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absoluteSuccess:
Baa ba bini nile ogbon, ogbobn a maa roni. Atemi atire, ogbon inu o nii fiwa sile lo. Bojumo ba mo, oye a la kedere.
Baa ba si bini nile imo, imo a maa ro'niyan. Atemi atire, imo wa o nii doba lairotele. akii ridi omo oni gedegede.
Ogbon nii segun, ogbon la fii soun gbogbo, imo lafii moun gbogbo, iwa nii t'oka eniyan.
Ejo k'olori agberu le o, Ori rere ni tiwa. Aye wa a dara, igba a sanwa.
Asanwa sowo a sanwa somo, Ao ri batise ao rowo yo Ao r'owo se fuja.

Moyo fun o,
mo yo funra mi.

Àashé wáà.

0balufonlll:
What?

If it is the ‘Efa’ in the Efa & Oje proverb then this your post is wrong o.

Efa & Oje were part of Egba Agura in the present day Ibadan. They were razed by the combined forces of Ife, Ijebu & Oyo. See IB Akinyele’s ‘Iwe Itan Ibadan’ book.

Efa had nothing to do with Offa & neither Efa nor Offa had anything to do with Edo.

Of course yes,I may be wrong . But looking at the historical account, the Efa and Oje that was written about was less than two centuries ago,if you considered the foundation of Ibadan herself, which was populated due destruction of Oyo Ilè. Ila orangun from Ife to his present abode and his descendants migrated to Offa axis etc. And from offa people ,the story of Efa emanated. And the proverb that referred to Efa became popular . Again, the same Efa existed in Edo history and Efa descendants were pioneer founder of Edoland. As soon as I get hold of the European author who did this research ,I will post it. Lastly, modern day technological know how is readily available, so, many written historical accounts need being reviewed because not all past information on Yoruba were correct.

Obalufon:
who are the Efa?

Efa history is shrewd with mystery because they existed over a thousand year ago from calculation. But only remembered by Yoruba proverb,which pointed to their existence in Offa axis and their migration to forming aboriginal Edoland.These people seem to be the people Yoruba. ancestors met and pushed out and their history erased from Yoruba land.

0balufonlll:
Loool why waste your time arguing that nonsensical conjecture bro?

I am guessing O ONi is an abbreviation of Omo Olowo Ni. Abi wetin you think?

Yes ooo, the O-O-N is their abbreviation ooo . I wanted to ask him when did Yoruba begun abbreviation for title . Samuel Ajayi did some harm on Yoruba history because his storyline glorified Oyo beyond historical fact. I just wonder what sort of information that will made him refer to Ooni as one ‘Omo oluwo ni' in the same way some people agree to such today.
Anyway, it is worth laughing at.

Cheers.

0balufonlll:
Not everyone was a servant-messenger. Some were colleagues of the Ooni, traders, explorers & warriors, baba.

Of course yes, you are right

Obalufon:
Ooni =Onu...house Ile=Ule.. U-I difference

I guess I need explain better. I did not say Onu = Ooni but showed the difference. May be, I don't understand you

lawani:
The Nupe King is called Elenpe by the Yoruba. I guess it means Olu Enpe. Eastern Borgu is in Nigeria while western Borgu is Benin republic

Yes ,you are correct and I know they are in Bénin.

lawani:
What do you mean by Borgu Nupe people. Borgu is different from Nupe. Borgu is called Bariba by the Yoruba while Nupe is called Tapa

lawani, I expect you to check who are Borgu ? Bro ,you can do better than this. Go to Northern Nigeria's history and verify properly. The same way Yoruba changed name at different times, is the same way, Borgu broke into pieces and migration took place to some areas. Go visit Niger state and Kwara state respectively. In these two States ,your questions is resolved.

lawani:
The Yoruba equivalent of Onu is Olu not Ooni. Ooni means Omo Oluwo ni

I beg you pardon! You are wrong. Did you you care to read the reason I responded to the difference between Onu and Ooni ?
Apart from that, your opinion gotten/got from Samuel Ajayi's Crowther book is a bloody lie. Ooni means ‘owner'. I cant imagine you too can fall for such nonexisting theory created by Samuel Ajayi crowther as a contraction for Ooni? What's Omo Oluwo ni? Kì O nì ? Tà nì Olùwo nà?

Having considered the different information I had before and the opinion I have come across on different platform do I seek more knowledge from the wise ones to explain the meaning of Adimunia or Adimula.

There is no crime if Yoruba group are related to Yorubas,just as the world is also interwoven. The attah of Igala,even attest to Yoruba migrants that are within his enclave via marriage, migration or conquest. But historically Yoruba are different from Igala.Yoruba leader-founder of new settlement is the pivotal connection that's needed to affirm if Igala was Yoruba land or not. As it is, Igala aren't Yorubas.
There is a difference between the meaning of : Onu and Ooni

(Igala)Onu: king
Yoruba: Or-ni- O'oni- Ooni: owner

This simply show that there is a difference between Ooni and Onu

googi:
Olu, I give up.

You are too much for me. I may have met you in one of those conferences.

googi, I am not too much for you bro. We are exchanging knowledge about our wonderfully bless Race known today as Yoruba nation. Hopefully we shall all meet one day by the grace of God.
God bless Yoruba nation and the world .

Respect to you sir.

Regards

rhektor:
The Igede people of Benue state are different from that of Ekiti sir

Thank you sir for the information.

absoluteSuccess:
LOLS

Who am I without you bro?

God bless our hustle.

Mo wo iriri àyè tàn, mo wà fì èwè ògbòn bo'rì. Mò fì èwè ògbòn bo'rì tàn nì mo wà tòo àwòn àgbà lò. Nìgbà tì mo dè òdò àwòn àgbà nì mo pàdè ìmò . Wèrèwèrè tì mo kùro lò'dé àgbà tàn nì òoyè tà mì nì olobo wì pè, ‘à dà nì tàn tì dànì tàn, kì àbánìjé tòo dè, nìgbàti àbànìjé dè tàn o bà nìi lówóo àtùnìsè.'

Àshè wà to your prayers on all our hustle.Much respect go to you SIR for your encouragement and all the òmòlùàbìs on this forum.










Cheers.

geosegun:
@Olu317

Mind you, all founding fathers of new Yoruba settlement ,mostly take along IFA priests,hunters, warriors and other priests of differnent ancestors of theirs to the new found lands,which direction were mostly based on IFA direction.


Your statement above is 100% facts. i doff my cap

With humility do I doff my cap to you too for the acknowledgement.

Much respect

Cheers.

Leyqute:
No excuse for Sarriball abeg

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Chimok:
The 26yr old got married to her boyfriend after 2yrs of engagement

Wonder shall never end.

googi, do not prepare for me bro because I have no intention or energy to knock off your opinion or people's but to clearly exchange knowledge . In as much as I know some of these things,I feel it is okay to share on such information and you do vice versa.
Ibadan that you and I see today was not respected by neighbouring Yorubas because of her historical foundation in the ancient time. The overloring was the reason war broke out. Princes crowns were madly adored,honoured, and worshiped in yorubaland , which Ibadan didn't have but were bunch of military expertise(hunters and warriors) princes,slaves etc that settled down gradually before Oyo collapsed around 1817 or thereabout. Infact, prince Lagelu that would have given ibadan a well outstanding status was killed when there were allegation by different Yoruba families . So, bì a sè bì érù nì à bì òmò predated Ibadan even if such was made popular by this historical city in Yoruba land. This proverb gave credence to the looked down upon descendants of royal or noble blood,whose mother were slaves. The proverb basically gave a nod to inhuman maltreatment of some people in Yoruba land. Take for instance, Ajaka and Ajaokuta who were of different mothers. I am sure you remember Ajaokuta's mother was Nupe(Tapa),who saved his older half brother from the grip of Owu, their supposedly cousin from being molested. And Ajaokuta was made the king at the detriment of Ajaka,who was the king before the later king. This happened when Owu misbehaved and captured him. Clearly, if Ajaka was taken to Owu,he would have been allowed as a prince and his descendants looked upon as weakling. So there were war captives of non yoruba families as well of noble homes and some are spared while their daughters were got married to,by the kings, the captors or their descendants. At times,such male descendants will definitely have problem, when aspiring for some higher position that he ought be given. Unless, he was humble or fiercely or defended his father's town against even his mother side if need be at one time or the other,which can give rise to support of such man. This is the reason you hear at times,Yoruba will use an adage as thus, ‘ Tì un bà nì Àdè gùn tàbì Àdè o gùn.........'.This alone is self explanatory of Yoruba's ways of reasoning. Despite,the death of Àfonjà in the hands of Ilorin Jamah-Jihadists, I am sure you know the story of Afonja's son that reigned as bàlé Ibadan at one time or the other,contrary to the popular title of olubadan.
What I know is that Yorubas keep record of events orally and do have deep knowledge about worldview because they were too unique as a people.They were sensitive and guided against exposing some of their ancient knowledge to the world.
When I read Ijaw's claim about Adamu,Adumu, I laugh at it seriously . It is not because Yoruba can't be related to these people but some of them cunningly try to use or associate the name through political connection for their association to Yoruba. Funny enough, the pattern of his name is associated to ‘Là' or ‘ìà'- which is a noble-royal name, that isn't in their lexicons .The man's way of worshipping God was different from them. Names associated to God by the man and his group were different. Names associated to deities were different. Beside, the man was a bloody King-warrior priest whose fame grew larger than life. The same way his descendants name were different .Such names as Orangun, oranyan,Onìpopo,Alaketu, Owù,onìsàbé ,Òwà etc aren't in their lexicon.Does ‘Gùn' exist in their lexicons ? If it does,what does it mean? Have you for once bother to verify names of Yoruba ancestors among these people? Kindly do.If not for some challenges, I would have listed close to 500 strange words used daily in Yoruba land that doesn't exist in Nigeria or west Africa lexicon and if such words in nature, the meaning are different outrightly but I will list 35 of some Yoruba words. One word, can mean three or more different things in Yoruba land. Do such words exist in these people's lexicon? Not sure about it.
On egalitarian, I doubt the equity even if it exist on a leverage. Yoruba people are too traditional! Trust me , they can refer to one's ancestors history through migration to their own abode,if they see such descendants or individual as too powerful to control. Yoruba are like the two force that control the world ;the negative and the positive. The way one operates in them determine how far one goes.

Here are some strange Yoruba words without accent but when it has accent, pronunciation changes.

bo:come back
bo:remove
bo:worship

bi:ask
bi:vomit
bi:birth

lo:go
lo:swallow
lo:make use of
lo:silent or calm

Ooni: today
Ooni: owner
Ooni:crocodile

ra: buy
ra:rot
ra:get hold
ra:crawl

odo: mutter
odo:zero
odo:river
odo:valley

Owu:germinate
Owu:thread
Owu: someone to uproot
Owu:desire,like

gbo:bark
gbo:squeaze out
gbo:hear
gbo:old
gbo: worn

da:betray
da:create
da:good,beautiful
da: stray,wandering
da: throw away


Cheers

Quite some point you portray ovethere. But you seem not to know much about Yorubas people because you operate on what you seemingly think it is true.
Let me quickly refresh your memory about a Ilorin town history which is over 200 years ago whose leader was Afonja. You see, Yoruba have a way to differentiate themselves according to noble or royal blood. Even among the noble or royal blood, some have a higher hierarchy than the others. This was the reason Afonja couldnt become the desired king he wanted to be in Oyo and he became bittered about it,despite his matrilineal connection to Oyo royal blood. .As you can see,family is extremely important in yoruba history. So,irrespective of the summation you posted,to mention a few, Yoruba know themselves through salutation,family, tradition and spoken language. Do you even know how Yoruba see Igala ,Igbira and many other groups in the ancient times? And vice versa? Truthfully you would not like it. It is basically not about boastsufulness but reality.
Secondly ,you blundered about the comaprison between Britain's royal home and Nigeria because even among the royal homes of England,they know who is who among their descendants, so that there wont be mix up and it has nothing to do with ethnicity. Every man of Yoruba blood has a family and each member is connected either dead or alive to his or her clan. The ancestral prayers and all what not is a testimony to this things.

googi:
Olu317

Aiye gba Tapa, o kole Igunnu is a Lagos proverb or saying unless Tapa established Igunnu all over Yoruba land. Either way, they are Yoruba on their journey southward.

Remember seven locations of Ife per Prof. Ade Obayomi.

You are right about the Yoruba slaves, they can work their way up to kingship.

My brother, I am a Yoruba man as you are and I am sure you and I know the manner at which our ancestors married different group of people,even amongst Tapa people. I didnt loose foresight of this but we must not ignore the truth because, we are on social media.Tapa were and are people that tormented Yorubas before we subdued their prowess within ancient Yoruba enclaves . And these people are partly spread from Niger, Kaduna, Plateau,Abuja, kwara through Bénin Republic etc . These People were the Borgu- Nupe people. And I have
read about the claim by professor Ade Obayomi.But Let me quickly say this that,there were many wars fought by Yorubas against many sorrounding /neighbouring groups,which some were lost and many were won by Yorubas. And during each conquest by Yorubas,they capture the conquered and took along slaves and dieties worshipped by these conquered people,which testify to different deities in Yoruba land.
Have you had an encounter with a real Tapa person ? I mean undilluted breed . If yes, can you hear his or her language? I asked this because I have come across Tapas and their real language is not intelligible to Yorubas,apart from the ones that have been infiltrated by Yorubas in Kwara. Furthermore, the proverb only indicated the reality on the ground about difference in people's way of life and traditions. And for you to think, it is a Lagos proverb,then I guess you missed the point. Arent the people that made such proverb Yorubas? I am sure you will realise that, such statement must have been because of a fracas between some yorubas and Tapas. Else such will not exist in Yoruba proverb. If you claim otherwise, Do you know Borgu was the name Nupe gave or called Pharaoh. This name got stock to some Nupe breed.The Arabs writers called Pharaoh as Barkou and the Coptic Christians called him Barkhou( Folorunso 2003: 78).How come this name is not in Yoruba lexicon? Again, do you remember this proverb,‘ è yì tì o wà lé èyìn éfà o jù ojè ló ?' Clearly,it meant a town known as Éfà existed at one time or the other. And éfà was a town that wasnt of Yoruba origin ,but were people that once lived around Yoruba people with mystique which was not far from Òffà And migrated through Edo as pioneer aborigines of Edoland. Apart from the proverb ,everything connecting Yoruba to Éfà have been sealed up and thrown into dungeon. And the other account to these people as being conquered , annihilated , assimilated and some migrated to only God know territories without traces or change of identity. Their ancient abode don't exist anymore in the òffà axis. What about another proverb as thus,‘ à fì ènì pè'nì à fì èyàn pè'yàn tì o mù àrà' oko sàn bànté wólù?' Who was the àrà oko if not uncultured and uncivilized stranger from neighbouring town? Proverb among Yoruba is a reflection of their past events that had shaped their present.And the present will shape the future. Do you know there are numerous word of Yorubas that arent found in west Africa's lexions? The point is that there are too many unrealistic information I find on NL that does not reflect the truth about Nigeria's different ethnic groups. Facts are their that support that Tapa aren't Yorubas in the same way Gambari or Hausas aren't Yorubas.

Dig deeper and you will see more than meet the eye.

All in the name to group all different ethnic groups into one?You amaze me bro. I wish you have visited some local stalls,market places to see how the common people differentiate themselves,even among same ethnic groups.
Kindly stop muddling issue up. Southern Nigeria aren't the same group of people even if there were later mutual relationship between different ethnic group or clans,after series of engagement on the war front.
Nupe as you mentioned were Bariba,Tapa, Baruba,Éfà people, Igala extention etc and had been a long enemy of neighbouring towns of Yoruba groups, even if the word‘ Yoruba' became uniformly used around 18th-19th century to cover all Yoruba,irrespctive of location. A proverb illustrate this; oyatz, kindly ask a grounded yorubaman or woman to explain what it means to say, ‘à yè gbà Tàpà tàn o fé kò'lè igunu'. Does this mean,Yoruba and Tapa are same stock? Of course not . All migrants outside Ileife, during and after Odua took cognisance of their ancestral connection to ILE IFE,with panegyric( oriki). Mind you, all founding fathers of new Yoruba settlement ,mostly take along IFA priests,hunters, warriors and other priests of differnent ancestors of theirs to the new found lands,which direction were mostly based on IFA direction.
Even in ancient Yoruba settlement, their exist different families that are grouped along, kings, queens, princes,princesses,chiefs,priests, servants,slaves,citizens and all group of people in the ancient society had panegyric ,which determined, who can be married to without discrimination.
And yes,slaves and servants were lured to Ilórin by Àfónjá and not Àlìmì. He, Àlìmì was himself a servant of Àfónjá.Ilorin history have been dissected by historians and each family know her ancestors history.
Contrary to your opinion, interwoven of southern Nigeria hasnt change the fact that each group know, where they migrated from,when matter arises.
The Olukumi that fought for Bini left Bini,when things changed.What does that mean to you, when group of warrior left their extended relation? It simply meant ‘ oko kî in sì là mâ sì àalà.
There is no reason to be sympathetic about this because,God didn't make mistake about language development,culture and mode of worship.
Do you even know Ibos are more bodily hairy than Yorubas? I bet you have no idea about this or didnt care to note it because of your belief about southern Nigeria. People can be related, which is quite true but one's ethnic group come up before anything else. Among the Ga people, they still disagree on their different migration despite the favt they are a unified entity because of their ancestors history. The same can be said about Khoikhoi are the traditionally nomadic pastoralist non-Bantu indigenous population of southwestern Africa and San people that are once called Bushmen,who.merged as same group due to close proximity and marriages.
Despite all humanoid are related,the difference still exist because of mode of life and different evolution.

jara:
Olu317,

I agree with you that it is difficult to translate one language to another. I think you gave a wider meaning of OLA which is the point I was trying to make.

But to reduce that name to riches only reflects today's obsession with riches or affluence.

We had rich men without OLA and many with it. So I feel glory as in the name Gloria, reputation and noble background is closer to OLA than riches.

I agree with you totally on the closer meaning of òlà to noble than riches.

Cheers.

jara:
I am surprised that you are also caught up in translating OLA as riches or affluence. This is today's translation since we are in material age.

OLA can have wealth as a factor but not a major or important part. Many people had OLA bestowed on them that are not rich.

When Olola Obafemi Awolowo became prominent, he was not rich. The same with many people from decent home without riches.

Mind you many men of valor were not necessarily rich.
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I am not doubtful about such factor that òlà has a connection to ‘wealth,' although more closely related to riches or affluent and not the way Yorubas try to interpret òrò in the ancient times. The Yoruba language is extremely deep and at times, English translation may not really connect to the real meaning of Yoruba words. Forum as this, is where we share our knowledge based on research to showcase Yoruba history . I strongly believe, we are all students of history. You see, NL has not helped Yoruba history as such with a lot of misinterpretation or misinformation on Yoruba names etc by people who have faint knowledge on this Race .Honestly, in the ancient, certain names are restricted to some families even in their panegyrics. This was how serious, it was. Let me infer on two more words at this moment with the same three letters. Apart from,òlà which is rich.Òlá is tomorrow. Olà(o là) is he/she pierce,to cut through ,divide through etc. Òlòlà is honour or nobility. Òlòlà is borne because of noble birth, given as a nickname, someone who did great exploit, given as a name based on birth which may not be connected to child's family but on IFA dictates etc. Awolowo's surname is a pointer to his ancestors. ìlè là mà un(ù) wo kì à to sò'mò lorùkò.
Some Yorubas like Daniel Ayodele Adeniran and Dr. Kunle Johnson and others have written about these names or surnames. If you consult some Yoruba dictionary,you will not even find some words used daily in our Yoruba dialects,which have done some harm to our Yoruba language's continuum. Literary translation has always been a big problem for us all. Yoruba names carry in them deeper meaning than the way ,many of us see them.

googi:
Wow!

I did not realize that Dele Giwa, Dele Momodu, Segun Ogini, Ayegun, Apata etc are from Bini or Edo. I thought they were from the West. May be the Mid-West got me confused.

We cannot let E-Warrior know this, they will expel all the Bini that are Yoruba from Edo State. Hopefully with their Oba that always lease land at coronation from Ogiso children.

We learn something everyday!

some of the people you mentioned were descendants of famliy that their ancestor were conscripted servants-messenger of Óoní.

N.B:
Yoruba don't disrespect people even if they are low in real status because slave can be become a ‘son' via intermarriage and great exploit.

oyatz:
Returnee ex-slaves don't own anywhere, they only SETTLED on the portion Of Isale-Eko allocated to them by the indigenous Awori land owners.

Furthermore, the retunees settlers descendants were oyos,ijeshas,Ekitis,Igbominas,Okuns descendants etc.

jara:
He is right, Ola means glory.

You have to be careful with Ogo. It has both positive and negative meanings: Olorun make ki a ri Ogo can be negative. But Ogo means more or less iyannu, that is miracle.

Nah....òlà is neither wealth nor glory but rich(es)/affluent, success,breakforth. Wealth in Yoruba is ‘òrò' . And îyànù is ‘wonder' .The word is a combination of four words that's compressed(contraction)into one : ìyà nì lé nù(surprise-wonder). Although It is also used for ‘miracle'.

enm:
So the ogiso were Yoruba. Everyday new information emerge. I used to think the ogiso family are bini. But how come nobody talk about them. The powerful family that were rejected because of their taste for war ( na so dem tell me )

The Ogiso were not Yorubas.But the Oba Bini had Yoruba ancestor called Oranmiyan/Oranyan/Odédè,who was the father of Òwòkà(Èwèkà)

jcflex:
Female cnt be king. thou can rule as ADELE or thereabouts.
which is not that common.

i think Akure have one nit quite long.

Not only Akure but nearly all Yoruba land hold steadfast to this belief. Infact,one descendant of Ooni Odua,who was known as Ooni Luwoo, reigned in ÌlèOfè. She was the matrilineal lineage of the first Oluiwo of Iwoland and descendants.Although with the exception of Ilorin.

Me77:
Although this post is not for me, but there's this strange thoughts I have out of nowhere about who are the real ancient Egyptian?. I have dig in every related material, videos, recorded audios, historian record, and most of all YouTube videos have been very helpful. Just like your advice stated, this whole findings have been overwhelming for me and it makes me very sad, and I mean very very sad indeed. Because I have come to realize they (the white man and Arabs) all know the truth, there are so many clearly written evidence, photos, and most of all the ancient buildings and statues all around Egypt to indicate who the ancient Egyptian are. But thy will never admit. And we the blacks don't care to know or even try to claim what is ours. ,

The ancient Egyptians had a lot of different culture,which was borne out of the wealth of that nation thousands of years ago. People of Bantu ancesrry,Wolof,Sudanese,Ibos,Oromo-Ethiopians,Yorubas,Borgu and many Subsaharans people of West Africans once lived in Egypt and so also,Asians-both Semitic and south East ,once lived in Egypt,if one consider the different Pharaoh(Faroe or Fari)dynasties that ruled Egypt. The reality today is that the arabanised modern day Egyptians wouldn't admit this because of conquest by Assyrians-Hykos-Greeks culture. Around 671 B.C.E, Egypt suffered six invasion by foreigners, and which made Egypt culture became influenced by Greek's (Redford 2006Xiiii). Thus made many inhabitants of Egypt land of Nile to move donward through Sudan to West Africa.Again, in 1892,a historian known as Petrie,exhibited before the British association ,the third and fourth dynasty ,showing distinct Negroid characteristics.These Negroid head-skull were dolichocephalic or long skull. So also in 1899,tombs were examined in Nile Valley and it was discovered that it belonged to a Negroid race of Ethiopian ancestry.
The pointer to this is that Africans ,were people of different culture but fused as one in Egypt during civilization.Racial decriminalization became eminent, when some European historians around the 17th century used this word. It was only during the 19th century that this vague category was transformed in a quasi-scientific system of race and skin color relations. The term "Caucasian" is sometimes used as a synonym for "white" in its racial sense, and sometimes to refer to a larger racial category that includes white people among other groups.Before now,Israelis were not seen as white, the Germans hated for this.The Greek were not seen as white.The British ancestors were not seen as white,which made them fled the German land ,they once occupied etc.
Islam as a religion was used to dislodge the ancient Egyptians identity and once Islam took control of Egypt, their culture disappeared and almost became erased. Aramaic papyrus, pyramid,Biblical script-scroll and other archeological information were the source to reconstruct the ancient Black and other groups that connect their history to Pharaoh-Faroe-Fari of Egypt-Kemet-Amun-Nile.

MrI2015:
All black people came from the same source, all human beings are related.

Correct. But language developed and separated from one another and so also culture.