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@PastorAIO: They are sent to their people. Their people meant those who lived in their community. Example; Adam's people is his wife obviously, his children, his grandchildren, his great grandchilren, etc, etc in generation until he died.

@Niyi53: « #53 on: Today at 12:24:52 PM »

From this it becomes clear that it is another person that is going to come who would be the jesus. Some people do even think that the mahdi is different from jesus. But they dont read the traditions well. In ibn majah, the holy prophet said there is no mahdi except isa ibn maryam. Meaning they are the same person. A person bearing two names for two different purposes. He is bearing jesus because his duty related to breaking the cross. He is bearing mahdi because of his duty of reformation of islam.

The problem with your statement is that there is no need to create 2 Jesus, since Allah attaches Jinn to every human soul created, will there be two Jinns, too? If Jesus is Mahdi, is the Mahdi that he is going to be born again as a baby, since Allah did not say somebody will be created as adult like Adam, or Jesus will be born a second time? I am asking these questions because you at least believe that Jesus will come back.

Allah says in Surah Rahman that all persons shall die (perish) and Only the Face (the Whole) of Allah Shall remain. We already know that throughout time, humans will remain until after death overtakes everyone on earth and even in heavens and even death himself will die, hence the only time that verse in Rahman shall actually be fulfilled. Are you saying that Jesus will die the second time, if Jesus already die in India as you have alluded?

@NiggerHtr: Living in the slum of South Bronx still does not mean that you have to behave like a hoolum. Common man, grow up. Nigger this, Nigger that. Okay, you are a Whigger, too. Are you happy now? Now lets have our dialogue and if you cant deal with it, go to the Christian section. Am not expecting a respond, please, Whigger.

@No2Atheism: « #33 on: Yesterday at 10:00:02 PM »

So going to Hajj is not even a guarantee of Al jannah . . . hence the use of the word "asuming" . . .you still are not sure if it would be accepted. . . (by who).
1. Bible believers do not need to die to obtain salvation . . .
2. Death is not a guarantee of salvation . . .
3. Just like Davidylan has said . . . "what do you mean by washing away of sins", when did the concept of washing away of sins start getting into islam . . . abi u wan plagiarise that one too . . .

Hajji is the least of the foundamentals of Islam. A mere shahada without even making a single salah is enough to make a person be people of jannah, if death occurs immediately after just "laa ilaha ilallah", yet not completed the Shahada. The intention to make it is even enough if death occurred! This is unlike your deeping yourself in the stinking blood in the jar! (lol). Yet the blood cant even get rid of the one who shed it away from death, and you are talking of never dying you slaves to human god? Funny guys.

And as to the washing away of sin, there is a dua that says separate me from my sins as east is separate from west. Washing me clean of my sin as white garment is wash clean of stain/dirt and purity me with snow and frost! Your Christian shaitan established religion have none of these, you know!

The flesh must die (e.g. swallow the pride of life) to obtain salvation isnt it?

Mr Pride himself has already condemned himself! How? He refuses to accept God as One Who Indivisible!



@noetic15 (m): « #37 on: Yesterday at 11:38:40 PM »

how can u go and die when stoning the devil?. . . . or was she stoning allah?
that aside. . . . whats the basis of believing that the devil is in the object being stoned? how was mohammed able to sell that ridiculous lie?

Listen to this bare foot trekking, Suntana dragging Keferi man in London. You think this is your human god Bible Jesus and the ghostly thing doing by mounting female virgin to get her pregnant and the sedintary arm chair sitting parts of the trinity? We worship Allah, and not allah! Big difference. Try this for size, Noetic 2 is different from Noetic15. No? Yet Allah is completely Independent from what you associate with Him! We say shaitan that we curse and by the way we say Allah Whom All Praises belongs, obviously the two are different. No, unless you dont read English?

And to answer your last question, do you see Shaitan? No. But Shaitan can be represented and thats what happened. Whereever this friend of your may be when he is being stoned he is humiliated. Allah guarantees it!



@No2Atheism (m): « #38 on: Today at 05:38:41 AM »

Quote from: tiatma on Yesterday at 11:36:02 PM
Oyb said
you responded
and I still maintain that
one needs to die to flesh in order to obtain salvation
The flesh must die (e.g. swallow the pride of life) to obtain salvation isnt it?
What exactly is your point . . . cus i don't get it. . . cus to be frank . . . I do not see the point or basis of your argument.

1. I never said the Bible said you should never die to the flesh. . . (CAN YOU KINDLY SHOW ME WHERE I SAID OTHERWISE)

2. My statement that you are responding to was based on the context that one cannot physically die to in order to obtain his salvation . . .i.e. you cannot buy your own salvation by physically dying yourself. (CAN YOU KINDLY SHOW ME WHERE THE BIBLE SAYS OTHERWISE)

3. Dying to the flesh does not buy you your salvation . . . instead it is a consequence of your salvation and not the cause (CAN YOU KINDLY SHOW ME WHERE THE BIBLE SAYS OTHERWISE).

4. Dying to the flesh is the consequence of your salvation and not the cause . . .

5. Are you a muslim trying to justify the so called dying in islam or are you a bible believer trying to score a personal point . . . cus to be frank I do not even know what the basis of your argument is all about . . .

6. LET ME REPEAT SINCE IT SEEMS YOU DID NOT SEE MY POINT AND HENCE SEEM TO BE FIGHTING AN UNNECESSARY BATTLE . . .

my context of saying you do not need to die was based on the context of someone implying that the muslim's death might have an effect on the salvation of the muslim that died . . .

7. Even for a Bible believer . . .
- CHOOSING TO PHYSICALLY DIE . . . DOES NOT GUARANTEE SALVATION.
- IT IS NOT THE DEATH OF THE SINNER THAT GUARANTEES SALVATION.
- IT IS THE DEATH AND RESURRECTION OF THE MESSIAH THE GUARANTEED SALVATION OF EVERYONE THAT CHOOSES TO BELIEVE.
- BEING ABLE TO DIE WITH THE KNOWLEDGE OF KNOWING YOU ARE SAVED IS NOT WHAT SAVES YOU, YOU ALREADY KNOW YOU ARE SAVED EVEN BEFORE YOU DIE . . .

Show us where Jesus said the above? And I will show you where Jesus will say to the Christians including Paul on the day of Judgement, "I do not know thee!"

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one needs to die to flesh in order to obtain salvation

Let me interprete what you just said . . . so that you can see how heretic this statement really is.

- Basically your statement is saying that the works of righteousness (dying to the flesh in this case) is what is needed to obtain salvation.

- that statement quoted above is flat out wrong, heretic and unbiblical.

- Kindly show me a place in the bible that says that your works of righteousness is what makes one to obtain salvation.

- The bible makes it very clear that our works of righteous are unacceptable to the Creator (no matter how hard we try) . . . it is not what guarantees our salvation.

- INSTEAD EVERYONE IS SAVED ONLY BY GRACE THROUGH FAITH IN THE MESSIAH. . . .we are not saved because we choose to die for Christ or because we choose to die for the Bible or because we choose to die for our faith. Those are evidences of our faith and salvation and not the other way round.

RNKJV

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of יהוה:
Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in the Messiah Yahushua unto good works, which יהוה hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the favor of Yahushua the Messiah we shall be saved, even as they.

KJV
Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
Ephesians 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

Acts 15:11 But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.

- Does that mean we should continue in sin after being saved by Grace through Faith: NO

- Does that mean we should deny The Messiah by refusing to die for him when we are faced with the option of either death or denying The Messiah - NO
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So please can you kindly tell me: what exactly is it that you are arguing about or better still can you tell me exactly what it is that i said wrong and which you seem to be trying to imply, cus as far as i can see, the context of my statement is correct and even the general basis of salvation in the bible has absolutely nothing to do with whether you choose to die or not. . . the willingness of a bible believer to die for his faith is an evidence of knowing he or she is saved. It is not the cause of the salvation itself.

So if you think the death of a believer is the cause of the salvation itself . . . i think you need to consider what the bible is saying one more time . . . because that is flat out wrong and heretic.

Dying to the flesh does not guarantee your salvation . . .it is the evidence that you are saved . . .

Your salvation is guaranteed by you being saved by Grace through Faith in The Messiah . . .

Your own personal death has absolutely nothing to do with your salvation . . .

In all of the above, there is no place that God Almighty Whom Jesus prostrated his face to in the garden of gashemane, and cried and wept and begged and petitioned in many places was mentioned. There is no place where ghost is mentioned, too. Everything is about the man-god who never stopped begging and declared "pf my own power, I can do nothing", and also "not as by my will but by Your Will!" This dude is more shayatini than Shaitan, but he does not know it!

I do not know your motive for your responses only you know that nevertheless please note that:

1. WHAT I SAID IS COMPLETELY DIFFERENT FROM WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO MAKE IT LOOK LIKE I SAID.

2. WHAT YOU ARE IMPLYING BY YOUR OWN STATEMENTS IS COMPLETELY UNBIBLICAL AND HERETICAL

I would henceforth no longer respond to your replies . . . in order not to turn this into an unnecessary argument that would only end up derailing this thread . . .

THANK YOU

Neither of you Keferis is correct since you associate gods with God!

modupe01; you better stop making a tool of yourself. many of us who are on nairaland understand arabic language enough to know Isa bin Maryam (AS) is in the Quran and there is no where your Esau, the brother of your Jacob is in there. Sarah name, is no in there, too. Remember she is their grandmother? O je ma ton ra e ni won ba n ton e!

Bibeli to gbe dani o mo iyato rarin meta ati ikon, o wa fe ko wa ni ede larubawa.

You think Islam is for arabs? You are mistaking and no wonder your racist yoruba heart will not let you accept guidance. If you are so racist, its therefore a shame that the Jews who dont care a thing about your black african hide (hyde), except if you wanna lie to yourself, from them you take a human for god. You know what that makes you? A slave to a man! You cant read or speak or understand Syriac or any semitic language. Every muslim can speak some arabic, read and understand it since we recite part of Quran to make Salah. Remember that Muhammad cant read or right Arabic, so there you are! Go find your Esau the hairy man somewhere else, because you aint gonna find him in the Quran. Too ba ri Esau e nbe, so nkon too nfe, maa fun e. Tio ba si nbe, maa ni ko Tuunba, ko le we wo nka! Oje lo ra koonkon sile, to ba laya e. This is where I say to you; bo si gban gba, !

@mazaje: « #3 on: Yesterday at 10:26:59 PM »

Olabs and his explanations. . . .Me thinks shaitan should have been dead by now with all these stones being thrown at him from millions of moslems year in year out. . . . Mohammed was truly a clever guy for inventing this scheme. . . .

Muhammad (as) simply honored what his father Ibrahim (as) and wife Hajar Muhammad's mother did to make sure that they shame Shaitan while working hard in determination to fulfill the commandment of Eloi!, even though the message was received by dream. Nothing Muhammad said to honor himself in the Hajj!

Oh, Mazaje, you, an atheist will die when your time comes. Shaitan will die after all men are dead (the promise of Allah in Surah Araf, and others). Wait till the day of Judgement then you will see the reality.

@Davidylan: Mazaje and you should fight it out, two big time shayatini ins fighting! David, do you think Ibrahim did not exist before Judaism and or Christianity? Of course he existed long time before! He was from the city kingdom of Ur of Babylonians. No? So before Isaac, there was a man son of Ibrahim known as Ismail (AS) with his mother Hajar, a princess from Egypt sent out into the wilderness, according to you by the jealouse miss meanie Sarah of the Bible. No?

That Wilderness is Makka (Bakka), now a sprauling metropolitan, and Ibrahim's manasset (process) of carrying out Olorun/Obangiji/Chuneke's order of slaughter ended the Hajj. I know you are having a feat. Take it easy because I invite you to Ojude Oba of 2010, in Ijebu Ode and you can only take the pressure if you keep yourself healthy. Am sure somebody in your Ijebu Ode blood was a muslim and how you tangentally became a darn disbeliever the one who started it in that Ijebu bloodline carries the blame, bigtime. But not too late for you since your blood is still flowing in your vein before you become a stiff, I advice you humble yourself and drop the ego!

As much a s you deny, Ibrahim (AS) loved hs son (AS) who was the child of the sacrifice. May Allah reward your patience yaa sayidina Ismail (AS), willing to lose your life so that your father can fulfil the dream (ruuhya, waahi, a revelation) that Allah made him have (AS).

Am sure Davidylan missed the lesson behind it as the detail for a person who thinks will lead to the fact that Isaac with mama Sarah looming large can not let let Abraham and God both she had earlier forced to send into the wilderness and care not about possible dangers, Ismail and his Egyptian mother slaughter Isaac because of a mere dream! The obvious choice for a kill is the son of a bond woman for the slaughter hands down! David am making fun of you and I hope you know that, you tool (I love you enoughthat I dont wanna insult you in the public, I'll do it privately, when we are sitting together in Obanta land)!

@PastorAIO: « #20 on: Today at 06:55:19 PM »  

I don't know why you have to go all the way to mecca to stone the devil.  There are plenty of devils in nigerian that need stoning.

And Allah has shown Mercy that Muslims are not told to stone all the evildoers in their enviroment! And the greatest of evil, action of the devil (devils) is saying that God is Three/Trinity, or saying He is not what He is. Pastor, this very Mercy from Allah covers you, even as you reside right there in England. You should thank Allah by prostrating your face and say Shukrullah while you are at it.


@davidylan (m): « #21 on: Today at 07:49:24 PM »  

We again see the subtle appropriation of biblical terms to beautify islam. Sins are now "WASHED" away in islam too? With what?

If I have a quarter for every lie that rolls out of the lips of this dude called Davidylan, I should have become a multibillionaire between 2006 and now. David, which prophet in the Bible that is exclusively Biblical, not human (thats dry humor), angel (humor) and will fly and first used the term "wash" away of sin? Was he a Jew by religion, or Christian by reigion? Adam the first man, who am his son, you too are is son, but you will rather be son of God (liar then I laugh), must have sinned if any disobedience to God is sinful. But then washed away his sin, as he seeked forgiveness, and definitely Adam was not exclusively Biblical since am his son and there is no way all Muslims world over and I are Biblical! The statement of man is neither Biblical, exclusively nor Islamic exclusively. The hindu can make beautiful prayers. The Object of Worship is what is important, unfortunately for you, you have three objects, while hindu's is another doll! You guys belong together, different forms of disbeliefs.


[Quote]No sir . . . we dont shy away from death but of course i would raise eyebrows if at least 40 - 50 people end up dead every year at Shiloh.[/quote]Where is Shiloh? Any significant number of people ever, at one time gathered on it, determined to conduct a particular rite, ever? Please davidylan, lay off from the beaker and let the fumes get away from your nose, sometimes! Let the residue of the job stop following you outside the lab enviroment.

@mazaje and mrpresident: As bad as Mazaje's question is, he is excused because of his ignorance, but mrpresident cant be excused because he affirmed his ignorance!
Mazaje, if you know anything about Islam, the stoning and indeed the whole of hajj, except Arafat, everything is in memory of Ibrahim (AS), his son Ismail (AS) and Wife Hajar.

Now the stoning is exactly what the parents did, when Ismail was being led to slaughter, in fulfilment of the dream of Ibrahim (AS). Ibrahim repelled the deil who was trying to talk him out of carrying out the slaughter. When the devil knew he wasnt getting anywhere, he turned to Hajar, thinking that he will break her will, the nurturing of mother may kick in. To the devils demise he was stoned just as well to repel his evil counsel just as well. Oh, there is no devil in the Kaaba, and if there is, dont you think that will be the place they will be stoning? This is why you are ignorant.

As to you mrpresient, it would have been better if you play the part of an ignorant. But your arrogance will not allow you to be normal human, show that there is weakness in your Islamic knowledge; you dont know everything! There is nothing lunacy about what the Muslim does when the devil is stoned. The other is the reverse; consciousness in clear conscience that the devil is not an ally. Let me help you MrPresident, if you stone a devil are you like him, unless you stone those who are your lovers? Do you? If a woman wants to perform illegal sex with you and you repel her, are you like her or are you in the same moral standing? You need to start thinking before you type, unless you are suffering from Lunacy and par with retard!

@Nezan: « #3 on: Today at 03:36:57 PM »

@abuzola; I was wondering if the devil overcame the numerous stones thrown at it

Overcome is the emphasis here. According to the Christians, Jesus overcome. According to Christian (nezan) Devil overcome. As I read it, devil and Biblical Jesus are same to the muslims. They are both in the overcome column.

Jesus nailed numerous times. Devil stoned numerous time. nezan is a devil worshipper.

Abuzola, use their statement to ridicule them, or go to the Quran and the ahadith where the right responses against them so that you can shame them is already been in place for over 1400 years and counting!

@Posakosa:« #89 on: Today at 01:41:24 AM »  

making diabolical comparisons---- does not make for logical arguments. ITS BORING.

Diablo is devil, a root word for diabolical. Now it is not possible that One True God concept is diabolical. 3 entities Gods where one is father on a chair/throne, another is a ghost and the last is man-god who died and woke up less than three days especially when he was to spend a full 3 day of sundowns to sunups (lol) is definitely diabolic!  


@0hsisi: « #90 on: Today at 02:12:47 AM »  

Your attempts to derail banom's thread and take away from his testimony will not work
Some of us are not that gullible
I said leave these things to  almajiris like abuzola and area girls like uplawal,it doesn't fit you
you don't have to rejoice with him neither do you have to respond on his thread abi you don dey fight your last battle

Ohsisi, if you are not gullible, tell me how you could gullibly accept 3 (count with me, woman; Yahweh/Jehovah/Eloi, Elohim, thats one and different from Jesus/Messiah, thats two and neither is ghost thats three in your Tri Nity) to be One Indivisible Wholesome God Who stands Alone, never to die, Always alive? How gullible can you get after this? I dont care about Banom's condition, and as much as I like you, banom and you are from the same bird, now and when he was not a christian, except that you are fromdifferent parts. You are both Kufar. By the way, I am an al Muhajirin because my mission in america has since changed to dawah, the reason I dialogue on Nairaland, for thats all I can do here. Ohsisi, you better get away from 3 gods!


@Validaotor: « #91 on: Today at 07:40:48 AM »  

Quote from: olabowale on Today at 12:40:26 AM
@ohsisi: « #82 on: Yesterday at 11:43:54 PM »  (AS) is a soffisticated man, while am not that soffisticated!
Sophisticated indeed ! Sophisticated enough to drill his way into a little girls pussie.

I, a less sophisticated man will not drill myself into anything, even though I daily have the chance to of those who are not my bride. My reason for restricting myself is solely based on what Muhammad(AS) presented to me in Quran from his Lord and his action from his hadith and not because of my yorubaness or my ijebuness or my manhoodness and definitely not from any biblical character, eg the biblical Jesus because I will be a confirmed bachelor and if from Paul, I will be a eunich!  I do hope that if i could be this aware, Alhamdulillah, then what you say about my master Muhammad (AS) as drilling his way into a little girl is not only idiotic as that of the village idiot but naive and uncouth stupid! My mother was young enough to be my father's daughter. I am old enough to be Zaynab's father. I hope your mom is younger than your father!

niyi53, please dont die disbelieving that sayidina Isa bin Maryam (AS) will return to earth as a sign of the end of time. And there is no place in Surah Maida, especially 116 you quoted that indicated an event that has happened already since Allah's conversation to follow is on the day of Judgement.

okay, i always draw up actual distinctions away islam away from christianity. even the pastor knows that.

@Askat; « #96 on: Yesterday at 09:21:01 PM »

tell me How many people that was once a christain and changed to muslim do you know? apart from those fake christains that marry muslims and the changed to save the marriage
talk to me! who is the companions and how many are they?

My mother in 2006 after 40 years that my father had died! Zaynab long time before I married her, and before the marriage we did not even talk to each other for a whole year. Seyi Williams, yet unmarried. Her mother went back to islam. Her father is leaning towards it! The father (ra) of brother babs787! You want more? I advise you come to america; Blacka nd white and inbetween, all coming to Islam! Please dont amuse me.



@sokislam (m): « #97 on: Yesterday at 10:57:11 PM »

The death of Jesus is not an issue in the Bible, but the Muslims are trying to help Jesus. How can u accept the fact that Jesus died (anyway) but no on the cross?
What kind of line of reasoning is that?

Are you talking to me or somebosy else? Where did I say Jesus died already unless I say first "according to you"?

« #98 on: Yesterday at 11:02:16 PM »
This is the evidence in Jesus own words;
Mt 17:9 And as they came down from the mountain, Jesus charged them, saying, Tell the vision to no man, until the Son of man be risen again from the dead.
Mt 26:2 Ye know that after two days is the feast of the passover, and the Son of man is betrayed to be crucified.
Mr 8:31 And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.
Olabowale and Abuzola, why are u disbelieving after the truth has been brought to you.

Where or what is the truth in all of the above? None of it is the actual statement of Jesus or even his disciples, since neither group wrote the "accorging to" stories?

« #99 on: Yesterday at 11:12:21 PM »
Concerning the Jewish timing of 12 hours, I am very alarmed that you don't even know a common traditional historical background of this jewish people. Why don't u make a research about what I said before openly disgracing yourself of insufficinet knowledge in history.

So show us where the Jews say that Yahweh is in a group of three gods, father and ghost and son? At least I have a whole bunch of Jews as friends and lawyers so you cant pretend with me, for if I want to be in their sadah this year, it will is just a matter of saying to freddy that hey man, I wanna be in the comany! But am a muslim, so that will not happen.

whats absurd about what i wrote, though it was not christ-muslim, until you label it as such to foster your intention.

@ohsisi: « #82 on: Yesterday at 11:43:54 PM »

Even your pedophilic murderous prophet did not have the nerve to call Christians idol worshippers

(AS) is a soffisticated man, while am not that soffisticated! When you are not a muslim, you are therfore a Kafr of some sort. Kafr is idol worshipping, denier of One God, and in your case a three group gods is not One, and you a doctor should know about that! Please dont get me started because we can discuss this in privated emails where I will take off my gloves.

or else he would not have employed them at several times to copy down the texts of the Koran

this is a joke! Tell me the name of any Christian who he asked to write down Quranic revelation? Its a good thing you dont wager and am not in the mood to knead you to try. you would have lost the last dollar on this!

and would not have asked you to ask Christians for knowledge when in doubt.

Tell me what I should ask you, woman; how three persons become 1? How you dont prostrate your face like the way Jesus did? Is it the uncontrollable clapping, dancing like a jiggle bug, the singing like a Canary or the wild muslic like Punk Rockers? What or you want us to discuss the blood that is kept in a jar for the past 2000 years? Please.

Stop sounding desperate
leave that to almajiris like abuzola
leave the morbid stories out of banom's beautiful thread too

morbidity that I lost my father or those whose family members perished? In Atlanta, people dont die anymore or no fire after the one that happened in the "Gone with the Wind"? Am trying to extracate you from the clutches of disbelief, you are giving me excuses? What benefit is it to worship three Gods after he had refused the existence of One just before?

@nuclearboy: « #160 on: Yesterday at 09:51:28 AM »

@Everyone, please let Abuzola respond to this before we go ahead. God is not an author of confusion so we should not chase many rats at the same time. But if you want us to continue anyway, no wahala.

Is having three independently separate gods, Jesus the son, Yahweh the father and Ghost the ghost not of itself a sign of confusion, if you say they all become One? Nuclearboy, i need an answer from you.

@Rukkayat: are you Muslim or Christian? Thanks anyway, for telling the truth about the "circle" of the Earth as expressed by the Bible.

Is just being a circle not a possibility of just flat and may not be spherical?

@Jairzinho; « #4 on: Today at 10:23:17 PM »

Quote from: Lagosboy on Today at 10:10:17 PM
Anywhere you are in the world you could use a compass to help you indicate the direction of the ka'abah. Technology has resolved the problem and it was the early muslims that develped the tool called a compass to solve this problem.

No need for propaganda.
From mainland USA,the Ka'abah can be located both to the West (via pacific) and East (via Atlantic). So I require a practical answer not stories. Cheers.

Kaaba, the Qibla is a stationary point. That we all know and agree about. Regardless of where you are on earth, you need to face the Kaaba by the shortest distance direction possible.The whole of the US is in the westernly direction to Makka! Though northernly to it than Nigeria which is just westernly, therefore the people inContinental US shall face in general Southernly east direction. The general direction of the Kaaba therefore is when the rising Sun hit your left ear at some angle from the front since the sun rises from the East of you based on the rotation of the earth!

@Focused123: « #93 on: Today at 02:52:34 PM »  

Quote from: olabowale on Yesterday at 03:49:28 AM
focused 123, if Allah says face the Qibla (directional Object) that is dear to your heart, and it is Masjid Haram where the Kaaba is the symbol of it, will you not quit worshipping three gods and join me in true worship of your Creator? My proof is that Kaaba, when you can see it, regardless of whatever direction you are of it, you will have no choice but to face it! This simply means that if two people are on opposite sides of this central object called kaaba, the face it, facing each other with the kaaba as the Qibla between them.

focused123. do you have a thing of order, unifying thing like that in your religion?

Olabowale, you said your allah (Saudi black stone) is all knowing. Is he not capable of hearing prayers from all directions. Why a particular direction ?

Islam is a joke to me because all these symbols are nothing but pure witchcraft.

Show me where I said allah (Saudi black stone) is what I worship? Allah is obviously different since you or some other person from your came wrote few days back that Allah is the God of the Israelites, too. Allah is obviously an Arabic spelling of the Syriac's Eloi. It is Allah the Lord that I worship. Your issue reminds me of PastorAIO post where he was saying that Allah is the "tribal" God of the Quraishi, almost mean to say at least from his language that the other arab tribes do not have Allah but some other as their God(s) and that by his language the Arabs did not know that there was a Creator, All Purposed, Powerful without any deficiency God! I asked myself that this Pastor, a yoruba man should know that before the Europeans brought Christianity God to the yorubas, we the yorubas know that God the Creator always existed,never dying! And before the children of Israel began to showboat that there is only One God, Adam the first man and not children of Israel, obviously, along with his family knew that God is One! The same applied to all the messengers and prophets (AS) even before Israel himself, prophet Jacob!

the idol worshippers are falling on top of one another just because a completely lost person went back on a path that does not lead to a successful destination, just as the path he left. In the Bronx, just two winters back, 2 Muslim families from Mali lost their families, one just a mother remaining, and the other a father in a house fire. Neither one of them denied Allah or renaged Islam! Another in Brooklyn lost his family and when he was told on the Hospital bed about it, he said Alhamdulillah.

My father (ra) died on March 30, 1966 and my youngest brother, Teslim did not even know him. Neither he nor I his big brother approaching my teenage years at that time survived, still Muslims, Alhamdulillah and there is no getting angry with Allah. At least I know who my Lord is, the Everliving and All Sustaining, never Dead.

If I were to ask the young man about his conversion, it will be which God will he be kneeling before in prayers, now; father or son or ghost or all of them in one shot, one jostling for complete ownership of the Lordship or is it that each is contented in his authority, without any Absolute over the others? Maybe he triple his prayers, each receiving a full prayer for himself without sharing with the others?

@sokislam: « #73 on: Today at 12:17:49 PM »

That is a simple thing to understand if u are aware of the ways the jews count their day. I will be glad to lecture u on that.

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You need to understand that the Jewish day does not begin and end at midnight as does the secular calendar day. Midnight is not a distinguishable astronomic event. In the era before the modern clock, a specific hour of the night could not be precisely known, whereas an hour of the day was easily determined by sighting the location of the sun. Thus, the day had to begin by precise, simple and universally recognized standards. This meant that the day had to be reckoned either from the beginning of night or the beginning of day.

In Jewish time, the day begins with the onset of night followed by the morning . According to some Jewish teachers, night and morning begin with sunset and sunrise respectively. That is why the Bible says "And there was evening and there was morning, the first day."

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That's why you see them saying stuff like, 12th hour, 3rd hour etc. That is exactly they way they observed their timing. And as mentioned earlier, a half of the day for the Jews is a whole. They count in 12 hours while we count with 24 hours. With this background information in mind u can better be cleared as to the sign of jonah.

Hope you are getting it brother?

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Mt 26:45 Then cometh he to his disciples, and saith unto them, Sleep on now, and take your rest: behold, the hour is at hand, and the Son of man is betrayed into the hands of sinners.

Mt 20:6 And about the eleventh hour he went out, and found others standing idle, and saith unto them, Why stand ye here all the day idle?

Mt 27:45 Now from the sixth hour there was darkness over all the land unto the ninth hour.

Here are examples of the explanation. Wish u the best in understanding my brother.

You are asked to show that Jesus died, you gave all the above, without any shred of evidence that Jesus died in any of the above verses? You are a surprise.

@Abuzola, the Bani Israil measure their day from Sunsown to another sundown, Magrib to Magrib like Muslims!

@Askat: « #65 on: Today at 10:33:06 AM »  

In that case, that makes the Qur'an an incomplete book. Hoe can u anchor your life on such book?

Quran says Adam, Enoch, Noah, Ibrahim, Lut, Ismail, Isiaq, Yaqub, (None of them is Children of Israil), Yusuf, etc  Harun, Sulaiman, Dauda, Zakariyyah, Yahya his son, etc were Messengers and or prophets. The Bible says many of them are not even prophets, and definitely not Messenger(s), while claiming that even Adam was Hebrew or israelite as if there was any tribe especially when mankind was just a single family, Adam and his wife and his children and grandchildren, and even great grandchildren, etc! Was Hebrew or israelite the first tribe or people on earth? No, for sure! Does this not render the Bible completely incomplete?

By the way, name all the daughters of Jacob on the pages of the Bible. If you cant, then the bible is totally incomplete, again? What are the names of the children of Adam, or he only had one child, cain since he killed abel? I can just drag you all over the places with the names of children of the notables in the Bible, asking you to mention all of them! If you miss any of them, then another chance to say that the Bible is incomplete. See?

@Askat: « #52 on: Yesterday at 09:15:35 PM »

ye of little knowledge, and you said that you are reading your bible. you are only reading it to find faults, you do not read the whole story of Jesus from matthew to john.

you said Jesus never intended to die, then tell me what His mission is on earth. Jesus told the people of His death even before they plan to kill Him matt 26:1-5.

I am not sent but to the lost sheep of the house of israel! Thi is his only mission on earth. Please show me where he says "I am sent to die for your sin, or so that you might have spiritual life"?

@Askat: « #49 on: Yesterday at 08:58:56 PM »

death do not overcome Him, He overcame death. death has no power over Him, that is why He rose up from the dead.
Jesus has to die in our place because once we are dead, nothing more. but He has overcome death on our behalf so that we can die ( spiritual death) no more.

If dead did not overcome Jesus, this is a proof that he did not die! If you said he died, then death overcame him at least when you said he died! You can not deny that he did overcome death always and say that he died, that there is a problem with the two? Which one is it? Jesus did not overcome death at some point or he overcame death, always? By the way if the situation of jesus is phsical, then the recirprocity for you should be physical, too. If it is spiritual, then yours should be spiritual. Thats consistency!

But you that has not recieved Jesus, after physical death, you are gone for life. hell straight without hold up. Repent, I am telling you now o!

Am sure Abuzola does not want to go to Christian heaven. Please define heaven and what are in there; Hell and Paradise and other things?

@Askat: « #46 on: Yesterday at 08:31:12 PM »

Quote from: Abuzola 1 on Yesterday at 08:15:12 PM
Sokisalam, jesus didn't die, even if jesus die it means your god died, so whats the jig. Although some scholar believe he died and raised up but not by crucifiction but a natural death

When Quran says Jesus did not did, then it means he did not on earth, yet! When Quran says he was raised up, he was not said that he was raised as dead man but a living human being. It is not so unusual consideing that Muhammad (AS) was lifted to heavens and returned to earth, body and soul, alive. Jesus returning on earth is multipurposed; for sure part of the signs of the last hour. He will fight and defeat the anti-Christ, break the cross, kill the pig, pray with the Muslims, not as a leader but as a member/the larger congregation behind Al Mahdi, then die and be raised up, both of them being peaceful events in the land of the prophets and not in far away India, where no prophet from the progeny of Ibrahim (AS) ever gone to live and then die there! Any scholar who believed that he died in India is wrong. If he arried at this opinion in pure scholastic effort to explain with any hypocracy, then we pray that Allah accepts his effort and not punish him for wrong conclusion, since there is correct conclusion with the muslims, already!

I agree my God died but He died so that I will not die ( eternal death ), but even though He died He rose up the third day and that show that He is the Son of God.

There should be consistency in the two death or lack of. Why will the death of Jesus be physical and this cant prevent your physical death? Why will he not eternally die so that it can prevent your eternal death? You cant be passing up apple as oranges, though both fruits, but they are different!

How great is the love Jesus have for us, He is a up in Heaven and He left His glory and came down to the earth to die for us. How many Human being can do that even for his blood brother.

Thank Allah that you call Jesus what he was; a human being! By the way, Jesus did not show love, forgiveness to an obvious contemporary of his; the thief on the cross the left side of his hanging tree!

@sokislam: « #33 on: Yesterday at 05:15:48 PM »

It is a pity that the Muslims don't understand their Qur'an, and they are taking a step further to interpret the Bible. The death of Jesus is mentioned in the Qur'an. But they take no time to study it.

Well, if u need evidence I will provide it.

Please show me in the Quran where I can read that Jesus died on the cross? Or in India as Niyi53 is saying?

Let me be funnyfor a moment, while being honest; can you tell us what will become of the earth, after Jesus returns? And according to you, a christian, especially after he raptured you, taking you to Christian heaven? Or is the earth that heaven? Lol.

@Modupe01: « #27 on: Yesterday at 02:52:41 PM »

Quote from: Abuzola 1 on November 28, 2009, 11:27 PM
Shut up, jesus is Isa
Can you tell us what you then call Esau in the Qur'an?

Esau the biblical brother of Jacob, the other son of Ibrahim, apart of Ismail and Isiaq, the sons of Yaqub, except Yusuf and all the daughters of these men, none of them was mentioned by name in the Quran! I can tell you that what you have in the Bible is not necessarily going to find the light of day i the Quran!

Like all the sexualities of Isaac, jacob's conning actions in the Bible, we do not have in the Quran!

@askat: « #17 on: November 28, 2009, 09:21 PM »

@ niyi, I will say that it is both, because God reveals to them by allowing them to see it.

Go and check the bible especially KJV. the book of matthew is titled '' THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO MATTHEW '' likewise mark,luke and John.

The Word of God is forever settled in Heaven. It is a mystery and No one can question God about it. That is why the Bible says, No one is permitted to add to it or to remove from it.

And then Paul came with the Epistles! No? Thank God you said the case og Jesus is with God, alne, and at least you didnt say the case of Jesus is with Jesus alone!

@Chukwudi44: « #12 on: November 28, 2009, 02:54 PM »

At least christians have evidene poutside the bible to prove the crucification of Jesus and the existence of christianty during the roman era but there is no evidence anywhere outside the koran to substantiate the claim that islam existed before prophet mohamed.

These swiss chess argument gives muslims greater armonitions. Let me ask you, before Jesus or during Jesus, were there Christians? If there were none, please let me define Christianity to you: It means Christ-like. What is Christ-like? I will expect that it is to act like Jesus in everything, including his worship method with his Lord, as he say that his Lord and God is but One God. I will expect such a person to prostrate his face as jesus did in the garden of Gashesmane.

Now, I ask, what is Islam? Islam is the act of submission of one'e will to the Will of God. Jesus submitted his will to the Will of God, as he said in the Bible " not as my will but Your Will". All other prophets (AS) before Jesus, Noah, who built the ark as God Commanded (a Will), Ibrahim are just two examples submitted their wills to the "Will" of God! This shows that Muhammad (AS) and his followers, the muslims are in the same phase of will submitters as all the previous will submitters (prophets (AS) and those who followed them, foot to foot, step by step).

The roman historian tacitus confirmed the death of Jesus in the first century
Tacitus writes

Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judaea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular. Accordingly, an arrest was first made of all who pleaded guilty; then, upon their information, an immense multitude was convicted, not so much of the crime of firing the city, as of hatred against mankind. Mockery of every sort was added to their deaths. Covered with the skins of beasts, they were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as a nightly illumination, when daylight had expired

First century is first 100 years. Just imagine if a lie had been passed around for the last 70 years of that century. Do you expect the writer to say anything different? Imagine a thing that happened after 911, or what did not happened. There was no yellow cake from Niger republic to Iraq, but Dick Cheney managed to repeat that lie enough that Colin Powell staked his reputation, legacy on it and the war began in Iraq! Thats less than 10 years, this decade, still, so imagine how gullible people are to a lie that has existed for a century. Do you think that anyone will know it was a lie, except a challenge to that lie as the Quran made it bringing about the truth, full circle, reawakening it?

@Twend:« #4 on: November 27, 2009, 04:15 PM »

niyi ,yje 4 gospel showed clearly dat JESUS CHRIST was nailed to the cross,check out wat JOHN 19vs15,18 & 23,LUKE 23v 21, MARK 15v 24, MATTHEW 27vs 22-31. All the gospel neva hid the fact that JESUS was nailed on d cross & shed his blood 4 d redemission o our sin.

Being nailed does not mean being dead! Being shot even though it is more deadly than being nailed, neither always translate to being dead! And if a person were to die on the cross, according to the Israelites his soul is cursed. With this type of heavy cursu=ing how can blessing as said "redemssion" come out of a cursed soul? Shouldnt the soul be saved for the heavy curse, first? lol.

@askat: « #5 on: November 27, 2009, 04:25 PM »

@Niyi53, it is you that is contradicting yourself. How can a someone go to the grave without death. mat 12-40 is not talking about the rescue of Jesus. Jesus was talking about Jonah as a sign for the people that He was going to be in the grave for three days. If you are not clear with KJV read another version for clarity.read it from vs 38 to 42

When did Cave becomes Grave? Cave is a natural hollow/space in the earth, like where Osama bin Laden is reported to be hiding in the Tora Bora tribal regions between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Grave is normally dug out to specifically put a dead body and must be filled back with the dead. Lol.

Tell me if Bin Laden who remains in the cave has been dead for over 8 years, now, making him a better miracle man than Biblical Jesus, No? As much as I admire your challenging Niyi53 about Jesus death since he believes that he also dies, your position is completely wrong and ignorance because of your religion. Nyi53 wrong position is because of lack of good understanding of Quran because Allah says also that if Muhammad dies, will you turn your back on Islam? When the verse was revealed Muhammad was still alive!

@Niyi53, was the above telling you that Muhammad was already died at the time of the verse? The answer would be no. Further, there would not be any reason to return Jesus alive to earth to fight Massiah Dijjal, etc if he was already dead! He would only be raise from his grave in India, if that is the case. Please improve your aqeedah!

Nuclearboy, Viltron say Allah is the Proper name of the Creator, not because the Muslims make that name up. But He says that is His Name. Read the Quran and you will see many verses about this; Surah Hasr. Surah Rahman, and many others.