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MisterDreamz:
Ifa kan o si ni paara(Sanmo)

Adiye Irana...

sánmón is a modernised Yoruba word ooooo ( Ofúrúfú or òórún is proper Yoruba ooo). All good though


Cheers

0balufonlll:
If you had read the PDF file in that link I posted you would know you just embarrassed yourself with this one post.

Mr. Odua must be shook in his grave right now.
I’m looking forward to more posts from you, for amusement purposes of course.

Which Pdf ooo oga professor?! Post again and let me see it.
Mind you, every researcher must criticise another man's work to achieve his aim.Why are you disappointing me?
Oh lord have mercy, the work of Olumide is still being used for reference. I can even post a Phd student that used it in his work on Yorubas in Cuba

Read books bro from : Philade Leo, Tariq Sawand,Geofrey Parrinder,Archeologist Omoleya , Dr. Farrow , A.C Burns,Dierk Lange , Sir Harry Johnston acount on west Africa in April 1914 etc

Sorry, bro you are the one that need to do more work not me because I am already in the field doing research... And if you so desire to halt it then wait till the right time and make sure you re a linguist .But you will be disappointed

Contrary to your opinion, my ancestors won't be disappointed in me because they were the DIVINE KINGS THAT ACKNOWLEDGED ALMIGHTY ELEDUMARE. And knew things people didnt know and knew things that are strange to a lot of people which always gave them an edge. Trust me,my research work is bigger than anyone!











Mon frère,
bon Journèe,
Proudly omo Odua.

To the people who aren't knowledgeable beyond the territorial Yoruba enclave in Nigeria, should try to read more on Egyptian Pharaohs or do research on them. Ranging from the period of King Hezekiah of Juda ,when he sent troop to fight on behalf of Egyptians,the era of King Josiah of Judah, who was killed through the injury he sustained via the arrow shot at him in Meggido, The Babylonian conquest of Egypt, Alexander conquest,Roman conquest of Egypt and who the Hykos Pharaohs were. So as to see why there were presence of ancient Egyptian lexicon's presence in Yoruba's....

I had to do this because I don't cherish just opinion from some anti reality set of people that their world is centred in one area that has a dead end but kindly back your fanciful views hinged on researchers work...

To the do or die Yorubas on NL,who keep thinking aboriginal status of Yorubas in Nigeria as the oldest. I will always mock your ignorance because , Sorry ,I am here to disappoint you again and again that, Ibos' ( south eastern people)existed in Nigeria,also older and predated Yoruba's....

HOW IS IBOLAND IN EASTERN PART OF NIGERIA OLDER THAN YORUBA'S?

One metallurgical complex, dated to 765 BC, iron ore was smelted in furnaces measuring a meter wide. The molten slag was drained through conduits to pits, where it formed blocks weighing up to 43-47 kg. The operating temperatures are estimated to have varied between 1,155 and 1,450 degrees C (Holl, 2009). Some radiocarbon dates for iron smelting in this region go back to 2000 BC (Eze-Uzomaka, 2009). Yoruba land don't have any artifacts that equal Ibos in archeological radiocarbon test.


When you hear the truth,acknowledge it ,then you are set free.



Proudly Odua descendant

Continue ......Being studious is all you need to see through. In as much as you don't have knowledge of these middle east knowledge or Asia History, then I rest my case on you because as I had said earlier, go study to counter me.

Ferdinand de Saussure, says,‘the surest way to prove a cultural contact between peoples is to adduce linguistic evidence (Ferdinand de Saussure (1972) General HISTORY OF Africa).Olodo like you, Kindly engage a linguist to explain to you on how to match two words to see if they are related or not. Honestly, keep trying and you will get there. So with your seriousness ,you didnt know the modern spoken Hebrew you picked up as water developed in phases from the ‘mem' , probably from the word mayim meaning "water." The word MAYIM is the plural form of
‘MAH', . The spoken language in Israel during Jesus Christ time were three languages(Aramaic Roman-Greek) after the extinction of original Hebrew language. . How many times do you even know Israel was occupied by other powerful kingdoms after the fall of ancient Israel? Lord have mercy on this young man and his school of thought .So you didnt know the Hellenistic revolt? , This was what led to the influence of Roman- Greek that became the spoken after the rest of Israel were taken as slaves.

I thank God that DNA tests have been done severally on all the human fossil discovered by scientists and the near time of existence has no link to Nigeria either in the past or present day . Go figure this out and learn more about the human species; Homo sapiens, Homo naledi, Homo heidelbergensis,Neanderthals and Denisovans.

So you didn't know that English language borrowed many words and anglicised them ? Go learn about the history of the English language and how other languages influenced her's


....Henceforth no time for you because you are a distraction. I have nothing to proof to you but you will keep seeing information on NL to LEARN FROM ME,the reason being that without me opening your mindset to these things, you could hardly know.... As you can see , I am making you to study

On a final note,I dont want to engage you on irrelevant issue oooo Oga anymore except you bring something tangible or you reference researchers work. Ordinarily I would have posted the ancient Hebrew lexicon and the developmental phases but I won't because I want you to spend your resource; be it monetary or time on research.


C'est fini

MisterDreamz:
Ile la n wo,ki a to so omo ni oruko.
(The state of the family/home or circumstances around a child's birth determines the child's name)

Mo iwa fun oni iwa...

oún lo njé oré jó oré

Àì gbò'fà là ún wokè

0balufonlll:
Lol I see you are getting riled up.

With your every post, your status as a neophyte looking for NL relevance seeps through. Those who know what a research is can tell you are barely read & rely heavily on imaginative composition as well as non peer reviewed internet sources. . On Yoruba language & history alone I can guess you have less than 5 paperback books in your library

While you agree that Yoruba was given a writing template in the recent century using Oyo dialect as the yardstick, you also in the same breath claimed there is/was no standard Yoruba dialect. Isn’t that contradictory to you? Do you see your lack of ability for critical analysis yet you mouth off about conducting research ? I won’t fault you though, your peak of research is at Master’s level at best & you can be excused for gaffing, you haven’t passed through the fire yet.

Let me school you, Oyo had the largest geographical area & largest population of speakers, to an extent it was the standard dialect take it or leave it. Crowther worked within this purview BUT the diacritic cuts across all accents be it North, East, South, West of Yoruba. Accents are applied the same and works the same. So just admit your knowledge of Yoruba language is zero rather than try to portray an absent image of your own knowledge.

Using ‘do’ sound on every Yoruba word & claiming to know Hebrew .

Mr. Olu the researcher, e ku ishe.

P.S: you have not made reference to any worthy scholar on your Hebrew theory other than one Olumide Lucas or so. I bet you didn’t even know the man was neither a Linguist nor an Ethnologist, he was graduate of theology.

Open your eyes very well bro from deceptive knowledge being taught to you that is already archaic in the modern world

Who told you Iam inventive?Lmao! You see ,every time, you people always run away from the germane issue because the Yoruba history is bigger than you all....
.So, deal with it .

Using, The ‘do' sound is because it is applicable to the most words I use to differentiate it from others. Instead of condemning, appreciate it because so many word are formed with the same letters but differs when pronounced in its accents,which is the reason you see them accented . Beside, you have never done anything close to accenting Yoruba words for non Yoruba to understand what you have sent online.

Like I had mentioned earlier, Yoruba history is bigger than you and Samuel Johnson's account was the basis for deeper research from the indigenous angle.
As usual, you have defined someone you have never met before from your perspective ,the same as others like you did and do to shield themselves.

Lord have mercy oooo! What is all this about someone's biography if he was this or that?
Oh k oo Oga linguist or ethnologist,I hear you. But mind you, there is noone alive or dead that can categorically claimed the exact spot where Yoruba came from through human fossil record, because science has record of all these. So keep your opinion to yourself if you don't have scholarly researched works or books to defend your case,then your view is null and void.

Lastly, NL is a place where information is a piece meal bro even if I share my vast research on it . Funny enough I am in a sizeable Yoruba groups with impeccable characters.



Cheers

0balufonlll:
I can go on & on with an appropriate response but man’s busy.

When are you going to address the false accents you are using on Yoruba words? .

Cheers.

False accents? You make me laugh. Kindly ,get this off your medulla Oblongata because there is nothing like false accents. Infact, Yoruba language became documented through Ajayi Crowther between 1830s -1840s .The Oyo dialect was the pioneer dialect that was used to rearranged the spoken and written Yoruba language that became acceptable within purview of Yoruba world. And there is and was no spoken YORUBA DIALECTS,that is or was substandard,because Yoruba is a Continuum language
So,bro like I had mentioned earlier ,you have no clue about Yoruba history.In as much as I have made references to many scholars work that saw migrants status of Yoruba, then let it rest. There is a linguistic connection,so also ritual connection.The only thing I will advice you to do, is to fold your hands and read through my posts, if you are comfortable but you feel uncomfortable then bypass them all.

I am sure you have knowlwdge on the recent scientific genetic study that claimed Yoruba had a ghost 8% of unknown ancestors that is referred to SPECIES of HOMO HEIDELBERGENSIS. So Yoruba history is bigger than just your opinion or mine. There is a well established account of Yoruba dialects that canbe found on the web.

So,kindly, visit places and you will understand that accents exists among the different yoruba groups.


Cheers.

0balufonlll:
Baba, e ku ishe.

Abeg, while you are doing your findings & discoveries, abeg, no distort the etymology & historical truth about the prefix of my surname & many other Ife aborigenes.

Olu is different from Elu & vice versa. Olu & Akinkanju are the same while Elu is an entirely different thing with a different meaing tied to history.

In summary, Elu is old Ife for village/quarters hence Ife Mefa, Elu Meje. Abeg baba, a good number of Omo Okunrin & Omo Obinrin Elu read NL and more will in the future, let us not confuse some of them who are not in tune with Ile-Ife cultural history.

Thanks baba.

God bless.

Addendum: ehen, I noticed your diacritics are not very correct. For example your:

‘Èmí òmò àrùgbò ìlè Àbìkà lòrùn’

Your Emi is do mi which gives it the meaning of emi as in life. Emi as in me/I is do re.

Your Omo is wrong. Omo as in child is re re.

Your arugbobis do do do, that has no meaning in Yoruba. Arugbo as in elderly one is ‘re mi mi’.

Your Ile is do do makes no sense either. Ile is re mi.

Your Abika is do do do which is wrong. Abika is re do do.

Now I see all your Yoruba accents are in dodo. Why do you do this?

I automatically thought you were versed in Yoruba when you said I tricked you by not outting accents on Baale (area chief) & Baale (compound head). Now looking at your posts, all of your Yoruba accents are totally wrong. I honestly do not understand sir - how do you talk about being tricked because I did not put accents on two different words but your own accents are totally wrong. Do you just use accents for aesthetics, to appear serious? Why use the diacritics at all if you don’t know how to? It is kind of fraudulent o.

This is bad for the reputation you are trying to build here as a Yoruba schoar.

Oh no no no no bro. I am ‘Olu' by real name and not just moniker. If you are damn versatile as you feel ,then don't distort. My research is strictly based on my finding. Olu is simply ‘Lord'. How on earth did Akinkanju became same as Olu ? Study Study and ask Elders. Olu was derived from the name of Lord God,Èl-èdumàrè The Èl is a prefix to the name Èdùmàrè. So please dont paint ILEIFE as if one person own it because it belonged to all bonafide YORUBAS. Have you not seen Èdumàre used severally without the ÈL? Ìlù-,Élù,-Èlu is same everywhere but tongue changes but trust me,the same way you don't know the meaning of Adimula is the same way you can't understand what is greater than you,neither am building anything bad for ancestors. THIS ONE IS GREATER THAN YOU! ,So let me be if you don't have scholarly written books to counter me.
Seek answers from Èlèdümàrè, the maker of mankind and spend your money on research.


Respect bro.
Cheers

Moorish:
It is war my brother whether you see it or not

Men who know know

Hmmm,but war is never won when it has started on the battle field but before the war,which is always ,tactical preparation and knowing enemies strength and weakness.
Wage war against enemies on their strength and the weakness will bow before you. Hit people with information and the audience will see you as triumphant.

Who told you,that you are the targeted audience on NairaLand? Oh my lord have mercy . The audience is the world and not you. I can see how bittered you feel. On my work, I have on several occassion referenced historians,anthropologist etc and the usage of EMPIRICAL ANALYSIS to buttress my research but hardly do this relevant looking Olaochi( Òlà o sì or Òlà o shì) who has never referenced any Yoruba scholar that has categorically stated Yoruba started in West Africa's Southwest Nigeria but self opinion. Non has said so Why are you pained?. Bantu is associated with many groups in subsahara Africa and is a very large group but unfortunately the pygmies genetic in Bantu is not found in Yoruba, that astounding geneticists have confirmed. Young man, you are the one looking for your identity, I AM NOT.

A liar will always be known as Judas Iscariot was because, I didn't claim Hebrew land as the solely place of Yorubas but many groups outside West Africa , even with proven linguistic connection.There are Yoruba word, with similar meaning to different ancient Pharaoh's time that Roman empire invaded Egypt. Google the meaning of ‘ blood'. Perhaps your brain will reset properly
Kindly mention people in west Africa or sub sahara Africa with sich linguistic similarities

I thank God for your life because you have seen reason to do research so that you can counter me but trust me, YOU will be LOST IN THE ANTLATIC SEA OF KNOWLEDGE . I wish you know that the group you mentioned as Japanese are in the Asia region and not in West Africa or subsahara Africa. Shared of one word you mentioned as having Japanese origin,is also closely related to Hebrew's word for ‘WATER' . Shogun is also related to Rephaim group in middle east ancestry of Hebrew enclave word for gwg(og). The Bible also mentioned this name too. See your life?

You're the biggest clown on earth . Kindly mention the meaning of your Ibo language and see if it is linked . The Ibo word, ‘Anu', is similar to Akkadian's ‘Anu', in its meaning but yoruba ‘Anu' is same meaning with Ancient Hebrew's ‘Hannan'or ‘Hanon'. Go figure it . Before Bishop Ajay crowther changed some letters unknowingly, Rev. Samuel Johnson acknowledged it in his book. For instance ‘O' letter was ‘È' letter in the ancient Yoruba time. I think I should expose your knowledge again because ‘Olu' is anciently pronounced as (Èlu),which is the same as Hebrew's ‘Èli' meaning ‘LORD'......You are toooo unstudied to challenge me.

Lastly, I have identity but you don't Mr..... . I dare you to post your real Oriki(panegyric) and proof your yorubaness. And if it is a modern day oriki,I will know and unravel you but you WON'T .





Proudly Oduan

On Linguistic similarities, Ferdinand de Saussure, says in his book, ‘the surest way to prove a cultural contact between peoples is to adduce linguistic evidence (Ferdinand de Saussure (1972) General HISTORY OF Africa)'
The book,‘ Understanding the whole student', Benjamin Lee Whorf stated, in what has become known as the Whorf hypothesis, that;
"language is not simply a way of voicing ideas, but is the very thing which shapes those ideas." An example of this is how one perceives of time'.
Unfortunately, many so claimed scholars in Yoruba land don't walk on this path of humanity as regard their field of study. And I don't blame a lot of them because, no one can give what he or she don't have.
In the course of understanding Hebrew language, that shock my knowledge, is that the ancient Hebrew language is descriptive in nature like the Yoruba's because things are called by the way they acts in both ancient Hebrew and Yoruba's unlike the English language. And over 150+ Hebrew words were Anglicised in to English language. But some of these words were daily Yoruba used words.

Lastly, I don't have regret on the chosen field I find myself because no one can give inspiration unless God and hard work.

Cheers to you all,my good brothers

MetaPhysical:
Pattern-recognition is a fundamental capability in human, it is inherent and is what aids our ability to determine discrete objects or parts-object when interacting with the space and environment around us. The power to discriminate and include or exclude members in a group, class, unit and so on. Pattern-recognition does not require academia or literacy, it exists as a skill-set for competition and survival. It should be viewed as "native intelligence".

The material and physical senses communicate with its environment by way of wavelenghts. There are energies that our senses are not sharp enough to discern, or perharps too developed to perceive. These are energies outside of our sensual experience....they exist but we have no knowledge or use for them. With tools and instruments we are able to bring some of them into manifest for different applications and utilities.

Changes in the characteristics and behaviors of wavelengths is what create patterns. Some behaviors are uniform and they do not fluctuate, other behaviors on the other hand change frequently as the wave progresses with time. The ones that do not change are predictable and we can say with a degree of certainty what to expect of it over time. Conversely, waves that change frequently do not conform to expectations and mankind is challenged to bring some stability into it or give it meaning so that he can manage the character to benefit and improve himself. We compete for who is best at manipulating and managing these challenges because, unlike predictable events, unpredictable patterns in life have outcomes that present rare but rewarding opportunities. This is the toil of man. We devote lifetime searching for variable patterns.

Those that become linguists, the ones that become historians, the authors, artists, politicians, the restaurant cook, the tomatoe seller in the market, the yam hawker, the cocoa farmer, the rubber farmer, the cow herder....we are toiling for the same thing, the endgame is to get a breakthrough and catch a rare life pattern that no one else owns but everybody needs. Education in the profile of a historian is therefore no different than a hoe in the hand of a farmer. They are tools. The educated historian cannot till the soil and time the season and migration pattern of pests like the veteran farmer can. Likewise, however much knowledge of history of the land the farmer possess, he cannot bring the antiquities and markers of greatness to life, he has to put his knowledge to the trust of the historian to clothe it with some attitude and animation.

So our quest to get to the root, somewhat, of origin of ancient Yoruba is not, and must not be, the exclusive prerogative of those trained and credentialed in history or linguistics, as has been argued repeatedly. Yoruba as a pattern has aspects which are beyond the classroom and which no historian or linguists has the knowledge, in theory or practice, to appreciate, either because there are still virgin areas not yet opened for academic studies...or an inquisition was conducted using a normal distribution theory in the stead of variability tests.....in which case we are dealing with defects in certain patterns we find ourselves grouped into. Virgin areas not yet visited by academia is not necessarily virgin to native intelligence. In essence, a combined contribution of inputs for a systemic approach to itemize and do comparative analysis of primary factors of life in a village or town, seasonal occupation of towns people, ritual festivities and deity worship by Priests, social order and organization in a King's domain, is what we must do for Yoruba in order that we can include or exclude it as a migrant race.

Language is a natural pattern, its key character is sound, produced by voice. Everybody in the human race has voice, and everybody in the human race has language, but not every native race has every sound. Some sounds travel from a foreign land to a native land. The factor/s behind the sound-migration will reveal links between the donor and the receiver, if it was a fraternal attribute or resulting from a conquest. We must explore, and not be quick to dismiss or close-minded; let the sound itself teach us where it came from and why it is on Yoruba tongue.

Oodua a Gbe Wa O!
Edumare a to wa s'ona!

Áàshé wà

Moorish:
I grew alot more respect for you, olu, since entering this thread

Hmmmm,I appreciate your respect. Yoruba people of ancient time said,‘Bìbì'rè ko shè f'oworà'

Respect to you too Moorish....nîtoripè énìkàn kíì jé àwà'dè,which made me to hold steadfast to this Yoruba adage,which says,‘Kì áàrìn kì àwó pó , yìyé nì nyénì.


Cheers

Obalufon:
He is Victim of biological weapon..the white Arabs really caused havoc with there devilish seeds and raped the blackness out of that region they castrated the male used therm as slaves and tum the females to sex slaves . The few survival ran south and west of the Sahara to mix with their brothers

Not the white Arabs. The Arabs werent white because the seat of power of Arabs was Babylonia,which is in present day Iraq. And the history of Ishmael lineage was Dsrk skin Egyptian woman and a descendant of Chaldean, whose complexion wasn't any white ancestry as well.
The experiment you may lay claim to as the invasion of Egypt, which was the period of annihilation of dark skin people when Egypt fell during the Islamic revolution around 616–629 AD or something close to it ,which is known in the academics as the ‘Rashidun invasion of Egypt' .

Moorish......Haba
I saw this your post and I couldn't control myself but got to laugh hysterically.

This isn't war bro...So take it easy..

OlayemiOniroyin:
Hausa language radio Presenter needed. Contact yemoford@gmail.com

Is this your personal mail? Secondly, Are you very vast in Hausa language?


Regard....

OlaoChi:
. You are liar and hypocrite.which degree and what university department or what ile-olorisa? You will use insults on people that challenge you and then when fired back or even when told the very truth of the matter you act like a victim. Because I don't know what else you are if not a clown if after all these years on "Hebrew connection " you still have no evidence but want people not to challenge you. Very funny clown.
If it is naming calling you want instead of proving your claims I might be tempted to go for it so just take your pick
Loyal companions or friends on a faceless forum? Lmao
Thats what is achievement to you, popularity on a faceless forum. And come to think of it what companions do you have exactly? Same band of Hebrew Arab worshipper? Same People with inferiority complex and hate for their black identity?
Because that's all that binds you together, basically no body else takes your likes seriously but not everyone has the time or even interest to dispute your claims

I have no interest in engaging you because ,as usual, you are inconsequential. Ibo apologist,go engage yourself with your likeminds.

Bon journée

OlaoChi:
Lmao. We both know you have no history degree or any Form of training (traditional or academic)

So what makes you the "scholarly mind"

Funny clown

We are still waiting for one evidence, Just one

I do but I am not duty bound to proof anything to you. Ìlè nì à tì ko'eshó ro'dè but you have non. If you want evidence, keep searching, perhaps mother nature will help. You are the one whose inferiority complex dwell heavily on. As simple as ABC,you are an àkò'gbà òmò because, you use negative words in an unbridled manner. If you doubt? do serious check on yourself and see the reason, you hardly have loyal companions or friends worth relaying on. Laugh over it, I insist,you don't have. You can only use deception on here because it is faceless.
Àbó óró nì ànsó fún ómólúàbí tì o báà dè ìnù è à dì odìdì.
Call me a seer,I am!

The research being embarked upon isn't for children or the evil minds because , ‘Àgbà nì to'ro lò , Òbà nì to' èyìn èrìn fúùn'

For the unscholarly minds who have nothing to add but regurgitate same info same things month in month, should spend their time and resource to study acquire books or go back to school to learn more and add up to their knowledge rather than be impeded through ignorance.

Hmmmm, these people donnot know that, Bí àdàbà bà tìé npè'dè shè o ro pè éyé'lè o gbó ó , éyé'lè kú gbó o súgbón kìrìkìrì l’o kìrì.

want2knowben:
Care to explain what makes the post 'oshi'? Have you ever encountered any of the various Yoruba dialects in written form, other than the usual Yoruba Igbalode/ Yoruba Ajumolo?

Don't be deterred by uncultured attitude you observe being in display on NL,which really showed how they were brought up in their respective homes.

Cheers

absoluteSuccess:
My brother,

If we refuse to do the brain work, someone else will do it better, its thus better to be on the job and get better on it, everyone has what they believe in and excel at.

I am black and shine, I'm not black and dull, so let's shine in whatsoever we do.

Awesome.

Respect

Moorish:
You are assuming lamurudu=nimrod of ancient babylon and you are also assuming bilikis=queen of sheba of antiquity

People take on names of great ancestors

Yes, you are right but you fail to realise that,not all oral hiistorical account is true .Beside, there are no record of Odudua in Arabia ,except he was with a different name on that land.

absoluteSuccess:
hmm,

To see someone from this angle means you are swimming in the very full end of the intelligent pool. What a lofty post void of wisdom.

A man can swim in intelligence and still lack wisdom, knowledge and understanding, and will fail to see it even if anyone else has it.

You can't comprehend anything beyond your intelligence quotient. Wise men swim at the shallow ends, but fools drown with pride.

Can you start swimming from the deepest end?

bibi ire kosee f'owo ra.

It is impossible for some people to understand because they eyes but can't see.They have ears but can't hear. I remember vividly your advice and I want you to use it because,these group of antagonists can't decipher nothing but feign . Òrò yì rì bì, Àì fì énì p’énì àì f’èìyán p’èniyán, l’àrà oko fí nsán bánté wò'lú
Orìsìrìsì édà lo wà nì NL. I hope you will not loose sight of it.


Cheers

Clearly, it will be hard for a lot of people to discern. Intelligent is simply being ‘bright' and wisdom is proper application of being bright(being able to distinquished the wise from unwise)
Technically, they are different because one can be intelligent and still don't use it correctly. The devil has knowledge (brilliant) but lacked wisdom. There are over 100,000s instances.
Understanding is really a scarce commodity

Èl-èdù-máàre is the master teacher because, he is the one who hold ògbòn, ìmò àtì ooyè.
Òlòrùn nì o kò ènì, à sì kò wà mò shè



íìbà ooo

Moorish:
I found something interesting

Olu, googi, Obalufon all my brothers read this

https://zh-cn.facebook.com/notes/agunbiade-pius/the-yoruba-mythology-and-ancient-history-both-of-mecca-and-berber-land-of-ancien/10151404635628428/

Apparently Yoruba existed in Mecca as polytheists.. Lamurudu was on the throne but was killed by mohammed I think during the civil war

The war was polytheist vs monotheist

We fled to Egypt with king odduduwa, son of our slain king lamurudu, then we fled to Sudan and finally to Yorubaland where we met the ilaje and Benin in the land, they are related to us also apparently

Very interesting theory

An American friend also confirmed this same theory last night to me

Olu, googi and Obalufon , your thoughts please?

Also our original name was Sabeans and Nabateans

I also called myself a sabean and I never knew why

I just felt that was my original nationality since 3 years now

Very deep

Maybe that explains sungbo erodo for bilikis (queen of Sheba/sabe)

The writer only sensationalised the account of part of Samuel Johnson's book. Lamurudu didn't exist during Islam. Secondly, there is nothing like staff of Bilqis in Ileife. Thirdly, Islam existed ,400-500 years after Jesus in Middle East,which made the story open to extreme criticism.

Moorish:
I was thinking about this link

Mohammed warred against a highly polytheistic arab population

And Yoruba migration theory states we fled the east due to a religious war..

Crazy

I replied this post of yours but had issue with antispam bot for information that's neither copied anywhere nor having offensive statement. It is sickening.

93Miles:
Check your mail. Thanks.

Kindly restore my post,which I was banned yesterday in culture section. I had to complain about this ,because this is almost the tenth time, that I have been banned for my expression which were not copied anywhere nor has anything offensive . Below, is the screenshot.

Moorish:
Oyo Empire c.1600-c.1836: A West African Imperialism in the Era of the Atlantic Slave Trade by Robin Law


All my Yoruba brothers, please read this book


It is apparently the best work on Oyo


Our empire crumbled 50 years before European imperialism into Africa, that is why there is scant information on our empire from literary sources


That is why Dahomey, Benin and Asante seem more significant than our empire! They were still standing when the white man came, so he had artifacts to write about, oral accounts etc


Robin law seems to have done a good enough work from what I have read so far


I just paid $46 for this book, but it could be my most important purchase to date


Always wanted to know about my heritage

You do have a good heritage man. Oyo reigned for centuries. Although different people wrote about Oyo but the close time Oyo fell was around 1823-1824 through Afonja, after, Capt clapperton visited Oyo in 1822 and left.

Anyway,all the best.

googi:
Olu317,

Thanks as usual for your info.

However, I am weary of those that claim Nork Culture does not match Yoruba, Dufuna Boat does not match Yoruba and now Iwo Eleru at our door step does not match Yoruba.

We even have some Ijebu that claim not to be Yoruba, that Bikilusu that built the largest area in Ijebu is not Yoruba, so are some Itsekiri, Lakunmi in Onitsha area and now the Bini.

Nevertheless, culture from Egypt to Mesopotamia down the Nile to Sudan, Tapa, Borgu far from the present Ife were Yoruba?

While trying to be objective, we must be blind men and women describing different parts of an elephant.

Indeed, Youruba assimilation, tolerance and bi won se bi erun, ni won se bi omo: must have overtaken our generosity.

No wonder the only place claimed as no mans' land is Yoruba land.

I feel sorry for una.

Well ,Nok,Igbos-Ibos existed before Yoruba's appearance. Although it is not impossible for some people to be of Nok ancestry in Yoruba land but there were some developed beings that moved to this direction in and around 300- 3500 years ago because the phase of the development was too different. And these people had population explosion at a time due to multiple marriages.
Take for instance, the Yorubas have the highest multiple twin birth in the world and no group in west Africa share such with Yorubas. And after some research had been conducted severally, Some Western researchers claimed,it was as a result of yam/tuber consumption, can you believe such ?

The point here is that there are so many staggering information that these Roman-Greek-European invaders read in their manuscripts-papyrus that they find unbelievable in Yoruba land. So,don't blame these western researchers because they are the seekers that appreciate Yorubas because they know the true identity of the Yorubas. But want the Yorubas to discover themselves as the chosen people of God. Unfortunately, some Yoruba researchers aren't really willing to engage in self funding before serious funding could be source from foreign sponsors.

Infact,it is pathetic seeing that the popular hieroglyphs on Opa Oranmiyan hasn't being interpreted. The last guess on the interpretation was said to mean,the three kingdoms, he (Oranmiyan)reigned as king in each of these three different kingdom.

Then on your proverb,I seriously understand, because I know some Yorubas in person, who have identity crisis, which is due to the different background of their parents, especially, a maternal lineage,that's linked to Yorubas. But ,in as much that, the Yorubas acknowledge everyone irrespective of status,either of maternal, paternal, slave ancestry or noble as God has made it, then ,everyone's place is secured. The zeal to excel and achieving an excellent status ,is what Yorubas appreciate and uphold in high esteem.This is what brought the saying, Òrì lo mò énì òlàa.

So,don't feel bad Sir,but rejoice because you represent your ancestors always.


Cheers