₦airaland Forum

My problem with the death of this man, or anyone at all, is when you capture your enemy, why strip him naked and exposed what he normally covers,? Whats the rationale behind such human degration? Everyone will surely die, this I have no problem with. How did Umar Yar'Adua and his military reconcile human dignity with parading a man naked and then shot him dead, with the attitude of overkilling?

@dexmond; « #11 on: Yesterday at 11:06:23 PM »

If the bible is not God's word, how will you explain the numerous prophecies whereas in the quran you just find may be two guess works?

Dxmond, God did not reveal the Bible. You know it and I know it. If you said God revealed the OT containg what were given to Musa and Daud (AS) and what was given to Isa bin Mariam (AS), you will not find any argument from me about these. Except I may point to the fact that some parts of these revealed books have been compromised. For example, you cant tell me that the acts, epistles and revelations parts of the New Testaments were revealed to Isa bin Mariam. Or will you argue so? That will be unacceptable because it is evident that Jesus was not on earth anymore when the "acts" began to take shape.

And its not my place guess or explan the many or numerous propesies in the Bible. You asked if the Whole of the Bible is God's words, without any human words, or utterances of angels without permission from God. That will be no, since we see the words of Paul, for examples in the epistles, saying clearly when it was his opinion and clearly was not even ancoring it on Jesus, whom he claimed was talking to him from heavens. Unfortunately, what he said that Jesus is now saying to him, is quite different fromwhat Jesus said and stood upon on eearth! This sudden change is unexplainable.

And as to the Quranic prophesies, I have given you 8 or more where you asked me to give you only 5. And I did not even add prophesy that no prophets shall come from any family except that of Ibrahim, after his prayer to Allah for it. David, search Surah Imran for this.

Surah Fath was for the opening of Makka. Surah Yunus was for the preservation of the body of Pharaoh. Surah Abi Lahab is almost at the end of the Quran is the one stating his uncle will not become muslim, and will die a disbeliever. Surah Rum is a bout the Christians Rome defeating the Persian Zoroast!

@$Osisi: « #15 on: Yesterday at 02:01:04 AM »

You forget that many of these Muslim men have multiple wives
He'll just abandon the nagging woman and face the other wives and leave her and her kids .
Isn't that what polygamists do?

No. Thats what Polygamists do. You know better than that. Relationship like marriage affects the heart, emotion. You never have forgotten you very first boyfriend, remember the Ibadan boy? Ah. Pay attention. No one with good jealousy jsut go "cold Turkey" as marriage is turning on and turning off at will, like the electric switch. A nagging woman may be good for an introvertive or extrovertive man, depending on where his emotion is. $Osisi, you must be a very jealous woman. It will be hard for you to share the things you love. Yet in Islam, Muhammad (AS) said no one truly believes until he or she loves for the brother or sister what they love for themselves.

Asking the woman to report him to all and sundry won't work.
He is entitled to 4 wives and one nagging woman won't mean a thing to him.
She should get herself a job and take care of her children before she ends up with babiallah plates

You are not a man so you do not know the nature of man. A marriage strives even when the wife is not the only spouse in the life of the man. Afterall, the relationship is legal, and its not like the fornication or adultery relationship that even those who do it, cant turn of their emotion away from their partners in this evil enterprise, without the usual hurt of the heart. And not all marriages of Islam ends with the babiAllah plates as you have quipped. My father's marriages none ended up with babiaAllah. And a Christian with one spouse may produce BabiaAllah or babiJesu (lol) children.

You are a trip, $Osisi. You only see Islam as Nigerian religion for the northerners! Until just the other day, no Christianity in my father's bloodline, after they left idolatory many grandparents ago. Islam is entering Igbo land now. Even in your own bloodline. Are you now saying that we will see BabiaAllah in there? Hardly. Islam encourages good work ethics. Should there be a hard worker than a muslim? Hardly, except some choose to abandone this very commandment. Read it in islam.


By the way, even though I am remarried, my exwife is never far from my mind. After 20 yars away from her, I still think about her, afterall she is the mother of my adult children.

@Dexmond, you should have gogogled everyone of them.
the Nightly Journey of isra wa miraj. First few verses of Surah Isra and the first 20 of Surah Najm.
Another is telling his uncle Abilahab that he will never become Muslim by surah "Taba ti a dah". Surah Taba tia dah.
Yet another is the impending victory of Rome over Persia, after such being badly defeated. Surah Rum; verses 1-5.
Another one is the preservation of the body of Fir'awn as a sign for future generations. Chapter 10 of Quran, verses 91 and 92.
Another is the splitting of the moon, in Surah Qamar.
Another one is the victory over disbelievung Makka. Surah Fath chapter48, verses 27 and 28.
Another is that the Quran will be protected and will never be corrupted. Surah Hijr 9.
Another is that there will never be a new revelation, or a new Real Messenger or Prophet from God after Muhammad, Surah Ahzab.
no another religion to be revealed to mankindn and none will be accepted apart from Islam. Surah Imran; 85. Surah Al Maidah; verse 3.and also Rum, verse 30.
You want more read the Quran.

But dexmond is missing the point. While he has studied the "Quran and Hadith" , if he can be believed, he lacks the esential ingredient; Iman. He has none! His type of knowledge is useless and benefits him none. We call people like him "orientalists" Mutamushrikuun. You have them all over the world. I know couple of them, Christians and Jews, etc. from Arab and none arab societies. John Esposito is a very good example.

You have to acquire Iman, man.

profession? Okay, so you believe that those inter-dimensional beings still have power over you, even as you believe that Jesus blood washes everything? How could that have been missed by that blood potection?

In islam, there is what we call wadi wadi, a sexual liquid discharge that occurs naturally. Let me say this, you may not know it, just go wear a black color under pant and look at the spots on them, at the end of the day!

My man, if when you pee, you did not wait long enough for every drop to come out, then press to squeeze whatever may be lingering, and then rinse the top to be sure of visual cleanliness you have actually been practicing peeing your pant without knowing it.

Same situation with wadi wadi. This has nothing to do with some spiritual thing sleping with you. Islam covers a believer from those thinds.

@dexmond: « #2 on: Today at 07:01:23 PM »

@ Olabowale. I thought allah never performed a miracle by him because his mission was to be warn and guide! Do you know this scripture? S. 13:7: The unbelievers say, 'Why has a sign (ayatun) not been sent down upon him from his Lord?' Thou art ONLY a warner, and a guide to every people. Or could muslims have fabricated the story in other to satisfy the question of the jews who said he should produce a miracle like the other prophets before him to show he was from God ?

Good question, dexmond. And the disbeliver, Fir'awn did not believe the signs of God, in the performances done through Musa. And the disbeliever Jews did not even believe the perormances done by Allah through Isa bin Mariam. When jesus was asked by his disciles fSigns, he gave them a sign of 3 days and 3 nights like that of the exact signs of Jonah in the belly of the Whale!

Now the miracles of Muhammad from Allah: the Nightly Journey of isra wa miraj. Another is telling his uncle Abilahab that he will never become Muslim by surah "Taba ti a dah". Yet another is the impending victory of Rome over Persia, after such being badly defeated. Another one is the preservation of the body of Fir'awn as a sign for future generations. Another is the splitting of the moon, in Surah Qamar. Another one is the victory over disbelievung Makka. Another is that the Quran will be protected and will never be corrupted. Another is that there will never be a new revelation, or a new Real Messenger or Prophet from God after Muhammad, another religion to be revealed to mankind. You want more read the Quran.

@Dexmond: « #6 on: Today at 06:34:02 PM »

Under each verse, there are question for you to answer. You can read the quran online at quranexplorer.com
Suratu Maryam 19:12. God says, "`Oh Yahya! (John the Baptist) take hold of the Book with might': and We gave him wisdom as a youth."
Question: Will allah ask Yahya to take hold of a corrupt book?

In surah Ala, the last verse says ; suhufi Ibrahima was Musa. This means that the patches or pamphlet given to Musa contains the essence of Torah; Allah is One and there is no Lord God Creator but He. Worship and obey His commands, rules. This is before the book of Isa bin Mariam , many decades after. Read how Jesus said that the doctors of the Jewish Laws, The Saduccees and the Pharisees attitudes with the essence of the Torah, the full obedience of it or just the letters of the law.

Ali `Imran 3:48. "And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel."
Question: Will God teach a corrupt Torah and gospel?

This is what Allah said about Isa bin Mariam. It simply means that what is pure of the "Torah" minus what the hands of the scribes have added, the impurity. Then revealing the Injil to him, in additional. The Injil must be pure at the time of revelation?

Al-Tahrim 66:12
And Mary the daughter of `Imran, who guarded her chastity; and We breathed into her (body) of Our spirit; and she testified to the truth of the words of her Lord and of His Revelations, and was one of the devout (Servants)."
Question: Will Mary testify of a corrupted revelations?

Testification did not say that it is the whole "Torah" but what was revealed to "Musa", the pure portion, without what the Scribes put in it; Mishnash, etc. I think that we need to read it as it stated, testify to the the truth of what came ofrom her Lord. Evidently, there was this Lord in existence, before her son.

Ali `Imran) 3:49-50. Jesus says, "I have come to you, attesting to (the truth of) what is between my hands of the Torah, and to make lawful to you a part of that which is forbidden to you."
Question: Will Jesus attest to a fake Book?

Isa bMariam (AS) saidwhat is the "truth" of what is between my hands of the Torah. This means any untruth that is called part of Torah, he was not affirming it.

Al-Saff 61:6
"And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: `Oh Children of Israel! I am the apostle of God to you, confirming that which IS between my hands from the Torah, '"
Question: Was a fake book that Jesus confirmed?

If you do not accept Isa bin Mariam as a Prophet as statedin this very verse, you can see how you will not know that what Jsus was affirming is pure "Torah" not just Torah which has corruptions in it. Afterall, the essence of God's existence is His Lordship, and that all others are His creations. So what you have is a One Lord God Creator Who is Allah and the others are the creations. Do you believe in this?

Al-Ma'ida 5:49
"And in their footsteps (of Moses and the Jews) We sent Jesus the son of Mary, attesting to (the truth of) the Torah which was between his hands; and We gave him the Gospel - therein is guidance and light and attesting to (the truth of) the Torah which was between his hands: a guidance and an admonition to the righteous."
Question: Can there be guidance and light in a corrupted book?

For this answer, you must have what is pure in Torah be exactly whats pure in Injil. For example we have in Torah and injil a verse demostrating this: Hear, oh Israel; your Lord and my lord is One God. Thats your answer. But when God in Torah iwas One and then in injil after Jesus is now 3, know that there is discrepancy and it can't be 100% Pure.

Al-Ma'ida 5:113.
"Then will God say, `O Jesus son of Mary! Recount my favor to you and to your mother when I strengthened you with the Holy Spirit, so that you spoke to the people in childhood and in maturity. Behold! I taught you the Book and Wisdom, the Torah and the Gospel,
Question: Do you believe that God will teach Jesus a fake Book?

Between purity and the fakery mixtre, God evidently taught His Messenger only the Purity.

The bible says that the only way to heaven is repentance from sin and faith in Jesus Christ, otherwise you are on your way to hell!
God forbids! Acts of the apostle 12:4

The bible was not revealed by Allah. And definitely the acts of the Apostles and the Epistles and Revelations were not revealed by Allah.

@dexmond: If wet dream is for the unpure of hearts, what shall we take sexual intercourse for? Considering what sleep is to death which is comparable to what wet dream is to sexual intercourse, we may have to realise that wet dream is part of being human. Even a married couple may have wet dream even sleeping beside the spouse.

Quran 3;54 says "Wa makaru wa makara llahu, Allahu kairun makiriin. This means "and the plotted/deceived or intended to deceive. and Allah plotted/deceived or intended to deceive. Allah is the best/perfect of the two plotters/deceiving or intended deceiveers.

This statement, for those who have wisdom will see that the Knower of the hidden and what is unknown to man is the Creator, Allah. When the humans as a group plotted without regards to the final consequences and blotting Allah their Creator from their minds and they embank on doing evil, Allah wishes to make their evil effort comes to zero.So their Lord began to plot and match them in every way, and as a result, the plotting of Allah overcomes theirs, rendering their effort to nothing!

Now if that is too impossible, transfer this same condition to the plot of the Tyrannic King of Egypt, Fir'awn, against Musa and his brother harun and the then symbol of belief in one God, the Children of Israel! "and Fir'awn pltted and Allah plotted. And Allah is the best of the pltters, between the two." Afterall, Allah/Eloi perished the powerful military might of Fir'awn. Fir'awn drowned in the sea along with his army, while the "physically" inferior, Israelites bcame victorious!


Did the plot not fit the end game, here? This is the condition of evil doers. And any human can be a plotter(s) against the plan of Allah. Allah will plan by plotting to render the effort of the evil doer(s )worthless.

@Jil: In the Quran, you will never find that Allah says He reveled the Bible. However, Allah says that He revealed the Torah to Messenger/Prophet Musa (AS), Sabur to prophet Daus (AS), and Injil to Messenger/Prophet Isa bin Mariam (AS). These three were revealed to Allah's appointed human emissaries and at the time of revelation of Toral and up to the time that Musa was alive to be the custodian of what was given to him, he Musa did not allow discrepancies to enter into it.

When Musa left the earth, what entered into it through the selfish desire of the authorities at that time, will have to be the corrupted part. Something corrupt, by watering down as in removal or addition, etc, whatever the case may be can no longer be classified as 100% pure. Let me give you what is a contemporary example; The American Constitution could be taken as pure from the very time that it was drawn up and ratified, prior to the time that the first amendment entered it! Today the founding fathers, or the constitution drafters and signatories will have to disagree with any person who says that today's american constitution, is exactly what was framed and or intended by the framers. The founding fathers may just say that the constitution is corrupted because of the fact that these very facts; additions/amendments and expansions beyond the scope that the constitution was intended for, etc. If you excuse the expansion of its scope, today, you can not excuse the "written words" that the framers did not personally write. Or can you ignore that fact, disregarding their primary premise?


Again Allah did not reveal the Bible. In the Bible, at least in the New Testaments, you have the Injil that Allah revealed to Isa Bin Mariam (AS), then you have the acts, and epistles and Books of Revelations. From acts, onward to the Revelation part, those are not from Allah. They are the personal desire of the writers. That will have to make it corrupted, at least not 100% pure of what Allah revealed
Allah's words can not be changed, means that the way of Allah n not be changed.

llahcant say that He is One and then, after that He becomes three. You find these two diffrent dynamics in the very Bible; Which one of them is Allah, from your Bible? Allah says He is a Creator, unseen begets none and nor was He begotten: This knocks Jesus Jesus a child of a woman out of the loop of ever being considered as Allah. Allah says no one can see Him, yet people saw Jesus, a second proof. The Holy Spirit, is Ruuh Qudus in Arabic. This is how Malaika Jibril was titled and you hear the Muslims say" Subhannah Maliki Qudus Rabbil Mailaika wa Ruuh!

Ruuh Qudus is Malaika Jibril the Holy spirit a messenger, a spiritual or angelic unseen except by prophets, and only when he comes as ordinary man, "messenger" of llah! This are the things you should know.


As you caling your Lord the Creator the other names you called Him, above, your condition is with your Lord. I am una ble to respond to it. I bearmy own burden and you bear your own.

As to ayatul Kursi, it embodies the complete ability of Allah, different from the falsity of the gods, who do not hold any real authority. It was stated that when this verse was being brought to Muhammad (AS) by Jibril, 70,000 Angels accompanied him. It is the same with Suratul Fatihah, also known as Umm Kitab.

Heck, can I at least build Mosque in Vatican cty, National Mall in DC, Buckingham Palace complex, lol, etc. David, sometimes you remind me of the program "Kids say the dandiest Things!" In the days, the host was Bill Cosby!

You should seek a permission to build a church in Red Square, and or Tianmen Square! Dont Stop at Saudi Arabia. Take the whole of Arabia, etc.

@Noetic: What to do, man? What to do? Afterall, it is true; There is one sleek29 who worships 3 gods!

Abi?

@Dayokanu: How long have you been in America? You know how many Jews, that the White Conservative Christians have killed? Let me remind you of the "eleshe ole, Judasi, ole" Christian Christian shouting/fighting songs at easter, in yoruba land! Tell those who do not know, but me.

@Jookco: Am a human being. The God will not give me the homework of Angels. He will not give the homework of Genies. He will not give me the homework of lions, etc (I am sure you know what am saying (assignment/duties/undertandings is homework here)), when I am a human being! When He sent His Messengers/prophets to humans, he sent humans, not angels! Please dont humor me, or rather pull the wool over my head!

@reindeer:  #12 on: Yesterday at 10:22:41 PM »  

ttle confused here
Alhaji, you equate chritianity to gerge bush etc, i think thats wrong, i agree george bush is a killa, but i doubt he kills in the name of christ,you'll agree that terrorists shout alahu akbar when they strike,im sure the boko guys too were doing the same.
No compare death with sleep abeg!

First, Bush and company called the intended USA attack on Taliban and Al Qaidah, CRUSADE! It was Yusuf Hamzah of Zaituna Institue in Heyward california, a white Muslim who advised him, to stop saying it, since there are Muslims in the US military.

Further, a military general in the US had stated that "the Christian God+, is bigger than the Muslim God! John Ashcroft said on public stages, that I have watched on C-SPAN, and others including CNN that their God is greater than Muslim God. Their God sent his son to be killd for them and the Muslim God asked that you sent your sons to die for Him. And immediately, this man turn around and kill plenty of Muslim, suggesting everyone Muslim be picked up and put in Concentration camp type settings in Amerixa. I live in that same America and I know.

Finally a congressman from the Republican said that why dont the US just bomb Makka and Kaaba! Well, if you do not believe me about George Bush, then watch the set of Youtube  titled "Christian Missionary Atrocities." In the collection, maybe you willsee George Bush the Christian man for yourself and his crusading efforts. You know after 911, I was watching  The Moyer reports on PBS, when a known writer broke into a Christian fighting song titled "Onward marching Christian Soldiers, !" YOu know as a muslim american, that was very offensive to me and it was actually the first time I knew that such a song does exist!

I wonder if the KKK did not kill for Jesus or Christian God? I wonder if the 700 club guy will not be happy to see many many Muslim die? Mr. Pat Robertson is his name.

In other word, Nezan, you have npt lived up to the commandment of your lord, by not allowing the slap on the second cheek. Look, I will not strike the cheek snd definitely not try it a second time. But you should be willing to take a lick/slap on it, twice, if you are truly following the Jesus instruction to you. Stoop low enough fothe hit, ma.

Sometimes, I wish I have a million USD for each lie of the disbelievers. By now, I would be a Trillionaire, by now! Surah Najm (The Star) verses 19-23
Muhsin Khan: Have you then considered Al-Lat, and Al-'Uzza (two idols of the pagan Arabs).
Muhsin Khan: And Manat (another idol of the pagan Arabs), the other third?
Muhsin Khan: Is it for you the males and for Him the females?
Muhsin Khan: That indeed is a division most unfair!
Muhsin Khan: They are but names which you have named, you and your fathers, for which Allah has sent down no authority. They follow but a guess and that which they themselves desire, whereas there has surely come to them the Guidance from their Lord!

[b]If we compare the aove verses to the below, from the Yoruba in Abuja pundit of Quranic Arabic, we will wonder, how can we be able to reconcile the two? In Makka Islam, it is obvious that the Surah Najm was revealed after Isra Miraj, if one considers the verses prior to 19, explaining and pointing out and killing off the controversies of the night journey, by stating what was seen and indicating that Allah is Powerful and the journey was very easy for Him.

If a deceit was going to be put in place, should the three names of the pagan idols still be placed in there? The answer will be no. How crane, (a bird or a load moving machinery) could be placed in a desert people's mind is beyond me! And if at anytime the muslims even agreed with the pagans, why the Surah Kafiruun, a clearly Makkan revelation is put in place to respond to the Kufar is still a good question for those people who are claiming "Satanic Verses existed!" Finally, if it had happened, then again Muhammad was in good company: Moses was instigated by shaitan to have killed an innocent person. Jesus received the whispering of Satan, three times, one of them was that he should attempt suicide by jumping off the cliff, according to the Bible.

Except that it did not happen to Muhammad (AS), and I wonder what the fuss was allabout? We the muslims are quite satisfied with the life of our beloved leader (AS), and why talk about things you do not know, beats me. At least people like me can talk about Bible. My mother was a christian, until, I was maried to one. I lived with one in University and sme of my good associates are staunch Christians![/b] And tey complained and used Ayatullah of Iran as the ayah of Islam! Lack of knowledge is a terrible thing!


« #126 on: Today at 04:52:55 PM »
@Muhsin,
Sura (Sura 53) verses 19-20 say, "Have ye seen Lat, and ‘Uzza, And another, the third (goddess), Manat?"
Allah was prominent in Pre-Islamic Arabia, as a god with three daughters: al-Lat, al-Uzza, and Manat. (Note that al- means "the".)
The four early biographers of Mohammed wrote that they verses originally were followed by:
"These are the exalted cranes (intermediaries) Whose intercession is to be hoped for."

Nezan did not even attemp to challenge my answers. Instead, he resorted to hypotheticals. Na wah o. This is not the way to dialogue.

Read the writing of a gangster wanna be as he opens his mouth and only filth comes out? And we check his family background and Islam must have made them better before they turn back to keferi because of abject poverty of mind and money that had befallen upon them. Gutter people will alway have gutter come out of them! A good example is what is up there, when he is a number one liar, as he lied against his Creator, calling Him 3 gods. Eron ko lason lason!

@Nezan: « #22 on: Today at 12:44:53 PM »

Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 06:12:09 PM
@Nezan: If I give you torned up Naira, will be difficult that once upon a time that Naira was a newly minted currency? The original books, to the prophets were the newly minted. The others, labelled corrupted are the old and torned up currency. Normally, such torned up currency weighs different and the volume is different.

But the torned up currency remains a more legal tender than a counterfeit abi? at least a bank can give you a new currency for a torned up currency, but you will definately be arrested for bringing a counterfeit to the bank. That is why I can never opt for the counterfeit-the koran.

A used up and torned up currency is not the same as new money! the raggedy money is usually shredded upand burn and replaced with a new batch fresh from the grill! The Quran is the Newly minted Curency. It is reinforced so that it will never be raggedy!



@sleek29:« #23 on: Today at 02:13:11 PM »

"olabowale, the bible is God's word, whether you like it or not, how many books took 1600 years to compile, with so many authors, but the quran is just a concoction by one sex meniac called mohammed. [/qute] Continue to deceive yourself. There is a saying made up by Bermum of the Ringling brothers, Bernum and bailey Circus; A fool is born every day, at least. Dont be a fool. This advise is big money and i just gave it to you, freely.

If a book takes 1600 to write, just imagine the many changes in the mindset in those 16 centuries? And just imagine the many writers who participated and their mind sets! Interestingy, it is still going through fine tuning, even now. That means it is still uncompleted. And you think that hats the way of God? O ga o!

If you are a prophet, then you can complain. When you get to judgement day, complain and see how quick decision will be made on you heading to the firelake! Awon okunrin to njo wewe.

The muslims have no problems with it, and there you are complaining, when you are devoid of all morality and spiritual understanding. Example, there is one sleek29. But sleek29 has 3 gods; god the son (1), god the holy spirit (2), and god the father (3)!

@Nezan: « #41 on: Today at 12:23:45 PM »

Olabs says the original bible is unavailable?

Yes. You and your pastor and your ascendants in Christianity lost it, bastardized it!

When did it disappear?

Ask your pastors who are still alive. I dont want to ridicle you by saying ask those of the christendom who have died. But anyway, it is the period before the Quranic verse telling you that you have a fake was revealed. You lost the Original and what you have is not Original!

Considering that the bible was compiled hundred of years before mohammed was even born, how did he know there was an original?

Was there an original? Yes or no. If your answer is yes, you already bastardized the origial and you are carrying a fake. If your answer is no, then that was your answer, really!

what was contained in the original?

Allah is Lord God and Jesus was a messenger prophet to the Children of Israel! Thats a good start. They, the followers of Jesus were to worship in the same islam that he worshipped, like father Ibrahim (AS)! et and that a final messenger prphet comforter to mankind shall come after him!

did mohammed read the original?

The essence of the original was revealed to him (AS). He couldn't read, silly. But the best of academia are studying his Message, his life!



@sleek29: « #42 on: Today at 01:29:40 PM »

@nezan, of course not, he couldn't read, an illiterate man he was.

Correct. Another proof for his Messengership, Prophethood (AS).

Jazakallahu anakun Khair, Abuzola. I also got your email response, yesterday. I appreciate it and may Allah bless you by your resonse.

@Nezan: Ahadith comes from Muhammad (AS), alone. And ahadith is the explanation of Quranic verse. Before you explain anything to anyone, you must hear what the statement is that you need to give explanation on. And the one who needs explanation from you, must tell you about the need for explanation, or at least give you the impression that the matter is murky, and not clear, needing clarification.

A good example, daily salah did not give rakah for each in the Quran. You find that in ahadith! Abuzola gave you simple and direct expananation, that a new born baby with wisdom can understand!

@Davidylan: Omo ma pa baba o. You were trying to kill me by your Ahmad Muhammad Arafa of Egypt post! You should use some wisdom, sometimes, when you post. Everything is not by any means necessary as not all is fair in wars! Your foolish guy must be a mad man and or a Christian, a Jew! If a muslim, he had left Islam, long time.

First, the signs that were celestrial, was mainly on the Miraj (heavenly journey)! You should read Surah Najm (star) to learn about them. Your Blind guy from Egypt thinks he was talking to a novice like you, who will be too happy to learn about such a lie that he was able to string together.

Surah Isra or Bani Israil (night journey or children of israil) would have been called Hijr if its about Madina connection. Alas, there is a Surah called Hijr. Every corner you turn, david, you and your supporters run right smacked into a brick wall! Why was Masjid Aqsa for Jerusalem, if it is referring to madina? Yet today, we have Masjid Aqsa, exactly in Jerusalem, in the place where it is mentioned to be situated by Muhammad (AS)!

All the Keferis are beside themselves in lost for words! Tell me, if Muhammad (AS) was wrong, would that be a masjid called Aqsa in Jerusalem, ever? And the dummy Egyptian you are listening to is leading you by the noose to lake of fire, if you dont stop following him. I wonder why you will refuse a present visual evidence and be following a man from Egypt who is related to the perished Pharaoh by his lies?


I am still waiting for your response. Am sure you know that you are lying!

And David must have seen alot of people praying outside masjid, before. NO?

@Davidylan:  #40 on: Yesterday at 10:59:01 PM »  

So it is ABUNDANTLY CLEAR that mohammad entered the masjid al aqsa like littleb LIED about . . . the ummayad's were the first muslims to conquer jerusalem.

David knows nothing about nothing! Umar bin Khattah was neither from Ummayad bloodline nor a member of their dynastic period! Umar bin Khattab (Alfaruuq) RA, ruled after Abu Bakr, the Kalifah of Islam! Whatever remained of buildings parts, walls, door ways, steps, entrances or roofs, when Muhammad AS got to it in his Isra wa Miraj events, that place and whats on top of it, was masjid Aqsa and it is still Masjid Aqsa, even now! David, disprove me by telling me what it was and is now since that verse was revealed? Could you, or you gonna let everyone knows that the cat catch you tongue?

Utter nonsense. Allah didnt perform a feat of prophecy . . .

The same prediction, a prophetic statement is valid then and still valid today. over 1400 years and counting! Prove me wrong! Am waiting omo!

Dont tell us rubbish about the masjid being a "site or land ground" . . . here is what littleb said - Outside was a ring used by the Messengers of Allah to tie their animals. The Prophet tied his buraq to this ring. Then the Prophet entered the masjid where Allah assembled for him all the Prophets--from Adam to Isa. Prophet Muhammad moved forward and led them all in prayer.

that is clear that it was a building not a site. Can you be "outside" a land or "inside" it?

Am outside a boundary of a land. And then i went inside the boundary, the boundary lines. Thats worked on by surveyors. Again, the ruin of what is on the site whenMuhammad (AS) came in to lead your god, and others, including angel in prayer, there is a place, a hook or a ring where you simply tie your animal. By the way the gesture of tying is enough. If you've ever seen a horse being tied, it just take the wapping around, a loop and you dont have to make knots to keep the animal from leaving!

You the same David that I have been trying all summer to just go to a a large water body to see how its surface looks at the time of Sunset, have refused to do it and you are graduationg to discuss more complex issues like the Isra wa Miraj? Subhanallah!

Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 10:25:42 PM
Give me a Temple, a Synagogue, or a Church so named by Moses or Jesus, anywhere?
Of what relevance is this?   Pls stay on topic.

Am on topic. You just did not understand it. The yorubas say whatever looks similar is what you compare a matter with, when you are expantiating on an issue. Muhammad went to masjid haram in Makka. Muhammad went to Masjid Al nawawi in Madina. Muhammad went to Masjid Aqsa in Illya. The three of themare still available today. When Muhammad was alive, Haram was stated as masjid, in makka, long time Salah became obligatory. It became obligatory in Madina, and when Muhammad arrived in Madina, he built a masjid. But the land that was chosen was allede a Masjid, the moment it was chosen and long time before the building /structure was constructed on it! So whatrs your difficulty in understanding that the structure has not so much to do with Masjid, as much as the land? Arafat becomes a masjid on the day of Arafat, yet there is no buiding on it! David you are terrible by your ignorance or pretending to be ignorant, in order to win an argument, I think!

Lay down the crack alhaji

I did long time ago, man! Before it became fashionable. Lol. You have to lay down the pipes, too. Lol.

@Davidylan: #36 on: Today at 10:49:31 PM »

alhaji, all due respect but this makes absolutely no sense even to a retarded person.

lol. David, you are correct. See it does not make sense to you. Why? You are that retard! Read your statement, again and see how true my response is! Dont label yourself that terribly. Let me do that!

Allah claimed to have sent down stuff and you're asking us christians and jews to point it out for you? Why? Did we claim to obtain our book from the lying devil called allah?

Sent down "stuff" to you; Jews and Christians! The stuff you bastardized! David, since you did not get it, all this time. Let me flip the Script for you and hopefully, you will get it, this time.

There is no ORIGINAL Bible! Now what do you have with you that you call Bible? Lol. Did you ever perform the experiment of water surface look at time of Sunset? Tell me. You must be so concern that you are scared of the truth!

I think London has done a number on you. Really a snow job on you or a need for you to do it over! When you dont know that your Biblical injunctions have no benefits to the listeners, then you should know that their action is not a result of Islam, but Christianity, Bible and Jesus, etc.

And when you deny that it is not so, then know that the Muslims can say just the same. Just because somebody says "Allahu Akbar," does not means he knows the jurispudence of that simply but comprehensive statement! Just like the in "in the name of jesus" statement does not protect anybody from any calamity, and those who say it do not fair any better in their preservation of lives and properties! Everything boils down to individual human understanding and value attached to issue!

The same you, for example have been deaf to all I have said. Do you know how frustrating it is to be dialoguing with your time of incorrigeble?

noetic, aburo toka si ogidi Bibeli fun mi! You tire me, man. Emi oo ma nba eniyon ti o ngbo ron soro pupo.

@Davidylan: I know that Noetic has been playing the yellow belly about this, please dont disappoint me, okay. Now tell me point to a a Zaur, or Torah that will be acceptable to both the world Christian body and Jewish body. It all of your agree to it, without any desension, I will accept as "original!" If you can then pick up a Bible that contains Torah, Zabur and Injil and be accepted to all Chrstians, then I will accept it as "Original!" THis two things will be enough to disproof Quran, Islam!


I know you cant do it, because I will bring up ~Lady~, a Catholic to oppose you! And you now see that you have no Original left. Thats enough to proof the prophetoic statement of Islam!

Davidylan: « #38 on: Today at 08:21:01 PM »

littleb, are you back reciting this famous lie of mohammad again?

I can talk to you while I ignore dadde silly comment which I have a ton of answer for.

This is laughably stupid . . . i dont even know where to start. Alright back to history . . .
1. Mohammad fell ill and died in AD 632!
2. The Masjid Al aqsa was started during the Ummayad period of rule in Palestine who did not even conquer Jerusalem until 638 AD, at least 4 YEARS AFTER the death of Mohammad.

Ummayad period was long after the prophet(AS) died. Umar bin khattab was the Kalifah whose rulership conquered Illya (Jerusalem). And I hope that you know what Masjid is? It is not necessarily a building, the site, land ground! And if Muhammad, by Allah called the ruin of the "Temple" Masjid and specifically named it "Aqsa", then he had performed a prophetic feat that came to pass, once again! Give me a Temple, a Synagogue, or a Church so named by Moses or Jesus, anywhere? You need to think fast, because I may just agitate you enough and call your home number! Lol. Eni oyinbo ba feron loo nti mole. I may just play the oyinbo role and lock you up, one time.

3. Note that the earlier temple of Herod was destroyed by the Romans in AD 70.
So EXACTLY WHAT TEMPLE or MASJID AL AQSA did mohammad enter? One that didnt exist until his death?

A sign of devine prediction. And Ariel Sharon has become a Prune/Raisin because of his disregards to Islam, by his entering to masjid Aqsa. He Sharon was another Pharaoh. Compare him with the Pharaoh of Moses in the exodus!

Recollect the numerous DETAILED accounts of the jewish temple, there is NO RECORD of any ring that the prophets tied their rings to! Infact prophets were NOT part of the temple tradition . . . LEVITICAL PRIESTS (the blood line of Aaron) where the keepers of the temple.

Here you are you don't even believe that Aaron was a prophet, and the others that came after Moses, until Jesus son of mary! You only take Jesus is just partially a prophet. I think you need to know that Dome of the rock is also a masjid. And it is in the same complex as Aqsa. Masjid Umar (Dome of the Rock) is where Muhammad lifted up to Heavens, with Jibril. Thats the place he tied the Boraq. But it is in Aqsa where he led even Jesus, Moses, Noah, Abraham, Adam, etc and yes, Malaika Jibril. Muhammad was thir Imam. Now, take that to the bank. I dont wanna say put that in your smoking pipe and smoke it. I dont want you to pick up any smoking habit by my statement. The Lab fumes are bad enough.

Only the high priest was allowed into the holy of Holies to bring the sacrifice . . . everyone else stayed outside the temple. So did the Jewish God violate His commandments to allow a fraud called mohammad to "lead prophets in prayer"? [/quite] The Jews have compromised their positions of relationship with Almighty Creator, by chosing and adding the Pharisees (Scribes) and rabbis as authorities of religious instruction givers! They rejected The God, just like you David! So Allah goes to the branch that He had kept away from the religious pollutants! Haa, aburo, stop talking precipitiously!

when did Adam become a "prophet"?

Mohammad is a liar and his children are no different.[/quoe] What did I say. You have no idea that Adam iwas a Prophet! Boy oh boy; bad knowledge allows for terrible statements. I think you shuld know that I am not a son to Muhammad (AS)! Quran says so in Surah Ahzab. Read it there.

@Davidylan: What do we say about the issue of the mayhem in say Brazil and the other South American, mainly Christian countries? Wat do we say about the issue of the warmongerin g of Europe and US, a clear Christian block, with all their civilization? I guess we can then asked how vile or unvile is Christianity by the actions of these people and countries? You see, to label a religion based on its adherents who are deviating from what the religion says is foolish.


Black people are labelled by whites in america, but the generalization is wrong.