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Moorish:
That is an interesting idea.. Is there a way we can prove these things?

Some living elders might know something u know?

Well, you do have a point. It only support the saying, Òmòdè gbòn àgbà gbòn nì wòn fì dà'lèifé. And if that be the case,it means,all of us are working for the unraveling of the mysterious Yoruba hidden and lost history. Although,to be near accurate with one's finding or research as it may seem,one need a lot of authenticity of one's claim,which ,I find unchallenging because ,my oriki itself acknowledges challenges but triumph always. So,irrespective of challenges,I will triumph.

On a last note, the research is to glorify Yoruba as a Race.





Cheers bro

Moorish:
Do you have examples of some alien words found in Yoruba language ?

Yes, I do and I have release some. As I expect you to know,it is for my research work. Although, you can view some on, Arab origin of Yorubas. So also on Meaning of Adimula's thread.
I would have copy and pasted them but I have bot's problem.

Moorish:
And brother, about the earlier spat we had

I call truce

Our histories were suppressed/wiped out so I believe I need you, as well as all my other brothers to reconnect the pieces

When odduduwa says he came from the east, it could simply be kush/sudan

We all know the destruction of Kemet/egypt is what led to our downfall/enslavement

The pale skinned humans had to conquer the entrance to africa (Egypt) before penetrating the mainland

So it is very well plausible that our origins are truly eastern (egypt/sudan/kush)

There was no known man in ancient Egypt, be it lower or upper Egypt that bore such name as Odudua. The record of prominent or noble people who lived in Egypt were all written in Aramaic papyri that was found in Egypt.

But, the prominent names with close found in Egypt's history and Yoruba's were Yebu,Juda-Jews, Ilù and the land of Onias . etc

The question are:

1. Who was the father of Odua and Obatala?

2.Where did all the scientific knowledge of herbology came from?

3. How did many words alien to west Africa are found in Yoruba's lexicon?

4. Where was the land of Orù,that Yoruba ancestors said they onced lived and there were claims that the city was destroyed few times?

5. The deity known as Ra in Egypt is associated with sun. What is the meaning of Okè ‘Òrà' in Yoruba land ?


Hopefully,the scholars, the Ph.D holders and Professors on this platform will explain the meaning of Òrà in ILEIFE.

Contrary to the opinion of some of these modern day scholars, especially the ones that are basically are paying no attention to researches, Yoruba as word existed as long as the clans have been. I say this with humility, because apart from oral, I have not seen many amongst Yoruba researchers, who have been able to proof at this present time much as Olumide lucas,SamuelJohnson, and some others in the past, that took the bold steps after many western researchers kept claiming ‘migrants status of Yorubas'.

Today, information of traceable shared words of Yoruba with middle east and Egypt etc keep manifesting.
All we can be certain about is that they were a Negro people (of which ancient Egypt probably had at least one community as we have seen) and that one of the many princely states they founded on their arrival in West Africa..was Ife Conton WF (1960. 71
Although we agree with Conton that some of the Yoruban ancestors migrated from Egypt, we tend to toe the scientific line of Cheik Anta Diop, that the ancient Egyptians were pure Negroes.

Aderibigbe, an indigenous scholar, also accepts that the Yorubas migrated from Egypt. He says:
The general trend of these theories, most of them based on Yoruba traditions, is that of a possible origin from the east .Some scholars, impressed by the similarities between Yoruba and ancient Egyptian culture religious observation, works of art, burial and other customs peak of a possible migration of the ancestors of the Yoruba from the upper Nile (as early as 2000BC 1000BC) as a result of some upheavals in ancient Egypt. (AB ADERIBIGBE 1976)

Unlike Conton, Aderibigbe was able to pinpoint a cause for the Yoruban migration.Based on the different account on Odudua, Obviously, the name that Oral account claimed,it was borne out of epitome of good character, could mean,the descendants of Odua,with that title left Egypt at a very early period perhaps after the Hyksos invasion of 2000-1500BC ,but not later than 30BC.And this migration took the different people out of Egypt to West Africa.
The laughing aspects of this is that too many claimed they have record of Yoruba history but always with a deadlock, when germane questions are asked.

As far as scientific evidence is concerned,13000 years ago was the least that has been proven via the skull found at Iwo Eleru, as a clue to relate to the past of the probability of Yoruba ancestors through the present day in Yoruba land. Unfortunately, the skull didn't match Yoruba ancestors. Furthermore, the radio carbon test done on the artifacts in part of yoruba land was dated back between 1100/1200AD-1300AD
Even when there were claims by people in Yoruba land that ILEIFE Nigeria is the beginning of mankind, the radio carbon test was done and the test showed that ILEIFE was habited around 300BC with animal husbandry.

According to Sussanne Blier,in Art place of IFE,the birth place of Yorubas,there were over 40 kings before Ooni Olofin and these 44 or 43 king list can't be recalled. This simply mean,Odua group suppressed many things after they took control of the first ILEIFE.

Maybe Sussanne Preston Blier is wrong. Perhaps the people with well vast knowledge that know much of the Ikedu king list should come up with it.

godfatherx:
Ewure is goat
Obuko is male and obi is female

Egbin is gazelle

Do you have idea on the reason dog(Àjà) is also called ‘lokele?'

0balufonlll:
Brother mi, I am not going to hold truth in my stomach & spit lie out to you but I have to say that the emboldened blew me away. This is a blot on your reputation here & it goes to show you rely on the pages of internet for things you know and not books.

You made a very awfully wrong claim then went right ahead to tell me to ‘visit the place for more information’ information on what? Your wrong appropriation of the place to Obalufon? LOL. Man, you are one bold/ogboju Yoruba man.

I understand you are not a Historian by training/profession like a lot of us here but for a person who is a History enthusiast, it is obvious you are not very grounded in Yoruba history. You have a lot of work to do.

And it is even more humorously interesting that you tried to pose a connection & problem between Obalufon/Efon & Oduduwa/Ooni using a fairytale Igun. Nairaland aha. .

You have a lot of work to do. And I know in a few months or years to this time you’ll shake your head at some of your own posts.

Are you a seer to know what I studied? . Shook head on my post? Wait for it. In as much as you can't understand the richness of the oriki from critical analysis beyond the taught history at school and transferred oral account, then I shall let it lie. Little do you know oriki has deeper meaning beyond praises because there were circumstance that warrants some part in that panegyric being confrontational to opponents etc in connection to some ancestors in the ancient time.
If your part has not crossed such ,endeavor to do reseserchwork on such.

Funy enough, Ooni IFE visited Éfon Alaaye, 2018, when the town launched a book about her history

You can visit this blog below to read through,the history and oriki of Éfon Alaaye. I couldn't lay my hand on I was searching out for on my archive.


http://placesarchive..co.ke,

0balufonlll:
Well, Obatala, Obamakin & Oduduwa were contemporaries.

Prof Bolanle Awe already argued the relevance of Oriki in history writing using Ibadan as her case study. A number of works hinged on her argument such as Prof Koya Ogen’s work on the Yoruba origin of Idepe (Okiti Pupa) by tracing its Oriki to Usen, a Yoruba enclave in the midst of Edo towns. So, as far as that goes, my ogas in the field have taught us extensively back in school days in Historiography & I am very familiar with Oriki as a historical tool. Thank you.

Hmmm, quite interesting on the contemporaries case you raised here because I am tempted to doubt it .This is because Oluigbo who claim to be descendant of Obamakin,said Obamakin Osangangan was fought against and pushed away from the throne. On Otun's account, the relationship with Odudua was an adopted son and father relationship. Otun claimed to have emerged from the atlantic because, they have settlement in bit through their migration to ILEIFE in present day Lagos. And according to this account, Odua ruled majestically.

Respect to you Sir,

Cheers.

googi:
Obalufon,

I do not agree with everything you posted but I respect your view and connection to Ife. I am not sure if you missed or discount Zo Giwa connection and account.



BTW, you may be right on online writings but discerning mind know how to sort facts from rubbish.

Other disciplines including science and law know how to do that. Actually, you are one of those online writers.

Scholars now realize that if their work only comes confined to academic publications, most of them will die unread by this generation.

So be careful.

Olu317,

I still maintain that and believe the migration pattern: but back and forth from Ife in what I think our fathers sorjourned beyond our rain forest.

googi,
another one strange word deciphered by the ancient Hebrew interpreters, using the English alphabet.


Hebrew :  Ooph/ve’oph ye’oph עוּף
Meaning : fly,flying

Yoruba: onfo,oofo
Meaning:fly,flying

Can this also be coincindence?

There are staggering information that a lot don't know.

kayfra:
Mossa? That is useless info. Anecdotal at best

Anecdote? Impossible because there are 100s of similar shared lexicon of ancient words between Semitic's and Yoruba's.
But engaging you is on a futile mission.

kayfra:
I hate the reverse engineering of Yoruba culture to fit some judeo-christian narrative. It is downright shameful

No one is engineering Judeo-christian narrative to fit into Yoruba culture but ancient Hebrew that existed before Judaism existed. Do you even know Mossa was also eaten in ancient Hebrew Land as a form of unleavened Bread?
If you have problem with seeing from people's opinion who have been researching the claims by some western scholars in the past,then pick interest in reading ancient Hebrew's history. So that you will have evidence to counter some of us that have dug deeper than you people.
And if you can't do such strenuous research,then read through to add to your own knowledge.

Moorish:
Thanks for the enlightenment

I been known that yorubas, and San khoisan and massai are the only blacks with the Neanderthal DNA

I read about this before

Maybe that's why I have a huge Jewish looking hooked nose

Quite funny , ‘Maybe that's why I have a huge Jewish looking hooked nose'.
Kindly find time to look up ancient Hebrew alphabets - words and English translation. You Will be shocked.

googi:
http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=2305

Let clearly say something shocking! Odudua was the name of the man who was the founding father of the nation of his part of the larger Yoruba Nation. Ooni as title existed also in ancient Nile part of Egypt as ‘Onias' around 400BCE. Funny enough,the role they play are similar because they serve as spiritual leader and King. In as much that very few Yoruba archeologists, historians have done any comparative studies of Yoruba nation with Middle East, fact will elude the Yoruba nation of the shrewd part that has been unaccounted . Yoruba enclaves have been studied extensively by foreigners and less by Nigerians and have even been given etymology as JOROBAM , by Professor Dierk lange. Despite this, many Yoruba history have failed to consider the study of these things. And the great achievement on this Yoruba culture has been unparalleled in sub sahara Africa.


I have read the link but are you convinced of migration of Yoruba to the present day Nigeria?
Secondly, have you been to Oke Idanre to see the boat termed,‘ Oko Nua/Niwa/Noah?'

0balufonlll:
You probably forgot what you typed. Here are your own words See the emboldened in the quote.




Elepe & Akarigbo isn’t the focal point but what Ooni Olubuse said in Lagos. Have you read the things he said about Yoruba crowns?



I have left whatever it is you need to know about Oduduwa to your imaginations till you visit Idio in Ife & ask questions. There is a difference between being connected to Oduduwa & being connected to Ife ruling compounds. There is a difference between being connected to Oduduwa, being connected to Ife ruling compounds & being connected to Ife.

Thosr connected to Oduduwa are the first 8 kings starting with Olowu.

Those connected to Ife ruling compounds are kings of towns like Iwo, Ife Odan, Ifewara, Ifetedo, Sooko in Ipetumodu & so on.

Those just connected to Ife are towns such as Remo (Sagamu & all Remoland), Ijebu Ife, Efon Alaaye, Ifon, Ido Osun, Saki, Ire & so on.

While everyone is regarded as ‘Omo Oduduwa’ thosr with connection with Oduduwa are the first 8. Olowu, Popo, Sabe, Ketu, Oyo, Bini, Ilesa, Ila.




Please post the oriki here. I can’t seem to find any Efon Alaaye oriki with igun in it on google.


Thank you.

Addendum: like I said before in another post, Efon Alaaye was founded by Iraye people of Ife headed by Obalaaye. Why do you link Efon Alaaye to Obalufon in your posts?

Check the emboldened again. It says,‘ Odua wasn't Obamakin's contemporary but Obatala's and ‘Obamakin was Ogun Onire's'. This statement meant Obamakin and Ogun were contemporary.

Secondly I have the knowledge of this account on Olubuse 1 and I have read it.


Lastly,
Omo Alalede aimowo gba,
toni ki won mu osa kotu a gbale oun
Omo Afi igun rubo keru.

Let me clearly state here that Yorubas orikis have information for those that decipher and intrepet them all.

0balufonlll:
Obalufon did not found Efon Alaaye. Efon Alaaye is an offshoot of Iraye from their original settlement after being attacked and dispersed by Owu people. All the kings of Aye kingdoms spread all over still visit Obalaaye in Ife who visits them in return. They have nothing to do with Obalufon.

Fam,you are wrong because Éfón Àlaaye was founded by Obalufon Alaayemore. If you say, contrary, then provide the name of the founder,who was from Iraye.Kindly visit the place for more information. And on king's oriki, many words conscripted serves some purpose at one time or the other. Yorubas are very documented on who is who.

Moorish:
Olu I advice you to pick up a Hausa bible and compare with a Hebrew one

The Hausas are highly related to the true Israelite

I have both bibles and the evidence is shocking

Hausa, as you claimed didnt spoke the ancient Hebrew it is different from the present day spoken Hebrew that developed from Aramaic and Roman-Greek languages,centuries after.
Here is something astonishing to also ponder over.

Ibo: Oku(orku)
Meaning: fire

Ibo: Oku(orku)
Meaning: fire

Hausa:wutar-murhu
Meaning:fire

Hausa:wutar-lantarki
Meaning:light

Nupe/Borgu(Tapa): dorn
Meaning: fire

Nupe/Borgu(Tapa): dorn
Meaning: light

The Hebrew: ner/nar
Meaning: fire and light

Yoruba: ìnà
Meaning: fire and light


Do you have idea on the reason the four groups don't share same word for light and fire but Yoruba share with Hebrew?

0balufonlll:
How is the initiation of white man relevant to what we're discussing sir? And I hope you did not think of it as 'information' because the white men that were initiated anywhere into anything in Yorubaland before Susan Wenger and Ulli Bieir were 1. Leo Frobenius who was initiated into Ogboni Ibile at Ibadan and 2. Dierk Lange who was initiated into Obatala at Obatala compound.



This is interesting. Firstly can you tell your grandpa's date of birth and the age he passed? If you can not then we may just as well rest the part about Odudwa's age at his death. We are both literate enough to know that record of age keeping was a colonial instrument of record keeping. Now, having said this, if the history of Oduduwa is dug into like I said, a whole lot of people will lose relevance. Apart from kings whose compounds are traceable to Ife, a good number paid Ife kings to receive crowns from Ife - see Ooni Olubuse I's statement to the colonialists at the Elepe and Akarigbo panel. As for the story of Owa Ilesa and Otun - all of these do not in anyway negate the 'Ife fact' that Oduduwa died early. The whole brine fetching and blindness may have happened before he was killed.



LOOOOL Obamakin was Ogun? Fam you killed me with this one o. Honestly, and no insulted intended, I think all of the essay you typed here are your own imagination of what you thought or would like things to be to appease the emotional attachment you have to something within the whole thing. The 16 elders that ruled Ife included Obamakin and Obatala with Ogun being on Oduduwa's squad. If you go to Obawara's house [Obawara's ancestor was Ogun's in-law] where Osogun family is and tell them Osogun's father was Obamakin, na wahala you go cause o..

After Oduduwa's sons and followers had totally dispersed, Ogun wanted to assume the throne but he was brutally usurped [this is the Ife's historical aspect of the reason Olojo festival is celebrated if you do not know, Olojo isn't just a festival it is the re-enactment of Ogun's expulsion and his settlement at Oke Mogun before he headed for Iwara] and it is why Osogun is barred from the Ooni's palace and must not spend more than a few minutes in the palace and must be standing while communicating with the Ooni. Obamakin ruled in Ife but Ogun was expelled, QED.

Obamakin passed rulership to Obalufon Ogbogbodirin. Obalufon did not chase Oranmiyan away, it was Obalufon the Bini folks met on the throne when they needed help with government and Obalufon dispatched Oranmiyan to do the job. He came back and with Obalufon still being on the throne, he moved on to found Oyo after which he met Obalufon Alayemore on the throne and problem began again.

There is so much I can say about the emboldened but I'll bite my 'tongue'.



A lot of kings are not related to Oduduwa only 8 kings, 8! Starting with Olowu to Olubini and Alaafin. It grew to 16 during Olubuse 1 and to 20 something during Aderemi and then to 32 or there abouts. Only 8 are originally related to Oduduwa at both paternal or maternal levels.



If you are looking for details of Oranmiyan's explout in Oyo, what you need is Oyo's knowledge not Ife's knowledge. There is no way Ife's account of Oranmiyan's business in Oyo will be authentic. Like I said before, the early history of Yoruba is Ife history and Ife has records of events marked out spatially, materially and orally. Other sub-groups know Oduduwa and Obatala existed but Ife people are the ones with records of how they lived and died. It is like saying Ife has better knowledge of Olofin Ogunfunminire than the Awori. Or say because Luusi migrated from Ife, Ife has authentic information than his own people.

This is why Yoruba spirituality across Yorubaland is somewhat of a religion while in Ife it is a re-current re-enactment of history - for example, the Ajebatala (Oyo Obatala priest) is the same person presiding over Oduduwa worship and they drink palm wine while in Ife it is a taboo that attracts curses and eventual sudden death. For the Ife, Yoruba spirituality is more of history than religion. The first day I heard of Obatala/Oduduwa worship in Oyo Alaafin, I cringed.



Can you give account of all the names of kings before Oduduwa? You have the floor. Also, what does Igun mean, enlighten me.

Thank you.

Again you got it wrong! I mentioned Ogun as Obamakin's contemporary and not that Obamakin, himself was Ogun. Ogun's exploit was even more than Odua himself. Secondly,you and I don't need consent on the Épé's case because it was published. Thirdly Odua couldn't have being a young person when he died because his first son,Orangun was an adult when he left IleIfe. Fourthly, few kings may not be connected to Odua but a lot are. There is no smoke without fire. And the grand children of Odua established their own kingdoms because of Ébì system,which is traceable. Do you even know how kingdoms Luusi, his descendants and the people who followed him used his name established? So also, others before him. The point here is that many kings are connected to Odua than Obatala. Lastly, you need check the Oriki to inform if the Éfon Alaaye's oriki is against what Ìgùn is to Óonì's

Obalufon:
Ìgùn mean

Kindly check,what Ìgùn is in the panegyric of Obalufon descendants, at Éfon Àlàayè . Perhaps, you will understand the bitterness of the foundation of that town,when he Obalufon 2nd was pushed out of IFE.


Note: I don't desire to wash my dirty linen in the public but I detest distortion. Even alter the death of Oranmiyan, his sword became the emblem of unification. This only showed his strength and glory bestowed upon him through his ancestor's God known as Èlèdùmàrè.

googi:
You are dead right. Discovery of Iwo Eleru 10,000 BC of Yoruba antifacts was almost a miracle in our wet vegetation in the rain forest. As we move North, preservation became easier as the discovery of Danfonue boat or the Nork culture.

Unfortunately, Ife had to move southwards about seven times for safety.

Even at this discovery, the skull discovered isn't any Yoruba's ancestors.

googi:
Far from it. Indeed, migration of Africans is undisputed by most honest historians and archeologists. They were the Aromire and Oloko of those days found worldwide Before Christ not to mention Columbus the usurper.

I think the confusion stem from their return back to Africa as Omowale, Ola-Tokunbo etc. Some of the historians even indicated that Oduduwa had to produce evidence of birth marks and others to be accepted.

BTW, I have followed you and Olu317. Even when you guys disagree, you have been very educative. It does not mean I always agree with both of you.

If you read the early posting of Moore, he thinks Moores are from out of space until their history and lineage was stated by you or someone else.

Quite interesting sir.Much respect to you googi

0balufonlll:
In which of Blier’s works? If she really wrote that then she did a thorough job.

Asking me to give information on the age he died is like having someone ask you to give age your great grandfather passed. We both know age became a thing of record when Europeans made it a thing here. What I’ll say is, if you initiate Oduduwa & pursue a research on it, you will find that a good number of kings claiming Oduduwa links today lied. I’m not saying Otun lied nor his is claim false. What holds true in Ife, acknowledged by all groups & reflects in Idio compound/temple is the early demise of Oduduwa. For pointers, you will have to investigate why he is called ‘Afenwonro’ thoroughly.

Obalufon Alayemore is remembered in Ife today for the stability he effected. The role he played when his wife Omoremi engineered the capture of Ugbos & the diplomacy that followed.

Fam, your reaction made me chuckle. Is your ‘knowledge’ on this matter sourced from within Ife or you hold persoective from an outsider’s angle? I ask because you used words such as incoherent, improper, incorrect. I am not saying Ife verson is the ultimate but everything I said is what holds in Ile-Ife; you do know approaching it with data from outside of Ife would be some sort of conflictual.



Lol bruh, you are killing me. OK so what is the etymology of Ooni that made it start with Oduduwa or how did it start with him?
It appears you do not know or you forgot that nicknames make up panegyrics & vice versa?



Baba na you we go ask if it is not a Yoruba word o, you know say you be Hebrew. You could just enlighten us about its Hebrew origins ya know?. I already shared the minute knowledge I have on Adimula earlier on the thread sir.

You see, the distortion is the problem with Yoruba history ,especially among the incoherent information. Do you even know a white man was an initiate at one time or the other in IFE history? If people who are supposed to do the right do the right thing but ignore to do the right thing,then , the chosen ones of God, will reveal the hidden information because Èlèfumarè has record of everyone in the past,present and the future.
Whoever told you odua died young lied. This is because, his first son left IFE as a prince to found his own kingdom. Even a grandson,known later as O bù okún fetched the atlantic to cure the blindness of Odua in the presence of Óoré Otun. The same Ótun that vehemently disconnect his own lineage from Odua from beginning because Odua welcome him and his group to his kingdom. So, there is iota of truth in this information . In as much that you could not provide the exact age that Odua died ,then my information stand unopposed. Trust me you and I have no clue.

Secondly,Odua wasnt Obamakin's contemporary but Obatàlà's . And Obàmàmàkin was Ogùn Onìrè's ( Óo nì rè),that was chased away and became brutal ,thereafter.After, he was chased away and died somewhere in Shakì, Oranmiyan came. Before Oranmiyan came, he had been chased away stylishly by Obalufon 1st, but unfortunately for Obatala's group,he was chased to become well experienced. And when he returned ,he restored his ancestor's throne and civil war ensued.Today,the divine kings are the Odua's descendants. I am sure you know the adage, tì òwò òmòdèdè o bà té ékù'dà ,ko nì bèrè ìkù to pà bà ré. This was the second time of the struggle of IFÉ's throne. After Oranmiyan died, Obalufon 2nd returned to plead with people to make peace. And thereafter, Oranmiyan's descendants and his older family relatives stood against the fall of IFE.

Thirdly, a lot of kings are related to Odua because, it is either through maternal side or paternal. Funny enough the odua descedants are the ones with multiple twins and multiple birth. Dont ask why because Oluigbo has an account.

Fourthly, I have Ife's knowledge on this and Ife's knowledge isn't the only group that have knowledge on the exploit of Oranmiyan in Oyo except through áàróbà.So don't make it look as if all Yoruba history or Ife's history is solely one sided.

Fifthly,can you give account of all the names of kings before Odua? I dare you

Lastly, even you as a person do not realise,a particular exploit and nicknames are unique to some families.This is the reason Ìgùn mean something differenr to Obalufon and Odua descendants.On the etymology, I am looking for the people like you to explain the etymology too. I keep mute on it for now.

Obalufon:
No one is claiming moor here ....Moors are not a distinct or self-defined people..Moors is a believe system is not ethnicity or race of people moors were difference blacks people from difference part of Africa fula ,Senegalese North African Berbers real black Berbers not the Turk admixture , Sudan ,and middle east united under one believe system Islam with infusion kemetic science

There are people who you don't need to quote because, they simply lack etiquette. My reason is that you don't take cognisance of the manner in which people send information on threads,which justified the way they were brought up. Some people just lacked being addressed as Omoluabi.
If I had my way,there are some monickers,I would have not allow to be on some sections that are educative, especially with dirty words being displayed but allowed them read only

Cheers.

Quite funny when I read posts as being opined on human history by learned personalities but result to dirty language being used. Human history is connected worldwide,so it is ignorance,when people skipped research to favour opinion bssed on sentiments. Irrespective of different locations,that have been postulated, there is tendency of migrants rather than aborigine in west Africa. The bitter truth is that west Africa is seen as lagging behind interm of human historical account. As far as the human history is concern, no human fossil found in West Africa as at today to be among four oldest bone,if I desire to lenient or economical with the truth.It has been Proven through fossil descoveries that,West Africa was inhabited after people left places like Morroco, Ethiopia and Egyt axis.

Infact,people at one time or the other travel to different places for one reason or the other. So I do not dispute people's claim of being migrants if the evidence is provable.

What a case!

0balufonlll:
Oduduwa is a nickname alright. Iwa in old Ife/Yoruba is similar to Apere/Opo that is throne or leadership. Oduduwa may have been Odu to du Iwa - the Odu that contested leadership? Looking at the history around him, he did contest for leadership in Ife, strongly.

Olofin means Alaafin. It is the Ife’s dialect of that word. While Oyo & the standardized Yoruba use Aafin, Ife calls it Aofin. In other words Olofin Adimula means Alaafin Adimula.

Which brings me to your theory emboldened above.

It is a known fact among ‘Ife’ that Osin Ora suffered a divided town and his rulership was a mess because it greatly challenged in all quarters.

[& I do not mean just all Ife indigenes but Ife indigenes that are active in the rituals, festivals, awo, etutu, ebo, mole to mention a few].

Ife only settled after his death [contrary to popular romanticized narratives, Osin Ora did not live very long as a result of the endless rebellions he had to keep putting up with] & the town further stopped warring when one of the Ife elders from the Obatala group in person of Osangangan Obamakin followed by Obalufon l & ll took over.

In fact, this problem was serious such that Mr. Ogun who was on Oduduwa’s team was expelled from Ife & his abode (present day palace site) was overtaken after Oduduwa died.

So, no, Osin Ora aka Oduduwa did not enjoy the power he usurped and he certainly did not unite his faction & the dissident faction. His period almost consumed Ife. If anyone should be attributed with uniting/unifying Ife 13 communities then it should be Obalufon the second, he did things to carry both groups along and most importantly left powers in the hands of the valley settlers [13 communities] who also jointly directed the affairs of Ife.

So we may have to look for another reason Osin Ora was called ‘Adimula’ if indeed the cognomen began with him.

Osin/Osi didn't leave long? .Quite funny with this kind of narrative,because Susan Blier,wrote something close to this. If you are sure,then you must be willing to give out information on the exact age he died because this information is incoherent. Otun Ekiti played a role in the life of Odua. Isn't it true?
I can see your touch on Obalufon as a savior, who brought peace into the land of IFE. This is actually improper bro because it is incorrect. Be it as it may, I will ignore his personality because I have respect for Obalufon 1st and 2nd.

Secondly, I need to correct this, so that distortion wont be. Ooni as a title was a word that started with Odua and not Obalufon .

Thirdly, Adimunia/Adumila is pratically part of Odua panegyric and not a nickname of his,nor his name as you can see in the panegyric of his descendants.

On a last note, please sir, Can you shed more light on your knowledge on the meaning of Adimula and the probable etymology of it? Or is it not a Yoruba word?


Cheers

Moorish:
Olu seems you are a pacifist and you want peaceful co-existence of all making.. I want that too

However, there are injustices which must be addressed first

And by force!

Yes I am bro.And being pacist, is worth. Even if one is angered by people' attitude, irrespective of colour . We are compelled to be slow to anger but tactically prepared. This is the reaso we are called ‘Òmò tî Olù ìwà bì'. Ìwà l' Òbà àwùrè.

Force don't bring victory in battle but tactics. And in this modern time, the tactics that is needed technological know how breakthrough ,so that we will be given the needed respect from the Europeans.

Cheers

Obalufon:
Have you heard about sheik Adam ilory on history of the Yorubas

Yes Sir,I have. In fact ,he was one of those that claim and support Arab's origin of Yorubas .
You see,I have read his account on Yoruba's history. Quite interesting as it is but, he pegged yoruba only to be associated to Noble class of the Arabs .

He also mentioned, Moors,Nubians and Black(whom I feel,he meant Bantoid groups) as the other group that formed the Yoruba ethnicity. He didnt mention Ancient Hebrew in his account but some of the words he listed are shared among the Ancient Arabs, the Hebrews and the Yorubas. Unfortunately, he didn't provide shared words with other groups he mentioned. For example, he did only comparison between Yoruba and Ancient Arab,while I did the the analysis of the Ancient Arabs,Ancient Hebrews and the Yoruba's. The Ancient Arab's– (Fatilah), Ancient Hebrew –(Phateelah) and Ancient Yoruba (Fitila),which mean ‘ancient lamp with ‘wick'. So also, Ancient Arab(Āsal), Ancient Hebrew(Haylil or lel) and the Ancient Yoruba ( Àlé,Àsàlé,Iró'lé),which mean ‘Evening/Night'.

The point is that the close similarity between the Ancient Hebrew's langauge ,is too strong ,to be ignored. I do acknowledge the cleric's knowledge because, he showed and proved with some of the shared words of semitic origin that there is a possible of Middle Eastern people were among the settlers in present day Yoruba land. Certain words are present in Yoruba lexicon that are in ancient Middle East, especially western part of Middle East. and these word list are alien or not found in Hausa and Fulfude languages,which are classified as Afroasia. Take for instance, Yoruba' ‘Eshù', , which has same meaning with Akkadian's Eksu—Aksum,(waksum ) which mean; sassy,perilious, racy, tricky,dangerous.

Again, I find something incoherent between the Muslim Yorubas and Christian counterparts, because I have observed there is slight arguement between the two groups on the meaning of ‘Lord of Heaven',
And in this arguement the Christians scholars and the Muslim counterparts agree on Óló/Ólú but disagreed on the claims of Chirstian's ‘Órún' and vice versa by the Christian scholars on Muslim's ‘Óhún'.

From your understanding, which word was original used to reference heaven?



Cheers

Obalufon:
The first biological weapon used by the white pale skinned people is their devil penis to spread their demonic seeds..They would kill the males or castrate them to be used as slaves or soldiers in battle and copulate with their females to have a new breed of demons that would later see their dark skinned brothers as inferior to them ..

Not true about all Caucasians.The clay skin man Abiram/Abram whose ancestors stayed in Oru-Or were the beginning of it all about crossbreeding. And the evils perpetuated by Roman were after the moor lost the battle in the Peninsula of Spain. If the Brits acknowledged their ancestors are dark skin, then ,there is no reason to abhor hatred. Even among the lieutenants of Alexander the great, was a dark skin man that served his father and Alexander, before the man was killed. His name was Cleitus (Clitus) the Black (Greek: Κλεῖτος ὁ μέλας; c. 375 BC – 328 BC) who was an officer of the Macedonian army, which was led by Alexander the Great. The point here is that, àwô(r) foreskin type wasn't the basis for ancient powers but class and conquest.

Obalufon:
Olu who are the Yorubas? and who are the IFE's What was the language spoken by the IFE aborigines before yoruba come into existence I know IFE predate Yoruba

Hmmmm,what a big question! Well,Yoruba was a coined word by a group of IFE migrants that established OYO Kingdom. Àwòn to Yó bì ójó ,tì wòn rù bì ìnà , tì wòn báà bì àdìé to sà'bà. The history of the word, ‘Yoruba,' is lost but the etymology of it, simplify it,because the name itself is of Yoruba origin. Yoruba names or words is/are descriptive in nature.This is the reason, I contest with anyone, who claimed non Yoruba gave the Yorubas the name. My reason isnt farfetched because ,it will be impossible to give a name to another person or group, if such name can be found in such person's or group's lexicon in an innumerable ways. Unlike others,who can't etymologise their own name(s). What it means, is that; Ìyì or ubà,'/Èyì ór u bà/Yì ,ór u bà / Yoruba(this one is a King). Although, some people claim, it was an arabic origin from a chased away group from Middle East, which I don't agree with because, a chased away group can not accept a slavish name as their name.So,I stuck with the former meaning because, I have asked people and their answers tilt toward this direction.

Obalufon:
There were Egyptian with broad nose the first pharaoh of Egypt Mena had a very broad nose with wide and flat nose bridge thick lips Egyptian was a black civilization Greeks gave account of this Kemet they were blacks , blacks come in different shades and phenotype thin noses to broad nose .. Coming of the Macedonian King Alexandra the Great that conquered Egypt white wash upper Egypt

I emphasis that clearly.The ancient Egyptians in their glory were dark skin,with broad nose as the ancient Hebrew,who ruled by the former before they migrated Eastward . Funny enough, the Hebrew history is more related to darker skin than the Assyrians because the colour of their skin was amo of Yoruba word for redsoil (clay)which is the same as amah(red earth)/in ancient Hebrew.

Ancient Hebrew: adamah mean : created from red soil, earth ,
Etymologically : ada+amah = created from redsoil or clay

Obalufon:
Yes he was killed for that ..despite he himself being mixed but tied more to his black ancestry and give privilege to black Libyan but there are full blooded Turks and Syrian Arabs from Benghazi that opposed his rule ...Gadaffi over threw their Arab Turkish king Muhammad Idris bin Muhammad al-Mahdi as-Senussiin 1969

Gadaffi lost it because of fear.He simply was not given the O'oyè to rule because, when the ovation was loudest, he refused to exit. I guess, it was a purported action by Eledumare to allow such to happen.

Moorish:
Dierke Lange, the renowned Belgian anthropologist wrote a book “origin of yorubas and the lost tribes of Israel”

Sultan bello also told Hugh clapperton a British official that yorubas migrated from Palestine/Canaan

We were the most enslaved west Africans taken to America

Recent surveys of African Americans using a genetic testing service have found varied ancestries which show different tendencies by region and sex of ancestors. These studies found that on average, African Americans have 73.2-82.1% West African, 16.7%-24% European, and 0.8–1.2% Native Americangenetic ancestry, with large variation between individuals

Correspondingly, Montinaro et al. (2014) observed that around 50% of the overall ancestry of African Americans traces back to the Niger-Congo-speaking Yoruba of southwestern Nigeria and southern Benin, reflecting the centrality of this West African region in the Atlantic Slave Trade.

That enslavement was prophesied in Deuteronomy and our kin in america know it’s nearer the time for battle and liberation.

We are truly the chosen

Trust me ,Yoruba is a Race and not just an ethnic group.

0balufonlll:
Baale is what we call it here; a contraction of Baba Ile. I didn’t trick you, I assumed you would figure it out regardless of the accents. At least you now see we have regional differences but group differences. Within each region there are still core differences.

Cheers, fam.

All well and good. If you critically check the bone of contention, it still boils down to same. Funny enough, you will be amazed at words that can not be coincidental except the speakers did carried them along to the new found words.
Do you know the 10 words I listed earlier had same meaning witth Semitic of ancient Hebrew? What ever word you can imagine in the list I posted earlier equates with ancient Hebrew.
I had no intention to link Yoruba with any group as it relates to linguistic except what I have found. Revelation is what's called.

Trust me,it will shock you.

Respect Fam.

Obalufon:
I'm direct descendant of obalufon from ile-ife ...Obalufon remain the king he still lives on .but not in mortal body again he lived for very long years before turning to stone he still breathe as a normal human and live on likewise his father Obalufon ogbogbodirin he lived for 2000yrs plus ogbo ogbo odi irin he lived for extremely long years aged and turned to IRON ... that is why after coronation of a new king.. the king is forbidden to pass through obalufon area in IFE

Did Yoruba borrowed the word Ìrìn from Iron or coincidence? Both mean the same and sound alike.