₦airaland Forum

Obalufon:
Do you know what the ADA stand for? How could a king rule his people with sword if they are not slaves laughing. (IDA/ADA) OmoAda sword boy is a Yoruba slaves?

Favor99:
Benin kingdom is one of the most decorated kingdoms in African history. Many scholars always commend and praise Benin kingdom.
Nothing can change that.
Your vile hatred and toxic energy isn’t going to change our decorated history.
So many documents of Europeans praising Benin kingdom and astonished at how civilized it was compared to the other groups in the area and in Africa

Moorish:
Nah, that guy is a chump

You speak on Egypt. Do you not know white historians are trying desperately to white wash Egypt?

I am disgusted by that David guy because he re-asserts the white cracker's position on history

Peace

urahara:
Am not igala

Prospektarty:
I have been following the arguments and counter arguments relating to the relationship between Itsekiri and Yoruba languages. Firstly the term Yoruba did not exist as a linguistic or ethnic appellation among precolonial Yorubas but originated from the Hausa word Yarubawa which was the name the Hausas applied to the northern Yorubas of Oyo. It was adopted in the late 19th and 20th century by scholars and extended to all Sub groups that make up current Yorubaland. This term was however not applied to the Itsekiris who already had an established national and political identity of their own as a result of centuries of political and economic dealings with the European nations just like Benin and other Kingdoms and states of the time. Yorubaland was also never a united single political or national entity but had its many different kingdoms and city states that constantly fought each other. The closest it came to unification was with the Oyo empire. But there was never a single Yoruba polity uniting all Yorubas. And all Yoruba sub groups went by their different names and spoke their different dialects as their official languages. It wasn’t until Ajayi Crowther translated the bible from English into Oyo Yoruba that the Oyo dialect assumed the role of written standard language for all Yorubas. All religious and administrative materials were thus translated using that dialect and hence it became the standard for all Yoruba sub groups except the itsekiris who at the time prior to colonisation had existed as a separate centralised nation state of their own for 500 years. Thus Itsekiris in their own kingdom had portions of the bible, prayer books and hymnals translated into their own language as early as the mid 19th century including the Book of Common Prayer. This meant that even though Itsekiri could be considered a Yoruba dialect it had developed into a standard literary language in its own right, used in education and official communication as a fully fledged independent language just like standard Yoruba. So in effect Oyo Yoruba and Itsekiri are the two standardised variants of the Yoruba linguistic group. Other Yoruba dialects eg Ekiti, Owo, Ondo, Ijebu etc etc although still widely spoken (but gradually declining) did not achieve standard language status Because all Yorubas recognise the Oyo dialect as their standard literary language while Itsekiris on their part recognise the Itsekiri variant of Yoruba as their own standard literary language. What this means is that you have two variants of the same language becoming literary standards and recognised as separate languages.

. Itsekiri belongs to the South East Yoruba (SEY) groups of Yoruba languages or dialects which include Ijebu, Owo, Ekiti, Ondo, Ilaje, Ikale, Akure. linguists consider these dialects the oldest surviving form of Yoruba and Itsekiri is 85% plus mutually intelligible to the closest of these dialects Ilaje, IKALE, Owo and Ondo. It is also 72% mutually intelligible to Standard Yoruba which makes Itsekiri a Yoruboid language in just the same way the Romance languages of Spanish and Portuguese are 80% mutually intelligble but considered separate languages for political and historical reasons. Please note that on a wider scale linguists classify Yoruba, Itsekiri and Igala as Yoruboid languages because they all have a common origin and were once a single language and are still closely related. Itsekiri is just as separate from standard Yoruba as any other SEY Yoruba dialect because common sense will tell us that SEY Yoruba dialects are closer to each other than to standard Yoruba because they share a common origin and lexicon and are highly mutually intelligible to each other and less so to the North West Yoruba (NWY) dialects of Oyo, Ife, etc. This is just simple logic.

Please also note that the reason why Igbo, Yoruba, Itsekiri, Edo, Igala, Urhobo-Isoko, Idoma, Ebira, Nupe and Gwari have many words and sounds in common is because they are closely related languages that belong to the same linguistic family. This group of languages is referred to as Niger-Volta by linguists and they share a common ancestral language from which they split 2,000 years ago. These languages are split into sub groups called Yoruboid, Igboid, Nupoid, Idomoid, Edoid. The Ijaw and Kalabari languages are linguistic isolates and are not related in any way to the Niger-Volta languages. Tiv, Effik and Ibibio are also not closely related to Niger Volta and are Bantu languages similar to the languages spoken in Central Africa. Although we are all more widely related to each other as black African languages as we spring from the same source. Hausa is not a black African language but an Afro-Asiatic language related to Arabic and Somali. On the other hand Fulani or Fufulde is a black African language originating in Senegal and Guinea. On a separate note, if for example the Itsekiris opted to join the Oduduwa rRepublic then there will be two recognised indigenous official languages - Yoruba and Itsekiri. Other Yoruba dialects will continue to remain dialects as all Yorubas have a standard literary language which will be used by the groups for all official and administrative purposes. The Itsekiri on the other hand will continue to use their own standard language in their own area as standard Yoruba is not generally spoken or understood there. This is how linguistic policy works.

Rossikki:
Of course the Yorubas, like most modern-day forest West Africans/Central Africans etc, descended from fleeing ancient Israelites. The forest West Africans - the Igbo, Ashanti, Akan, Yoruba, Edo, Efik, etc, are not regarded as real Africans by the Sahel/Saharan Africans, ie the Hamitic Africans, who see themselves as the original dwellers on the continent. They actually KNOW that the forest West Africans are descended from fleeing Israelites. It is the Israelites themselves - us - who don't know who we are. And this was prophesied in the Old Testament. This......blindness. Black suffering/slavery was also prophesied in Deuteronomy 28. In verse 68, there's a clear reference to the transatlantic slave trade that saw blacks - the forest West Africans - shipped in their millions to the modern day 'Egypt' - the United States.

“And the Lord will take you back to Egypt IN SHIPS, by the way of which I said to you, ‘You shall never see it again.’ And there you shall be offered for sale to your enemies as male and female slaves, but no one will buy you.”


Ultimately, Yahweh promises redemption of the Israelites from their woes, which he had decreed because of their ancient disobedience to his laws.

Zephaniah 3:10

''From beyond the rivers of Ethiopia my suppliants, even the daughter of my dispersed, shall bring mine offering.''

Geographically, ''beyond the rivers of Ethiopia", ie the Nile, is.... West Africa.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/6e/7e/4a/6e7e4ab1bd14cd8857c34a88eb59d8bb.jpg

Favor99:
You always ignore the stuff your Yoruba brothers are doing. You’ve been using vulgar and demeaning words throughout this thread.
Calling people peasants, mongrels, witches and stuff.
Why the hel* do you keep calling us Oviedo. “You oviedos this” “you oviedos that”
You have no humility, your pompous and have a very artificial false sense of superiority
Other nations have median incomes on average of $50,000-$60,000 per year, how would you like it if they came and started acting condescending to you. Is Yoruba or any ethnic group in Nigeria anywhere near that? Why the superiority complex when your living in abject poverty?
You shouldn’t be looking down on anybody with such meager income.
When I see fellow Yorubas going through racism from oyinbo here in the US, I Dey see it’s just karma. They no different.
I’ve been trying to make peace and be respectful, but pompous visionless people like you continue acting anyhow on this nairaland

Didn’t that Ooni of ife say Edo is part and parcel of Yoruba territory last year? Arrogance!
I don’t care about your Eweka or Oduduwa or Orayiman and who came first second or last. Or if they came from the sky or the forest. It makes no difference to me.
Instead of looking ways to develop the country which starts with unity or picking up a skill your here acting like your ish don’t stink forming complexes throughout this thread

Favor99:
This guy is condescending smh
At least he isn’t as blunt as his Yoruba brothers.
Change the attitude.
Do onto others as you would like them to do onto you
What do you guys get from church anyway?
What is this your religion that promotes hatred and superiority complexes? Definetly not Christianity. I live and grew up in America and I’m pretty well to do. I don’t come onto nairaland with big pompous ego thinking I’m better than people.
Because you have large tribe shouldn’t mean you act superior
Be humble or you will be humbled!
I’m humble I don’t start throwing superiority complexes all over the place like you
You think Yorubas are the biggest baddest people on the earth? There’s a whole world outside of Africa

prolog2:
Itsikeri and Lukumi are our relatives, not yours! Stop trying to claim our brothers or face the same humiliation, again and again!

LastDays777:
Olu Olu. You forgot to put where you copied it from

http://www.eurocontrol.int/news/why-aircraft-dont-always-fly-straight-lines

Of course there is an explanation to everything including lies.

One pilot once said they don't calculate any curvature when flying. Why?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwZXMVqbfGc

This is how they indoctrinate us with evolution in school, we believe it and don't question everything.

LastDays777:
What's so funny? He stated a fact which is true.

Mynd44:
Elephants 2 - Stupid Humans 0

arithcom:
Maracas

Rossikki:
It is YOU who lacks understanding. That something is described as being round or a 'circle' does NOT mean it is a sphere. A flat disc can be round and circular. ''Stretching the north on empty space'' as quoted in the book of Job, means the north within the earth land/atmosphere and within the empty space created by the dome which covers the earth, and separates it from the waters above it.

''Hanging the earth upon nothing'' does not imply the earth is in ''outer space''. It could be in the middle of a vast ocean, and thus is ''hanging on nothing''.

Job 37:18 says: ''Can you, like him, spread out the skies, hard as a cast metal mirror?' - referring to the dome.

KingSango:
Michelle Obama is a man.

The Earth is positively flat.

Barack Obama isn't Kenyan origin.

Possessed by light.

Ase

Love Sango

Rossikki:
"Suspended on nothing" could mean it's just floating inside a huge ocean.

IFA creation accounts never mentioned the Earth was a globe either. I think the people back then would have found it odd to have to mention that the earth was flat, since that was what everyone believed. Trust me, your ancestors did not think the earth was a globe.

Hati13:
Onl317, I think we need to end this discussion because you know a lot about things related to Yoruba while I don’t and I’m basing my claim primarily based on Wiki and Wiki is know to provide many outdated informations. Your claim could be right or not (you also need to be open minded to the latter since many scholars say Yoruba is Niger-Congo). Within Yoruba themselves as when seen here there is different believe about Yoruba origin and their language nature. As you said Yoruba is among the most studied group in Africa but further research needs to be conducted to bring a common reliable belief on their history and culture.

geosegun:
Why do you guys feel so comfortable to lie and even try to change history. History has it the the Oba of Benin's head are buried in Ife until recently and not the other way round as you have stated above? The last time I checked, the grave of one of the Kings is in Ife, as evidence. Can you please tell us a place where such heads of Yoruba Obas' are buried in Benin or keep quiet forever?

It is not a crime to have a king or leader from another land. This has happened several times in human history. Even the British Royalty has German ancestry, and heaven did not fall for cry out loud. Why the fuse, if Benin royalty has Yoruba/Benin blood? Or the Ilorin Emir has Fulani and Yoruba blood?

You guys should go and face the Nigerian polity and ensure the country is great again rather than wallowing in self aggrandizement and inferiority complex. Let us make these race great again if truly our forefathers have done what you guys are claiming here. What will generations that come after say about us? Let's everyone sheath their sword and forget these arguments and move on. I am sure there are more better things to learn from both cultures.

@Moorish; thanks for your observations and assertions.

MysteryFinder:
Hm, I also hv a story, how can I make a topic?

Olalan:
Babaric and shameful culture

Hati13:
BabaRamota1980,

No you are wrong. Language grouping is based on similarities not location. And Sudan for the most part in the past wasn’t part of Egypt.

Olu317,

Is there a genetic connection for the migrations claim?

Moorish:
Benin team

Yoruba team

Can we please come together to study our civilizations, rebuild indigenous architectural systems, clothing, art, medicine, and weaponry

Sovereign

Empire

Peace and Love

Hati13:
Olu317, whether it’s true it not you consistent in your claim about the similarities between Yoruba, Semitic and ancient Egyptian languages. But now you said Yoruba were around the Nile but previously you said they were around Arabia. Why is it?

If what you say is true then why isn’t Yoruba classified under Afroasiatic? Don’t say it’s an agenda against Black because majority Afroasiatic languages are in Africa. So why is it?

BabaRamota1980:
The naysayers will say this is coincidence. How can we have this much volume of cognate words located in the Meditteranean zone and are all coincidence.... I dont get it. Coincidence is a buzz word to distract us.

Keep bringing them brother. These are indicators for presence.

BabaRamota1980:
The naysayers will say this is coincidence. How can we have this much volume of cognate words located in the Meditteranean zone and are all coincidence.... I dont get it. Coincidence is a buzz word to distract us.

Keep bringing them brother. These are indicators for presence.