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@$Osisi: Its the food(s) that you are using to bribe me? It will not work, until you become Muslima, wearing Hijab, under your doctors coat, with the stetoscope, and a name tag that reads, Dr. (V) Mariam N. (I hope there is your father's name in there somewhere there). Allah honors women that a wife can still keep her father's name. Zainab bears her father's name compounded with my name.

@Nezan and Company. Lets compare the below pieces, indentified as A and B and see which one of them flows, easily, from one line to the other line, give the impression that they are parts of the same story. We have to agree that the Arab pagans already identified the three idols, as daughters of Allah before Muhammad (AS) iconoclastcally began their destructions by the revelations in the Quran, verse by verse. With these in mind, lets begin the sincere analysis of the two portions and be sincere about the 4 verses that look as if they belong together. Thanks.

A). Have ye thought upon al-Lat and al-Uzza
And Manat, the third, the other? (53:19,20)
These are the exalted cranes (intermediaries)
Whose intercession is to be hoped for.


B). Have ye thought upon al-Lat and al-Uzza
And Manat, the third, the other? (53:19,20)
Are yours the males and His the females?
That indeed were an unfair division! (53:21,22)

The two last lines from each are different, one set from the other , while the first two lines are common in each set. Hence our concern is on the differences, in relationship with the common verses, the two lines above! The first two verses spea about three elements, idols, which have been deemed by the pagans as daughters, beautiful and hence given to Allah, whereby they themselve, the pagans take the males for themselves. We see that they bur their daughters alive, until islam began to change that culture! We also see that Islam came to destroy idolatory and there is no reason to then honor idols, per see.

But what is interesting about this is not just mentioning the idols in the first part of each set, but the first set was saying that their intercessions were desired, and also call them cranes, a big bird which must be unfamiliar to desert dwellers. However when you look at the second set, you see that it simply discourages the paganist attached high values to these idols and their tradition of killing daughters, and rejecting the females, thereby claiming that they passed on the weaker gender to Allah, and they keep the sons, the more stonger gender for themselves!

@Abuzola: jazakallahu anakum khair. And Ramadhan Karim.

@morpheus24: how am i turning to boko haram?

@$Osisi: Have you ever considered the fact that you need a full prerequisite to enter Paradise? Sorry "heaven?"What are in the full prerequisite? Only clapping and signing and just doing good? I will not allow you to get away from this; the covering with the blood? What exactly, Osisi?


I wonder why you will not give the believers will go to Hell, lie a rest? If believers go to hell, where shall the disbelievers go? Paradise, are you for real?


At least I see that you are not a miser when it comes to what you eat, since you showcase a thick looking stew. Well if you hope to eat that good in hereafter, you got to do paradise work, and the first requirement is Laa ilaha ilallah, Muhammadanr Rasulullah. Isa bin Mariam rasulullah!

There is no other way. You cant serve God and gods, Trinity.

do you have to deal with dust and perfume, and cant avoid them during the time of fasting? I think that you may have to consider your condition if the inhaler gets into your throat. One can get injection, for example as long as it is not meant to curb hunger, etc.

But Muhammad soon retracted the reconciliation—how soon is not clear. For the account continues that Jibril (Gabriel), the angel of revelation, informed Muhammad that Satan had used Muhammad's desire for reconciliation with the pagan leaders to insert into the revelation of God the verses about the interceding cranes, otherwise called "the satanic verses". The verses which follow, not the satanic verses, serve as the proper sequence to 53:19,20 (above):

If this was true, is that not enough as a proof of his prophethood? Jesus received the whispering of Satan who asked him to go commit suicide, then worshipped him, etc. Also he drove him or his cousin John into the wilderness. satan also agitated Moses to kill an innocent person, the reason he ran away from Egypt before he received revelation! Others had the handwork of Satan; Jacob with the help of his mother deceived Isaac, Ibrahim from Islamic position had to stone Satan to get away from him so that he can fulfill the dream of sacrificing his son! I will not mention the son's name here because we will argue about it and thats left for other thread.

Are yours the males and His the females?
That indeed were an unfair division! (53:21,22)

In other words: When you Arabs have sons (whom you prefer to daughters!), how unfair of you to say that God has daughters! The idea of a plurality of gods or goddesses or sons or daughters of God is ridiculous. God alone is God. The three goddesses are false.

Then I ask you how do you relate the above verses with the previous ones that you called satanic verses? Is it not true that women are prettier to be considered beautiful much more than males? Angels are described to be beautiful. Things that are good are given to Allah/God, but the pagans at the same time, took the positionthat Allah can take care f His weak beautiful females, while they take the stronger gender as their offsprings, the reason they buried their daughters alive before Islam!

Allah told them that to make choices is an unfair thing, compounding this fact is their saying that daughers belong to Allah while sons are theirs! But is interesting to note that you did not say that these verses were changed, to completely alter the male and female separations by the pagans, which I think is more direct in line of relationship with Allah, if one is to argue it, against the "CRANE" statement, which is clearly a bird, too big to ever existing in a desert!

Two other passages from the Qur'an are considered to have reference to the compromise between Muhammad and the Arabs, and Muhammad's eventual rejection of it. The first reads:

How did Muhammad reject it? Maybe by the very compelling Surah kafiruun!

And they indeed strove to beguile thee (Muhammad) away from that wherewith We (God) have inspired thee, that thou shouldst invent other than it against Us; and then would they have accepted thee as a friend.
And if We had not made thee wholly firm thou mightest almost have inclined unto them a little.
Then had We made thee taste a double (punishment) of living and a double (punishment) of dying, then hadst thou found no helper against Us. (17:73-75)

I wish you pay attention to details. Muhammad was a human being, and though he was already been supported by Allah, he was however humbled as every human should be. On one hand, he was to say to mankind that he was only a human being and should not be looked at as anything more, except as a Human Messenger from his Lord. On the other hand, Allah used Muhammad to correct believers. For example, he shortened asr prayer one time, and when he was told about it, he stood up made 2 more rakah to complete it, then made Sadja saum (forgetful). He then said, Allah made me forget so that He can give you the legislation of how to correct your salah! It is the same thing as when one is corrected in recitation of Quran, during salah. It happened to Muhammad (AS) first, so that people can know what to do when it happens to others!

The second passage is intended to comfort Muhammad:

Never sent We a messenger or a prophet before thee but when He recited (the message) Satan proposed (opposition) in respect of that which he recited thereof. But Allah abolisheth that which Satan proposeth. Then Allah establisheth His revelations. Allah is Knower, Wise;
That He may make that which the devil proposeth a temptation for those in whose hearts is a disease, and those whose hearts are hardened –Lo! the evil-doers are in open schism. (22:52,53)

If it went as you have indicated, it is another proof that he was a prophet of his Creator, in the same line of all prophets, before him (AS)! Now a more praising statement by his Lord about him is in Surah Surah alamnastra. Allah says in it, about Muhammad (AS) "and you are raised ato the highest place of honor and remembered in the best of companies!" Is this a statement of comfort or just a statement of fact, distinguishing from all others in the community of man, as the leader whose actions are worthy of emulation? Rmember that in Surah baqarah Allah states that Muhammad is the worthy of emulations by the Muslims, while the Muslims by the disbelievers!

On the basis of these verses especially, the contemporary designation "The Satanic Verses" arises.

Which it were true, because what you have said and also like you have said dont make sense! Regardless, however you slice it, he was a prophet (AS), and the correction made by Jibril acording to you proved it so!

@Nezan: « #88 on: Today at 04:01:44 PM »

@Muhsin;

While Muhammad was in Mecca, his followers were few, his movement grew painfully slowly and he, too, felt the pain of estrangement from his tribe. According to early and treasured biographical and historical accounts of Muhammad, authored by competent Muslim scholars (such as writings of at-Tabari and Ibn Sa’d), Muhammad longed for better relations and reconciliation with his community. Thereafter, the accounts continue, God revealed Surah 53 to Muhammad up to and including vss. 19, 20. These two verses read:

Have ye thought upon al-Lat and al-Uzza
And Manat, the third, the other? (53:19,20)

Then, originally, the verses (known today as the satanic verses) followed:

These are the exalted cranes (intermediaries)
Whose intercession is to be hoped for.

Cranes? Crane could only be bird, in those day, and not building equipments. No? Well then, we know that the type of birds in Makka were the small type, because it a desert, and it will be impossible for a large bird to exist in desert. My proof of what was in makka was the birds described in Surah of the Elephant as very tiny birds. So crane, a giant bird is not possible to exist in desert makka! Further, there was nothing that was on this earth mentioned in the Quran that was not made available to the makkans, exept your phanthon "Cranes!" So this disproves your hypothesis!

The cranes whose intercession was recognized were, of course, the three deities. The same accounts tell us that after this revelation was completed, Muhammad, his followers and the pagan Arabs all prostrated. Tensions eased, reconciliation was at hand, and all were delighted.

If Islam was to destroy adulatory, and speak strictly about One Singular God capable of all things, it behoves me and true believers that no sooner that it proposed that idea, which is the reason that his Uncle Abi Lahab became his enemy, because of this along with Abu Hisham known as Abu jahal than he will turn around and incorprated this same idolatory into the same religion?

Where is the sense in this, unless he was a hypocrite, always, a liar before. Neither of these qualities he emitted before his brand of Islam, and we do not read that he was after it, so your crane as deity for the individual idols of the pagan does not make any sense. By the way there is a surah known as Kafiruun, which addressed the issue of the pagans of Makka trying to get him to compromise his religion along with them coming to that same religion! This surah destroys single handedly the thought of what you posted above!

Islam destoys intercession of anything as intercessor, the same reason we argue with your concept of Jesus as a salvation or intercession person on your behalf. Finally, every where that prostration is required when you read the Quran is always ending with speaking about Allah directly. There are about 15 places like that, and none of them ends with such ambiguity as you had proposed. Everything is very specific in Islam and I wonder where you and the storytellers that you relied on including Salman Rushdie find this concortion of easy to challege story? Its a vile story, because it is not true. If it has been true then read my follow up below!

@Nezan: « #19 on: Today at 03:42:11 PM »

Did Jesus forbid anyone from marrying? He did not marry because He is God,

Do you even listen to yourself? He did not marry because he is god? I used small h and g because in the next sentence I am going to talk about the real God. But Nezan, you find it comfortable to say that Jesus did not marry hence no children because of what you as a Christian perceived as his devineness.

How do you then conclude that the God that we all agree is the sender of Jesus, and other previous Messengers and prophets (unless you wanna say that Moses, Ibrahim, Noah and indeed, Adam, etc (AS) were not sent by the same God Who sent Jesus, then I will like you to tell us who sent them), has or had a son, when you know that He was never married and marriage is meant for mankind and having children is meant for mankind for two reasons, legacy and procreation in order to sustain mankind on earth?

not some person like mohammed with animal-like appetite for sex with more than 20 bedmates!

Nezan is flying a trial baloon with the number of wives. This is the first time that I read it to be 20 and called bedmates. My wives are not bedmates, but real wives. Muhammad (AS) did not have 20 wives. If you know them to be 20, please least their names because I am calling your bluff on this!

Did Jesus tell anyone to leave his religion? Definately YES! His message to them was to leave the old ways and follow the new way of life that He brought for them, calling them to the right path of salvation,,,,,being like Christ, imitators of Christ virtues, i.e. being Christians.

If you think your Christian way was ordered by Jesus, think again and reconcile them for us here? Where did he ask you to worship on Sunday, getting rid of Sabbath, which starts from sunset on Friday until sunset Saturday? Show me where he said you should build churches while he worshipped in temple?

Show me where he says God is three, Father and him and ghost, when he himself worshipped, begged, supplicated, cried, etc and you said he committed his spirit to that very God, as he gve up the ghost on earth? These are parts of your going against Jesus's teachings. How many more things you deviated away from his teachings? Who knows. As far as we may not be able to get the Real uncorrupted Gospel which he preaced we may not know the extend of your deviance!

Queen of England is not even a ruler but extremely wealthy that he hired some guy, the Prime Minister, Gordon Brown to rule for her. Please, stop deceiving us all. We already know that some bad apples, rotten eggs are in Islam. You dont have to remind us of them, while you hide the South American leaders with the biggest corruptions on earth and killing leading to genocidal effect on ther people, and everyone of them is a christian!

@dexmond:

S. 19:33. "So peace is on me on the day I was born, the day that I die, and on the day I am raised up to life (again)!"

please note that , the sequence in this verse is

Correct except that Allah says that Jesus is not dead yet, but made to look so! If you believe the Quranic verse that you quoted from Mariam, then you will have to believe the Quranic verse in Mariam that says Jesus is not dead, yet. Otherwise you will be seen as a selective acceptor of Quranic verses. But wait, you select which verse or verses to accept or reject in the Bible. But you cant do that with the Quran, okay.


Ma gbe yen wa o! Lol.

Nezan, how long you wanna beat the dead horse, of the boko haram? i have news for you, mister, in america, we have a lot of people who inspite of the affuence of this society are not educated, in the least. I have seen people who do not have a single pair of wearable shoes!

sheik Muhsin, wa aleykum salaam wa rahmatullahi taala wa barakatuh. Ramadan karim wa ana wa aminkum jamiah muslim fil ardh.

@dexmond: « #30 on: Today at 02:22:45 PM »

@ Abuzola

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The jesus who died ? Lmao you must be joking. Even jesus claim to have a mighty God mathew 27:46
You did not remember to add "and rose again"

The Yorubas do say "Sleep is the baby brother/sister of death" (Oruun aburo iku ni). Fainting, coma, sleep are all part of unconsciousness, in different degrees, where death is the highest state of it and it is the permanent form of unconsciousness, until one is recreated for Judgement day!

Look, Michael Jackson has not been buried, except that his people and the rest of the world knows that he is dead, otherwise his unconscious state prior to his been dead now was based on the soul still intact with his body, which is now lifeless. His doctor who was one of the last people to see him, said that he was "unconscious" before Michael was later declared dead.

what abuzola had cleverly put forwasrd, which you did not get and his reason for not adding that "he rose again," as you have suggested is that he was saying to you that Jesus did not have any experience other than unconscious to everyone, except that he fainted, or comatosed for a short period of time, since his blood was still flowing freely and no time did he experience rigormortise! The people who helped him down/took him down (helping god, taking god down), may not even know his condition at first, but God Almighty his Lord God Creator Whom Jesus was praying to asking to let the cup pass over his head, and adding it Your Will and not my will will be done, knew the exact condition of Jesus. He intended not for him to die on the cross, and He saw to it that he did not die on the cross, the place that you said he died! No?

Now then, when you look at it, you will see why abuzola said you said he died, as if to say you are really not telling the truth, but put it in a way tha maybe you will see your errors! A human being who has not truly died can not be assumed to have risen up, when he gets up, otherwise, each time i wake up from sleep, I have risen then! Now chew on that.

you need to tell this to Davidylan. the others will follow him as soon as possible.

@Poster: coolruler, it simply means "turn the other cheek", the expression that is. you dealt a hand that is too heavy to carry, but you must carry it. no way for you to shunt it, otherwise you have disobeyed the commander who said "turn the other cheek!" you must at least volunteer for a second cheating, vioation, abuse, etc, and oh indeed, slapping of the "other cheek" which you must turn!

you cant complain, because it is a sign of intending to disobey or reluctancy at accepting the order to turn the other cheek! whats so funny about all of this is that you already know that it is unnatural to subject yourself into all of these abuse, the reason you put all the many questions up for some guy who is going to beg the questions pretends as if he is answering and change the whole thing to some silly process of argument! look, just like the idea of turn the other cheek, however you slice it does not make sense, it is the way the idea of three gods to be in One God does not make sense!

now you know how impractical it is to turn the other cheek. it is impossible to allow the like of mike tyson in his hay days slap you in anger and full force behind it, and after you recover from the long daze, "turn the other cheek" to him to now slap you down, with a ferocious force that may have a disastrous outcome for you.


let me tell you, you will be the joke of the century for turning the other cheek, because you called it on yourself. i wonder if your god asked you to do something this unreal, impractiable, unnatural, inhuman to yourself and dangerous to your health, which is obvios, how many things are in the bible with one or more of the qualties that i listed?

@davidylan:

Allah cannot be God, it would mean mohammad's grandfather (who named his son abdallah) had been worshiping him before mohammad was born! But we know Abdallah himself was an idol worshiper!

Abdallah or Abdullah or Abdillah all mean the same thing; slave or servant of Allah. Thats a name. It comprises of the abd (the slave or servant part) and the illah (the god or God part). David, please help me break Abdallah into its components, the slave/servant and god/God parts, without stealling how I explain it above, if am wrong, as I think that you are saying that from below that God is Ilah and is the equiaent of the Hebrew Elah! Then I want you to argue your way out of Abdallah not being Abda slave and Ilah or Elah God, and just for good measure going back to Allah, please write "the" in arabic, please.


[quote]Posted by: davidylan
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The arabic word for God is Ilah, very similar to Elah in hebrew.

So write for us "The God" in Arabic and also in Hebrew. And if you can, please write it in a single word word, in each language, unless there is no single word to say "the God" in that particular language you may not be find it, based on your knowledge, after adequate research on the matter.

When you finish, we will post the acceptable single word in Arabic for "The God", a unique expression to denote, from the Arabic language the Supreme Creator God Almighty Lord.

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@Davidylan: « #8 on: Yesterday at 11:18:33 PM »

The arabic word for God is Ilah, very similar to Elah in hebrew.

Lol. Long time ago, davidylan and comapny, refused to even accept anything about Allah and a similar syric (aramaic) word; Eloh. I thought thats what Jesus was reported to have said on the cross, before he gave up the ghost, according to the Biblical verse (English meaning, my God, my God why has thou forsakened me?). I am very happy that we have made progress from denial to what is obviously similar. Before long I hope to see Eloi as something similar to Arabic Allah, from davidylan.

David, now tell me, what are the english meaning of Arabic words Al and Ilah? I think it is The God. Do you think am correct, or will you just write The God in Arabic for me, please.

am a yoruba man. and prior to christianity, the yorubas have olorun, eledumare, oluwa, and others for God, god/God , lord/Lord an english equivaence of Who the Creator is! and the same was before islam. now that we have both christianity and islam, and of course the remnant of the preChristianity and preIslam era, the oguns and oguns, the yemejas and the obatalas, the sangos and the oyas, etc, we still say olorun, eledumare, oluwa, etc to mean Jehovah, Yahweh for the christians and Allah for the muslims!

only a close minded person will not look at the yoruba olorun's case to know that Yahweh was probably a word among the pagan hebrews before Abraham left ur to present day palestine where they were pagans until he introdced monotheism to them. did england come before judaism and or christianity? if the answer is no, then the word God must have meant something other than what the jews, christians and muslims whose language is english!

guys, especially olaadegbu, your posting silly link is old as a ashy grandpa's elbow. they are lies and we know better, now not to read them any longer! to have a christian arab or some jewish looking arab with some rug on his head is a lying gimmick like the rug on his head.

It is shameful if this is true. I will quote Biblical Jesus in his "I neer knew you", to illustrate the deceit of those who claim to be belieers, while they go against every grain of belief! Where is it Islamic to have sex with anyone you are not married to, or oppress anyone or enslave a soul, etc?

My concern is really to the young women whose parents are so stupid enough to stick with a cultural ethnic tradition that purposely without the willingness of the woman to go into a marriage that benefits neither the bridegroom and or the bride, But in addition damages the bride along with her unhappiness thereafter. This is not the tradition of Muhammad (AS) because none of these women is Aisha bint Abu Bakr (RA)!

If I have my way and am able to say something about marriage in Nigeria, I shall tell them as a matter of law that no woman shall be deprived of education. And never should any arranged marriage take place. Until that there is an independent verification by the authority that there is an acceptance by the young woman who must never be younger than 18. After 18, if she chooses to marry a 90 year old woman, at least thats her choice and no one can fault her or shall be at fault.

@Sleek29: Ol boy, show one instruction from the Biblical Jesus against two from the same Bible, same Jesus that you Ignore: So I will start you up by giving 4 that you ignored, Do not ignore the laws of the old testament and do not ignore the old prophets. And do not encourage anyone to ignore the old testament and do not encourage anyone to ignore the old pophets.

Let me give you 4 more to make 8, so you owe me 4 instructions that you follow; Your Lord is One. Your God is One. There is One Creator and He is not more than One in His Uniqueness, so Trinity is dead!

@Nezan: When HIV/AIDS became the life-snatcher of the past generation, except that the muslims who were copying the lifestyle (Sunnah) of the Christians, it was impossible to be among the victims, if only through sex. While the bath houses in the bohemian NYC was geared towards the non-muslims, and Studio 54 was all the rage, where you can get whatever, we Muslims did not have those things openly.

And living with 4 wives, where there is no need for outside participations, is safer as it is self quarantine or sanitiztion method, rather than having One wife/One husband, and both persons have flings outside. Today, Will Smith and Jada Pinkett Smith engage in open mariage. I am just a muslim and my knowledge of Islam protects me from indulging in outside sex, even though it is so easy to get, here and right now!

Nezan, you got to seriously think about the reality of your life, man! Just like it is impossible to understand why Jesus was a virgin and unmarried throughout his life on earth, while there is no prohibition for you not to marry, Muhammad's (AS) more than 4 wives is in the same condition to you, yet I understand correct;y, without going through the usual Christian's blind faith, how Muhammad can marry more than 4 and jesus never married. Reason is that both were Messengers/Prophets fitting their individual time. Just imagine if Jesus was a father and had children, how many more Gods you could have made of them and their lineages?

Just imagine if Muhammad was never married, or remarried or married a widow, or a divorcee, or an older spouse, or a younger spouse or a virgin? Since the muslims male and female copy his ways (Sunnah), we will be in a quagmire just like you, the Christians, thinking that after one marriage, the ability to remarry is not existing, or if there is unreconciliable differences in a marriage, you just have t go along with it, even if it makes you sad and its a kiss of death to your happiness, your life, cutting it short to an earlier grave. I know that Allah knows when death will occur, it may be that that of the Christians may have to come through the unhappy marriages they continue to hold on to!

@Nezan: That was not my question. I already know that Christians claim Christlike qualities, yet they marry, they have children, they will not hang on the cross, the go into excesses, etc, etc!

My question, is direct and I will state it in a more simple way: Did Jesus tell anyone to leave the religion of his people, the Children of israel? Duuuuuh to you, too! Answer my question, bud. I think those below the mason dixon line will enjoy this; Osisi, Lady, Pligrim, etc.

And asamuel ran away without telling us what he learnt about Jihad. I wonder what he will define as har'b, in Surah Almaidah, verse 64? This dude has a christian last name, and he has a muslim first name and he is telling us that he convertedout of Islam and his father, who has a christian name disowned him, since the whole household is Islamic! What is surprising is thatthis family is ethnic Yoruba in Nigeria. Is this possible? Ngbo Pligrim, since your case is somewhat similar, except that everyone of your family is now christian, found jesus according to you, is it posible that your last name was always christian name, even though your bloodline was Islamic, assuming that the grandparents were muslims, the only reason dad was a muslim, naturally before you brought Christianity to him, which he finally adopted?

My mother's last name is Samuel, and her name is Victoria. Now that she became muslim woman, she still have the last name, Samuel, but took Mariam along with Victoria as her names, now. I am of the opinion that my mother's last name tells you what her father's religion was except if he was also a revert, then we have to assume it was grandpa's name. My mother as a daughter of Samuel could never have said that her father's bloodline was always Islamic, it will be assumed that she was not telling the truth based on that name alone!

where? America has national cathedral in dc. i live in christian community. tell me which america hates genuine christians? Osisi, Pilgrim, lady, davidylan, etc defend our adopted land against this blasphamer about it hating christianity! our new country loves christianity, and the purer the better. we have christian zionist and our conservative christian born again are working hard to force God's hand in bringing back the messiah jesus as quickly as possible, because of rapture, etc and oh, the building anew of the temple in jerusalem!

Notice that it did not say Church, but temple. One should wonder which one will Jesus worship in when he returns? Who is he going to worship since I did not say he will be worshipped but worship in?

no one will do anything to him. ramadan is when muslims have energy, if you ask me. his case is with his Creator, Whom he does not believe exist anyhow. the muslims will say; whoever does not have any shame should do what he/she wants, without regards to anyone.

nile yoruba a ma nso pe, eniyon tio ba nitiju, ko se nkon to ba fe/to ba wu.

A friend of mine asked a very poigant question, yesterday. He said, can anyone tell him with 100% certainty, if Jesus ever said to his associate, 'when I go, if you have not started while I am with you, you must definitely leave the religion of my people and adopt a name for the new religion?' This is a headscratcher question, and you need to scratch your head for answer. But give me a good answer and please dont beg the question.

I actually added mine as an earlier question, to it in a fashion that you can appreciate, thus; did Moses tell the children of Israel to adopt a name for themselves, away from childreof Israel, and establish a religion on this new name, Jew, definitely away from the different religion of Ibrahim, Noah, etc?

@Sleek29: « #2 on: Today at 10:13:33 AM »

@last poster, how can washing your body with water cleanse a demon possessed man, remember until you are baptised by the Holy Spirit you will never see the kingdom of God

please if you could believe that beliefing in the mere hanging of an innocent man guarantees you heaven, then mere washing of body in ablution, should not be less in weight of beliefing scale, because it is both in faith and action, higher by action on your singular faith belief of the death! I see you move away from the death to baptism, which the Jews never practised in their pseudo-religion, existing longer than your which you were to be part of before you invented your own.

If in your case you believe that baptism is what carries you to kingdom of heaven, you will have to agree that the poster whom you responded to with the above did not say that only ablution is needed, but gave you the understanding of something to chew on of how easy, or mercifully effortlessly it is for muslims to attain to paradise, without needing anyone to die for her/him. Inshort your fate is in your faith in God by obedience to His Commands; Belief in Him as One and not many or not existing, worship Him as He has ordered through the Prophet/messenger of your time. My time is now and it belongs to Muhammad (AS) and not Moses (AS) nor Jesus (AS)!

dexmond is not referring to Jesus or Father, any longer, since the holy spirit took over from the day of "strange talks", they call it penticost. but these christians forget that they have boxed themselves in with the holy spirit, for that day, only. look dexmond, there is no transference of the influence of the holy spirit, more than that very day, if you agree that "Muhammad (AS)" could never be the holy spirit as the another comforter promised! this simply means that there is no holy spirit, ever in your life because you were not alive when the holy spirit as another comforter's role was fulfilled for a ay, the day of penticost.

i will not allow you guys to have your single cake eaten and pretend you have it always and can munch on it whenever you want! even mr saul who later became paul had no holy spirit in him because he was not one of those to receive it at penticost, even if he was there, he had a great intention to kill the original followers of jesus and those who followed their ways.

and i summit that when you as an unmarried man who has no outlet for your sexual interest could not have wet dream for many years and counting, we may have to wonder if you are still alive, unless you are girlfriending and boyfriending a young lady who is not your wife. No? to deny sexual interest as a natural thing is to say that a woman who is a virgin will not instinctively wants to be married and have sex, if she is a moral woman, but if immoral, she will search high and low for those males who are searching to get it outside marriage. we call those kind of women and men boys crazy and girls crazy respectively. they are fornicators. unless you are doing handjiving, an immoral act, then you will have to have sexual urge, sometimes, no?

dexmond, lol, Jesus was a confirmed bachelor so how can you learn about anything about wife's menstral situation from him? Further, in the ahadith above, it is the wife who left and slept where she felt, without being pressured to return by the Prophet (AS)! Muhammad did not ever abandoned the wife's company because she is on her menses.

Let me tell you what you will learn about a wife when you finally marry: she may sometimes feel like she does not want you touching her. A good time to prepare your mind for is when she just pregnant. The sexual woman may not even want to see your face and she throws up every thing she ate. Its like throwing money into the toilet.

Have you heard of a wife telling her husband, 'I have a headache and not tonight, please?" If you push her too much, she laves the bed and go to another one, at least away from you! Thats reality, man.

@$Osisi: The issue at hand is Islam and it is way bigger than Igbo, so you proverb/saying is not suitable here. Allah from the Quran does not say that He will punish Believers; men and women. A believer is defined as those who have the correct belief and act upon it. Uplawal is one of those women, as I see her from Nairaland.

Lets examine the ahadith: First all women who are not believers will go to hell. Now that we settle that, we must pay attention to the gender aspect women versus men. Am going to use you, in my explanation, since I think I know enough about you. You are a doctor and at best your husband is one or an engineer or a lawyer or something of equal stature. You make good money at least thats what I expect. Now who takes care of the household finances? I mean do you contribute just the exact same amount as your husband, or less than him or he does contribute somewhat more? Who signs the check and since you seem to me as a mortgage person, whose name or credit worthiness makes the mortgage what it is, better for both of you? If you are the better of the two in what you contribute and its your credit that predicts the goodliness of the mortgage, then I will advise my man to struggle harder and take hold of the mantle from your hand.


However, as expected, if he is the one you listen to, and I expect that you are that type of woman, then you have your answer at least partially to the ahadith. I give money to my wife even though she is doing quite well. It is the responsibility of the man to maintain his family, and that includes the spouse, regardless of her personal wealth or status! Most women will let their husbands lead the conversation, speaking for the family if he signal so, at least in the public or even in the extended family's gathering. Am sure you know this, if your mother inlaw was able to control you at the beginning from "grabbing" here and there after the Traditional wedding, before the Church thing!

And as to the religion, am very certain that if you had married the first BF, the Ibadan boy, you will be claiming Yoruba today! Then imagine if he was a muslim? I think he was a muslim and that was your reason for throwing him out regardless of his medicine and of course, its if there is no Igbo man then thats when I will look at Yoruba Yoruba people! lol.


I was telling a nairalander, yesterday that he needs to know how painful some women get their menses. My wife was hospitalised and I think I discussed that with you, sometimes last year! Why; mainly because of her menses period and not other times. Is it not the a mercy that such a person is excused from Salah, and while loosing blood, she is not required to fast, either? Now that you complain about what Islam says about women, you failed to realise that the Bible says worse:


Adam blamed God (jesus) for creating this woman beside him.
All sins of that eating of the fruit (apple) in Eden located in Iraq, on Eve, the woman!
God curse women as to punish her: She will bleed and have pain or suffer in child bearing/delivery!
Sge will always be under men!


Osisi, a sinfu person can never be cured, washed clean of the sin. When God (jsus) cursed woman being represented by Eve, he can not turn around and send himself as a man to go die for the sins which he will punish people for! he needs to make up his mind. If this is not bad enough, he already told the followers that on the day of judgement he will tell many that he never knew them, even as they tell him that they did plenty of miracles in his name! Osisi, the indecision is just overwhelming!


Think about that for a moment and consider it agaimst what Muhammad said as an admonishment to the woman. She now needs to improve and she knows that her destiny away from hellfire is in her hand. Unlike God (jesus) who already condemned through Eve!