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If it is permissable in Christianity for fiancee and fiance to be called wife and husband, then it is equally permissable that boyfriend and girlfriend can be called husband and wife. It is permissable to people who are married to different spouses to come together for sexual affairs and it will be legal if they call each other fiance/fiancee, or boyfriend/girlfriend or just simply lovers! You see ow poor the situation will be come, lacking any sexual morality, etc.

@Osisi: « #141 on: Today at 04:07:10 AM »

sorry warraqua forgot to add some details when he smuggled the virgin birth into the Koran.
Now you have the real story.

Olabs,please I beg you use your noodles na haba.
after an engagement what does one become?
Isn't it a wife.
How come you're not able to understand this simple story?
Should the angel have said do not be afraid to take Mary for a fiancee?

If you have sex with your fiancee, have you committed fornication? If you have sex with your Husband, have you committed adultery or Fornication? Sorry, Osisi, these questions are for the males in Christendom.

For you, if you have sex with your husband prior to him marrying you, even thogh you were his fiancee, did you commit any sexual sin, eg Fornication? Now you do have sex with this Oga usband of yours, are you committing any offence, Fornication and or Adultery? Whats the difference between a fiancee and a husband, to you?

Muslims and their one track minds
It's laughable that you laugh about this when the Virgin birth is also smuggled into the Koran.
Are you know in the company of Huxley and the atheists.Or the details are too much for you to handle?
This is now funny.

Again,now put on your bifocals and read it slowly.

18 This is how Jesus the Messiah was born. His mother, Mary, was engaged to be married to Joseph. But before the marriage took place, while she was still a virgin, she became pregnant through the power of the Holy Spirit. 19 Joseph, her fiancé, was a good man and did not want to disgrace her publicly, so he decided to break the engagement[h] quietly. 20 As he considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream. “Joseph, son of David,” the angel said, “do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife. For the child within her was conceived by the Holy Spirit. 21 And she will have a son, and you are to name him Jesus,[i] for he will save his people from their sins.

$Osisi, if you have to read my response above. Sex between the fiance and fiancee will be illegal, all the time they have it. Whereas sex between husband and wife is not illegal. A man who is engaged to a woman calling her his wife is a liar. An "angel" addressing a fiancee as the wife of a fiance, is a devil, and its only appearing as an angel. No angel will address unmarried people as spouses! If this is so, every one will be sleeping with everyone!

« #142 on: Today at 04:14:12 AM »
Tis is Mattw 1 in it's entirety,don't collapse at the greater details you're about to find out.


Matthew 1
The Ancestors of Jesus the Messiah
1 This is a record of the ancestors of Jesus the Messiah, a descendant of David[a] and of Abraham:
2 Abraham was the father of Isaac.
Isaac was the father of Jacob.
Jacob was the father of Judah and his brothers.
3 Judah was the father of Perez and Zerah (whose mother was Tamar).
Perez was the father of Hezron.
Hezron was the father of Ram.
4 Ram was the father of Amminadab.
Amminadab was the father of Nahshon.
Nahshon was the father of Salmon.
5 Salmon was the father of Boaz (whose mother was Rahab).
Boaz was the father of Obed (whose mother was Ruth).
Obed was the father of Jesse.
6 Jesse was the father of King David.
David was the father of Solomon (whose mother was Bathsheba, the widow of Uriah).
7 Solomon was the father of Rehoboam.
Rehoboam was the father of Abijah.
Abijah was the father of Asa.[c]
8 Asa was the father of Jehoshaphat.
Jehoshaphat was the father of Jehoram.[d]
Jehoram was the father[e] of Uzziah.
9 Uzziah was the father of Jotham.
Jotham was the father of Ahaz.
Ahaz was the father of Hezekiah.
10 Hezekiah was the father of Manasseh.
Manasseh was the father of Amon.[f]
Amon was the father of Josiah.
11 Josiah was the father of Jehoiachin[g] and his brothers (born at the time of the exile to Babylon).
12 After the Babylonian exile:
Jehoiachin was the father of Shealtiel.
Shealtiel was the father of Zerubbabel.
13 Zerubbabel was the father of Abiud.
Abiud was the father of Eliakim.
Eliakim was the father of Azor.
14 Azor was the father of Zadok.
Zadok was the father of Akim.
Akim was the father of Eliud.
15 Eliud was the father of Eleazar.
Eleazar was the father of Matthan.
Matthan was the father of Jacob.
16 Jacob was the father of Joseph, the husband of Mary.
Mary gave birth to Jesus, who is called the Messiah.

17 All those listed above include fourteen generations from Abraham to David, fourteen from David to the Babylonian exile, and fourteen from the Babylonian exile to the Messiah.

The Birth of Jesus the Messiah
18 This is how Jesus the Messiah was born. His mother, Mary, was engaged to be married to Joseph. But before the marriage took place, while she was still a virgin, she became pregnant through the power of the Holy Spirit. 19[b] Joseph, her fiancé, was a good man and did not want to disgrace her publicly, so he decided to break the engagement[h] quietly.
20 As he considered this, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream. “Joseph, son of David,” the angel said, “do not be afraid to take Mary as your wife. For the child within her was conceived by the Holy Spirit. 21 And she will have a son, and you are to name him Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.”

22 All of this occurred to fulfill the Lord’s message through his prophet:
23 “Look! The virgin will conceive a child!
She will give birth to a son,
and they will call him Immanuel,[j]
which means ‘God is with us.’”

24 When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord commanded and took Mary as his wife. 25 But he did not have sexual relations with her until her son was born. And Joseph named him Jesus.


Halleluia

what does the Koran give as details?
absolutely nothing
[i]warraqua died and the revelations ceased{/quote] 23 years later! Yea. It really ceased. Comot for road.
Who is ging to read all that Bible babbles? I dont read the Bible. I dont read Bible. No read Bible. No Bible.


@davidylan (m)« #143 on: Today at 04:15:29 AM »

these are all lies. allah NEVER directly spoke to mohamad, neither did the God of the bible regard anyone as His unworthy slave.

Unworthy slave. Worthy slave. The Christian Bible God does not have a slave, yet Jesus is a master to many. Master to servant is similitute to God and His Slaves; worthy or unworthy.

@$Osisi:« #144 on: Today at 04:18:17 AM »

How can allah speak to Mohammed when he was the one speaking in the Koran.
Mohammed is allah
allah is mohammed

Lying $Osisi. Did you ever hear a muslim say that Allah walked down the street as Mhammad (AS) His Most Worthy slave did? Haaa.


@davidylan (m)« #145 on: Today at 04:18:42 AM »

muslims dont have a one-track mind, that would be an insult to the unintelligent. Muslims simply have a mind that is DETERMINED to be deluded even in the face of the truth and is seared with a hot iron.

And the christians do have a good heart, and theI believe that it is the reason for your belief in 3 gods to become 1 Whole God.

« #179 on: Today at 12:43:40 AM »
Quote from: olabowale on Today at 12:12:36 AM
Let me response to Nezan in the briefest way: Its not possible that three gods do exist as a single Deity.

There are no three gods.

I dreamt that $Osisi had a patient who claimed that he is three patients; one on the examination table, in front of my young girl $Osisi, another the patient claims is in the waiting room, and the last is in the car awaiting the outcome of the examination and the return of the two. In my dream, I saw Osisi going to her office, writing something as a recommendation, but I thought it was a presciption until I saw big people coming with strait jacket to cart this man to the "Mad house" of the hospital, right after the Doctor finished her phone call and giving the recommendation note to them.

How do you like the scenerio, people? This is the reality of 1 Patient in 3 persons.

@$Osisi: « #179 on: Today at 12:43:40 AM »

There are no three gods.

God the father. God the ghost. God the son. Three, aint it, woman?

Not even your Koran calls Christians polytheists.

You are polytheists when you worship 3 gods. Certainly you were not called believers. Or were you called Muslims, Mumini, Sauibat, Saubiri, etc? If not you are keferi and o course polytheists of some sort, like hindus.

get over your tired lame line

I will, soon after you and yours become Muslims.

Allah must be a drunkard then if he said you should learn from Christians

Learn fromthe Christians? Not! You are just mudslinging now.

howcould allah ask you to learn the Torah and Injil which he sent down from people with 3 gods

$Osisi, you have lied! Show me verses where Muslims are told to learn Torah and or Injil?

who is the pathetic one here
Christians,you or allah?

Christians, for sure.

@Davidylan: « #136 on: Today at 02:04:33 AM »

allah CANNOT speak to anyone . . . why didnt mohammad speak to him?

Allah spoke to Angels, the genie (Iblis who later became Shaitan), Adam, Hawa his wife, other prophets and then Muhammad (AS). In the Isra wa Miraj journey Muhammad made sajdah to Allah at His Throne and they had a conversation on these and many others;

The tashahhud of Salah is a conversation between Allah and Muhammad (AS).

The order of making Salah was given to Muhammad by Allah.

The last 4 verses of Surah Baqarah was revealed.

None of these had Jibril (AS) involved. This was between Allah and His Slave (AS)!

The Lord Jesus Christ CAN! Now break your head on the wall.

Yes. Like "My God, my God, why has thou forsakened me?"

@$Osisi: « #132 on: Today at 01:36:44 AM »

The same virgin birth you make fun of and Jesus being the messiah, warraqua smuggled into the koran before he died and the revelations ceased for a while till Mo found another Christian writer

Honestly I was not making fun of anything. Just satting the facts, ma'am. The rest of your statement I can make fun of. But I just dont wanna do that right now.

« #133 on: Today at 01:43:59 AM »
You're beginning to sound like a broken record.
I can see the truth is tormenting your soul.
There's still room for you

What truth, especially when you did not even attempt to answer any of the tons and tons of Questions!


@davidylan (m): « #134 on: Today at 01:53:37 AM »

- Now we all know Mohammad only went there in his dreams. What "throne"? Even muslim ummahs agree that no muslim can EVER see the face of allah not to talk of his throne.

Surah Najm has a different opinion, David. Read it and know that Allah says he saw and he moved a little further, etc. That is not how people dream and the first leg of this journey, Isra gave all of us the fact that he left his home and went to Illya (Jerusalem)! Throne even to earthling Kings (not Jesus who couldnt establish any government; Osisi you hear me?), is always under the King sitting on the throne. Allah "Istawah" meaning above His THRONE! You cant ever get it with your Kiriyo Keferi mind!

- Father is NOT a literal word in hebrew meaning God . . . stop lying to deflect the fact that the jews saw God as a FATHER instead of themselves as slaves. The jews called God Jehovah Jireh . . . and also called him FATHER.

Allah says ask those who call God their father, why does God Punish them, with even heavy calamity when they do evil? Now I ask you if you are truly God's Children will He punish any of you in Hellfire? For sure one of you, either the Jews or the Christians shall end down in Hell fire! From islamic perspective, both of you.

@$Osisi: Both are from you. But which one is correct: “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife or the angel was telling him not to be afraid to take her for a wife?

$Osisi: lol. Your story about Joseph being the fiancee of Mary is one for the ages. I am laughing when I read that the old man decided to break the engagement quitely, not wanting to give her public embarassement! Girl, tell me how this old man was that decent, seeing that somebody got to his property before he? Take into consideration that you  just said he made that decision before the angel appeared to him in a dream. If he did not marry her yet, it will be improper that she is referred as his wife, by the dream talking angel. No? Finally, how did the community take it when they saw an engaged girl not yet married growing a belly? Te angels appeared to them individually?

In those days among  the Jews they use to carry on courtship like today's Houston Texas? Yes? Lol.

I wish you really know who is boko haram between you and I, now.

@$Osisi: « #126 on: Today at 12:34:28 AM »

New International Version (©1984)
For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Which government on his shoulder and where is the headquarters of that government? Wonderful counselor who proclaimed another Comforter will come? I wonder why? He alone is mighty God, everlasting father prince of peace; but then there are three gods, and not a father god, but son god, and ansking people to buy sword is not exactly the handwork of a people person, especially when he said; I did not come except that I brought war and not peace!

@$Osisi:  #120 on: Today at 12:13:57 AM »  

and then when the prophecy of Isaiah was to be fulfilled

behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name Jesus, for He will save His people from their sins.” So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet [Isaiah], saying, “Behold, the virgin shall be with Child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Emmanuel,”  which is translated “God with us.” (Matthew 1:21-23,

Are you for real young girl, that you are suggesting by your writing, that Mary was already married, yet still a virgin when she got pregnant? Osisi, if you let me start asking questions like; when did she get pregnant and how long before the holy spirit made her pregnant, and Joseph son of David did not go to the pharisees to accuse her before the "fulfillment of Isiah prophesy", you will quickly retire away from nairaland! lol.

Listen, you know that no sane man will marry a virgin and let her remain a virgin overnight! Not a virgin man, and definitely not a seasoned man like "Joseph son of David!" At least for me, no virgin will marry me and I am left alone with her in our bedroom for few hours, she will emerge never a virgin again! This is the opinion of Dr. Valentine Okeke, too, by his saying that if you lock a piece of yam and unleached goat in a room, without any obstuction for it to get to the yam, when you open the room, one of them will be missing and it is not going to be the goat!

lol. Osisi, stop playing games because you know the impossibliity for a woman remaining long enough as a virgin after being married to a seasoned man, so such so that some unseen being "ghost" had a chance to get her pregnant. Not my woman. You hear. There will be too many grabbing and touching here and there, even if the mother inlaw is protecting the wife, she and the husband will find some quite place, away from her sight to do some serious grabbing!

and it has been getting swollen since 610! Islam is also ant atheism, agnostics, hinduism, taoism, confusionizm, buhddism, ifaism, shangoism, ogbanjeism, etc! and being born a muslim does not qualify anyone to islam! al aqeedah is what makes one a muslim.

Let me response to Nezan in the briefest way: Its not possible that three gods do exist as a single Deity.

@sleek29: Let me ask you, if Muhammad (AS) drove all the other idols except his own, the one you called allah, where is that allah kept in the Kaaba, the building in the courtyard? Tell us where is that idol now? Lol. Ogebeni, when you lie, you lie so openly that everyone sees your dishonesty!

Go on the internet and search for that idol, and where it was kept then, and where it is kept now? Or in your house, your multiple god worshipper?

Awa Olabowale soro, o ni aaso oto?

If only the Christians tell us who was/were prophets among the listed: Solomon, David, Joeseph the Carprnter, Zacharayah, John the Baptist, Paul, Joshua, Isiah, Ezra, Ester, Ruth, Mary the mother of Jesus, Aaron, Joseph son of Jacob, Judah son of Jacob, Benjamin, son of Jacob, and provide the reason for each to qualify as or not as prophet. I will love to read this. I wonder if the people who claim themselves as prophets on TV, or whereever this very day, August 15, 2009 are liars a or speaking the truth?

$Osisi, you had claimed that you may be called Prophetess, etc, should I say that you are a liar or what? Lol. Its a dog day of summer. Sorry dog day afternoon.

Could sleek29 and or Nezan show a verse in the Quran or an ahadith statement to confirm this to us? I long time ago, a foolish non-muslim asked a friend by the name Abdallah Andy Spencer if the sun and the earth revolves, and Allah says in the Quran that the sun rises and sets, is that not a partial misstatement, even though another verse of the Quran says the sun and the earth moves in their prescribed courses?

Abdallah looked at the man directly and asked him, what do you always see the sun do in the morning, and what does it do at night? The non-muslim had no choice but to confess that the sun rises in the morning and the sun sets ushering in the night through the evening! Allah answers the question if you only look. And further answers it when you are in space to see that the earth moves and so does the sun!

And for those of you who thinks that Allah says the earth is a carpet, covering, and that translates to the earth being flat must lack insights. Do you not have carpet to cover and walk on? Is there an end to the earth, that people can not walk on it; glide as in parasailing, etc, and sail on it another form of movement over the carpet?

@Sleek29: Your effort to debate your Bible by hiding some verses while trying to replace it with the others, which I didn't ask you about, is a weak attempt to face reality at best. At worst, you are outrightly lying about your Bible, trying to deceive the innocent lamb pretending to be a friend while in reality you are a dangerous wolf.

I postulated the verses of the Bible where Jesus called people fools whereas earlier he had said in cautioning that who ever calls anyone a fool will end up in hell. I also said that he proclaimed that he did not come with peace but intended war. I also reminded you that he asked his comrades to sell their few belongngs and buy swords. They bought the swords, an evidence that the commandment was a reality and not a metaphor. So we can take it then that Jesus commandments to his associates are real; an example "Hear, Oh Israel; your Lord and my Lord is but One God! This is another way of saying hear oh Christians, there is no Trinity, because I am no God!

And I mentioned in my above post that Jesus killed animals by letting Pigs drowned like Fir'awn did. And the Christians cant have enough of the flesh of pigs, regardless. He Jesus also killed Figtree out of anger of hunger.


I showed all of these points, you did not say I am a liar, since you know that I have spoken the truth of your Bible. Yet you still drag some off the wall ackward verse to think that you can mask what I posted? Please man, go to the Christian section to contiinue such an open deceit. Its better for you there. I guess you are not from Jesus or are you trying to be christlike here, just presenting information without wanting any challenges?

@Davidylan: « #24 on: Today at 11:28:39 PM »  

1. solomon with 1000 wives was NO PROPHET!

2. Solomon never uttered those words, the jews have NO RECORD OF IT! You'd think they would considering Solomon was one of their most popular kings ever. Amazing how arabs have words ascribed to jewish kings that the jews have never heard of.

David you should be ashamed of yourself, since you are named after his father! He is not a prophet because of the 1000 wives, and or because your Bible failed to record it? I guess the Solomon Temple did not exist. How many prophets were there, according to the Bible? Name a few and give us the reason they were prophets and why Suleiman (AS) was not? Considering that his legendary includes such a thing as mine. Anyway I wonder after you read about Sulaiman using "we" for himself, you did not give an argument against such a statemet of personal respect of his person, but attacking his prophethood.

Heck I used "awa" we, just today for my baby. And she didnt ask if it was more that me, Olabowale. She knew who the we was. Let me post some verses of Surah Kahf, where Dhul Qarnain used We for himself. This is your favorite of the Quran since it contains the condition of water's surface at the time of Sunset. You have not carried out the experiment of a mere observation of water surface, even a water pool will do at the time of sunset. But no. Not david. He is concern and does not want to know the truth.

18:86 Muhsin Khan: Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people. We (Allah) said (by inspiration): "O Dhul-Qarnain! Either you punish them, or treat them with kindness."


18:87 Muhsin Khan: He said: "As for him (a disbeliever in the Oneness of Allah) who does wrong, we shall punish him; and then he will be brought back unto his Lord; Who will punish him with a terrible torment (Hell).


18:88 Muhsin Khan: "But as for him who believes (in Allah's Oneness) and works righteousness, he shall have the best reward, (Paradise), and we (Dhul-Qarnain) shall speak unto him mild words (as instructions)."

Thanks $Osisi for your life insurance advise. If I take your advise, I will be a christian, a disbeliever. At my age, I could do just as much as a 30 year old can do. I mean a man born in 1979! Health insurance is quite different from life insurance. Olorun mi, is different from Olorun e! While I live in the "Big Apple" I am safeguarded by Allah the Almighty Alone.

And the laws of Sharia is what I deal in. Inna Salati wa nusuki, wa mayay, wa mamati li lllahi Rabbil Alamin. La sherikallah wa bi dhalika wa aanna awalul Muslimi!

Asbiya llahu wa niaahma alwakil, aleyhi tawa kalna wa hurabbil arshi adhiim. Wa llahula lakuwata ilabillahu Al Adhim.

These women are not the morality indicator of Islam. Islam is more than Yar Adua. Islam stands on its on.

Look at the men of these women, what is wajib on them, the beard they dont keep it. They shave religiously everyday, immitating the hairless face of a woman. Even when I was not aware of how important it is to keep beard, I wore one just to make myself rugged looking and for me to be different from spouse.

The prophet (AS) says dhaayuut is a man who will never smell the fragrances of Jannah. Why; they see their folks go against Allah's order and they at least do not remind them about it by complaining that it is not acceptable!

Will I marry a woman who is naked like any of them? No. If my wife were to dress up and go out without Kimar, and the cloth are just that tight that it reveals what she was covering in the first place, I will complain about it. If she persist, it will in the long run a good ground for my seeking divorce from her. I will also not dress terribly so that she does not see me as a bad example for which she takes her cue from.


And I am not salivating over any of them. I have seen oceans and seas, and big and long and wide rivers, and body of waters. A rainfall flash flood is not enough to topple me.

@$Osisi: « #190 on: Today at 03:43:27 PM »  

so when you fill out forms here in America and come across the place about your spouse,do you include both wives?
Obviously not.
Only the one you married legally is your wife.
The other one is illegal in the eyes of the legal system.
There is no customary law to cover your multiple wives in America
I hope my sister knows she may not be the beneficiary of your life insurance since there's one spouse recognized by the American legal system

If I die now, according to sharia, Zainab gets what belongs to her and not less than what she is entitle to. If I give legacy, it will be for the benefit of the beneficiary; eg my ex, etc. My children have a part, too. Further, when I do have other children they will have the same exact right as their male other brothers who could actually father them. My father's estate is not ben divided even now, though he pass in 1966 (ra). Reason, not too many of the children want anything or need anything. I pray that my children are more successful than the most successful among my siblings Amin.

As to the life insurance, as a muslim, I do not carry any. My spouse(s) and children will not need for me to die before being secured. I work hard, and am at work even now, and everyday of my life I stand on the belief in Allah to sustain my needs and that of my descendants till the last of them in generations. What will a million USD life insurance provide? My needs and that of my family is larger than that.

Olabs bigamy is a crime in America
You are a criminal living in NY

Comot your hand from the opening door. I want to enter without having to hear you complain. My whole persona is that of a muslim, an african male, etc. I am not the only man who is married to more than One wife in America. Please take your Christian talk comot for road. I dey enjoy a fun filled funkie day. You, as a doctor should have more to offer than accuse me of criminality. You see those thieves; now those are criminals. You see people practising injustice? Now tose are criminals.

@Sleek29: « #57 on: Yesterday at 02:08:51 PM »

@olabowale, the question was did Jesus, Peter or Paul ever take anyone's life and you still talk nonsense, since they didn't do it i cn't do it but mohammed killed and gave orders to kill, that makes it islamic to kill!!!!,you talk rubbish, a Christian's role model is Jesus,he doesn't do whatever Christ peached against, any Christan who takes a life is guilty of not following what Jesus said, PRAY FOR THOSE THAT PERSECUTE YOU, even on the cross he asked for forgiveness for those who put him on the cross, that to me sounds like someone who is from and of God, and not someone who'll tell you that there's no sin in killing an infdel if he attacked you or not and goes on to promise them lots of women.

And yes paul didn't see Jesus physically but saw him spiritually, and everything he preached about only confirmed the things Christ said in the synoptics.

The topic has nothing to do with Biblical statement or explanation at all, until you guys brought it in. Now if Jesus to all christians is never a killer, nor an angry man, rtc(though we saw that he stated in the Bibe that he brought no peace, no sir, but war, killed a figtree whie angry and hungry, sent destructive spirits into the herds of Swine, etc), then those of the christians who kill, etc are devil/satanic followers, not followers of Jesus, for sure. No? How many do we now have among the Christians that are followers of Jesus, considering that it will be okay, still if they kill trees, send evil spirit to living things will be okay and meet with the expection of true followership of Jesus?

Almost all christian west will qualify as devil/satanic followers, since they kill people, instead of praying for them, the enemies!


This is my take on the matter. What do you have to say Sleek29? Or anyone at all.

Ahadeeth of the day is the topic. Is there supposed to be anything except ahadeeth and its explanation and presentation for or against? To bring the Bible, with its jexpulations of writers like jigsaw puzzels, is am insult to Islam. We do not have a Quran written by inspiration of a spirit whose description of responsibility did not include inspiring somebody to write a Bible! Read what Jesus said of Holy ghost will come to do since you said it is the another comforter. Either Biblical Jesus was wrong or you people are the liars. This is at least the possible condition because the two of you cant be correct about holy spirit in this case!

And Jesus said that whoever called a man a fool will go to Hell. But he turned around and called people fools! Now tell me who is sinlees? Jesus? Read your Bible. And I have not spoken about the killing of the innocent Fig tree. Now who is sinless, Jesus? And the removing of spirits "Okay evil spirits" from a person and herding them into a grazing innocent pigs which therefore made them drowned themselves! Now who is Sinless, Jesus? It is ironic that the same pigs is what you Christians eat so much and cant get enough of, and at the same time you claim that what goes into the mouth is not so important except what comes out of it. Well we hear you are what you eat and you eat pigs and what comes out of your mouth is not but filth!

And I did not go to the whispering and control of Satan on Jesus. Part of it, the Christians call it temptation. Lol.

@Gen2genius: The first verse is by Prophet King Sulaiman. The other is by Allah. Note that each has a plural and ended with a singular pronoun, to denote that each Speaker was talking about Himself when He said We at the beginning! You have to understand that Royalty uses plural for himself or herself. Allah is also entitled to this, too.

1). Prophet Solomon said, “We shall just now see whether what you say is true, or that you are a liar. Take this letter of mine and cast it before them; then get aside and see what reaction they show.” Qur’an, 27: 27-28.

2). ", We raise to degrees (of wisdom) whom We please: but over all endued with knowledge is One, the All-Knowing." Surah 12:76

@Gen2genius: I thought you are yoruba. The Igbo people have their own way of the we word to denote one person respecting himself. The Hausas an indeed all cultures and languages have something similar. English is one of the youngest languages and the Royalty says "we" to denote herself! Ask an Englishman and not those people from Africa who are too busy to hera her speak about herself. When she puts on the Crown and she sits on the thrown, you we hear her say We.

In Arabic, Allah says Nahnu for Himself and in the same sentence or statement use I or mention Himself directly to let those who think know that the Nahnu is referring to Allah, Alone and no one else! I know it is difficult for you to understand. I will search the Quran and see if Fir'awn used nahnu for himself when he asked Haman his engineer to construct a tower to heaven so that he can meet the Lord of Musa face to face. I will see if any other ever used it: Like King Solomon, or Queen Sheeba; Balqis.

@$Osisi: « #171 on: Yesterday at 08:07:41 PM.

Glad you have corrected the wrong impression you made even on young abuzola.
The readers interpreted you to mean that your Owerri wife was a Muslim long before you met and married her and that wasn't the truth.
How on earth are you living in NY with 2 wives?
It's obvious Zainab is not a legal wife

You are not more legal in your marriage than how Zainab is legal to me. You married in Nigeria. No? Or Nigerian marriage is not legal until you redundantly do over in America? Please. You cheapen Nigeria too much. It is not impossible to meet an igbo young woman who was born a muslim or from a muslim family. The daughters of Alhaji Isa Okeke in Enugu are University educated, and close to 30 years of age, muslima. Where have you been? And when I meet you and your husband, am sure the impact will last you a lifetime. I see Islam in your future, if only you relax without fighting it!

Igbo people have moved on and are waxing better. Thank Allah. You better become a memeber of the In-Crowd!

@$Osisi: « #173 on: Yesterday at 10:22:23 PM »

Can you stop being annoying.
Olabowole told you his wife was a Christian many years before he married her giving the impression that he'll have nothing to do with Christian women what he forgot to tell you was that he basically gave her that as an ultimatum for the marriage,see his post.

I did not give anybody any ultimatum. I couldnt, even if I try, and that includes you who is a friend. I merely pointed her toward Islam. It was by Allah's Mercy that she accepted with a soft heart. Since then, some of her friend and family members have accepted Islam. We are working on her Casino Owner former military officer father. InshaAllah, I will be talking about Islam to Chief Dickson in December. She didnt have to marry me. She had people wo wanted to intend her. But will not give them the time of the day after knowing that there is a seasoned veteran Muslimshe can spend her life with.

He admits he had already met and was involved with these women as Christians before they became Muslims obviously as his condition for marriage.
I didn't accuse him of anything.
His own words are my witness.
The mother of his Children was also a Christian woman.

$Osisi, apart from my ignorance of Islam at my first marriage, there was no reason for me to marry a non-muslim. I only restricted myself to a nigerian at that time. A pretty woman with brain who I do not know the man she had slept with. In New York city, even if you live a boro where you do not have too any Nigerians, the talks among the community travels like wildfire. They knew who are dating. I didnt want a woman that is "left over" of any man that I may come across. Lola was a charming woman and she fitted my style. If I was knowledgeable then about Islam, I would have given her an "utimatum; lol". I was young and a typical Nigerian male; Fun to be with and not a meek falla. You feel me? You know the type. I think your husband may just be like that.

In Summary,Olabowole has never been attracted to Muslim women to the point of marriage.
He has already been married 3 Christian women

Lol. In summary, you are wrong. I have only married I christian and two Muslima.

2 of whom became Muslims perhaps would never have never been had they not fallen for his charm
He told us last year of a 4th wife he was targetting,she is also Igbo and a Christian whom perhaps he's now working on her conversion.
What does that tell you?

It tells no one anything about my interest, except that I come across, without even trying, the Christian Nigerians more often ! They are always single while I do not have the same situation with Muslim women. Let me just say this; Do you truly think if I had studiedin Nigeria or now live in Nigeria, that I will ever marry a Christian woman without going for born muslim women first? I meet non african Nigerians and a sprinkle of west african muslim women when I go to Brooklyn. I just wanted Nigerian women first before any other. My reason is more of cultural: I want my children to belong in my culture, or at least Nigeria. Give me a nigerian muslim woman anyday. She will be my first choice before a nigerian non-muslim woman. Any muslim woman is better in my eye than the best non-muslim woman.

Osisi: I do not grab or touch a woman, unless she is my wife. Being with a woman for me is not like what being with a woman is in Christianity. Comot, let me enter! Lol. Osisi, you are in for a real fun afternoon.

$Osisi; The Yoruba woman, I will never ention her name. However she came from a muslim parents, and some aunt who married a christian insisted of raising her. They raised her as a Christian because thats all she knew. I met her in business after she had been widowed. She finally became Muslim and I married her. I will never marry a non-muslim. Period. I like my women like that. I pray that my ex, you, and you, and they all become muslim. Amin.

And this is blessing and you don't have to block it with a blood in the bucket, or do a return to the sender! lol.

$Osisi forgets that I live in this world where non-muslims live, too. A person is introduced to an opposite sex. They may not like each other or may just click. A muslim man or woman in a non-muslim enviroment often encounter non-muslim persons, as a potential mate. Just like I insisted in marrying a Nigerian in my initial marriage, who I thought was going to be my one and only, while I was in the water of fishes that I had no intention of catching, I refused to caste my bait. West Virginia didnt have too many blacks, and the african and the nigerians in there were so few that there was practically no single woman from Nigeria in college there. You wanna see africans singles, you go to Alabama, Mississippi, the carolinas, Georgia or Ohio, and Tennesse and Kenturky. West Virginia, no! Maybe Virginia bcause of name recognition and, oh Maryland.

This was how I lived my life until I moved back to NYC. Now, will I marry a non-muslim? Never, regardless of her attractiveness. I need more than this. I need her deen, her religion, her faith and morals. Zainab I saw as a christian. I immediately told her my interest and needed a mother who could teach the children Islam. It was almost as if she was expecting someone to tell her about Islam, even though she later expressed that she had hated Islam all her life until that very moment!

You know the effect of Ikemba on young Bianca? Magnify that 50 times! Thats what happened to the woman formerly known as Linda! lol. She became Muslim on her own for at least 2 years before we got married. She was in those years could have married anyone else. She was sure that she wanted to be a muslim before she married me years later into her Isam. Less than 2 weeks ago, somebody through her became Muslim.


Osisi, Kenya Moore or Tyra banks type are plenty in Africa. I hope you know that. They are like many in Nigeria. Even in any street, you will see that. Proof: Iman did not know that she was special until somebody told her so, since she thought she was like a cookie cutter type woman, observing others in her enviroment are better looking! I like 9ja women. They are always my number one choice. So are the Muslim women among them. But I will not tell you anything am not sure of. "Trust me". Lol. Its not like what it means when people just say it wihout meaning it in the letters and the spirit of it.

@$Osisi: « #145 on: Today at 05:20:53 PM »  

Thank God you came back now.
I couldn't gloat by myself!
Olabs had boasted times without number about how allah used him to bring Islam into the life of this Igbo woman he married then while loosing an argument,he does a 180.

I said I  married her as she had became muslim for many years. Show me where I said I married Zainab while she was a Christian. And show me where I said the mother of my children is a muslim? You are at work and there is no reason to sip Brandy, till you get home.

He also claimed much later while talking about converts that his Christian ex wife is now Muslim.

Please show me! I wanna read it.

His mother is also now a Muslim
It's hard to believe anything that guy says.He is so full of lies.
If I spent time to go through all of them,I won't do anything for weeks.

My mother is a muslim. I ad said that she and my exwife shared the same name, Victoria. She still bears it, in addition to her new name Mariam (Mary if you wanna be an english speaker). Many people are now in Islam, not by my ability. But Allah uses people to affect the lives of others. About my lies, I want you to start exposing me by showing where I said I married Zainab as a Christian and where I said the mother of my children is now a muslim. I hope she does though. Just like I pray for you, I do for her.

@Mama gee and Davidylan:

Quote from: davidylan on Yesterday at 05:30:45 PM
He said PEACE not islam. To force islam into the bible no be by force o.

I almost laughed with you. Then I realised I must laugh at you. Reason; Jesus did not speak english. He spoke Syric, aramaic or worst case Hebrew. Peace is not a word or Idea in any of the three. Shalom, Shaloma lekum, Salaam, Salaama lekum are in at least one of the languages. Salaam is peace, Islam is peaceful submission. Al Islam is The Peaceful Submission. It is a religion, an Idea, a way, it is a dialogue process from Human with his Creator. It is a peaceful process, at least with God, humans, nature, etc, minus the evil doers (disbelievers).

Islam has its root from Al Salaam; a name of praise of Allah.

@Davidylan:« #97 on: Yesterday at 05:26:38 PM »

abuzola, would you marry one of those penguins? Be honest.

Even Olabowale married an igbo woman, was he not worried about her nudity? Did he not find any penguins attractive?

Every Igbo woman is nude? Osisi, Kedu. Bia. Defend yourself against the accusation levelled by Kelechi here. My girl, my wife, my bride was not nude when i met her. She was a muslim long time before I married her.