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Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m):
MetaPhysical:
Olu,
If you don't mind me adding a little more to that to further support your point.


http://www.rybn.org/ANTI/ADMXI/documentation/ALGORITHM_DOCUMENTATION/GPS-MANTIC/GEOMANCY/PAPERS/1980_Stephen_Skinner_-_Terrestrial_Astrology_Divination_Geomancy.pdf


Few excerpts from pages 20 to 28




Euro-centric and Arab-centric biases. This ties in with the earlier discussions regarding ignorance and abuse with the structure and formations of language family and grouping in Niger-Congo. The above on divinations practices should be narrowed to just two forms of divination, Alraml and Orunmila. Note what they call divination in Madgascar, Sikidy, and campare with Sigidi.

Sikidy, Sajjadah, Sigidi - cognates
Alraml, Orunmila, Urim - cognates


I can't talk much right now power is dying.


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On a side note, have you seen this before?
http://www.universityofafricanart.org/Image/Text/New%20Bibeli1.pdf
You see, most of our people ,who are lettered based most of their hypothesis on assumption grin, and when they see some glaring facts, they tend to turn away their eyes from it.

Orumile may actually be Urimm....This is because, urim stand for truth and Justice in EFOD/EPHOD/AFA/ IFA.
I discovered something extraordinary when I saw the name the Arab imitators called geomancy of Ancient –Hebrew/Yoruba IFA . Instead ,the Arab call it their own version, in which the divination is known KHATT AL RAML and DARB AL RAML ( Science of SAND or Earth) which wasnt called the same name as Yoruba's or Hebrew's or North Africa's enclave even when it was first practiced in North Africa.

I am tempted to believed with evidence before me that the Yorubas were the ones that took that Knowledge of divination to North Africa, because Yorubas had at one time or the other also lived in North Africa considering, the similarity with names of Oracular form divination and not Arabs didn't use such name to identify with sand divination.

Why do I believed Yoruba were the ones that took the knowledge to North Africa? This is evident in Yoruba patterns of ancient structure, water system, drums etc ,when they arrived in Yoruba land of today where they met NOK culture and pushed it away.

According to Leo Frobenius 1968:186–204) he discovered, the cultural practices amongst North Africans which were similar to Yorubas . Infact ,this great scholar mentioned that the Yoruba and the Atlantic culture share the following:

• Water storage construction systems. He emphasised that the style of houses constructed by the Yorubas was similar to those used by the Etruscans, Moroccans and Algerians whereby the Impluvium is built in the centre of the house whilst apartments with verandas are built in a rectangular form.

• The construction of their houses. Yorubas construct houses with ridge roofs that are similar to those in North Africa.

• The colour and form of bows and arrows used by the Yorubas are similar to those in Morocco.
• The North African hand loom, unknown in the Sudan, is found amongst Yoruba woman.

• The drum shape and other articles peculiar to North Africa are not found in the Sudan, but are found in Yorubland.

• The existence of the ‘Templum ’, amongst both the Yorubas and North Africans whereby houses are built round a temple or sacred building; even in towns, houses were generally built around sacred buildings.

Leo Fronbenius nailed the presence of Yoruba in North Sfrica but didn't realized at time because the knowledge of geomancy wasnt used as well nor did some few Yoruba critics that didnt realize that Yoruba lived in North Africa at one time or the other.
Recent studies has also shown that ancient Egyptians language has Link with Yoruba's. Apart from Olumide Lucas, Theophilè Obenga has also shown the evidence of shared words with ancient Egypt.
. Do you know the Ancient Hebrew pictorial Alphabets and ancient meaning were the Yoruba's after being interpreted by Western interpreters of the pictorial alphabets?
Let me hint you. The ancient Hebrew alphabet found denoted different signs. And guess what? over 60% of these words has its root in Yoruba's or vice versa. Let me share one with all of us.

Picture: Ox
Associations: All, elk, elephant
Sound: a (ah), e (eh)
Ancient Name: al or el
Modern Name: aleph
Modern Form: א
Meaning: strong, power, leader

Similaritiy
Yoruba
Sound : a(ah)
Meaning : Alè/ lè = strong/powerful/
Alagbara–/ Al– agbara= powerful/ strong

Example 1(statement) : Ègùngùn é lè (His bone is strong/ He has a strong bone)
Example 2( simile): Alè bì Ajèrè: (strong like/as Ajèrè)

It is disheartening seeing some people that claimed Yoruba's language's knowledge yet with no knowledge of the yoruba and the world beyond them.


Yes, I have that stuff in my archive. wink

Thanks.

Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m):
0balufonlll:
Baba please share where it began. Please do not say Arab sand divination because that did not get to these parts until much later. Ever wondered why the only Odu that refers to Islam is one of the last 3 Odus? Also, do remember that the development of divination in Yorubaland was a process - coconut shells, agbigba, kola nuts, ikin, opele & cowries reflect the several stages that were collapsed into ‘Ifa’. Nonetheless, I would like to hear your thoughts.



Do you know Africa as a whole is nowhere on the list of places where oldest fossils have been found? Do you know that fossils are dug out of the nothern hemisphere soil on the regular? Do you also know that the soil in Africa is corrosive and fossils sparsely found in Africa have just been ‘our’ luck that they were not yet dissolved?



Educate us, please.



It is Oke Ora not Oke O’ra. Oke Ora is a short for Oke Oramfe. The hill is located in the direction of Oramfe’s section of Ife. Like some other hills in Ife are named by the direction they are situated. I do not know how the egyptian Ra is probounced but I am 100% sure you not know how the Oke Ora is pronounced.



This is something nobody knows. Putting primordial figures aside, you & I like other people here can only go so far in tracing our ancestries. We may know of the sole progenitor but how about many who were in between before us? I do not think this question should be asked.



Oduduwa takes ram & Oranmiyan takes sheep. You can verify with traditionalists around you, Ram/Sheep have the closest potency to human blood in sacrifice. Oranmiyan taking sheep means nothing, cows, horses, goats have been used. No biggie here. Except your question is in reference to Oyo.



A lot has been ascribed to Oduduwa, a lot that did not happen in his period - before & after. However, no one can say for sure who pegged that name to Ile-Ife. What Oduduwa did was only a groundwork that would have imploded safe for those who came after him. I’ll leave it at that.



Lol Perfect king list, you’re kidding right? There is a lot you do not know about Ife history. We are all learning anyway. What I’ll say is the king list you consider perfect is way much longer, I mean way longer. And I’ll ascribe the king list to Aderemi not Oduduwa.



This is not true and it is also a misinformation. The style of art is basically the doing of the artist. The only thing distinguishing Obatala related art from others is the knot on the leftside of the wrapper. Are you aware Obalufon, a non Oduduwa related personality, had his related items found in Owodo, an Oduduwa related location.



An awo of Iledi will answer publicly or privately. Iledi is not to be lied about, the risk is too great and there’s no reason to be aggressive, it is either a person is or not, I think.
I want to touch on IFA and expose the researches that had been carried out without bias by different researchers.

First, IFA of Yoruba didn't begun in Yoruba land of Nigeria because, all the three most mysterious people that have infinite knowledge of astrology and one supreme God; Yoruba,Hebrew and Arab had knowledge of IFA of Yoruba, EPHOD of Hebrew and Khatt al Raml of Arab's ( science of the sand) . Therefore it can be said that history of divination is as old as humanity. And the account of Hebrew showcase the beginning of of geomancy, with a unique way of reaching out to supernatural power beyond human comprehension.

The history of Hebrew acknowledge EPHOD as being different from the description of the clothing of the Hebrew high priest which is in the Book of Exodus, which portrays the Urim and Thummim as being put into the sacred breastplate , worn by the high priest over the Ephod .
Where the biblical text elsewhere describes an Ephod being used for divination, scholars presume that it is referring to use of the Urim and Thummim in conjunction with the Ephod, as this seems to be intimately connected with it; similarly where non-prophets are portrayed as asking HaShem for guidance, and the advice is not described as given by visions, scholars think that Urim and Thummim were the medium implied. In all but two cases (1 Samuel 10:22 and 2 Samuel 5:23 ), the question is one which is effectively answered by a simple yes or no ; a number of scholars
who? believe that the two exceptions to this pattern, which give more complex answers, were originally also just sequences of
yes or no questions, but became corrupted by later editing.
There is no description of the form of the Urim and Thummim in the passage describing the high priest's vestments, and a number of scholars who believe that the author of the passage, which textual scholars attribute to the
priestly source , was not actually entirely aware of what they were either. Nevertheless, the passage does describe them as being put into the breastplate, which scholars think implies they were objects put into some sort of pouch within it. Urim essentially means guilty and Thummim essentially means innocent , this would imply that the purpose of the Urim and Thummim(Ephod) was an ordeal to confirm or refute suspected guilt; if the Urim was selected it meant guilt, while selection of the Thummim would mean innocence.

How is Ephod related to IFA ?

Both Islamic scholars and Western researchers did studies on Geomancy and the advent of it point to Middle East ,especially of Arab origin, which was claimed at first by western researchers that it was from Arabs. But Islamic scholars on divination pointed the advent of divination to the ancestors of the Hebrews,who was called prophet Idris, who was the great grandfather of Abraham .
In geomancy, there are three related divination that history acknowledged,which include: Ephod– Urim and Thummim of the Hebrew, IFA of Yoruba ( so also Mina– sub yoruba group in Bénin republic) AFÁ, (AFA of North Africans) while the Arabs call it, Khatt al–Raml,which is sand divination,in Arabic.

Method of divination?
Method of divination include: sands, cowries, bones,kolanut etc are used for divination.
According to the Yoruba's account ,the history of IFA started from Orunmiela, who was the pathfinder of IFA's knowledge. And IFÁ , being one of the oldest forms of geomancy, uses the same sixteen geomantic figures which is in the same Arabic mode of divination.

Can you figure out the reason for the same geomantic figure sixteen?

The Western researchers did research and have always thought hat IFA was either taught to Yoruba by Arabs or both Yoruba and Arabs develop IFA/(EPHOD) together at one time or the other because, the same pattern of sixteen figure divination exist in both geomancy knowledge

Can you tell us why such similarity if it started in Yoruba land of Nigeria before Islam existed in Yoruba Land ?

Guess what?
Despite the believe by westerner researchers that Arabs developed geomancy (sand-divination), the Arabs,themselves acknowledged the history.of geomancy–astrology etc through the ancient Hebrew ,because, Idris, was the first taught by God,through an Angel,according to some Arabic scholars.

According to history(seiss 1972,pg 150) there is the account of divination that started from Midrash account.

The Midrash stated that Terah, Abraham's father, was an astrologer and that both Midrash and Talmud described that Abraham wore a large astrological tablet on his breast. Each morning the kings of the East and West would gather before him to seek his advice (Joel 1977. p.150-158)

Cassini refers to Philo who noted that Terah, the father of Abraham, who lived more than a hundred years with Noah, studied astronomy and taught it to Abraham, who according to Josephus and others, taught it to the Egyptians during his sojourn in that country... (Seiss 1972 p.149).
The Jewish traditions say that Adam wrote a book about the creation of the world and another on the Deity. Kissaeus, an Arabian writer, says it is the teachings of his people that Abraham possessed certain sacred writings of Adam, Seth and Enoch, which describes laws and promises, threatenings from God and predictions of many events and that Abraham taught astronomy to the Egyptian priests at Heliopolis... (Seiss 1972 p.150).

It was also affirm historically that ,divination was brought by by the Arabs to North Africa in 9th century and which was called AFA in North Africa. So, also, Within West Africa ,no group can divine in the same formula with its sixteen geomantic figure except Yorubas without any link to the arrival of Muslims. And no record attest to how IFA came to Yoruba land in Nigeria or related form of Yoruba divination – geomancy being practice in other African tribes or ethnicity were all different?

Why?
It is because, the origin of IFA didn't exist in Africa until Yoruba brought it from Middle East,which was taken to North Africa and called AFA in 9th century before Yorubas settlement in West Africa,which is the reason that only Yoruba related group can understand the sixteen geomantic figure for divination as being found among Yoruba.

The point here is that divination existed before the settlement in Yoruba land. .
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 10:49am On Jun 26, 2018
MetaPhysical:
Na God we dey beg to forgive us all. Ese pupo!
Omode gbon, Agba gbon...oun la fi da IleIfe!
Diversity is the bedrock of Yoruba civilization!
Béeni. Amó awon àgbá tun wi pè , omodè ti o ba mo òwò wé lo n ba àgbà jèùn.

Odua agbè wa.
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 10:44am On Jun 26, 2018
OlaoChi:
This is an online forum. Take what easy exactly?

If he cannot defend his claims he should say so and not throwing curses
This is my problem with people, who forget things easily . Do you just use word unfiltered or you just don't know how to read between, what you send as information online? I am perturbed at your defence, do you know why? This is because, you were the ONLY yoruba man,that used ,‘bastard' on this forum. Do you have comprehensive knowledge of ‘bastard' , in Yoruba's worldwide? You remained wrong with your usage, because, you reffered to us with a figurative speech manner. And you did this because we see what you dont see and know what you dont know. Seriously, you need learn to be weary of word usage,especially, in a forum where knowledge are acquired. The attitude you display is among the reason,where transfer of knowledgeable powers i.e coded words within Yoruba cosmology were hidden from many descendants and taken to the grave by many ancestors. Kindly imbibe in you,more Omoluabi's attribute.

Awon Àgbà àatijó won wí , ‘Éesó Péelée péelée ni òró aiyè'.
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m):
OlaoChi:
I didnt mean it as a banter, I dont banter. What you people are doing here can be grievous..many people still rely on internet for all their knowledge on Yoruba, when they start reading claims of Yoruba having Semitic origins without being challenged or questioned for evidence you will find that Yoruba identity would have been Sabotaged and its history lost...take a look at Igbos, a total mess with all that Hebrew origin nonsense that is very popular among them, hardly will you find an igbo person that knows any Igbo history. Yoruba cannot be allowed to be like that. If you come with any claim, be prepared to provide evidence or shut up.

Again stop calling me Igbo, My father is not Igbo and I do not identify as Igbo, I take great offence at that because i know your aim and reason for calling me Igbo. You cannot come here hypocritically telling me to not 'offend' when i warned you people not to call me Igbo severally, that is an attempt to discredit my personality - a very foul play, that is insult and he attacked me first but your bias self being of the same 'Semitic origin theory' as him will not say the truth. You can call your mods... Calling me Igbo is telling me I don't know my father, so stop trying to be pretentious, it falls flat

Fact remains I am more Yoruba than you all who deny your Yoruba ancestors. And it is not a lie that a man who doesn't know his father is a bastard, i never called anyone bastard directly, he knows that he cannot defend his claims that is why he resorted to curses grin grin grin
shows that he cant deal with being questioned, it shows that he cannot prove Arabs are his fathers. Of course lies cannot stand the test of time, and when liars are faced with challenge they melt
Don't give excuse for your misconduct . A true Yoruba son that you claimed to be know that each word spoken or written for public consumption must be acknowledged that it is either, it has a negative or positive undertone to it . Then, you are probably the one, who relied solely on Yoruba's history from Yorubas authors whose knowledge are limited and didnt see the need to compare and contrast with other people's language and history, which has been made possible through modern day technology, in other to see if such antiquity is real, especially as it relate to AfroAsia link,in which the location is much around Egypt–Arabia–Mesopotomia's location.
So, dont give excuses, because ,you are not even 1/10th of my or some of us Yorubaness. Now, here are the things you need ponder over and give answer to or else quit this forum for integrity sake if you can't cope with evidence you see on here.

1. Do you so much believed IFA began in Yoruba land in south west Nigeria ? grin

2. Do you know ILE IFE of Nigeria is not among anywhere top three rated over the human fossil found in Morocco, Israel and Ethiopia?

3. Do you know the Ibos that you kept reffering to have claim of Hebrew's ancestry yet they have a TRADITION that REJECT EATING OF RAM?

4. Is it Ra land in Egypt or Oke O'Ra is where Odudua and his group was said to have descended from?

5. Who was the father of Odudua?

6. Why is Ram/ Sheep used as sacrifice for Ooni and ancestors worship of Oranmiyan as being used for lives in Hebrew history ?

7. Was ILE IFE in Nigeria, called ILE IFE before or after Odua and his group inhabit that location ?

8. Why was it,until Odua and his descendants emerged, that near Perfect King lists had a better record?

9. Why were difference in the facial look of Odua group dynasty and Obatala's, which were earlier dynasty which were seen in sculptors of human Head figures sizes found in ILE IFE ? If you dont understand; The Odua sculptor heads dynasty grew beards all over their own faces,while Obatala's didn't. Explain it if you have knowledge of it

10. Why ask if someone is an “initiate”, or you think you are the first to have knowledge of ILÈ'DI ?

If you want to exchange knowledge, do it right, always. And , even among the list of Yoruba words which have little connection with non yorubas or assimilated yorubas,still have Semitic–Hebrew words with same cognates.If you have knowledge of Hebrew word list you will find few ones that I posted in the list of Yoruba words and its near English equivalent, that I challenged you but you can't see them because you don't have such knowledge of Semitic words. grin
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m):
MetaPhysical:
Baba thanks. I responded to email. Modify your post.
Kindly take it easy on him.

Odua a gbè wa l'asé Èlèdumàrè
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m):
BabaRamota1980:
Olu, where u dey, abeg help me beg metaphysical to soften. I see where he warned this guy to stop using vulgar words on him, but he continued, so i cant blame metaphysical....but this is open forum, agbalagba must exercise restraint and forgive even when small pikin offend. Add mouth beg this man. This is heavy stuffs, we dont want this on a discussion like this that can be retrieved by anybody and anywhere. Not good. Abi wetin you think?
Just saw this. I didn't see that vulgar words the young lad used on metaphysical at all.

Hmmmm! Aí fi bó'wó fun àgbá ni jé àiyé o gún n.
It is really pathetic seeing such.
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 7:54pm On Jun 24, 2018
OlaoChi:
This is what you get when you lack proper Education

Read the screenshot properly and ask those around you if you cant comprehend the underlined words
I don't lack proper Education sonny. You are the one that need do better or humbly proof our works/ research wrong. Imaging what you did OlaOchi? You are not agreeing to JOSEPH GREENBERG, a man vast in linguistics any more?Come off it dear.



We don't dislike you but want you to exhibit a real Omoluabi's attitude, even when you have a point to share. Mind you, Hamitic being used by Greenberg's analysis even cover what you sent . After all, he made it a reference in his research that the classifiers lumped a lot of languages together and which need not be so but because of their rush to make a point on Africa languages. So take it easy and learn from the hidden mystery some of us who are willing to share.
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 7:40pm On Jun 24, 2018
BabaRamota1980:
That guy has been here aand had debates with guys that are far superior than you in terms of knowledge, exposure and accomplishments and the debate did not enter into gutter. They remained opposed from beginning to end and with decorum and respect across.

This is why to me you will be omo ibo, you exhibit all the characteristics of Ibos on nairaland.

1. You are offensively loud
2. You do not display Omoluabi
3. Instead of attack points you attack Yorubaness of your opponent and insult them for not agreeing with you.
4. You called a person older than you omoale and when warned you did not desist.
5. You failed to provide tangible Yoruba values outside of what is available on internet.
6. You failed to define laba or provide the essence of sigidi
7. You discredit great Yoruba scholars and disrepute their achievements because it does not support your argument.

You see that last one, thats unforgiveable. Macof, the hardcore Yoruba aborigene activist, in all the times Ive listened to him and followrd him, that guy will never yield an inch of ground to the Yoruba migrant people but........you will never ever ever hear him disrepute any Yoruba scholar whether on his side or on oppositr side. Same goes for 9jacrip, terracota and a host of them.

Even if you are yoruba, your attitude and ways do not concile with us....then you are asking us to see Yoruba on same scale with yanminri. Are you crazy? When you add ibo here you see my red eyes. angry
I think his matrilineal grandpa or something is Ibo.

Take it easy on him . He is just being naive.
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m):
BabaRamota1980:
People like him with claimed knowledge should be assisting his kins in Ngwaland to open threads and showcase Ibo history instead of jumping ln Yoruba thread. I saw his many attempts trying to link Yoruba with Ibo. They have no history so they use us to attain significance. grin grin

Im glad you and metaphysical refused to address anything Ibo in here. This is Yoruba.

Hey olaochi if you want to highlight what Oduyoye said about Ibo, open a thread biko so Ibo historians can join with you. grin grin
He said, he is Yoruba! I don't know ,which is which but certainly he blunders a lot. I wonder, if Ibos as an ethnicity is so small that researchers didn't see, before the comparison and contrast of yorubas with many groups/ethnicity even with Ibos . And there is nowhere that yoruba genome fit as same ancestry with Ibos.Yet Yoruba had been found to Netherlands genome. And recently, Yoruba have been acknowledged as having Homo heidelbergensis that probably exised thousands of years ago and could be the specie that contributed the unknown eight ( 8 ) % percentage into Yoruba genome.
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 2:21pm On Jun 24, 2018
This is what Théophile Obenga said about Yoruba similarities with Ancient Egyptians language.

“ Sound correspondence between Ancient Egyptian and Yoruba cognates are regular and form and meaning show strong similarities. It means that Egyptians and Yoruba can be traced back to a COMMON STOCK,older than “ Niger Congo", “Bantu Congo", “Proto Congo" ,“Common Bantu"


grin grin grin

Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m):
BabaRamota1980, come and see a disappointing Yoruba young man that act like them them from other region,who are always filled with hate when facts are glaring before them. In fact, he even said ‘Hamitic' isn't a word that was used by a well known linguist ,which was used to represent the classification of African language.
Below was the exact word of ‘Joseph Greenberg' . I am not the kind that can laugh a lot. grin So, kindly come and help me inform him , that he has blundered as a bittered Yoruba man,with no knowledge of antiquity and history

Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m):
OlaoChi:
I stopped reading where you wrote "hamitic"
No linguist or anthropologist would use the term "hamitic"

Provide evidence please or shut up and run along like the other two have
Just look at how unlettered you are? So, Hamitic isnt used by linguist? Very disappointed at the poor knowledge you had acquired over 4 years on NL. What a waste! Funny enough, I am not even two years on NL and had knowledge of my history via the right source before being on NL . Just look at you and the choice of words that you use as if you and I are age mate? Anyway, don't ever quote me again. Else, I ask for your ban.Period.
Go edit your unlettered ignorance of ‘hamitic' before I share your knowledge on NL. I just have compassion on you because you claim Yoruba.
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m):
The purpose of this thread must be achieved which is a pointer to non aboriginal but foreign elements that came to Southwest Nigeria and transformed the system of rulership to a proper mornachy system fashioned, after hereditary. So also to disprove erroneous and catastrophic lumping of different language as one within Niger–Congo such as Bantoid,who are basically within the Basin of Niger Area– Congo enclave.

Here again is the FON language, which is classified as a KWA grouped affiliate alongside a strong population of Yoruba, that span over 40 millions within Nigeria and when the ones that lived outside Southwest are totalled ,the number will more than 60,000,000 in countries such as Repubiique Du Bénin, Togo, Ghana Sierra-Leone, Liberia, South and North America etc

How is Fon intelligible to Yoruba language? it is not intelligible to Yoruba language

FON : Widespread. Atlantique, Littoral and Zou departments. 1,900,000 (2016). Total users in all countries: 1,935,500.
Status: 3 (Wider communication). Alternate Names: Dahomeen. Autonym: Fongbe. Dialects: Agbome, Arohun, Gbekon, Kpase.
Classification: Niger-Congo, Atlantic-Congo, Volta-Congo, Kwa, Left Bank, Gbe, Fon.
Comments: Traditional religion, Christian.

Those, who think Fon language is intelligible amongst Yoruba speaker should compare and contrast Agbome, Aroun, Gbekon, Kpase(Fon language known as Fongbe) against Yoruba dialects if both ethnicity are mutually intelligible and belong to same family?

Food for thought.
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m):
12salim:
LOL! You jareers never ceases to amaze me! One madder than the other!
You are an Habeesha,right? And if you're the person in your moniker ,then, use your word cautiously my dear, because you a very ‘very' young man!
An advice , contribute your genuine opinion or sit back and read through only. Thanks
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 12:19am On Jun 24, 2018
Hati13:
Your statements are contradicting each other. You said “this is a public forum for open discussion and interchange of ideas” and say why are you concerned with Yoruba. To tell you the truth I’m not concerned with Yoruba and like you said this is a discussion forum so when I saw this thread, I started to discussion.

And don’t get emotional and say Ethiopian civilization is inferior to Yoruba. You are screaming “stay on topic” but here is you getting out of topic (saying Yoruba is superior to Ethiopia in civilization) and trying to initiate a conversation so you can scream “stay on topic” if I responded. You are a sick man.
When did you become this Hati13? undecided You can do better than this.
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 12:13am On Jun 24, 2018
OlaoChi:
@Olu317. I am still waiting
As long as you wish, you can wait. It is practically impossible for you to engage without letting emotion control your state of mind, simply because you feel angered over information thrown at you . You agreed with non native and non speaker who were the people/researchers/linguists that grouped Africa into five language family; Hamitic, Semitic, Bantu,Sudanese and Bushman, but you condemn others who have more related words and cultural affinity to Yoruba as not true. Even to the extent of using a very derogatory word on me? Obviously, you are a young man.

This is a food for thought for you from a man who is one of the most respected linguist, Joseph Greenberg. This is what he had so say as regard classification of African language and all the people/ linguists that grouped such languages.

“ Africa, The Semito–Hamitic ( since the ultimate relations of the Semitic group to the Hamitic cannot be doubted ) and the Sudanese whose membership for the moment mist, be restricted to the West Sudanese and Bantu and which may some day be demonstrated to include all the other non Hamitic languages. The great desideratum of African linguistics remains more DESCRIPTIVE DATA. When one considers that of the HUNDREDS of LANGUAGES of Africa, a mere HANDFUL has received anything approaching a DESCRIPTIVE treatment by PRESENT DAY LINGUISTIC STANDARD, that there are still LANGUAGES of which we know hardly more than the NAME, it is evident that the careful reconstruction of the Parent Speech of each restricted group of languages and further comparison carried with rigor demanded in historical linguistic work,must, to a great extent, wait upon the further accumulation of ACCURATE DESCRIPTIVE MATERIAL. The hypothesis of widespread hybridization and morphological borrowing ,so often assumed by the DESPERATE CLASSIFERS ,while it cannot be ruled out
a priori must be subjected to the TEST OF NORMAL METHOD OF historical linguistics based on adequate material. "
His assertion meant most of the classifer's work were based on inconsistency,kangaroo method of gouping . . What a damning effect on Yoruba language and some others!

I wouldnt have posted this because it is not for your eyes only but reference.

An advice : Explore beyond your boundary and learn to be a good Omoluabi.
Culture › Re: Origin Of The Name Yoruba by Olu317(m): 10:19pm On Jun 23, 2018
lawani:
The Songhai copied it from the Phoenicians who were proto Arabs. Uropa in Phoenician means west and it was used to refer to Europe and Europeans, The Songhai being Muslims copied from the Arabs the word which has now gained another meaning of a non Islamic but advanced people.
Jon Wilson, a specialist in Indian his history, acknowledged that Phoenician called themselves as Samaritan Cushites. How were they Proto Arabs? Arabs were small in population before Muhammad came with Islam. And their procreation via One male to four wives led to their population explosion. Further more, the etymology of Yoruba remained within the Yoruba people.
Culture › Re: Oba Of Benin Visits Ooni Of Ife by Olu317(m): 6:57pm On Jun 23, 2018
Moneywomen17:
very correct war is necessary but for Yoruba to fight war there need to be preparation in the place of weapon and so many other essential. Like u said we live with a lot of primitive people in Nigeria and most of them do not value life so they are always ready to fight and die in a war. Disintegration of the waste bin in Nigeria will only be good news for Yoruba.
Not easy as it seems. Take it easy ,my dear.
Culture › Re: Origin Of The Name Yoruba by Olu317(m):
geosegun:
@Olu317: What you have in the eulogy above is O ba mi or Oba kan (descriptive), which means, 'of the same father', that's pure and unadulterated Yoruba. Lifting Yoruba words for related meaning does not connotes correctness. Like igba(calabash) is different from Igba (garden egg), Igba (200), Igba (locus bean) and Igba (Period) etc.
I agree with you. But as you and I know,spoken yoruba words is quite different from written form because it doesn't need accent on it to perfect what one mean . Unlike when one want information to be passed across to differentiate them via typing /writing. And yes, O'bá(supreme/King over all ( King/ Ooni / Princes) was what I mean. Generally, it is used by all Yorubas but in the Eastern part of Yoruba Land ( Kaare Ba mi/ Okún Ba mi ) is more of a common form to salute,especially after a younger man salute an older man who may say such to respond to such exchange of salutation . Furthermore, this eulogy, is common with Lajamisan- Lajadoogun lineage, from, what I have seen .
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 1:52pm On Jun 23, 2018
MetaPhysical:
Hopefully the Araba is qualified enough on your scale to be taken seriously.

Listen to the Araba here.
http://www.sacred-texts.com/afr/ife/index.htm
He will not agree with your information, because he and others are always clinging to people who have not done anything on Yoruba's history or archaeological interpretation of excavated works. And when the Western researchers comments, about the uniqueness of the works and compared such with archeological finding in middle East , you will see them argue blindly ,wihout evidence. Even the excavated 1000+ years beads and work being done at both Eredo and Ife are not sponsored by Nigeria government but foreign sponsors.
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m):
OlaoChi:
You are not the only native yoruba speaker stop misleading people here with falsehood.


And yet Yoruba did not keep any traditional record of coming from the middle east? The Olukumi you are referring to didnt forget where they came from, some clans among the Ga people of Accra didnt forget where they came from, the Akus of Sierra Leone didnt forget where they came all that is true but why bring this up as if it helps your argument? Or are you trying to say Yoruba never forget where they came from but we forget we came from the Middle East? grin grin grin grin


Good now finally you are making progress, you are now bringing linguistic samples to examine your claim
Just to point out -
Ogu is found among the Fon and Ewe people and worshipped as the Loa of metal workings just as the Yoruba do Ogun. The Igala have Ogun.

Ile Oosa means house of Oosa/Orisa..2 words. to put simply a 'temple'


Now whats to say these 6 words are not rare coincidence that happen between any two unrelated languages of the world because as every normal person knows, because two words spell alike, or sound alike doesnt always mean a connection, what about the etymology and thought behind the word? Well here are 6 similar words between Yoruba and Japanese

Yoruba Japanese.
Ogun x Shogun. Both relating to Military
Ese Asi. Leg
oko Otto. Husband
Omi Mizu x water
Ado(a city) Edo(a city)
Osukpa x Otsuki. Moon





6 words doesnt cut it Olu, that is less than 0.5% lexical similarity... 6 words that we do not have clarity on Etymology

Study more till you can find at least half of the yoruba lexicon to be of Semitic languages



Reburial tradition or transferring dead bodies is present all over the world, Africa especially. This is not peculiar to Hebrews and Yorubas. In fact it was rare among hebrews, if ever done at all.

White denotes purity in all cultures.. site something peculiar. Seclusion after childbirth is actually 41 days in yoruba traditions. And many cultures have that too. medically it takes 6 weeks for a mother to recover which is around 42 days


Oh and answer my previous questions, don't leave them hanging... if you believe yoruba are hebrews so much you should be able to answer them
1. identify the yoruba art from the pictures i post
2. where is Ifa among the hebrews
3. where is evidence that Igbo, Fon, Ewe, Igala etc all Niger-congo language speakers got their versions of Ifa from Yoruba
Look at your ignorance? How do you know the original Hebrew's language? Just imaging, the man am quoting grin?
There are about five( 5 ) millions+ speakers who are in present day Israel and the world at large that speak infiltrated modern Hebrew ( Western scholars affirmed to it) . You probably don't know this, do you? If you were a Christian, this question is for you; What population do God of Abraham promised him to be his descendants?

How many continents do you have Hebrew speakers?

How many continents can you find Yorubas shouting out to the whole world for recognition of their identity,( you have eyes but can't see because your heart is filled with hate) grin

1. So, I am your student that need identify Yoruba's work among what you posted? Smh do it yourself. What you posted litters the net.

2. Ogun is war
Ogún is man of war/ man of valor. And how does this fit in to your shogun?
Jagun is engage in war.....You are just funny grin

3. Call a Dibia and the rest clans native priests if they knows who Orunmiela means in their cosmology? cheesy
4. Oko was not the original word for husband in the ancient time but BAALÈ grin
5. Fon, Ibo had the knowledge but guess,what they are mot vast in it. This simply me it was taught to them by Yorubas

Ègun in Cotonou/ Lagos shared slight relationship with Yorubas due to proximity and intermarriages. I have lived among Égun/Ogu people and her language isnt intelligible amongst yoruba speakers. How are they now classifed as same language? I posted Ethnologue of Gbè people, didn't you see it ? Even if you want Fon's ethnologue, I will give it you . If you mention, Igala, it is not a big deal because there are some element among Igala that have ancestry linkage with Yorubas ,so what? How on earth did you school or am I missing something here ?

Didn't I mentioned Igala as Yoruboid despite the fact Igala is not an ancient yoruba people that used ‘Ba'/Baalè/ Baalé/Eledumare/ in their daily usage . Even Attah of Igala acknowledged this! Good Lord.

Your answers must be provided to the words I posted above, which are found words or shared among Igala by you and other tribes such as Fon, Ewe, Ègun, Igbo etc, since you are an expert. Provide just 30% similarities with what I posted but you can't. I dare you.

You must take a bow and show some respect grin
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 11:35am On Jun 23, 2018
MetaPhysical:
This is an Ethiopian myth. I have serious questions about what you posted here but because this thread is about Yoruba, not Ethiopia, I restrain my challenges.

What ethnicity is Sheba?
You see, once you limit mindset , you become restricted to only what you have lay your hands on but if you are adventurer, you add to the one you already know. Ethiopia as it seems to you looked like the present day Ethiopia? If ,yes, you are wrong. I had made reference to the places Ethiopia covered in the past. So open your mind to knowledge. If Coptic was a transferred knowledge from Hebrew's land ,then you should not just call Sheba as a myth. In fact, according to Wilson, a man well vast in Inda history, was coedited saying that, for instance, there were some people where Ethiopians and they call themselves cushites .,while some Phoenicians in the days of Christ call themselves ‘Samaritan Cushites'. And just showed that many people lived together in the same location for a long time before conquest begun. Do you not know that Israel's pantheism and deeds in Egypt made Queen sheba visited Solomon's kingdom and his wisdom? The point here is that She ba existed and there are account of it even fro. Arab's account –Quran's account as well as biblical's. Even if you disagree religious view, historical account acknowledged this woman's wealth and splendour in her days.
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m):
Hatie ,
You arent a speaker of Yoruba language , and failed to see from different researchers of well funded Western researchers that made exploration possible,via treasure hunting , expedition etc which brought forth the study of human history. We dont live in the stone age anymore and work have not been stopped on excavation of the past history of great kingdoms/Empire. So I want you to call the attention of the moniker like OlaoChi etc ,who claimed that they are knowledgeable about Yoruba language's history and the affinity with many tribes/ethnicity that lived alongside Yorubas . Kindly draw their attention to it. grin because I want them to prove these words that are Yoruba and such neighbours,similar meaning etymologically . I am willing to give them all 48 hours to proof me wrong that Yoruba shared same language/ dialects with all, except the one I had mentioned in the past grin
Below are some daily applicable Yoruba words and its closely related English meaning:

Àba /Ba/Uba/Aba=father
Aiyè=world
Àki/Àkin=brave
Akó=male
Abó=female
Âfin= Palace
Alafin/Olofin= owner of the palace
Àalá=dream
Àalà=white
Âala=demication
Âarin= middle (in between)
Àará=thunder
Arà=eonder
Àadà=we create
Âajó=travel
Àajè=spirit wealth
Ajé=witch
Adié= Fowl/hen
Adié-irànà= sacrificial fowl
Alaiyè=living one/Alive
Aanu=mercy
Alujonú= spirit
Àlalé=spiritual owner of the land
Adè=crown
Adamo= humanbeing(s) created via mould
Aasalè =late evening evening/ late at night
Ajèji= stranger
Alèejo=visitor
Atíjó,= ancient
Bàalé=husband
Bàalè=duke
Baba=ancestor ( original meaning) but corrupted to Yoruba's city language of ‘father'
Éebi=relative/relation
Èejí=rain
Éerín=laugh
Èri=testify
Ésún=allege some one of a crime
Béeru= fear/Afraid
Éyì= this one
Èyikèyi=any–one
Énì= mat
Éní= anybody
Énikéni=anyone
Étan= deceive
Éebo= sacrifice
Ípata= notorious
Jigi=mirror
Òdé=hunter
Oorún=heaven
Éeni=person/one(human) and not numerical
Oojúmó= break of dawn
Oojó= daily
Òjó= day
Owuró/Àaró=morning
Osàn= noon time
Irolé/urolé= evening
Ogún= warrior/man of valour
Èshù= messenger of Èledumare that is in care to prevent good from happening and allow good to happen
Jùbá= pay homage
Jagún= to war
Óbé = soup
Ofà=arrow
Óokó=cano
Okè= up/mountain
Orà/ óràn =to bright
Orá= decay
Rò=stand
Ràará=dwarf
Rà=buy
Irà= swamp
Èwè=leaf
Îgi=tree
Iji= hurricane
Ijo= dance
Ìwín= forest spirit
Okunrin=man
Obinrin=woman
Olè=lazy
Olé=thief
Òlòoshà= robber
Ki=salute
Ràadàradà=nonsense
Éla=potent word of God(Èledumare) for creation/ The first word spoken by God, which mean ‘to see through darkness/ void ( tcome to existence/being )
Èyin= egg
Èeyinjù/Èeyinojù=eyeball
Éefùn= potash
Éefún= hypnotise
Èerupé/Èepé=sand
Kû=die
Lèkè=triumph .......
Ooré= friend
Oorè= helper
Èdà= created human being
Dà=create
Èebú=abuse
Éedí= be on spell
Éléda=creator
Élédam(i)=my creator
Éeyé=celebrate
Éiyé=bird
Ébóorà = spirit being
Dè=arrive
Iró=lie
Mó=build
Mò=know
Ibú=ocean
Onà=path/road
Irukéré= in form of tassel on the ear of corn, the cow-tail carried about by the priests or kings.
Ijooyè=chief
Oba=king
Omo'ba=prince/princess
Là= Teach
Làamlóoyé/làamilóoyé= explain to me/teach me your knowledge
Òoyè= chieftancty title
Sí= exist
Sé=Deny
Sèelè= happen
Gbó=hear
Gbò=bark
Ó fin= acceptance of sacrifice
Ògbó=old
Òrò=wealth
Òró=word
Ri=see
Wi=speak
Yó=rejoice

Cheers
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m):
Hati13:
I was talking about present day Ethiopians in this case. But I didn’t said from time immemorial but just said the features other than light skin is native to the area (originated tens of thousands of years ago).


Here is about the genetic,
http://venturesafrica.com/yorubas-are-99-9-genetically-igbo-study/amp/

So you do really believe Yoruba language to be more intelligent with Semitic languages than Niger-Congo languages? I’m done let’s end the discussion.
You see, scholarly research have nothing to do with this Yoruba—Ibo 99.9% percentage genetic study. Read through the analysis and you will be surprise it is not true. Do you know that Yoruba's DNA is among the most used in identifying people's blood traces? One professor David Reich was the man that did serious study on Yoruba genome grin. You can look the man up and check his profile. Again , If you want to really know, more kindly subscribe for it and you will get the softcopy of his study on yoruba. Again, finding was made in 2016, by ARUN DURVASULA and SRIRAM SANKARARAM, both are researchers at the University of California, Los Angeles, that Homo heidelbergensis exised thousands of years ago and could be the specie that contributed the unknown eight ( 8 ) % percentage in YORUBA genome . The statistical technique that was applied to the DNA of 50 modern day Yoruba who had their genetic information sequenced as part of the 1,000 Genomes Project.
The established information stated that roughly eight per cent of their DNA comes from a yet unknown 'ghost' species. And Modern-day pygmies, who may have interbred with the YORUBA people have also been eliminated from the process, as their DNA has been sequenced and it is NOT A MATCH. THIS MEAN YORUBA DONT HAVE PYGMIES GENES grin, KINDLY LOOK UP THE BANTOID GROUP AND SEE THE DIFFERENCE( Bantoid people do had pygmies grin in their genes ) . You see, I am not here to inform anyone wrongly but to inform properly about the reality of what the well funded western researchers had done to affirm who the ancient people were and that they acknowledge the migration of the yorubas from different place before arrival to the present day Southwest Nigeria and environment.

I humbly await those funny lads to counter me,rather than opinions. Don't let them deceive you . And after they must have answered that Yoruba are same with Bantoid ,then I will give you a site/link to see the set of Yoruba that claimed Arabs directly through migration from Songhai—Mali.

Cheers.
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m):
OlaoChi:
Feel bitter? cheesy. I'm having fun with you

6 words out of thousands of words that exist in both languages and you expect a sane human being to believe Yoruba is Semitic? What about sentence structure? Tonality? Semitic languages aren't tonal and use a different structure to set up sentences
All words in Afro-asiatic languages have plural forms but most words in Niger Congo do not.. Plural forms are not a feature of Yoruba language or any of its immediate sister languages.. Yes sister languages cheesy ie. Igbó, Edo, Fon.. Neither is gender forms of nouns..
Yoruba Language for instance is almost without gender.. Heck! There's no word for brother and sister.. It's just senior sibling(ẹ̀gbọ́n) or junior sibling (àbúrò)

I can't think of one single plural Form of a word in Yoruba language... The language only has a plural definite article = àwọn which is added to signify plural in certain cases that context permit


So please prove how Yoruba is Semitic.. I'm begging cheesy



See im extremely intelligent its not everyone that is a fool on Nairaland that you think you can always get to say nonsense and remain unquestioned


I don't think any of the words are loaned but you overstretched the connection and lied about some of their meanings like "ilé oosa" that doesn't mean land of my ancestors but "house of a deity" simply "temple" *
And how do you get "Ilé Oosa" from "Ursalem" cheesy

I already showed you that anybody can claim Yoruba connection to any language.. You gave 6 middle eastern words... From Hebrew to Arabic to Akkadian... 3 languages. I have you 6 words one language cheesy
You're supposed to concentrate on hebrew since the Hebrews are your real target cheesy

And why talk about Egyptian language now? Ancient Egyptian language is not Semitic. You are really confused, you keep shifting the post.. Stick to Hebrews
Feel bittered? Obviously, you are the unrealistic one here. I choose to point to six ,which are different from my screenshots and you are here making mockery of yourself grin. I know you are Ibo,right? Or ibo Yoruba? Guess what if you are interested, get copy of Olumide lucas's work that did study on language affinity with Ancient Egypt. Again, you have nothing to proof wrong because, this is bigger than you. Further more, your domestic knowledge need stay domestically because you don't even have knowledge about African history talkless of Semitic. You kept asking the same questions over and over again! What a being? Have you no knowledge of ancient power, language spoken and strength of Egypt pharaoh's dominance through many places I had mentioned in my previous posts. The google is your friend and if you have no knowledge that original Hebrew developed from Egyptian language and it died permanently in the middle East after the conquest of Juda, then, I AM SORRY FOR YOU. Go read the posts i sent to Hati13, on the strength of ancient Ethiopian pharaohs that ruled Egypt And the current spoken Hebrew/Israel's language was developed around 19th century grin. The biggest clown you are!
Lastly, you must bring out same lexicons shared with Yoruba's words from these neigbour of yorubas because I have posted more than fifty (50+ words), since you claim Yoruba are within same family language grouping with the people you mentioned. Kindly give it some try grin
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 9:36pm On Jun 22, 2018
Hati13:
I never said Nubians/proper Ethiopians weren’t dark skinned.


I don’t know why you are asking me to provide evidence as if I haven’t. Linguistic studies have shown Yoruba language to be Niger-Congo and genetic studies have shown Yoruba to be very similar with other West Africans.
I had thought you said,the feature of ancient Ethiopia/Nubian were same from time immemorial? Well, no new things to distract me from posting more archeological evidence . What do you mean Genetic affinity with who in West Africa ? You are joking right? And how do you group languaged that aren't intelligible among themselves as same? Like I had once said, until proper funding is avail to the academics, many fictional school of thought wont be corrected . Anyway, If you can't provide an answer to it scholarly ,then there isn't any reason to continue in this with you.
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m): 7:51pm On Jun 22, 2018
Well, I have posted and screenshot related and shared words,so why feel bittered about just the six I gave,which aren't the only constant words shared between Yoruba and Afro–Asia / Semitic? I only made more reference to words that are daily used within Yoruba people ,which are present in Semitic-Afro Asia as well .Proof me wrong that those words are loaned? But you can't but uses opinion, which is thrash! . And I am sure anyone with interest in them can download the PDF on my previous post on some shared word between ancient Egypt and Yorubas. If you are so sure,give an account of that counter the research I posted, instead of complaining?
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m):
Hati13:
Olu317,

I didn’t and won’t deny now that those artifacts aren’t the work of Yoruba. And why would I be shocked if the burial of Yoruba and Nubia to be different. The 2 ppl are very different and live long distance apart so difference in culture is expected.

Amharic and all the other EthioSemitic languages developed from proto-EthioSemitic. The latter came from a proto-Semitic that was native to Ethiopia.

And except for light skin feature, the other features of Ethiopians isn’t as a result of mixing but are native to the area. This also disprove your claim that during the pharaoh period Ethiopians look pure black. In fact they had less negriod ancestry than their current descendants.

You are clearly obsessed with Semitic and the Middle East just like African-Americans are obsessed with Moors and Ancient Egypt. You speak a Niger-Congo language and look similar with other West Africans but you don’t want to accept it. You deny your blackness. grin
Give me just
one researcher's name that claimed Ethiopia/Nubian weren't a dark skins. And forget it, I am not obsessed with Semitic but the identity of the people I mentioned are found in corpus of IFA tenets and Yoruba's history. I wait for you to provide me with evidence, countering my information. And I will agree to with you! Just one that claimed you are with the same features as you have them today with the past.
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m):
Hati13,

This was was dug out after professor Leo Frienobus excavations at ILE IFE in 1910/1912
I am sure you will say Yoruba borrowed such sculpture work. And you are wrong because such fit have not be replicated again. All it means is that the sculpture heads and ancient Art work are pointer to where these people came from,which is within ancient Middle East . And if you place the distance from Nigeria( South West) through all the semitic- Afroasia enclave and consider that era that planes didn't exist?I am sure it will be impossible for such transferred of knowledge. The artifacts are testimony of yoruba excellence in Art Work . Well, I am waiting for anyone with concrete information against these seemingly truth grin

Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m):
Hati13:
The words were borrowed.

If ancient Yoruba weren’t black then why are current Yoruba black?
Well, if you say so but your statement is incorrect. Considering the panegyric of Yorubas that relate to Ogun ,the name exist in the historical account of Yorubas and comparable to King who was associated with war. So also other names that I mentioned appeared and exist in Yoruba's names . Despite some inconsistency, Professor Dierk Lange, still acknowedged Yorubas as having traces Jewish tradition in his book,like others did in the late19th century. If I may ask you, how did Amharic language came into existence? Ancient people who lived in places covering, sudan/Nubia/Ethiopia/Caucasians/
Arabia,Mesopotomia/Syria,etc had different humanoid features. Take for instance, If your forefather was a Nubian/Cushite and married a white woman and generation thereafter continues,because of probable proximity of location,What complexion,would such have? And the same is applicable to a white man/ Caucasians. Try visit South and North America or google different countries Yoruba inhabit and check out yorubas complexion and compare with yorubas in West Africa. Today, Ethiopia have a form of distinct look but during the reign of earlier Egytian Pharaohs that Ethiopia ruled ,they were dark skin and pure Black men. But today, Ethiopia today inhabit different facial features that are closely related to Afro/Asia minor/ Arabia's etc .How did such happen if not intermarriage? . Again, I will explain certain feature of old Ethiopia/Nubian royal way of burial which is different from Yoruba's and this will shock you knew. Infact, you may deny grin
Culture › Re: The Arab Origin Of The Yorubas by Olu317(m):
Hati13:
You can’t deny that Niger-Congo languages aren’t related because at one point in the past there was a single language, proto-Niger-Congo, in which all the current Niger-Congo languages descended for. No one is being biase here. Yoruba isn’t being classified as Semitic because it isn’t.

The little similarities between Yoruba and Arabic in vocabulary is as a result of the latter influencing the former after the birth of Islam. And Yoruba starting to be written using Ajami only from 17th century onwards and this is also Arabic influence.

And why do you show Yoruba-Ancient Egyptian similarities to show the similarities of Yoruba with Semitic? Semitic languages and ancient Egyptian language are 2 separate family languages. I know you used the boarder Afroasiatic which fits your claim. But if you want to be specific, either say Semitic or Ancient Egyptian. But even if you put one of them, the reality doesn’t agree with your claim.
As a native speaker of Yoruba language,with good knowledge of the language,who understood the fact that some words are shared words with Yoruba's will attest to such words. In the beginning, there were no record that Yoruba became related to these other groups genealogically, except the places Yoruba descendants infiltrate such environment, then guess what? Such Yoruba descendants kept pointing to their direction, where they came from so as to distinguished themselves from their immediate neighbours. This is a pointer to acknowledge the ancient heritage and the method of recounting their ancestral link to their ethnicity. Whereever they are ,their footprint is recorded intensely. This is how the ancient Yoruba kept record of their ancestral linkage. Is it not an amazement for Yoruba to be so proud of where they came from and kept such for thousands of years even when some part of the history had become forgotten ? Don't be fooled about some biased scholars here ,who chose not to acknowledged shared words with Semitic but claimed it to be transferred through religious link,which is baseless. I am a Yoruba man and have done research on these words.
Let me once again highlight six different one that their etymology of ancient word of Yorubas, dont exist with others in west Africa , because IFA corpus identified them. Namely

1. Ògún(man) was said to be a ruthless warrior/man of valour.

2. Ilé Oosa mi/Ulé Oosa mi/ U/IléOrisa mi,simply mean, the
land of my ancestors (Where I pray/worship my ancestors/gods).

3. Éla -ro wa is the word of Éledumarè's force of creation.

4. Aanu is mercy in Yoruba language.

5. È/éyé is bird in Yoruba language.

6. Alèjo mean Stranger/ visitor

And these words/ name above have closely related meaning with AfroAsia–Semitic language.

1. Etymology of ‘Og’ which makes sense of his association with the warriors of the Rephaim is, as Chaim Rabin suggested, something similar to the South Semitic ǵwg , meaning ‘man’ or ‘man of valour’

2.. "Ursalim" ( the city of the god) is most likely a compound of two words in Western Semitic (a prehistoric language that would later birth Hebrew, Aramaic, Arabic, Ethiopic and more): the verb yaru (“to establish”) and the name Shalim (or Salem), the Canaanite god of dusk.

3. Eli mean God is semitic/Hebrew language

4.Hannon/Hannah means merciful in modern Hebrew

5. Aya/Aiah means bird.

6. Haj/Hajj means visitor

These words were eternal with Yoruba people and not borrowed. And you can't find such word elsewhere except Yoruba's habitations.Even the domesticated loan words are noted easily because ancient Yoruba words are used for conjuring, incantation etc

Do you even know the ancient Dark skin Nubians/Ethiopian had a different feature,as compared to Yoruba's?

Do you know there is reburial in yoruba tradition of the dead from the abode that such was buried to another if need arose ? You can find it in Hebrew tradition

Do you the sculptural heads of royal members/ kings of Yoruba that were dug out don't look like a proper Dark skin of ancient Nubians/ Ethiopians?

Do you know that after a woman must stay indoor for 40 days after she gave birth in ancient Yoruba tradition? You can find it in law of moses

In fact, the most respected colour in Yoruba's cosmetology is white because it denote ‘purity' and always use in burying of the dead nd cleansing etc.

Even when it appears in African religious context, the attachment of importance is different from that of Yoruba's.

Investigate the semitic–Hebrew group and see what the colour white symbolise and attachment to it

In ancient times, the most dominant group's language was the lingua franca. Funny enough, at the peak of Ethiopia/Nubia( Dark skin ) reign as Pharaoh, ancient Ethiopia was mentioned in Sanskrit writing of India And she covered Asia minor, Arabia,syria,Nubia,
Armenia,Mesopotamia, and beyond, according to Puranas while Wilford who was a eminent student of literature of India confirmed said . So it was easy for Language to be understood, develop and spoken through living with in these people before Ethiopia's Pharaoh were defeated. And new powers begun to emerge from different parts that ancient Ethiopia ruled.

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