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@Davidylan: « #105 on: Yesterday at 06:28:41 PM »  

i wonder why abuzola wont confirm to me if his wife or wife-to-be is a penguin.
Just sheer hypocrisy to hear olabowale ramble on about nudity and YET he married a non-muslim!

Lola or Zainab? My wife is Zainab and she was a muslim for many years before I married her. I did not marry a non-muslim. I will not marry a non-muslim. David, obinrin to le foo ara e mo toni toni nikon ni mo le fe! Mi o le fe obun o. I have to resort to Yoruba so that Osisi will not understand. She says I make fun of things too much. Lol.

Isnt it funny that the Jewish ministry of information EVERY YEAR gets inundated with thousands of arab requests for Jewish women and YET the same arabs demonise them as being naked? What about the "holy" arab penguins among them?

Considering that there is a need for four (4; lol) for every man, then you got to go get them somewhere else to make up the number men. And a friend of mine some ethnic yahud got some samba like african women. And you know how Arabs are women crazy? I saw a whole bunch of them on campus and now in the masajid. Me I like african women. Thats enough for me. See, your labelling me as hypocrite does not stick!

The only place you saw those penguins on nigerian campuses was either in the mosque or in their smelly rooms, with their little colored kettles. You never saw serious muslim men with them.

Serious muslim men dont date like you, serious christina men with freaky behavior! And if you should know, women smell differently than men. You better start getting used to it, before you smell your wife and say that she smells smelly like something from the Ocean; fish, whale, clams, conk, etc as long as she does not smell skunky! David you need to call me for "lessons" LOl.

Moooslims cry loudly about morals . . . i wonder what morals they have when their men cant be satisfied with one pair of thighs for the rest of their lives. Do you need 4?

The decency police should arrest you, David. Whatdo you know about what you mentioned? You are supposedto be a virgin, until you are married, you tool!

@Sleek29: #49 on: Today at 09:11:52 AM »

1 How many people did they kill

The crusaders killed so many people. The diciples were going to kill everyone in site, except that the people were so many and the disciples were so few. You know when a fisherman catches a whale, with just conventional net, withot winches? He will just have to cut loose the net. That was the condition of Jesus and the disciples. The forces of the enemy was too much; in ammos and numbers!

2 read the next verse

? Where is the verse? Information on crsade is now a verse in the Bible? I get it, George Bush dubbed the post 911 invasion of Afganistan "Crusade!" He must have just quoted it from the Bible.

3 The crusade was fought by roman catholics, innocent Christian pilgrims were attacked on their way to Jerusalem and so the pope sent soldiers disguised as pilgrims and ordered them to fight only if attacked and just as if he knew islamic mentality thee were attacked and so he waged war against them calling it crusade, and i don't believe in the crusade, I believe in Christ, and Christ said we should pray for those who persecute us and that includes Muslims which makes the crusade evil in the first place, only a political thing,the pope wanted to expand his territory.

Everything is politics when the Cristians are confronted with their evils! But they are quick to say what is bad act from Muslim is religious and never political! I wonder why?

1 Did Jesus tell his disciples to kill?

He told tem to prepare for war by buying swords. That is an evidence to commit kilings.

2 Did Jesus Kill? (A Christian is Christ-like and anyone who kills isn't like Christ as he never killed)

So what I se here is christ-like people will do only what Jesus did? All of you who killed will go to hellfire. All of you who married will end up in faire of ake. All of you who ever had sex is doomed! All of you who never got hung on the cross and died on it, will never enter good heaven. No? Lol. I Jesus did not kil, he had intention to kill for his Creator his Lord God who is One!

3 Did peter the apostle kill? (he would have but for Jesus who told him to put back his sword in his sheath)[/quot] When you have answered your own question, I hope you had an inference from it. He had the intent to war, but the general told him to hold the fire, after the first scomish. This is the strategy of war, otherwise, many more lives would have been lost that day.

4 Did Paul kill?

Did Paul know Jesus? Was he a disciple? The guy who couldnt knock up a woman, what can you expect? This is for you who liked to be knock up or love to knock up, but you need to get marry first. I have fornication, and adultery is completely unacceptable.

5 Which apostle of Christ Kill?

I dont know. The way you are behaving , it will be hard press to believe that Christians just pick up killing from no earlier Christian fathers. It is so natural for you guys to kill, so you killing masses of people is not even a surprise anymore. That of Muslim is the headline news.

@Sleek29: « #51 on: Today at 12:41:47 PM »

@Olabowale, do you have a problem answering questions, i asked you about Jesus, you told me about moses, i follow the laws Jesus gave us which is love and faith

I dont have problem answering any question. Jesus said that he did not come to abolish the laws and the prophets. Rather he came to fulfill them. And further warned that whoever disregard the laws and the prophets, and or encourage anyone to do so, such a person will be the low in the Kingdom of heavens! Today there is lake of Fire according to the Christians. This lake of fire is not on this earth. It must terefore be in heaven; and it has to be the low in reward (as in negative reward) than the heaven heaven (paradise; positive rewards).

When Jesus said this, before your usual turning all the laws (Torah and Sabur) and the the prophets (From Adam to John the Baptist) to loe your God and neighbors, we realised that Jesus even read many portions of the Laws and spoke about the prophets. According to you, he met Moses and Elijah at his transformation, so will it be so unusual for me to draw a coomon thread between Jesus and Moses? Moses was more succesful among the Children of Israel messagers even today in followership! I use Moses to let you know that Jesus was no different if he were to have been in the position and time of Moses! Afterall, Jesus began his ministry by declaring that he brought in War and not Peace, and immediately turn over the money changers' table, all by himself. A one man gang if you look at his action.


He asked people to buy swords, which they did and were about to use it, until he realised that a handful of people could not overcome such conventional advantage over his group! You must have seen a pack of wolves hunting down a lonely Carabou, or a buffaloo? They are too many for this powerful animal to fend off. But one wolf cant take him down. So it is the same thing when Jesus saw how large the mob was that it was finished and the sword will not be enough to finish them!

@Sleek29: « #48 on: Today at 08:42:59 AM »  

Jesus prayed and so we do the same, he cast out demons,we do the same, he preached the gospel, we do the same, he healed the sick, its a common occurrence to true Christians,okay now say he didn't do any of these,

Jesus made wudu and bow and prostrated his face. You have never done that in your entire life. No christian does that. Jesus had a regement way of praying, yours as christian is random. If you attend church services, if you are joning them at the tail end, after they finish, you will leave with them, but not cover what you missed! This is prayer? How can you cast out demons, when you guys worship demons, having three gods in 1 God? That is demonic if you ask me! Did Jesus preach what the gentleman Paul wrote? No. But you Christians preach it before you even preach what you want Jesus to say, in the Bible! And if you heal the sick, why do you get sck at all, except that God Almighty afflicts whoever He Wills! He heals those who He Wills, too. Can you raise somebody from death without ever dying, again? Can you prevent your own death? You know that you enjoy this world, the women, the cars the good foods, etc. Can you prevent yourself from getting old? So dont even try to tell me that you are eager for Christian heaven with that poor description you havefor it. Left to me, I will take best of this world, anyday than the clapping and singing and 'praising' which is the christian heaven.

And give me what true christian is, and what percentage of Christianity? The rest are not true Christians, and they are already condemned to the lake, from your statement above, in the tradition of Jesus! Lol.

now answer these questions did Mohammed marry 4 or 11 wives?, did he kill anyone?, did he marry an under aged aisha?, you see you all ain't muslims but repackaged islam because if you were olabs, you'll have 11 women, kill apostates and marry underaged girls,
Shia and sunni sects just plainly defines islam(a religion), just like Catholicism, Christianity is  not a religion and so do not have sects but different fellowships.

Underage as in what? Whats is age and what is overage, since you know what underage is? Did the age of a person in 2000 years ago equals in responsibility in the city of Jerusalem equals in responsibility, etc to that of the same age in today's Abuja or Lagos, or New York City? Absolutely not! You cant compare apples and oranges, you can only contrast them! They are not the same. But wait a minute: people as young as 13 do get married in America. It is in the books in some states, with the consent of the guardian(s).  Further, where it is not in the books, the young women at that age are getting rambocious, frisky. ASk Osisi, she will tell you about teenage pregnancies in Texas. Lol. They are Christians, and not muslims. And what you think Jesus did by himself, as you listed it, you will have to deny what Jesus said about himself to make that stick. Jesus said by myself I can do nothing! That tells you that Jesus did not do those things because he had the power, but was empowered. Every Messenger/prophet was empowered as a sign of their prophethood.

And when the christians claim to be able to heal, the Jesus saying of Physician heal thee self comes to mind. You are lying, man.

And you just completely dodged that hadith of the prophet commanding anyone who fell away from islam to be killed again bukhari vol.4 no 260 how would you justify this senseless command.

I do not have to answer every question raised. I answer one which is a sign that the rest can be answered, just as well. If i sit around answering everything on Nairaland, who will pay my bills? You? Please.

@Gen2genius:

And I still insist: CAN YOU CITE INSTANCES OF WHEN MOSES KILLED PEOPLE FOR GOD? Stop making claims without valid proofs, man!

From the time of the Burning Bush, we will agree that Moses became a Messenger/Prophet of his Creator. From that point on, any killing that was done under the leadership of Moses, by the then "righteous" Children of Israel, that we will have to count for Moses for his Lord. No? If the answer is yes, we shall begin by what he did with his staff; Drowned all military personnels of Egypt. Then, when he crossed the Red Sea, he ordered the bloodletting by killing every person who was not "Children of Israel", unless and I am not sure of these now, the people became their subordinates of slaves, the same condition they escaped from under Pharaoh! Or at least those people will have to worship the same Yahweh/Jehovah(that came later), that the children of Israel worship!

Give me an instance if you know, from your Bible where Moses passed or left a disbeliever alive on the way to Cannan. I will tell you who truly is the liar; the man who I will address my response to when I write to you! And Moses tarried with his people, for almost 40 yearsbefore he was "gathered" with his forefathers!

If your answer is no, then tell me who Moses was killing for and we start from the first born of the people of Egypt. Afterall, Moses could have refused Yahweh when he was ordered to do the passover rituals bringing about such humongous death. Afterall he had the first right of refusal. No? He was a human being and we all have free will! But he was a prophet who knew his Lord well. So was Muhammad. So was Jesus who was not supported with large numbers of followers. And from among the handful, we had his betrayer, his denier, and others! please let me concentrate on my Wednesday without your weak argument. Open your mind first and reflect on humanly behavior of humans. Moses could not kill disbelieving animals, or trees (like Jesus who carried out the killing of disbelieving fig tree), Moses had to kill disbelievers humans!

@Gen2genius: « #3 on: Yesterday at 11:20:58 PM »
]quote]ABUZOLA, are you drunk again? This is simple English. No one ever uses "we" for HIMSELF ( not even for "admiration and prestige" ). Now, the lies and absurdities of Islam are becoming clearer. Now we know allah is not one after all [quote][/quote]I personally say to Zainab, "O ni ki awa oko e ni?" Olabowale has used "we, us," for himself! That will be strange to gen2genius.

I think a woman who is "loya ya" in the house should tell him about the "e" and co used for husband, in yorubaland. lol.

I wonder if Allah does not have the right to use "We, Us" for Himself, if Olabowale a mere creation, mixture of egg and sperm and therewith germinated to be this human man, can use 'we; us," for himself before his wife, children? I hope you have heard an older person say "aa ron e nshe ni?" You need to learn yoruba to know about the we and us, etc as plural to elevate ones persona, while one still remain just a single human. Allah is Higher than all of that!

Gen2genius does forget that I live in the epicenter of the world. Before it is broadcasted we might have heard it, if not witnessed it. John and his father Zakariah were prophets who did not even raise their voice against anyone. If being not killing anyone ids the order of success, then these father and son were head and shoulders above Jesus! If killing is the order of the strength, Moses was by far greater than Jesus. Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of the house of israel. Thats a statement from hm. Plase argue yourself a Nigerian into the lost sheep of the house of Israel and let me read it.

Today about 5% of the house of Israel are Jewish by religion, even all of them 100% are jewish by ethnicity. So what you have is that the emaining 5% are atheists, Hindus, Buhhdists, etc and Muslims and Christians. Now tell me how Jesus could ever be said to b successful than Moses with the Jews?

And I do not know how I can better answer your question about Moses killing for God; did he Moses killed all those people who died under his leadership at the warrior hands of the Israelites killed for Satan or for God? Who ordered it, Moses or Aaron? That your answer; God authorizing Moses.

@Gen2genius: If a singe non-muslim was in Madina (city of Muhammad (AS)), used to be Taif, then the thought of Muhammad forced people to islam is therefore defeated. Think man. You are genius already.

Your Bukhari book 19 Number 4366 is based on those Jews who renaged on their treaty with the Muslim, fighting the Muslims on the side of the enemy. Do you think anybody will allow them to remain in Madina? If during the Nigerian Civil War, a Yoruba people living in Biafra were to have treaty with Igbo people and then turn around to fight against the Igbo on the side of the federal Troops, do you think the Igbo troop will allow them to remain in Igboland? You must be joking man. But then who am I to know your mindset, and what you would expect? But read the below and the bolded.

Chapter 20: EVACUATION OF THE JEWS FROM THE HIJAZ


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Book 019, Number 4363:
It has been narrated on the authority of Abu Huraira who said: We were (sitting) in the mosque when the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) came to us and said: (Let us) go to the Jews. We went out with him until we came to them. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) stood up and called out to them (saying): O ye assembly of Jews, accept Islam (and) you will be safe. They said: Abu'l-Qasim, you have communicated (God's Message to us). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I want this (i. e. you should admit that God's Message has been communicated to you), accept Islam and you would be safe. They said: Abu'l-Qisim, you have communicated (Allah's Message). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: I want this, - He said to them (the same words) the third time (and on getting the same reply) he added: You should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I wish that I should expel you from this land Those of you who have any property with them should sell it, otherwise they should know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle (and they may have to go away leaving everything behind).


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Book 019, Number 4364:
It has been narrated on the authority of Ibn Umar that the Jews of Banu Nadir and Banu Quraizi fought against the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) who expelled Banu Nadir, and allowed Quraiza to stay on, and granted favour to them until they too fought against him Then he killed their men, and distributed their women, children and properties among the Muslims, except that some of them had joined the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) who granted them security. They embraced Islam. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) turned out all the Jews of Medlina. Banu Qainuqa' (the tribe of 'Abdullah b. Salim) and the Jews of Banu Haritha and every other Jew who was in Medina.


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Book 019, Number 4365:
A similar hadith has been transmitted by a different chain of narrators, but the hadith narrated by Ibn Juraij is more detailed and complete.


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Book 019, Number 4366:
It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.


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Book 019, Number 4367:
This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Zubair with the same chain of transmitters.


The Jews themselves knew that Abul Kassim communicated the Message of Allah to them. They knew him to be messenger (AS), like Moses. Ah. You need to stop fronting.

among these three prophets, Jesus was the least successful, Moses was the more successful than Jesus in the eyes of the jews. Moses killed because his Lord commanded him, thats killing for God. Jesus of the Bible was weak, so now the christians are doing some large scale killings for him now that theuy are in power. He is your god, aint he? Muhammad is never in competition with Jesus and you know it, so stop fronting!

@gen2genius: « #36 on: Yesterday at 11:46:51 PM »  
Now, let's see how honest and objective you are. This is enough for the day. I have a life apart from Nairaland you know. Too many questions will not allow me to run my life. Is not like my answer benefits you. You have no interest in Islam. islam may not have interest in you by the way you are going.
1. Are you insinuating that Muhammed never forced people to accept Islam? Yes. My proof, there were non-muslims in Madina even on the day of his death!


2. Are you saying he never killed hundreds if not thousands of people who refused to accept Islam?Yes. My proof, Makka became Muslim, without killing a single soul, when they expecetd him to revenge the way the had treated him and his companions, the reason they made Hijras.


3. Are you claiming that the quran doesn't command muslims to kill non-muslims ("unbelievers"? Yes. My proof, not a non-muslim who did not stop you from the worship of Allah. Your statement is more of indiscriminate killings. Islam forbids that.


4. Are you really claiming that Jihad doesn't mean "holy war"? Yes. Struggle is Jihad. harb is war. You do not know a thing about islam. Read surah Almaidah, you will see war/harb, not struggle/Jihad.


5. How would you describe what Uthman dan Fodio did in nothern Nigeria, if not Jihad? I hated history and Nigerians kill me with their attaching Islam with Northern Nigerians alone. The Yorubas are Muslims. My family is islam, dominantly and primarily.


6. How does the quran say you should handle those who renounce Islam? Quran says those who left islam, and then came back to it, and then left it and came back to it, ! That should tell you something. Oh. There is no compulsion in religion. If there were, I would have persnally gone to Texas to snatch Osisi to become Muslima. I would have personally just turn northward to snatch davidylan as well. Lol


7. Since you insinuate that Muhammed didn't kill those who opposed Islam, can you explain why his Jewish wife poisoned him? Fellas; Osisi and Davidylan, help your fellow Kiriyo to understand Islam. He said his wife poisoned him. Lol.

And i thought above that gen2genius is a gentleman and a scholar (genius), until I saw what was written just above. While you should noetic, Jihad is not a bad word, at all. I am in Jihad on a daily basis, guarding myself against all major sins by the guidance from Allah. So I recite ihhidina siratal mustaquim. Siratal ladhinna an amta aleyhim. If you think Jihad is only about killing of people in "religious intensioned military prosecution; holy war", you are completely wrong. I fight myself often against flirting, etc!

And if killing of evil people by people of Faith in Allah is a sign that the Lord of Creation is weak or that it is an immoral act, then tell me what do you make of what Yahweh/Jehovah did through the hand of Moses? What about those killings? Is any of it for injustice and unjustifiable? Are all of it Justifiable and done to evil people? If your answer is that Moses was doing the work of his Lord, then Muhammad (AS) did exactly that!

Now ask yourself, what did the people of Jericho do to warrant such terrible killings, including their pretty women, old people, and animals and trees, etc? What about that of the Jebusites, etc? Then compare that or any of them to disobedience to the Commandments of Allah, so much so that they denied Him or worshipped others apart from Him or along with Him? What is worse, and why was Pharaoh killed/drowned other than he did not believe which was his reason for thinking that he was capable of unilateral oppression of the people?


The same Moses Yahweh/Jehovah was on one hand sending him as His Messenger and on the other hand was "TRYING" to kill him, according to what I have heard many of the Christians say on this forum! Where is the logical thing here about all of the sending of and trying to stop the same person to deliver the message!?

Finallay no one forced Babs 787 to become Muslim. No one forced me to remain muslim sice my mother was a Christian before she turned to islam, just in the last 3 years or so. Zainab was not forced by me to become muslim, nor all her associates who are now falling into islam like flies, right there in Nigeria. Please dont blame Noetic, he does not listen. He is a typical british influenced man. They are stubborn in that England; the lapping dog of america! I wonder how devil can inspire some organization that curses him on a daily basis? How does the Christian protects or curses the devil? The Muslim says audhu bilahi minal shaitani rajiim, meaning "I sek refuge/safety in Allah against the acursed Shaitan (accurse means deprived of any sign of Mercy, ever).

And Sunni is like the Catholic, while Shia is like the Protestants. Now you will see that your asking if Muhammad (AS) was a Shia or Sunni so that you can argue for the fact that Jesus is not a Christian loses any credibility for the simple fact that what Muhammad is, is Muslim, while Jesus is not a Christian. All the forms of Sunni protocols were practiced by Muhammad, while the ahdan of shia may be different because they mention Ali Abitalib, and that is a no no!

Tell me about Jesus being a Christian again. Muhammad participated in building masajid, made Salah, fasted, gave sadaqah, Zakah, Hajj, Umrah! What did Jesus do that you do today. Everyone you mention, I will mention 2 he did not do!
@Gen2genius: many people are accepting it, today. Babs787 is agood example! Stop all of that unsure statements.

@Sleek29: « #27 on: Today at 03:50:28 PM »

@olabowale, was Mohammed, Sunni or Shia, how can Jesus be Christ- like(Christian), when He Himself is the Christ. how can the teacher be the student, how can a leader be a follower. just dumb, rili dumb, and you live in the US, How did they give you visa sef?

Atleast you ask good question. Unlike the nonsensical Noetic2 with no ethics whatsoever. (play on words), lol.

Muhammad is Sunni based on the Fiqh of "Sunnah!" Muhammad (AS) or the 3 generations, the first is the companions, none of them is "Shia." Allah says, Laa Shia. Shia means break, separate, cut, etc. Like in engineering the shear force, or shear diagram.

I will not respond to noetic, anymore. He answers no question, but list a ton of his own, always. lol.

And the morality improvement that Islam will at least bring to a non-muslim is that of cleanliness after using the bathroom! That is so elememntary, but the non-muslims miss it by a mile.

@$Osisi: « #91 on: Today at 02:22:55 PM »  

You are talking rubbish
How many of your affluent or well placed Muslims have wives dressed like that?
Please post a picture of just one Muslim we all know with his wife exactly like one of those women.Many of them marry southern women,who look nothing like those creatures in those pics.
The don't even look the way of those creatures when it comes to marriage.
Olabowole is a live example on this forum
The ones that marry fellow northerners do not subject them to such bondage.Check out Yaraduas daughters.
It's the poor and lowly that are wrapped up like mummies.
Hypocrites.

is as if Osisi is knowledgeable about how Zainab is dressed? Quran does not advocate for a muslim woman to be naked. As long as she is covered and not in body forming clothing, outside the house and the head covering should completely cover the hair as well as the neck, without exposing the "charms" of a woman. The Indian subcontinent women, have a different clothing/wears that are different from that of the usual up and down of the west africans. Each though is to cover the whoe body, fully and conseal what should not be exposed or the forms to be shown.  Thats what is commanded. And Zainab does not do without putting on kimar, yet she is still a young muslima. Osisi, wear one for Oga and tell me your experience without the private details. Just gloss over it, like the man's eyes light up like "Christmas tree" and became jolly like "father Christmas!"

The highlighted part above speaks volumes about the religion of the moon god of arabia,do you really bame any woman who has Children to feed,who is forced by descrimination to dress like ojuju Calabar.

Moon god? Write moon in Igbo, then write godin igbo. Combine the two and make up an identity of moon god and see how ridiculous your assertion is. Then if you are still of the opinion that Allah is moon god, then write moon in arabic. Right god in Arabic, then combine the two and see what you get.

« #92 on: Today at 02:30:28 PM »  
1. There's a difference between a woman choosing to wear a head scarf and being forced into a straight jacket
Do you know that?

2. If seeing a womans arms and neck means nudity and you can't control yourself,you need to be castrated rather than make women around you look subhuman so that you can curb your uncontrollable sexual urge.Std's are most rampant in your Muslim northern Nigeria amongst boys and  girls as young as 5 years of age,so we know who the object of your nudity is.

3.The Biblical times had a particular mode of dressing,it is not a condition for holiness.Mary also rode a donkey but I drive a mercedes benz (by faith).
when was the last time you oiled your camel ?

Whats by faith? You drive a real Mercedes Benz, Alhamdulillah, but driving one 'by faith' i s the antithesis of trueth, because do not know if you do or you dont. And what I gather from you, you are not a meek woman, or maybe you are trying modesty for size for the very first time?  Arms and those other parts are not supposed to show. They are also parts of the collective "Charms" of a woman. And if Mary were to be alive today, will she be wearing a butt riser pant, where half ogf the crack is showing with the g-string so out there, and the belly being out there, too? Will she pierce the belly button, and tongue piercing and nose rings? The answer is no. There is a great divide between decency and uncouthness. Tatoo is not one of the things of decency. and neither is the woman or man wearing clothing that actually give the geography of the the who anchillada.

@$Osisi: About the alhajis who sleep with little boys, etc, a friend in Dallas was telling less than 2 weeks ago that they do it because of some cultist reason. This guy in Texas is an Igbo man, so he has no reason to lie. He is a Christian, too. His stay in the North was during his engineering days with NNPC! I will speak with him, again, today. Or you will pass me your telephone so that I can give it to him, for you to confirm it, yourself? Lol.

Osisi will never do that. As much as she is crazy about me, even though she is married with children she stayed away from me. Yet she knows she is haram for me, and definitely am haram for her. But is this the way to make real friends, sorry an acquittance, since your Bible says not to unyoke with "disbeliever" and my Quran is very specific about taking you as a bossom buddy?

@Noetic: « #20 on: Today at 12:27:20 PM »

nairaland prominent muslims are ALL trolls. . . .thats my opinion. . . .thats a FACT. . . . .ur opinion or acceptance of this fact makes little or no difference.

My opinion which is correct; all non muslims are disbelievers. The Christians worship gods and not God! These are facts.

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The topic is killing in islam. No? And from the Quran I draw out a scenerio of the first killing between disbelief and upon belief, while islam was initially established on Adam (AS) you said no, it has nothing to do with it! Are you for real or you are just jiving?

u keep shooting aimlessly.

My speaking the truth becomes aimless shot. When I lie that 3 gods are 1, then I will telling the truth, according to noetic! Interesting man that dude is.


[Quote]a. did allah write the law of retribution? why cant these people take their demands to allah? why kill someone else?[/quote]Allah allows people to demand the life of an evil man who took life in an unjust way. Thats retribution. Allah permits it, hence He wrote it. And this law is for mankind and mankind behaves humanly.

b. by taking the law into their own hands, does that not seem to suggest that allah is a powerless idol?

No. It does not remotely suggest that Allah is powerless, or that He is an idol! Your thinking is so warped that you need to get your head out of your split/crack. Think for yourself for a change, man. Funny that you will not know that people have the right to ask for revenge. Heck america is bent on revenge, doesnt she? Is Yahweh/Jehovah or the three parts of your god individually and collectively powerless? Yes?

c. who decides when equilibrum is maintained? is equilibrum maintained only when non-muslims are killed?

Muslims can be killed. Heck Saddam was killed. And just the other day, Muhammad Yusuf of Boko Haram was killed. Think, buddy. Think hard man. Kids ask the darndiest questions.

The big deal of my questions in this regard is that I simply CANNOT understand why anyone would kill anyone. why would muslims leave the mosque on friday and then embark on a killing spree? why do they have to kill at all? why is LOVE not an option? why cant u show love and temper justice with mercy?
It is even a BIGGER DEAL that both allah and mohammed endorsed this.

Again I do not know why people do what they do. Read the Quran, again and see that what you have those Muslims that you complain about do inone of them is in the Quran or ahadith! So your big deal and your bigger deal are for your own mind and not mine.


[Quote]You are right. . .as a matter of FACT I have NEVER come across this before. . . for a muslim to show mercy. can u show me where it is in ur koran? and also tell me why muslims never practise it?
why does allah have to give three options? why does allah not just tell muslims to forgive and forget it all? is it because allah is a blood-thirsty person? why is islam riddled in violence?[/quote]This guy says person, following the tradition of the trinity of where God is three persons! Allah the Almighty Creator is not a person. Even His Angels are not persons. The genies are not persons. Only human beings are persons. Monkeys are not persons either! You get my drift? Is there an independent 4th option which will not fall under the 3 that islam gave already? Go read the Quran, where the issue of forgiveness is placed. It is immediately after talking about death, if the killer is not in the vicinity of the Holy Mosque; haram in Makka! Google it, please because I cant spoon feed you, all the time. Not even now that I am kinda busy.

@Noetic:

This is false. Have u ever heard that "Those who kill by the swod shall die by the sword"
can u give ONE example in modern history where an islamic killing has helped curbed evil? where there was no retaliation? where there was no ill feeling on the part of the respondent?

As to the killing by the sword, did Moses or David or Solomon died by the sword? I think not, so your statement is false. I gave you the example of Saddam Hussaine, you had a problem with it. I see that you lack foresight. Am not insulting you, but just stating the facts. If Saddam were to be alive today, those who loved him may actually escalates their effort by killing more people on a daily basis towards the effort of trying to free him from the clutches of the West and the Shia. That is a killing for the good of the society, because it at least saved some lives. How many we do not know!

why is this "evil" not being curbed in the UK and US? does that imply that islamic killings are only justifiable in islamic environments?

Before Islam of Muhammad, and during the almost Christianity alone in UK and US, were there no killings, and all the other evils? You ask childlike questions sometimes as if you are in a daze! You see I didnt say childish. And when we look at it, the crimes of amercan muslims, is like 1% compared to what american Christians commit, on a daily basis.

This is a LIE.
Saddam Hussein was sentenced to death in a duly certified court of law. He was NEVER tried under islamic or sharia law. . . and the people of iraq never had a say in the fate of saddam hussein.

So, Give us an example of how one can kill "for the good of the society"? how has a person been killed for societal good in an islamic environment? what were the benefits of killing such when weighed against the demerits?

You must have been asleep at wheel of reality. If an evil person is not put in check by a better person, his evil will increase and many may copy him and think it to be normal. The duly certified court of iraq is Islamic and not Christianity. Proof: Ambassador Brenner, the american adminstrator at the time of revealing the new flag of Iraq was shocked along with the rest of the world when Laa ilaha ilallah remained thinking that it will never survive the pressure from the West! If Saddam was killed for the west, know that the Shia Iraqis and iher elites have worshipped the west. The last I saw of the case, at the trial was that they invoked Allah, right there from the pages of the Quran. Some younger friends who speak arabic were sent from the UN to help at least in the reporting of the Constitution to the UN. One of them is Muhibudeen, a yoruba boy I know very well. You sir, Noetic is the liar. No sorry the speaker of lies.

the question remains. . .why is peace making not an option to a "believer"? why the many killings?

Do you make peace with a person when you are angry? Human nature dictates that we are not all of the same temperament. Some get upset quicker and some forgie a lot slower. America is still running against Taliban and Al Qaidah. America has not forgiven Manuel Noriega. And if America has her way, she will imprison Daniel Ortega for life! And this is a first cass Christian society. Oh, and we call England the lap dog of America. If america as a nation of Christianity for the most part, and she will not forgive a disbeliever like Osama or a believer like Manuel Noriega, even though America subscribes to "Turn the other Cheek, and the summarily forgive your enemies, pray for them and others in the Bible", why would you expect a muslim whose book allows for full revenge or take blood monney as compensation or forgive without either of the first two to do any better? You noetic will not forgive a fellow who comes to your house in the middle of the night, wanting to get your properties, by force with a knife against your jugular and you have a gun to preserve your life. Or will you allow him to cut you up and quitely leave with your properties, if not taking your wife along?

@Purestboy: « #17 on: Today at 06:09:09 AM »  

I foresee Mr Olabs a soul winner for Jesus Christ soonest and don't wait till you're stricken like Saul(Paul) before you convert

My case and that of Jesus is the same. He a slave with a message. I am just a slave without a message, but folow the messenger of my time, Muhammad (AS). And unless you can proof that Jesus was a Christian, then am in the same religion as he was, winning souls by Allah for the Lord of Jesus. While Shaitan was able to cajole Saul(Paul), e missed the mark always in regards to be. Allah teaches me through His Quran and the explanation of His Propet (AS) by ahadith how to fight against succumbing to the gimmicks of Shaitan and Shayatins. Remember that I seek refuge in Allah against the accursed Shaitan and his followers, always.  


@webdezzi (m): « #18 on: Today at 10:30:52 AM »  

Killing helps curb evil? so what will help curb killings

Justifiable killing of an evil soul does heal the society at large. In 1970, after the civil war, the rash of thievery began to creap up against nigerians. Some firing squads took place of those who used weaponry in their process of robbery. Babatunde Folorunsho, Iyasimo, were the first. Just imagine if no squad took place, a larger portion would have gone into it, seeing that nothing but a jail term is the worst to happen. Today, if the honest people of nigeria can enact their constitution and kill those gangs of armed robbers after due judicial processs, while the police and the military, etc, discharge their duties as expected, the rash waves of robbing people, raping people, etc will die down within a year. Instead, you have a lawless society, governed by incompetency and inept. What will curb killing; good governance, good citizenry, shame and fear of doing evil and God consciousness. People will die because thats the natural order of things, but not dying deliberately by the hands and intended actions of evil people. America as wild as it is, evil doers know that the hand of the government will stretch to reach them and grab them offf from the streets, stopping them and those would be copy cats from going about it with impunity!

so why did Umayr go into a woman's home under the cover of night.  He comes upon the women, sleeping in her bed with her child, and murders her by plunging a sword through her body.

As big and almost fearless as Umar is, would he go to a woman's home only at nigh to kill her? He could have killed her even during the daytime. You need to read about Umar before his Islam, and move forward from tthere. That will help you to know that if he had gone only at night, there was a good reason for it. I will like to read about the incidence, so post your source please!

Afterwards, Muhammad tells the man that he has "helped God and his apostle".  If Allah were really threatened by this woman or feels this woman is evil, I think He could have killed her Himself, don't you?

Allah says what good a person does He allows it. If a believer believes so much, Allah will be the hand that he does  goods with. So when Umar killed the woman, according to you, Allah killed er by the hands of Umar, under the cover of the night. That should clear up things in your mind. No?

You must accept the fact that God alone gives life, and he alone should take it, not you, because he also gave you that life you have
Life is a special gift from God not Mohammed's

And when Davd killed Goliat, who killed Goliat, David or God? Why would the case of any evil person be different when it comes to Islamic good deeds of taking him out of the society, for the good of all? Allah's messenger (AS) said Umar did good for the sake of Allah and His Messenger (AS). Did the messenger (AS) not say that? All these beeding liberals are fakes. Let a man jump into your bed and tell you to comot that he wants to deal with your wife for about 30 minutes, and see what your kindness will become? If you did not react, see what your woman will do with a gun on the brain of this intruder!

@$Osisi: Re: « #78 on: Today at 01:29:39 AM »

oya let your women keep wearing their bedsheets and comforters.

I wear bedsheet and comforter sometimes myself. If I have to type a memo, in the midle of the night, and dont want to catch a cold. Or I wanna make night prayer, I wear it like the Ghanaians or the Urhobos.

are you telling me those women don't look funny to you?
alhaji speak the truth now?
You've been married 3 times abi
did you marry any woman you saw wearing a sac like that?
Obviously not
you wouldn't even look their way and here you are deceiving others into thinking that that's cool
how many penguins without visible arms have you dated in your entire life
allah is watching

Suddenly we became a catholic reverend father, wanting me to confess, in the confession booth! A woman knows what she is hiding and how she wants to hide it. I pray that any woman for me is not trying to be like a nudist walking down thw street. She will be if the little black dress is form fitting.

i hope this girl is not like the hairless cat meow. at least with some feathers like ostrich, itsa beginning, until she becomes muslim, then a fafion plat penguin.

Its better than hairless poodoos, no? When a woman is naked like whats going on in this heat wake she is like a already defeathered fowls. lol. Is that sexy?

Oh, pastor. Itu baba. Ibaa. lol.

The above from Osisi is the handiwork of brany of cognac or is it Louis 14, 15 or 16? The shots are very expensive. Dont use the house money on getting relaaaaaaaaaaxed?

Davidylan is my son. Since I do not share any blood with him, I have lied. Allah stopped that kind of self deceit by allowing a now disvirgined, older Zainab, rather that a younger still a virgin person to be married by Muhammad (as). Davidylan, if you divorce your wife, if she is pretty, and not Orobo or too much lepaa and I find her willing to become a muslim, I will marry her, if am still less than 4, just to let you know that my saying that you are my son is a big fat lie!

The truth stand firm, Kelechi! (lol).

f. under what conditions would u (olabowale) kill for allah?

All the conditions in the Quran. And watever the prophet (AS) says in his authentic ahadith. I do not follow anyone, and I am a slave of Allah and a keen follower of the Messenger (AS), gentle like Abu Bakr, Tough like Umar Khattab, wise like Uthman Affan and a warrior like Ali Abitalib (RA to all of them). Everything has its place. I will kill for Allah, if I come upon an evildoer who was trying to kill me, because I was stopping him from the evil he was doing on an old lady or man, or a one that he has a comparible advantage over. If I struggle with him and he wished to kill me,and I am able to take his gun away from him and he is still trying to come after me with a knife, I will pull the trigger!

Thats the truth. You may remain a yellow belly and let them kill you and kill those defenseless potential victims, I will act according to the dictate of my Lord which actually agrees with my conscience. You see an evil person will be eliminated, restoring calmness to all.

@baba giddy: « #13 on: Today at 10:39:32 PM »  

olabowaleeeeeee, jesus is calling you! come out of islam!!

Jesus was not a christian and only a jew in an ethnic generic sense. Why should I leave the religion that Jesus (AS) was sent upon, and start following Paul who was Saul? (grinning; a slight smiley expression)


@noetic2: « #14 on: Today at 11:05:33 PM »  

It was to avoid misconceptions that I invited only u (as a muslim) to this thread. I am free to express my opinion on the others. . . . If I call them trolls. . . so be it. Its my opinion.

Of couse, it is your opinion, regardless of the fact that it has no truth. Did you see my factual statement, and not opinion when where I said the vultures will come out? See that I was not wrong? The same way Shaitan and his shayatini come out from every direction, to stand against truth.


[Quote]This has little or no business with the thread.[/quote]The topic is killing in islam. No? And from the Quran I draw out a scenerio of the first killing between disbelief and upon belief, while islam was initially established on Adam (AS) you said no, it has nothing to do with it! Are you for real or you are just jiving?


[Quote]I have questions that need clarifications. . . .
a. why should a "believer" kill in the first place?[/quote]Why should it be? Have you heard about the law of retribution? Have you heard that people do demand their due rights? Justice is the ability to practice what is just, considering that action may need an equal reaction to mentain an atmosphere of equilibum. Just is not always blind, you know, it must and should always be just. A killer could be killed if he killed unjustly and the victim's family or the society demands it or it will help to mentain and actas cautionary measure against advancing evil acts.

b. why is forgiveness not an option to a believer? why must a "believer" take revenge? why is revenge not left to allah?[/quote[ Quran from Allah expressed three ways to deal with asituation where a life is lost t a killer, if it is not a just killing: The killer could be killed after a thorough investigation hoping to find a way that he could be found not guilty. The other option is that even though he is already found guilty, the family of the deceased can be paid what is known as "blood money" if they so choose, which may compensate for the income or gain that is lost as a result of the dead not bringing in the "food money anymore." The last option, which is the nobliest is that that the family of the deceased leaves the killer alone, without asking for his life or asking for blood money. They give him wholesale amnesty for the sake of Allah. I see that you never have came acrossed this before? Its in the Quran, different from the Jewish eye for an eye, or the Christians only by the lips and never will be carried out impossible turn the other cheek.

c. how justifiable is killing in islam?

It helps to curb evil, serves as revenge/rather as avenge when innocent people are murdered and the family wants the fitting punishment. It also can be carried out by the state when a spreader of evil is creating chaotic condition and the insanity is getting to the people. You may need to remove the cancer from the society!

d. tell us how one can kill "for the good of the society" like u stated above?

For example the Iraqi people felt that it will be better for Saddam Hussaine be killed. Thats part of their fr the good of the society. Afterall, he is no more to be the "symbol" of what the government calls the Opposition. At least they think it lessened the violence that could still rage on, considering he was a former head of state, a leader and beloved by a large pull of people, that the current leadership of the Sunni! I used him, so that I can best express what it means "for the good of the society."

e. why is peace making not an option to a "believer"? why the many killings?

What do you mean? You want the muslims to behave like the Christians? The Christian do say that they do forgive; but man, Crusaders killed all the way from Europe to Jerusalem. The Christianssay they forgive, but in their inquisition, they killed everyone or were forced to convert. I remember a woman i do business with in Spain. her last name is Madina, so I say salaama to her. She looked at me as if I was speaking Yoruba language. She is russian, except that she told me her husband's family were muslims before inquisition and they had to convert to christianity or be kiled! I say poor iman they had; disbeliefing is worse than death. Where were you hat you have not heard about the two world wars, and all the evils pepetrated by Christans countries, including the atrocity of the Christian missionaries, with Bible in one hand and death all the way in the other? Please dont humor me? Show me christianity and i will tell you that it brought nothing less than eah, lies, cheat, isobedience to God and yes indeed death and oppression on mankind.

@Davidylan: « #25 on: Today at 07:17:51 PM »

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Quote from: bawomolo on Today at 06:37:20 PM
noetic - do you think jews worship God?


i see bawomolo has asked a "question" amply answered in the bible, his equally clueless friends clap him on the back because they dont know any better and now he's feeling like he's cracked the big bang code?

Do the jews worship God - Oh yes they do . . . except they missed the fact that God had moved beyond the sacrifice of rams and bulls to one sacrifice once for all for sin.

lol. God moving beyond. This is an interesting read. Its like graduating from Elementary school, to middle school. You move beyond. Just like that. This is far out.

@Webdezzi: I will not be able to eplain why a person kills apart from what Allah ordained and His Messenger (AS) carried out.

Or can you explain why Kuskus, a simple grain dish poisons me all the time? Yet I can eat harder meals, from grains.

Davidylan: I ignored Noetic deliberately because he does not know the difference between Muslims and trolls or in your case dross! Further, am sometimes very busy, and i do not have time for the Christian vultures to come from the front, the back, the left and the right of me, like Allah says of what Shaitan promised that he will do to the children of Adam (AS) in his effort to confuse them as he waylay them from the Straight path, making roadblocks that will make the greater majority not to enter Paradise, by their not accepting Islam of their life time! Read this in Surah Araf, after Shaitan says arrogantly that he was better than Adam, who was created from Dirt, Soil, Mud, etc (earth) and he shaitan from smokeless fire.

However if i were to answer Noetic, I will tell him that the first killer on earth was cain, a disbeliever, who was induced to doing so by Shaitan (his first earthly act to make sure that at least 50% do not enter Islam), to kill Abel, his own blood brother, a believer who submitted fully to his Creator.

This is in the Quran, and I am almost certain you will find it in Surah Baqarah. You see that the first killer killed with injustice. He will end up in hellfire. The first martyr was a muslim and he will enter Paradise.

However if a believer should kill a person, it should be for justice, just revenge and for the good of the society at large. And the first aggressor between the muslims and disbelievers, during the time of Muhammad (AS) was the disbelievers of makka, who oppressed, tortured and indeed killed men and women of the new and young Muslim faith, which was on its way to be completed in a process that started with the first human, Adam (AS) and passed through all the prophets without a single time that the core message of that process changed (Laa ilaha ilallah)!

i deliberately used compare and not contrast since the muslims, shia or sunni or others have the same Quran in the same Arabic; Uthmani, Hafs, Warsh, etc.


Thats different from Douwy for catholics, and KJV for mainstream porotestants, and Mormon for Latter days saints.

i forgot i rofl in aba (lol).

David, I will not name my sons any Oyinbo name. It will be in igbo language, Yoruba language for sure and Islamic name most certainly.