian, the same question I asked my mother, which brought about her reversion into Islam!

A set of good questions to ask yourself: When God as Jesus died, then which God is watching over all creation? Which God will never die? Or did all the Gods died with Jesus? Will all the Gods come back to earth with Jesus, or did thy get to be born like Jesus, ressurrected like Jesus, raised up like Jesus? What exactly?



[Quote]where is the evidence to suggest that abraham ever knew or served the arabian idol called allah?[/quote]Neotic. It is not allah but Allah the Almighty. Ibrahim with his son Ismail (AS) build the Kaaba in the life time of both men, and in Surah Imran, An Am, Ambiyya, Qasas, you read about his prayers and supplications to cover his progenies as the only people to become Imama (leaders of mankind), and prophets, hence after he and Lut, every Messengers and Prophets came from his bloodlines! We know that n Surah Imran, Allah says that Ibrahim is not a Jew or a christin, but a Hanafi, Muslima, and not compromising god(s) with God!

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if I gent a cent for every time u have repeated the semantic above. . .I would be a trillionaire by now.
your arguments dont add up. . . . . . .everyone is laughing at the folly of your trinity analysis. , . .this is becoming disgraceful. . .drop it./quote]where is my fraud and why should I drop whats clearly the truth just because you are unhappy, since i was not intending to not tell you the truth? If I am lying then explain Trinity in a very sensible manner with clear logic where a 10 year old can say i get it, with scratching his/het head saying that this older man must be a liar. Then have the strength to answer these or at least consider them, by your own account;

1) Jesus is God, or not?

2) Holy Ghost/spirit is God or not?

3) Father is God or not?

If these three are individually Gods, who are independent and completely Gods able to cat as God 100% individually, then you have three Gods and Trinity is well explained. If they are not individually and completely independently God of 100% capability without a deficiency, in each and every case, ten Trinity is zero, at least frpom the Christian point of view, Therefore choose what you want, if I consider your trinity vaidity scenerio, then you have Multiple Gods and you can claim that I am wrong or I put forward a fraud. If your situation is to shy from Trinity, I will therefore ask you why are are you a Christian, the same question I asked my mother, which brought about her reversion into Islam!

A set of good questions to ask yourself: When God as Jesus died, then which God is watching over all creation? Which God will never die? Or did all the Gods died with Jesus? Will all the Gods come back to earth with Jesus, or did thy get to be born like Jesus, ressurrected like Jesus, raised up like Jesus? What exactly?


[Quote]!where is the evidence to suggest that abraham ever knew or served the arabian idol called allah?

It is not allh but Allah the Almighty. Ibrahim with his son Ismail (AS) build the Kaaba in the life time of both men, and in Surah Imran, An Am, Ambiyya, Qasas, you read about his prayers and supplications to cover his progenies as the only people to become Imama (leaders of mankind), and prophets, hence after he and Lut, every Messengers and Prophets came from his bloodlines! We know that n Surah Imran, Allah says that Ibrahim is not a Jew or a christin, but a Hanafi, Muslima, and not compromising god(s) with God![/quote]

My sister Uplawal: Am humbled by your statement. May Allah reward you for your effort. Sometimes the Musa and Nuh (AS) in me comes out instead of Ibrahim and Isa bin Mariam in me (AS).

I pray that Allah the Almighty make your path easy, well lite and bless you all the days and the many decades of your life still. Amin.


Salaamualaykum wa Rahmatullahi Taala wa Barackatuh. Good night sis.

you are such a fraud.

am a fraud since calling Isa Masiah, saying that he was nabiyyah bani israil and Laa talata? I accept it even though you did not show example of my fraudulence claims!

a. where is your proof that suggests that the koran contains a single element of truth?

Allah is One without partner and He begets none and He is not begotten. Thats a start. He alone is the Creator while others are creation

b. how many days did the creation take place?

Six periods

c. how did mohammed manage to see alexandra the great?

Allah told him (AS) stories of the past, if its Alexander, then it is Alexander!

d. why was the writer of the koran so ignorant and delusive to have called mary the wife of God and a member of the trinity?

no where is Mary called wife of Allah and there is a group of the Christians who not only prays to Mary, but also calls her "mother of God"

e. why did the koran quote Jesus as saying "blessed be the day I would Die" ?

an event to happen in the future, the statement was made in cradle, and Allah willing he will die when h returns, and not worshipping as neither a christian nor a jew!

f. why has allah decided to deposit all muslims in hell fire?

there is no place that Allah says that Muslims will be in Hell, or that he will punish true believers, that including Adam, Noah, Ibrahim, Musa, Isa bin Mariam and Muhammad (AS)

g. why would allah reward his faithfuls with sexual orgy. . . . .72 virgins? what do the female get?

sex and other thngs are are parts of the pleasure of this world. A beautiful wife is something to enjoy by her husband. Thank Allah for women, I expect the best InshaAllah when I enter Paradise. And among the paradise wives of Muhammad (AS) will be Mariam umm Isa bin Mariam who no man ever slept with, and of course Assia, the believing wife of tyrannic black man Pharaoh.

h. why does allah not give apostates the liberty of not worshipping him? why does he want them killed? why is forgiveness not an option to allah?

apostates who do not try to destroy by lying against Islam is unharmed.mere leaving out of Islam does not mean you will be killed right away, otherwise it will go against the Quranic verses that allow the many coming into and going out of Islam and the fact that 2;256 says there is no compulsion in religion, and others shall be unnecessary. But thats no the case. please check out the website answering-christianity.com's section about apostasy, and my responses at RickyBlack's thread " urgent answers to my muslim brothers and sisters on the NL religious tsection

i. why is allah and the koran so contradicting? in one breadth allah asks u to consult the bible and torah for koran confirmation.,  . . . .in another breadth he asks u to kill christians and jews for being unbelievers?

no where does the Quran ask the muslims to consult, but to wisely challenge them as the Prophet (AS) did in Madina on the issue of Stoning the adulators. Read it very carefully, since they were going to force him to lie as they did with the Biblical Jesus with the "whoever does not sin story, so  Muhammad ask them that It is not in their Book, whereby somebody forced the lying Jewish Scribe to remove his hand from what he was hiding from the "unlettered Messenger of Allah"

j. why is allah such a fraud? where is the evidence to suggest that anything in the koran is true? why should anyone believe what allah says?

te Quran itself is the evidence. And the litmus of that evidence is that Quran says that Rome will defeat Persia after just being freshly defeated, it happened like it was stated, while the Bible cant say anything definitively about the fate of Moses pharaoh of the exodus, leaving out of the children of Israil, Quran says his tyrannical body will be evidence to later generation of his demise, and this body is the most viewed of all the pharaoh, and it led Dr. Maurice Bucchaeh of France to Islam. Even a present evidence.

A word of advise, let me finish responding to you before your boiling blood as if already in fire is boiling over to push you to response. I do have a private life and am observing Ramadhan.

your above explanation was next to nonsense.
a. why does allah not have other prophets?

Adam all the way to Muhammad(AS) are Messengers and or Prophets of Allah, and from among them is Isa bin Mariam (AS)!

b. if allah has other prophets, where are their works recorded?

In the Quran, Surah Backarah, Imran, Nisaa, Al Maida, An Am, Hud, Yunusa, Yusuf, Ibrahim, Ambiyya, Qasas to name a few! Read please.

c. what makes mohammed a prophet?

Ordained by his Creator.

what were his miracles? did he perform any?

Read my posts in the Pligrim.1's The greatest Miracle in Islam.

what are the qualities of a prophet? is pedophilia and thighing part of the essential qualities of islamic prophethood?

If sleeping with your young wife is pedophilia, then am guilty with a 30 something years old Zainab and there is no proof that thiighing does exist with the most bashful of all messengers and prophets Muhammad bin Abdallah (AS)! Was there a possibility that in the presence of people a man exposes his Instruments just to touch his own wife that he does not want to sleep with yet, while this same man commanded that the AURA of males must always be covered? The propagator of these evil ideas are stopping you from the real salvation road, unlike the yellow brick road that will lead you to Hell that you are pursuing right now!

whats the essence of a prophet who never forgave?

Of course he forgave the makkans. You forgot that or you never knew it happened? He forgave the people of Taif and many others.

You are entitled to your opinion, and thats not what this thread is about, remember? You want me to sell you Islam, but are not asking questions, except giving subject but unsubstantiative reposes! But continue, and my objective is to let you know that Allah the Almighty is not allah of the idolator, even though they did not have an image of this allah, and they have images of all other idols, since they considered it undescribable!

3. allah is self-contradicting and demonic personality. history shows that allah had a wife called allat and 3 daughters. mohammed disregarded this family of allah to give arabians a new idol. It is so strange that this simple piece of historical fact could be discarded by ignorant persons bowing to the east in worship of the moon.

Surah Najm completely contradict your opinion above. If I say to a person as to matrimonial matters that he attaches me to Lola (my ex), while he took 25 years old virgind for himself, it will be clear to honest reader that this person deceives himself thinking that he is deceiving me, since both of us know that my ex is no more my wife and she is not a virgin by the virtue that she is the mother of my sons!

The case of your al lat, al manat, and al uzza is exactly like that. Read it again and to say that Allah has a wife is the height of ignorance since Surah Iklas (Chapter 112) answers that issue and many others.

4. The ridiculous continuous association of islam, allah and the moon in islamic festivals is a good testament of the prevalent idolatory as done by abd-allah the father of mohammed.
abd-allah served the moon god called allah. ,  . . .muslims all over the world worship the moon.

no muslim serves MOON! and no muslim serves idol. we are not season worshipper, like the christian whose everything is based on the climate changes from spring's easter, winter's christimas, etc.

shall we then say that the Jews the saviors of the chrsitians worship the SUN also since everything they do is centered around the sun, sabbath, etc?

Allah says in the Quran about all the celestrail bodies, moon included, they are only signs; a means of navigations, to know about the measurement of the year, and of course as creation of Allah. Then Muhammad split the Moon as a sign of his prophethood, and am sure no one do belief in a Deity or deity that they can break, except that their heart is filthy? And there is no place where the moon is talked about  except as a sign, and we can see the moon and Allah is Unseen, a different that is very apparent.

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From the above we can deduce the following
1. allah is an arabian fraud. mohammed was not born until his father died. mohammed introduced allah by denouncing the 360 gods of arabia.
mohammed's father abd-allah served one of these gods called allah. this was the same allah that mohammed's father came to rebrand.
we can dennote from this that mohammed served the god of his father. . . , the local arabian idol called allah. . . . whom u have just compared to sango.

Aliar will always be a liar, regardless of how you package you. While your idolatry 3 gods minds did not let you know the difference between allah of the pagan period, and Allah of the period from the beginning of IDAYAH, I thought your yoruba heritage will help to open your blindness. allah is exactly a fraud like god the son, god the holy ghost, and god the father. Each one of them is different from Allah the AlQaliq; Sole Creator! So say what pleases you, you werent ready to learn, your case is like that of karrun, hamana and indeed that of pharaoh who perished in the sea by a mere stick actibg as the key! Everyone else have the opportunity to read my post, so they will be the judge.

2. there is a big distinction between the historical idolic arabian allah and the linguistic allah. while arabian historians acknowledge that the arabian allah is what was rebranded to the islamic allah. . , .the same cannot be said of Jehovah God who is linguistically called allah in arabic.

and you must know so much about the arabs, along with your arab historians, if what you are saying is true, then why did Abu Jahal, Abi Lahab and his wife all refused to follow Muhammad (AS), knowing fully well that he must have just colorred anew their idol, except if they knew that what he introduced was completely different and it is the what Ibrahim worshipped? You do know that they knew about Ibrahim (AS), or you dont know?

Finally, why would Abi Talib refused to say that he believed in Allah as the Lord even on his death bed, if it is true that it is an idol, escept that he and the idol worshippers knew that Allah is not their idol, and they must destroy from their hearts all idols as well as the physical idols? This is like a dumb waiter that am resonding to!

during the fasting period, definitely what is loved is disallowed; food, drinks, sex, etc. As to smoking, it is a killer anyway, just like drugs, alcohols, risky sexual behavior, reckless behavior that could terminate life, eg high speed driving, etc are not good, disliked or openly forbidden.

If you kill yourself, little by little, as in a slow process, smoking is a very good example, you are as if you committed murder, right away, but started a longer time, earlier.

@jeorj: Can you point to the "error" that you find in Quran? And the fact that the arab girls or anyone anywhere in world have sex before marriage, is that the reason to condemn their religion, or the reason to condemn them as not following the tenets of the religion? this is a good assignment for you.

Further I have argued that Fusat Arabic which is what Quran is revealed in is the most superior of all Arabic dialects or languages, and before Quran, the Fusat did not exist. I do hope you know your arab history so that you can shed some light on this particular issue for the benefit of the non arabs, christians, others and the muslims.

why dont you find a way to know what God Almighty Lord Creator of all things wants so that you are on the right path and then lead others onto that same path? Why lead a person to Ibrahim, when Moses was the present prophet? Why lead a person to Moses when Jesus is the present prophet? Why lead a person to Jesus when he is not the TODAY's until end of time Messenger and prophet that you must follow so that you receive the favor and mercy and forgiveness from your Creator?

Why go back, ignoring today and the future?

Guys dont mind noetic, he is full of it lacking the knowledge for a True belief, and he will not be able to defend God's existence since his concept consists of 3 Gods!

Zeus is not a Known entity to everyone on earth. There is no one single entity that is known to everyone, believer or not, and every culture except God Almighty the Creator Himself, alone. You dont have to see everything before you believe that it exist or existed! I never meet my great grand parents, but I knew that of their existence. I have not seen mars and other physical things with my eyes, because it is beyond what my eyes can see. My vision does not go that far. Further no one can see the entire earth in one vision, and all of these things are accepted by us the creationists as part of what God created.

Is it therefore altogether the more possible that since one can not see everything created, humans are still in the discovery mode, and it will be ever inching forward without ever reaching the end, not seeing the Creator does not make Him not existing but Most Unique, separate and apart from every one of His creations.

Every culture has a name in their own language for Him. He is agreed to be unique, and unparallel, and even those of you atheist and or agnostics or other forms of disbelief, know that He exists, the reason you are either arguing about His whereabout, and or making what you love most in the case of the Christians as they take Jesus to be part of Him. They do not take Paul to be part of Him, because he Paul is not as loved as Jesus is.

@KunleOshob and Kola Oloye: Was Paul himself not heretic to what Jesus preached, if we take into account that Jesus warned that "no abolition of laws and Prophets?" Men, please help me out here, am trying to beat down this dude called noetics with the Bible.

and when sand was used to fight the enemies of Allah, and whe wind was used to defeat the enemies of Allah, when a mere chewing of chewing stick (like nigerian pako) was used to vanguish enemies of Allah, when in the hand of Moses (AS) his staff for support, and beating down leaves to feed animals became snake that swallowed what magicians call snakes, when in the long run the same stick brought down the egyptian coptic leader's military, then was any of these "spirit' or a microbe?

Omode yi, lo sun. Orun nkun e pupo ju!

the above made tears well up my eyes. Allah is Merciful, and beseige Him for mercy on all muslims, dead and alive through generations and on the day of Judgement. Amin.

My Imam is completely correct, in the type of complete correctness that a good belief brings to the heart. May Allah continue to give you Nur, yaa Imam Lagosboy. And age has nothing to do with knowledge.

My brother the pastor of ko see eku ko see eye mindset, you always put your best food forward. Am thankful to Allah that the title and or the content got your attention. Good questioning can come from you too. You are reasonable man, and Allah may soften your hardened heart to Islam.

And finally, the first impression is always the best impression. It last a lifetime. Is there any aspect of any religion that is better than its APEX? We do not see Allah but we definitely belief in His full existence without partnership or deficiency in quality, alway in full and completion of every aspect of His Lordship, Godship, Creatorship, Uniqueness, etc!

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lolz what an amazing introduction

Thank Allah Who made your finger to type the confession.

I will start with two questions.
1. mohammed's father is called abd-allah. , . . .who was the allah he was serving, since he died before mohammed introduced u to allah?
are there two different allah's?

Like in every society, concept of a God or Gods, or god or gods is constant as long as there was human. So in the case of PreIslam of Muhammad (AS), the makkans fell into idolatry, and they had all kind of idols as intermediaries for every day and everything who they take to communicate with Allah, allah their God, god who is the Creator, creator based on knowledged mixed with the ignorance of idolatry/disbelief!

So allah that you may say that abd-allah the father of Muhammad was worshipping was in that fashion of idolatry, just like the Onishongos of my beloved Yoruba tribe know that Olorun Oba exist, yet they kneel down and worship Shongo who is to carry their demand, worship to olorun oba. However when knowledge of One complete God arrived in Yorubaland, whereby many left idolatry, Olorun Oba (olorun oba) remains in the vocabulary to express this Real God discovered by Knowledge and faith, in belief that there is no need for intermediaries, eg Shango, and others to exist if one is a true "believer!" So from the family of Shongodeyis, you now have Imams. But lets assume that olorun oba was used by the Shongodeyi for their god then, now the iman name his son olorunobafemi, can we then say that the boy is named after shango or not named after Olorun Oba, the God that one can connect to without the usual shango, that they already scrap for junk, and melted down and sent to China to make some car parts?

This above scenerio, in yoruba's old shango worshipper is what happened to Allah of Muhammad, while the allah of his father as scrap for idol descruction. The Allah of pure belief in monotheism, is different from allah of polytheism. olufemi of ifa worship is different from Olufemi of Islamic monotheistic worship, but both carry the Olu a short form of Oluwa.

2. is allah the God who appeared to the biblical prophets? if yes. . .why did allah change all the biblical/old testamental traditions like annointing oil et all? if no. . , .who EXACTLY then is allah?

Reading my above explanation, what the Muslims have is not allah of the premuslim period of Makka, but Allah Who sent Muhammad as a Messenger and Prophet (AS) to al, starting from his own people and inviting the rest to it, without saying that he was sent to his own people only.

And as to the changes of what you called the "Biblical testamental traditions", what is true of them, are found in the Quran, plus what the Biblical writers left out of the truth, and the corrections of the lies you will find in the Bible, both Old and New Testamental traditions! This si why trinity was destroyed with just few statements, even though the word Trinity is not found in the pages of the Bible, and the Christians got stocked with that idea. To shake it off, and break out of that bondage of Trinity, read Surah Almaida. Read Surah mariam,. Read Ambiyyah. Read Surah Qasas. Read Surah Iklas, and others, but read you must.

It is not fruitless and it is not less meannful excercise. Your statement was leading me to believe that you are comparing it to something similar which you think is of greater value. If this is the case, could you tell us what is that thing excatly with a little backdrop?

Now to the topic; the essence of Ramadhan is in itself on the pages of the Quran. It is Primarily a command to "believers; Muslims" by Allah the God Lord Creator! In Surah Baqarah, Verses 183 through 188 give you that fasting is commanded on the presnt group of believers (Muslims of Muhammad (AS)), as it was commanded on previous groups of Muslims (Under each Messenger/Prophet; examples were the brands of Muslims under Moses, Jesus (AS)), so that they attain taqwa; Piety of Allah, Then ramadhan fasting month is mentioned by name to identified the unifying and compulsory fast period as prescribed, differently from the voluntary always solitary fast; Sunnah fasts; Mondays and Thursday of every week, the first three days of new moon and or the 3 days of the full moon, the days of the month of hajj, day of Arafat, a day before Ashura or after it, it the day of Ashura itself (in honor of Moses). There are still others.

Then the process of fasting when to begin and end it, daily and what to and what not to do during the fasting hours, and when to end the fasting month long, all of these, etc are stated very clearly. You can get ahadith to explain better. Get tafsir of the verses, too.