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 Politics › Re: About The Name ‘Yoruba’. By Prof. Stephen Akintoye. by Olu317(m): 12:48pm On Nov 04, 2019 |
bluke:Funnily, the story of this man was also captured in Yoruba's history/myth as their original ancestor from Ora mountain known as èbórá/àbórá. Though Abraham is an English's interpretation for him which is popularised through their transliteration and phonetic spelling.The man's name through pictograms/ideograms lettering was אַבְרָם a-b-r-m/e-b-r-m,which is ebrm or abrm which is pronounced as ‘abram' /aboram/eboram through was what was founded in older Semitic pictograms before little diacritics made its way on the classic Semitic language which is about a thousand year ago. Interestingly, Ora/awra/Or exist in Hebrew's history in Middle East as the land from which Abram was born though his ancestor migrated to that land from the mountain or hilly side of Or from among his closely related group called Khanan/Canaan; which in meaning, ‘same thing or same people in both Yoruba language and English transliteratiion, phonetic spelling. This said man moved out of Ora/Or in Iraq to many places before he settled in around mountain Moreh/Moriah,which Yoruba know as Oke Moore. Abari is not Hebrew because I know the word Yarib exist in Iraq even in Oman, Yaruba exists. Interestingly, Yeorubam/Jeorobam exists prominently in Hebrew's history than any group in Middle East because these Northern kingdom was invaded and destroyed by Assyrian kingdom around 600BC. And it has nothing to do with Migration from Middle East of Oduduwa because he died over 4000± or 5000± years ago. Infact, Yoruba ifaodu practitioners and yorubas were never idol worshipers though they did veered away from God the same way some pastors, some practising and non practising Christian does today,w which was contrary to the Yoruba Christians of European orientation in middle 18th century that wanted to destroy Yoruba history through ignorance. So, 16th century of Yarib has little connection with Yoruba in deep forested West Africa even if Sultan Bello mentioned Yoruba as Canaan people. Do you know yoruba worshipped Ela ? Go to Ileife to confirm it. In the full knowledge of Ela, he brings ‘Ala' ( purity,light,white,holiness) .This is the daily thing you do in the morning as Christian or as Muslim when you pray to God;deity. This Ella is the name of God in Ancient Hebrew pictogram but Yoruba European oriented Christians, in middle 18th century said, Yorubas worship idol in Ela and called him god of Ifaodu. This same God Is Allah in Arabic. Who is been fooled? This is the reason so many names are not decoded because these European Christian oriented Yoruba people don't have knowledge of Yorubas from their original home in the same manner, you will find some Ifa practioner claiming Ifaodu is a black/dark skin religion, when in fact Ifaodu's colour is ‘Ala'(brightness white/purity and has nothing to do with one group but all humanoids. This is the reason Yoruba real scholars need go back to understudy the said Middle East Classic Semitic language onnection which is actually the foundation of the Yoruba people. Furthermore, the first letter of ancient Hebrew represent a bull/ram/oxen, which is known as ‘aleph' of ancient Hebrew.This is an inscription drawn from lightning/thunder in classic semitic language of the ancient Hebrew, that's transliterated as el(ə)/al(æ) which is might/strength.This inscription is what is seen in Ora ninuife(Oramfe) which Oyo clan interchange their own for Ajaokuta's (Sango),which is seen in original Ose as symbol of thunder( the symbol of the axe isn't axe in the ancient Yoruba's ancestors lettering but thunder interloping over the other in an X form which an handle is attached to it ). This inscription stand for élé/àlé which is the might/strength drawn from God who controls lightning/thunder. 1 Like |
| Politics › Re: About The Name ‘Yoruba’. By Prof. Stephen Akintoye. by Olu317(m): 11:46pm On Oct 30, 2019 |
MetaPhysical:Greeting to you from me . As far as I am concerned it is not supposed to be over flogged as being done right now by some mischievous people to gain unnecessary attention. And if the Yoruba ancestors from around 15th century did worked extra hard as did their forebears, perhaps, development and expansion of their technological know how and all what need be done to achieve greatness wouldn't be farfetched. And doing so, the wrong definition of the meaning of Yoruba would have crept up in the first place,which is the same way some evil people did to the creation of the world in Yoruba's mythology by the addition of Obatiseala as creator, Odua and Obatisheala as part of creation link when in fact, these Two myth aren't part of creation in the original ese Ifa that did mentioned or un mi ela as the master of creation because ela is the creator of all things both animate and inanimate. It is based on my research that I discovered that Yoo ru ba is a descriptive identity of the people who bore it now because no people in Africa use the word ‘ba' to tally with domineer except the Yoruba hierarchial or monarchial or man of high reputation, father etc. Thus, Yoo is identified with break forth, appears, rejoice at seeing the appearance. Ru is identified with rise above, lifted up while ba is lord/King/one who domineer over. Furthermore, common sense ought be applied even if there is a confusion over the etym of the word which i don't believe existi. Therefore Fulani, or Hausa didn't give us the name. 1 Like |
| Politics › Re: About The Name ‘Yoruba’. By Prof. Stephen Akintoye. by Olu317(m): 10:00pm On Oct 30, 2019*. Modified: 12:02am On Oct 31, 2019 |
bluke:First, I have no intention of over stretching this matter because, I know Yathrib history from the angle of Yemen. In fact, Dierk Lange mentioned, in ‘The Lost Tribe of Israel', where he did extensive explanation on the history of Yoruba as ancient Hebrew descendants and mentioning Yerobam(Jerobam) a northern Israeli kingdom that was razed down and expelled from their ancient land as well as Yathrib as a name of Yoruba which he later submitted that it was impossible for Yoruba to be Yathrib because the conquered cannot bear their conqueror's name with pride since they suggestively chased Yoruba out of their kingdom,which is logical. Furthermore,a popular group in Oman bears semblance name as Yoruba because they were known as the Yaruba (Arabic: أسرة آل يعرب) (also spelled Ya'Aruba or Ya'arubi). They became prominent as rulers of Oman between 1624 and 1742, holding the title of Imam .As far as I am concerned, I am familiar with the history of Mesopotamia because of her land's fertility to cultivate, terracota etc to work. And I am sure you know Yathrib was not yet born because Ismael the progenitor of Arabs was not in existence as at the earlier period of Mesopotamia,where the Sumerian culture was the most developed. |
| Politics › Re: About The Name ‘Yoruba’. By Prof. Stephen Akintoye. by Olu317(m): 9:42pm On Oct 30, 2019 |
geosegun:Yes, the Olifa/Onifa/Adifa did made mess a bit about of culture in a way because they manipulated free service to money making avenue and thereafter the Western educated oriented Yoruba scholars now did heavier mess by calling our way of serving God as devilish though God's love still shield Yorubas by holding firmly underneath to their ancestral religion. An Ifaodu that is the religion of the world. |
| Politics › Re: About The Name ‘Yoruba’. By Prof. Stephen Akintoye. by Olu317(m): 1:04pm On Oct 30, 2019 |
bluke:Yarib is not associated with the Yoruba's etymology because, Yarib is a name identified with a group of Arab's descendants who lived in Arabia peninsula of Yemen that were Muslims at one time with in Near East history. The etymology of Yarib is different from Yo oru ba which was borne out of a people who use bá/aba/uba for father, king,lord,one who domineer over. The name Baba is a Semitic name or with an Asia origin amongst Islam, Sikhism, Hinduism,Yoruba Hausa, etc which means, holyman, a spiritual leader of some sort while Ba/Aba is used both by Hebrew and Yoruba group which means, ‘father'. So, it is easy to trace the meaning of Yo oru ba if one consider the manner at which Yoruba interacted with Tapas,Hausas,Gambaris etc outside her domain with other people in their migration from one area to another. Interestingly, Oranmiyan was the one whose identity was identified with ‘Ba' after he left Ileife in southwest and led the group as the prince with their ancestors language to the Igodomigodo and Oyo Ile which a small yoruba settlement before she grew to an empire in later years. As far as my studying pictograms/ideograms convinced me of the Yoruba ethnic group as Semitic people from foundation. So pathetic are the people who can't read and decode the inscription on Opa Oranmiyan and Opa Ogun etc but are coming up to lay fallacious claim to what they don't have knowledge on the etymology of Yoruba's meaning. As bad it is, a so called Professor came up and posited that Yoruba has degoratory meaning in Hausa or fulani language. It is so sad with all these tneory upon theory without fact when in fact, the etymology is as simple as ABC. |
| Culture › Re: Lagos Belongs To Us – The Bini by Olu317(m): 9:53am On Oct 30, 2019 |
An other sign of madness, speaking about a made up character as if he were real and even using the fairytails as a point in a debate. Grow up. Oduduwa is no different from Hercules and father Christmasd, he was made up by Awolowo.Just imaging how ignorant you are! Indeed, it is on a large scale. Continue to misinform people out of jealousy about Odua. For your infomation the name of the man who ruked in Nigeria's Ileife is Oshi/Oshin if you think he is a myth like Hercule or your own Father xmas. As far as we are concerned, he is as real a your breath because he has descendants all over the world. |
| Culture › Re: Political Correctness: Who Is This Oba Alado Awaye? by Olu317(m): 9:31am On Oct 30, 2019 |
scully95:Since you know where Ifaodu emanated from,can you teach us the place of his origin? |
| Culture › Re: How Lagos Yoruba Dialect Developed by Olu317(m): 8:50am On Oct 30, 2019 |
scholes0:Isọ is correct. And I am familiar with a Yoruba dictionary which is written by some couple of Yoruba scholars in 1911. The input of these Yoruba scholars , Yorubanised Shop and called it shobu. In fact, it is where ‘ eshù' is termed as devil which was copied from Samuel Ajayi Crowther's dictionary. Secondly, mọmọ is not anciently a Yoruba word,irrespective of how it has become adopted in today's and recent past. I know this because, Iyè is ‘mother' in the older Yoruba language though it is maintained in dialects across board and it only metarmophised into ‘Ìyá' through development of Yoruba language in later century. It is important for us to know there are loaned words in all world's language and Yoruba isn't different. In fact, Yoruba language is very dynamic in nature because at every contact with new groups, she switch her language between her language with the scantly words of the teacher's language. Although, Yoruba language has survived through 5000+ of years through storage via Ifaodu oral account, which were used as a means of reconstruction of Yoruba past in the Semitic region. Interestingly, a lot has not been done on discovery of Yoruba pictograms by uncountable Yoruba scholars because these Yoruba scholars actually underestimated the Yoruba language's prowess which begun as pictograms/ ideograms in the ancient time during Egyptian era, Assyria's,Persia's, Greek's, Roman's etc period. This may look shocking before a lot of people but it is true which can fathomed through knowledge of interpretation of ideograms or pictograms. |
| Culture › Re: How Lagos Yoruba Dialect Developed by Olu317(m): 5:23am On Oct 27, 2019 |
googi:There are Yorubanised English words in Yoruba language though little. One example is Shop is which is Shobu. Another example is mummy which moimi/momi/maami etc. |
| Culture › Re: How Lagos Yoruba Dialect Developed by Olu317(m): 5:11am On Oct 27, 2019 |
Osaze007:Not so true. Despite the influence of Oyo's dialect, the lagos Yoruba is an all round Yoruba dialect with a funky accent,which is missing in Oyo dialect. It is as likened to Australian English which is an older form of spoken English compared to The British English which has undergone more modernity than the Australian's, despite the fact that history has that British citizens who were Criminals and rebels were taken into Australia during the earlier time in Britain's history as prisoners abode. Interestingly, today's American English accent is seen as an alternative by speakers of English language compared to the Teacher's accent, which is the Britain's. The point is that Oyo dialect was in use at the beginning of Yoruba's contact with English people, when western education was brought to yoruba land. Th returnee slaves had knowledge of English language and use the Oyo dialect with infusion of Ijesa,Egba,Ekiti,Ijebu dialects etc to it. Thus, her dialect begun to be used within larger Yoruba populace while all dialects are still retained. Unlike other groups, Yoruba dialects has no substandard because they are same but many are older dialects, which are differentiated only by accent. 2 Likes |
| Culture › Re: I Am Dominican From Dominica Republic... ASK Me Anything. by Olu317(m): 4:07am On Oct 27, 2019*. Modified: 4:43am On Oct 27, 2019 |
khia:What I described? I don't get your point. Early Egyptians were Nubians,Ethiopians, Olmec people etc, whose countenance: A hollow face and a wide, flat nose. Greeks called Egyptians and Scythians Niger(Negroid) is an old word which was used in Antioch on Simeion Niger of Antioch. And there is no place in history that Simeon Niger was known to have had a hollow face and a wide, flat nose, which is different from the ancient Egyptian's Sphinx, that affirmed the identity of ancient Egyptian authority. After all archeological finding has shown this to be true description of early Egyptians and not the later one who were of different ethnic groups,where intermarriages changed the facial feature of the Egyptians Nubians and Ethiopians descendants etc. |
| Culture › Re: 30 Things You Should Know About Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther by Olu317(m): 4:12pm On Oct 26, 2019 |
The concurrent failure of our fathers during the era of returnee captured Yorubas brought the discrimination against Yoruba tradition because of their preference of Western's Education over the Yoruba tradition of Ifaodu and Ela worship. This Yoruba progenitor Ebora's identity was the one identified as ‘Abari', which is, one who accompany. Interestingly, the Yoruba ancestors were the descendants of this great man because the pictograms of the Semitic inscription correspond with this fact. To buttress this point, God in Hebrew as is written as Ella and Arabic's Muslim religion as Allah (God). The Arabic's religion grew out of Yoruba's which is from Hebrew's. And in today's world, Yoruba's Ela(Elu orogbo) is whom the Christianity worship till today. Unfortunately, around 1800s Yoruba Christian missionary did harmed the Yoruba language by condemning incantation and uplifting prayer  .These people see evil in everything Yoruba as it relates to shẹ́bọ and accept the Hebrew's Zebah as a way of life of the ancient people of God in the Bible.These two word actually mean sacrifice in both Hebrew and Yoruba lexicon. Can you see, how these Yoruba scholars failed to understudied Yoruba religion? They did all these evil against themselves because of how they look at Yoruba tradition. Funnily enough, these people didn't realise that ‘Esu' is an Hebrew's ‘Esua' word from ancient time. And at the peak of the name, it is known in Yoruba's as/Adamo Orisha The same way YHWH is ‘Iwa' , if it phonetically transliterated. Insted of these people to do seious study than antagonising but they decided to discredit the same people whose ancestors wrote the scripture that became known as the Bible in today's world. |
| Culture › Re: 30 Things You Should Know About Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther by Olu317(m): 7:52am On Oct 25, 2019 |
nairalandposter:No, the Yoruba didn't sell themselves at any time in the past until Oyo became destroyed at her first Location in Oyo Ile. The Yoruba kings or Duke killed a rebel ,imprison such culprits, or banished such people if the sin is beyond redemption . Even, it is on record that one of the Sultan complained bitterly about the reigning Alafin for the sale of Northerner before Ilorin rebelled under Afonja to destroy Oyo Ile, of the sale of his citizens to Christains. After the fall of Oyo ,raiding and pillaging in Yoruba land ensued through the West from Dahomey and Northern part from Yoruba (Muslims) ,Hausa oriented in yoruba land men who were servants to Yoruba dignitaries,Arab settlers who had intermarried with Yoruba people,Tapas who had married into Yoruba and East throrugh Bini group but all these people were quashed after 1840 In Yoruba history there is no part of Yoruba that had depletion of men except when there were invasion which men and women alike flee their town. In fact, Yoruba men married women in geometric rate in that era because of their wealth . For instance , a king, warrior, prince,chief, rich man,priest who can marry (not all priest can marry in Yoruba tradition etc did marry into different ethnicity on arrival to Nigeria and when they marry,some of the wife's family become conscripted into Yoruba family. Yoruba kindred in their different village know who is who among themselves. 1 Like |
| Culture › Re: 30 Things You Should Know About Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther by Olu317(m): 8:42pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
nairalandposter:Oyo is actually the biggest slave trader amongst the Yorubas and the slaves aren't Yoruba stock because we are seen as Orishas but from Dahomey,Ashanti, Hausas, Tapas etc were their targets until the collapse of Oyo,which led to capture of Yorubas known as Anago,Ketus,Aku people. On the oldest language, Eastern Yoruba dialect is the oldest and not Northern Yoruba language. Infact, the Northern Yoruba is a drift away from the original Yoruba language which is spoken in Western, Eastern, Central, and partly Northern Yoruba enclave. It is on record that North West Yoruba(NWY)is the dialect being used in school which is slightly different from the majority of the Yoruba dialects because it didn't mingle with non Yoruba as did Oyo dialect. This doesn't mean Yoruba language isnt intelligible amongst all the speakers. |
| Culture › Re: 30 Things You Should Know About Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther by Olu317(m): 12:35pm On Oct 24, 2019 |
LifeQuest:It will derail the purpose of the celebration of this legendary personality.Perhaps, another thread on him will make me justify my point about his error on castigation of Yoruba religion, tradition,names and coinage of new Yoruba language from the zealous Yoruba Christians perspective through some lexicon of Oyo dialect and accent. 1 Like |
| Culture › Re: 30 Things You Should Know About Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther by Olu317(m): 7:09am On Oct 24, 2019 |
nairalandposter:Even if I feel bittered about some wrong information in his misinterpretation of characters inside the Bible,still I recognised the fact that Rev. Samuel Ajayi Crowther is a Legend. |
| Culture › Re: Some Chronicles About The Fulani-yoruba Tussle For Ilorin by Olu317(m): 7:08am On Oct 23, 2019*. Modified: 7:24am On Oct 23, 2019 |
Donald95:Just look at this clown going to seek interpretation of the meaning of ‘Yoruba' with empty rhetoric without evidence from English translator. Obviously, I am done with you because you're as ignorant as others whose views are based on assumption. Therefore continue in your ways  . |
| Culture › Re: Lists Of Yoruba Names And Their English Meaning. by Olu317(m): 1:32am On Oct 23, 2019 |
mamathrice:The name Ifakehinde ,contracted doesn't necessarily need to be associated with twin because Kehinde has to do with second arrival or the last arrival. Though it is an Awo name which was derived from Ifaodu practitioner's ordination. The bearer is either an offspring of an Ifaodu's priest who has mastery knowledge of the religion or someone who seek help of male child birth through the Ifaodu and after the child was born , he became identified with the religion, in which the child could become consecrated to the priestly lineage of the religion directly or indirectly as a practitioner of it. Ifa or Odu as Prefixed to name is highly revered in Yoruba land because most of the ancestors of these names are priestly lineage, or knowledgeable kingly lineage who understand Ifaodu doctrine. Secondly, Ifaodu isn't a diety from the simplest way you look at it but that which draws from the base or foundation of creation. The base of creation is where the Yoruba language was stored over 1000s of years ago,which is the reason Yoruba claim to be the earliest citizens of the world even if this isn't true to a large extent. Still,Yoruba ancestors had knowledge of the creation of the world through Ela,who created the world and spoke to Yoruba ancestors through geomancy (cast lot) 2 Likes |
| Culture › Re: Lists Of Yoruba Names And Their English Meaning. by Olu317(m): 12:40am On Oct 23, 2019*. Modified: 1:07am On Oct 23, 2019 |
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| Culture › Re: Some Chronicles About The Fulani-yoruba Tussle For Ilorin by Olu317(m): 5:24pm On Oct 22, 2019 |
Donald95:Show me in the Hausa lexicon where, ‘Yaribawa' is stated as meaning, ‘Deceit'? Here you are fuming as if you know it but you know nada on this subject matter. Funny enough, Yaudara and ru ɗi (noun)are used interchangeably for ‘deceit' . Ignorance is not just a disease, but a pandemic of it. So,continue feel pathetic about what you don't have knowledge on. |
| Culture › Re: Some Chronicles About The Fulani-yoruba Tussle For Ilorin by Olu317(m): 11:56am On Oct 22, 2019 |
Donald95:Now,I know you because you are actually known as ‘nye mu mmiri' , which became contracted to Yinmirin~ 1 Like |
| Culture › Re: Some Chronicles About The Fulani-yoruba Tussle For Ilorin by Olu317(m): 11:09pm On Oct 21, 2019 |
Donald95:Just look at a Yoruba man who doesn't know the actual history and the people who are Ilorin indigene. You see People like you remained the reason Yoruba's history is being mocked. Please, go read, ‘Ilorin –The journey So Far', BY L.A.K. Jimoh. This alone will let you see the lineages who made up Ilorin,so that you will realise,that the change of power were just out of rebellious action by some element among the Yorubas of Ilorin who knew Afonja as a man warlord,while he was never ready to be a Muslim and after his death, they thought Islam will give them victory over Yoruba towns seen as idolaters until they were defeated in 1840 by Yoruba's, who were led by Ibadan warriors . History, has it that at first, Olu Ilorin was the identity of the ruler of Ilorin before the title was changed in 1980s when the reigning Emir was installed,which shows that the Ilorin hierarchy was not tampered with by any outsider or Sokoto caliphate. After all Balogun position doesn't exist in Caliphate warrior ranks. Interestingly, Islam had existed in Yoruba land since 14th Century before the revolution of Uthman Dan Fodio , yet Yoruba didn't see it as a religion that was better to Ifaodu religion. As at today, Ilorin people still engaged in day to day herbology and usage as other Yoruba towns do. The point is,that you should stop portraying Ilorin as an out caste in Yoruba land because it ia not so. Ilorin only accepted Islam as an alternative to Ifaodu out of Ignorance. Part of Ifaodu is what ancient Arab,who brought Islam calls Ilm Al-raml. In doubt, In sha Allah is the same as ni ashe Ela .The word Ella is an ancient Hebrew word for God,in the same.manner as Yoruba's. My question to you is, who are the owner of God in the context of religion if not Yoruba people ? . 1 Like |
| Culture › Re: Some Chronicles About The Fulani-yoruba Tussle For Ilorin by Olu317(m): 10:51pm On Oct 21, 2019*. Modified: 11:11pm On Oct 21, 2019 |
Donald95:Are you for real? . You are a joke! |
| Culture › Re: Some Chronicles About The Fulani-yoruba Tussle For Ilorin by Olu317(m): 6:30am On Oct 20, 2019 |
Donald95:You are indeed a funny person because the reference of yours is not the truth. For instance, Abdusalam was never seen as an outsider nor a king but a cleric teacher, who never pledged alliance to Sokoto. 1 Like |
| Culture › Re: Lagos Belongs To Us – The Bini by Olu317(m): 12:19pm On Oct 16, 2019 |
oranmiyan, oduduwa, ogiso ... Those are fables, made up stories. Your claims are laughable. The Oba of Benin is 100% Edo. Yoruba never ruled over any non Yoruba, most Yoruba were even led by non Yoruba: brazilian slaves, Dahomey kingdom, Ilorin ...Obviously, you don't know much about Yoruba history. Any way, let me leave you to your opinion that's without fact. Go to do more studying instead of being bias. 1 Like |
| Culture › Re: Are There Hausa People In Nairaland? Or Just Yoruba And Igbo? by Olu317(m): 10:33pm On Oct 15, 2019 |
JikanBaura: A strong statement that needs no addition. Kudos to your ethnicity. |
| Culture › Re: The Cave Man Told The Lie The Earth Is A Globe Wake Up Out Your Slumber by Olu317(m): 1:33pm On Oct 13, 2019*. Modified: 5:31am On Oct 22, 2019 |
Breedwinner:....Wake up from slumber? Funny lad. Anyway, the secrecy of Yoruba people is in their religion , known as Ifaodu,which was founded by God of purity known as Ela or Ala. Interestingly the religion has been made manifest to the whole world in Quran and Bible, which doesn't tally with Bachwezi religion metaphysically or traditionally with Yoruba ancestors or the present Yoruba people. With due respect to your opinion,Yoruba people are entirely a different ethnic group in Africa because they have proven it severally in Art,folklore, Tradition, Twin birth, language etc . |
| Culture › Re: The Cave Man Told The Lie The Earth Is A Globe Wake Up Out Your Slumber by Olu317(m): 9:05pm On Oct 12, 2019 |
Breedwinner:Bachzwezi arent Yorubas because of their reorientation. Please Odua and Obtala issue isnt true but a mix of Odudua and Obatisala storyline because these people didnt exist in Nigeria.Alafin Oshinmole was the one who reigned in Nigeria. The Ogboni is a society that begun during the era of Obalufon Alaiyemore,which was 1200AD because some people thought Oranmiyan needed to be curtailed when he ascended the throne after Obalufon relinquished the throne. In fact, history has it that Ogboni was formed as a result to check mate Oranmiyan,when he returned back to claim the throne from his cousin, who was Obalufon Alaiyemore. Obalufon had to relinquish the throne because of Oranmiyan prowess. Unfortunately, the Ogboni didn't do much on Oranmiyan because he was a very spiritual man in Osanyi knowledge and was not curtailed. Apart from Obalufon Alaiyemore groups, earlier account and my traditon claimed Oranmiyan descendants,and other Odua descendants who aren't Obalufon don't always acknowledged Obalufon as the lord of Iron fabricators and wealth proclamation but Ogun. Plainly, there are mix up in some of these issues on Yoruba history and I know these because I am one of the group that dont disrepect Obalufon but stand with Oranmiyan stance on Ifaodu, which is the supreme religion of all society in Yoruba land . And being an Ogboni doesn't mean you are a spiritual man because whatever you take into a society like Ogboni is what you have and not that being a societal man makes you spiritually strong. Connection is what you have as an Ogboni. Beside, Ogboni only became unified in 1900s. Imale is what some of know as our religion and not Ogboni. |
| Culture › Re: The Cave Man Told The Lie The Earth Is A Globe Wake Up Out Your Slumber by Olu317(m): 10:32am On Oct 11, 2019 |
Grandium:Are you sure of these ? Perhaps, you need transliterate and translate Bachwezi into Yoruba language, to proof your point. Beside, why is Yoruba creation myth in UfaOdu doesn't mentioned Egypt but Orun,Aiye,Ileife etc that aren't found in Subsahara Africa,North Africa ? Well cognates of Yoruba language are found in Near East. In fact, there is ape folklore in eseifa in Ifaodu and different from mankind,who was ancestor of some people and not Yorubas. It is quite untrue as regard height as the factor of ancient Yorubas because it has nothing to do with being an Orisha.The word Orisha is actually derived from Ori(Ele Eda), a word identified with creator of mankind that came out of void in Yoruba Ifaodu known as Ela(Ora-un-mi-ela) and Sha (with amazement ) that became a fused to Orisha.This word became used with anyone in Yoruba people's who had been with spiritual gift from God and did wonders on earth, thereafter being deified. Plainly,Yoruba aren't from Egypt but had a footprint in that land of the Nile. Lastly, the Yoruba metaphysical knowledge Ifaodu made Ifaodu priests know the world is divided into four: South,North, East and West,which agree with the shape of the earth's being flat . It is amazing to me how many people think that Ifaodu priest aren't scientists.Funny lads everywhere. 1 Like |
| Culture › Re: Ooni Of Ife & Wife, Morenike Naomi Oluwaseyi At The Olojo Festival by Olu317(m): 7:56am On Oct 10, 2019 |
gregyboy, these are statemwnt credited to Yoruba Art when in Exhibition in the recent past. The British Museum, says, ‘By all standards, the current exhibition in the British Museum entitled, Kingdom of Ife: Sculptures from West Africa, is outstanding.' This has been acknowledged by most critics and commentators. The British press is full of praises and enthusiasm. An article by Jonathan Jones, entitled, “The divine art of the Kingdom of Benin” in The Guardian bears a headline declaring: “Harmonious and humane, the sculptures of this lost African city have a greatness that any civilisation would recognise. “ The same writer states in another article in The Guardian: “This is an exceptional exhibition, even by the high standards the British Museum has established in recent years. It is extraordinary because it brings together such a large number of masterpieces that have rarely or never been exhibited outside Nigeria before – and when I say masterpieces, I mean artworks that rank with the Terracotta Army, the Parthenon or the mask of Tutankhamun as treasures of the human spirit.” “What we see here is an African classical art – by which I mean an art with a strong concept of order that gives it a special authority, whether it comes from Athens, China or Ife. Like that of ancient Egypt, the art of Ife is perfect, remote, godlike and yet – as with Egypt – when you look again it is highly observational, rooted in the real life of this lost civilisation.” Michael Glover, in The Independent declared: “At the same historical moment that Andrea del Verrocchio was doing his wonderfully painstaking, high Renaissance drawing of a female head which can be seen elsewhere in this building, anonymous artisans in Ife were working with brass, bronze – yes, these Africans knew all about bronze casting long before the Europeans arrived to show them how – copper and terracotta to produce a series of exquisite heads that are not only the equal of Donatello in technical brilliance, but also just as naturalistic in their refinement. So much for African primitivism.” The Art Newspaper acknowledges that: “the impact of these extraordinarily naturalistic works continues to resonate today” Richard Dorment describes in The Telegraph the quality of the sculptures as flabbergasting: “This is the first show ever devoted to the sculpture of Ife anywhere in the world. The quality of the full length statues, portrait heads, ritual objects and vessels loaned by Nigeria’s National Commission for Museums and Monuments is flabbergasting. What can I say? Shows like this come along once in a lifetime.” Stephen Terence Welsh, Curator of Living Cultures at The Manchester Museum has described the Ife Crowned Head, in possession of the British Museum, shown as part of the exhibition as follows: This exquisite brass sculpture was one of the most important archaeological discoveries of the 20th century, it revolutionised the way academics and artists interpreted Africa. It is an icon. Leo Frobenius encountered or, to follow Western terminology, “discovered“ Ife art in 1910. He attributed the works he saw to some lost Greek tribe since he could hardly believe that those were the works of Africans. Wole Soyinka, in his 1986 Nobel Lecture, criticized Frobenius for his schizophrenic view of Yoruba art and the Yoruba. Frobenius was overwhelmed by the beauty of Ife art: "Before us stood a head of marvellous beauty, wonderfully cast in antique bronze, true to the life, incrusted with a patina of glorious dark green. This was, in very deed, the Olokun, Atlantic Africa's Poseidon." But the same Frobenius also expressed contempt for the people he met at Ife: "I was moved to silent melancholy at the thought that this assembly of degenerate and feeble-minded posterity should be the legitimate guardians of so much loveliness.” Ekpo Eyo, leading authority on Ife and Nigerian art, writes that Frobenius was astonished by the quality of Ife sculptures and observed that they were “eloquent of symmetry, vitality, a delicacy of form directly reminiscent of ancient Greece and proof that once upon a time, a race, far superior in strain to the Negro had settled there”. Frobenius on arrival at Ife set about to collect artefacts but even the British colonialists had to restrain him in his collection frenzy. He wanted to take away a crowned head, “Ori Olokun” but was prevented from doing so by the British colonial administration which had received complaints from people of Ife about the activities of the German ethnologists. Still he managed to take many artefacts away that are now in the Frobenius Institute in Frankfurt, and in the Ethnology Museum, Berlin, Germany. Glenn Penny writes in his book, Objects of Culture: Ethnology and Ethnographic Museums in Imperial Germany as follows: “During his travels in Nigeria in 1911, Frobenius came into direct conflict with the British authorities concerning his collecting policies in what has come to be known as the Olokun Affair. This incident developed following complaints by the inhabitants of Ife, the sacred capital of the Yoruba country in southern Nigeria that Frobenius had mistreated and deceived them, and had taken away religious objects without their consent. The principal item in dispute was the bronze head of the god Olokun, which Frobenius claimed to have “discovered” in a groove outside the walls of Ife, but which the town’s inhabitants accused him of stealing. As a result of the complaints, which followed Frobenius’s departure from the city British authorities summoned him before an improvised British court and eventually forced him to return many of the items he had acquired from the area”. The above commendation are based on Art that had been claimed to be existence on or before 1200AD which were before Yoruba met Igodomigodo(Original Oviedos) ancestors. It is of truth that Artifacts were taken away by British invaders around 1896-1897 in Edo land,which makes some pf you cry blue murder but are the Edos the only group whose Artifacts were being kept in European Countries or the West?Of course not. In fact, it is rumour tha the original “olokun” that Frobenius saw in 1910 has mysteriously disappeared. Ekpo states: “The original “Olokun” head described by Frobenius is now represented only by a copy; no one knows where the original is. It is not impossible that Frobenius could have arranged for its subsequent replacement with a copy.”, So stop making it look as if Edo Arts are as valued as Yoruba's. Beside, Yoruba ancestors scientific knowledge and religious knowledge Ifaodu helped shaped many people's lives in Nigeria which Edo is included. 2 Likes |
| Culture › Re: Ooni Of Ife & Wife, Morenike Naomi Oluwaseyi At The Olojo Festival by Olu317(m): 7:16am On Oct 10, 2019*. Modified: 8:02am On Oct 10, 2019 |
TAO11:Yes ooh sibbling, you are correct because I am very sure gregyboy and many Oviedos( children of Edo land) who were descendants of the aborigines to the land before Oranmian and his group founded that new place known as Bina(Binu) Land in Igodomigodo had always wanted to distort history about the reality that invaders came to their unorganized land with a different people, culture, myth, language,Kingly regalia, Fabrics etc. This distortion has made other ethnic groups that are not Yorubas and Edo to think, Liars like some of these Oviedos have a case ,when in reality they are bunch of people looking for a way out their misery to save face.Interestingly, Yorubas don't care about the expository of civilization to Edos. Take for instance: 1. they Claim Olokun as theirs, yet there is no where in their land(Igodomigodo), that has deposits of Artifacts that are found in Olokun Grove in IleIfe, which at at least dated back to 1200AD-1500AD,which is the date projected to be production or the ritual use of the Human Visual Arts 2. Frobenius , dug out the Head of Ori Olokun at Ileife between 1910-1912,with evidence of the location of Olokun's people and the land of origin of Olokun,which is Yoruba land. But the Liars from the other side claimed Olokun came out of Bini Land . In fact Benin British Museum says, ‘it is said that an ancient king of Benin once defeated the sea-god Olokun in a wrestling match on the beach and took from him the coral which the kings have used for their regalia ever since.' The above statement is a lie from the pit of hell. Are these Oviedos online and offline not distorting history with their perpetual distortion that even went as far as British Museum ? Funny set of people Cheers |
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