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Nice to see Oga Mufu promoting his movement. I almost bought one of you araist's pieces some years back for client. He ended up selecting a sculpture from another master's student. E ku work o!

DGenerale: @all. As much as we respect all your contributions, we remain thankful 2 u 4 sharing.

@shadeolad/onegai/mamaoge, we rejoice wt u 4 crossing those bridges. We are also pessimistic. Pls we would still like 2 hv your suggestion of contacts 2 any of those well qualified & competent gynae.

We totally agree 2 seekng 2nd opinion & we cannot also shy away frm d issue of God's divine intervention.

We are also aware of IVF & adoption bt I strongly desire my wife 2 first get over dis painful stage.

Any further useful info wil be appreciated. Thanks 4 being there.

The Gynecologist, Surgeon and other doctors at Emel Hospital, Festac are very good. Also, there's a clinic where they do the fibroid removal surgery (it's off Adeniran Ogunsanya, don't know the name sha). Mecure has a consultant Radiologist, so she can do her scans there and they can run all the tests you need, they also have a team of doctors that can refer you outside the country (they mostly send people to India). There's a hospital in Abuja (it's very popular and they're quite good too). Will get you more details.

Bumping this thread up too.

Pray and get a 2nd and 3rd opinion. I know countless couples in your situation.

My friend's sis was told she'd never have a kid till the fibroid was removed, infact it would damage her womb. Had a son this year. Same with my sister (she even got her medical diagnosis in UK, she's a medical person. Now has 2 annoyingly noisy boys). My friend and cousin are still waiting for their own kids, but we're all hopeful.

No-one knows how your story will end. I know someone who adopted and then her daughter came along 10 years later, then every year after a child would come, so she had 3 more kids.

Don't start running helter-skelter seeking miracles. A lot of people go to MFM church and then say they got a miracle. I believe God knows our fate, and it's not always tied to "I attended this church and my miracle came". Pray deeply, inwards, submit to God and don't leave that path after. And get a 2nd professional medical opinion.

I respect MFM, but I've heard where they gave some "spiritual" tablets to someone, to cure him. It made him worse.

arsetalks: My own foster mother gets attacked every day by patients at NHS and she is white and those patients are also whites. It is definitelly not a situation that is peculiar to Nigeria or Africa alone as you would want us to believe.

Spain had only one recorded case and that one got treatment. If your maths, is 1 ( Un ) bigger than 12?

Liberia is worst. I know cos I have 3 of my relatives with MSF and the reports they are sending back every day is nothing to write home about in fact I as a person have started to assume ( sadly ) that we are now minus 3. Things are bad here we know but not as bad as you and others will want us to believe and hell no, I was/am one of those who really criticised GEJ and his administration for not taking the right steps but the fact that GEJ didn't do the right thing does not mean America should "withhold" help.

If you and your folks bathed hot water and salt doesn't mean everyone else does does it? Also, why was Zmapp not outright rejected without first putting it through the necessary trials. Do you know what Pesticide is? Thats what Nano Silver got called which is why there are so many conspiracy theories and rightly so.

Honestly? You honestly believe those who are clamouring for it wanted it for free? It is simple, America wants the situation to get worst before they produce more of the med at much more expensive rate. It is very simple because even if they had sold it to people ( and off course I am not foolish, I know no one will have demanded it for free ) they would have made alot of money and the fact that they are now selling it right now under the diguise that the med is out of stock is the because either 1. They are trying to put us in a tight corner so we can accede to their many dictates or 2. Trying to use the law of demand and supply to hike up price.

Question is, why was the med termed a pesticide without first asking the man to come forward with his facts and figures and then have him go through a trial?

Na wa. Ben Amosu is NOT the doctor who recommended Nano Silver, Ben Amosu has being doing research on a number of African diseases, he has submitted his work for review. That's why I would rather believe in him, he even submitted to WHO but was told they're not the testing body (that I am willing to believe is financial politics being played). He is NOT the quack advocating Nano Silver. The Nano Silver people are taking to social media rather than entering the FDA lab or even demanding a petition on www.change.org to push testing of Nano Silver up fast, like Tekmira (the other ebola drug which showed promise did). No-one is insulting Tekmira or Ben Amosu (legit people), everyone is suspicious of Nano Silver. Big difference

Nobody is stopping Nano silver from being tested, it has actually been tested before in a lab, but results were not promising. However, it was sold on the market as a dietary supplement (you can buy it off aliexpress sef, same with Bio Silver). Ask your relatives about drugs which have "these claims have not been researched by so-and-so" on it, they are not scientifically PROVEN to work, they MAY. So instead of asking concerned families of already infected individuals to put their loved ones lives in danger so you can prove a point, volunteer yourself for human testing, let's find out about ebola and Nano silver. Is that hard?

Spain got it for its priest because he gave informed consent. No-one is willing to send untested drugs to people who are screaming that the country manufacturing the drugs is the one who lab-engineered the disease and the outbreak. Which is what Liberia and Nigeria were saying (that's why Liberians are breaking into hospitals and releasing sick people, ask your 3 relatives on ground). I won't send any untested drug to even my village if they say that, lest it fails to treat them and they escalate it to "Africans are being used as labrats!" Which, be honest, you have heard Nigerians say.

And yes, they wanna make money off it. Wouldn't you want to get paid for your hardwork? If Africa wants to stop being bullied around, they have to start taking responsibility and stop whining "oh this country is sooo noooot faiiirrrr for not helping us". Are we simpletons, don't we go to school, don't our govts travel and experience better-developed countries?? Why can't we do the same or better, why are we always begging? Are you not ashamed? Shame has still not made you guys angry to demand better governance from yourself and your neighbours.
America owes you NOTHING.

Rooneyboy: My thoughts too!

I keep wondering the wonder drugs they used in treating the four discharged patients .

If I were you, I wouldn't believe that they've discharged anyone. So this FG and LASG

1. Told us Patrick Sawyer was quarantined from the hospital (that was a lie)

2. Told us that all the primary contacts with him were quarantined (that was a lie)

3. Told us in March that they were prepared and had vaccines, hospitals and cures ready (that was a lie)

4. Told us they had shared over N20billion for ebola outbreak and outfitted Lagos hospitals (that was a lie, they only gave the whole of Lagos state 20 PPE suits and took 1000 to Abuja)

5. Told us they had cured one doctor (that was a lie, she had a false positive, it's common, even HIV can give false positive which is why they run the test twice at intervals)

6. Told us that they are taking good care of the infected (that was a lie, the family said so, the doctors and nurses said so, to the press)

Now they are announcing that 4 patients have been discharged. Until the families come out and announce it, I won't believe the FG and LASG. I don't know why you guys are so eager to believe people who declared they recovered 200 kidnapped girls and were shown to be liars publicly, then denied the girls were kidnapped until they were disgraced again and are now doing negotiations. Plus they told CNN you have constant electricity in your country.

As in, what more do you want before you realise that a government that allows you to pay for your own roads, hospitals, electricity and water WILL NOT DO MUCH TO PROTECT YOU MEDICALLY?

And as for the drugs they are given them, it's simple: rehydration when they are dehydrated, oxygen support when they lose breathe (which even LUTH couldn't provide, Asthma patients have died at LUTH for lack of oxygen support), so they got theirs from private hospitals, immune-boosting drugs (like how they give you when you have cold, measles or any other virus, your body is the best defence against a virus) and IV, and blood transfussions when they bleed.

It's not juju, with all those, there's a 50% survival rate. Even in Liberia with not much access to what we have, their survival rate was 60% (but their constant stupi.dity has made it drop to 40% or less)

I would rather chew Bitter Kola than take Nano Silver. And until I talk to a family member of a released infected person (which I'm going to try and do today), I'm not believing any Nigerian Minister or Commissioner.

The infected people were already getting better before they announced Nano Silver, yet all of you are jubilating. Go and buy it na, I know people who are rushing to import it. It's your money and your body, why should I stop you from doing what you feel like, I merely laughed when I saw all of bathing with salt. I will merely take even more precautions to avoid the average naija person on the street who is drinking Nano Silver and not washing hands and avoiding sick people, no vex.

infolekan: Look at this man throwing figures around....5% of their workforce.
MSF means Medicine Sans Frontiers or Doctors without Borders in plain English. Have several friends there who have been posted to Ethiopia and all.....it's an international organization that PAYS well(compared to Nigeria standard at least).
No one has asked who the so called Nano tested their drugs on.....why it hasn't been sold to Liberia and Guinea and the other countries that are worst hit.
Why the sudden shout of Nano silver? Is the average Nigeria so unintelligent or so myopic in their views to know that drugs aren't just released without an appropriate and earlier test?
Which EVD patient did THEY test it on before now that they now expect us to use our own family members and friends as Guinea pigs?
Why aren't they using it for HIV that is even more common?
How many such groundbreaking drugs have they developed and why dint the get approval from the necessary authorities as all LEGIT PHARM companies do.
It's like forever products claiming they can use their food supplements to cure HIV?
Even drugs used for Cancer still kills the human cells(that's the cause of the hairloss and all) but this wonder drugs is now being thrown at us to test the efficacy.
Not at Liberia.
Not at Guinea
Not at the Medical Personel on ground seeing the patient
But AT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to purchase in large quantity for our Guinea Pigs

May you marry a beautiful, intelligent woman who will give you smart children and may your business increase, For this reply.

However, I wouldn't recommend you select that woman off NL. From what I've seen from the past couple of weeks from "educated" nigerians on this site, majority of them....nahhhhh.....

arsetalks: What you have stated are facts THANK YOU but it is also facts that America has not shown enough willingness to help combat this challenge known as EBOLA. First they refused to give us their zmapp medication but could sent it to Spain. Then when there was a big outcry, they sent it to Liberia and now it is no longer available.

Who in the first place approved zmapp? No one. It was administered without approval just as nano silver would have if our corrupt bastardos did not accede to America's demands.

Question is, why is America against this potential curse even without any proof to show it ineffectiveness after all there was no proof that zmapp will work before it was tried!!! Thing is, if the Ebola patients are not treated, they have just less than 20% chance of survival and if Nano Silver doesn't work they will only be back to status quo. Nothing to lose here.

Why has Germany, the UK, Russia and Canada send 5% of their work force to Africa to help remedy the situation but America the supposed leader of the world refuse to follow suit?

They may be innocent but they ( America) don't help matters with their actions and inaction so far.

America didn't send Zmapp to Nigeria because:

1. THEY DON'T OWE YOU SHI.T! ARE YOU NOT THE GIANT OF AFRICA, IS AMERICA NOT "JEALOUS" OF YOU??
You cannot insult me and expect my help. My cousin was a doctor at GH Lagos Island, a man was brought in stabbed, the nurses checked blood bank and didn't have his blood type. Do you know those animal relatives of his physically attacked my cousin because of that? Is he the person in charge of the blood bank?? He was just the doctor on call that night! When one used plastic chair to hit him across the shoulder, my cousin decided to go to sleep and not treat the patient. All the doctors and nurses supported him. Everyone was now begging. THAT IS THE AVERAGE NAIJA MENTALITY FOR YOU. PFIZER DID POLIO VACCINATION IN THE NORTH AND WERE DEALT WITH, the truth is that we are seen as far too much trouble to be worth help.

2. They had no more than a 1,000 doses of every available drug. Nigeria has 15 infected patients, Liberia has over 500. Which number is greater in your mind? Can you buy N20 credit or N500 credit (tell me which is more)? SO WHOM DO YOU THINK NEEDS THE DRUGS MORE, NIGERIA OR LIBERIA AND SIERRA LEONE??

3. We knew about this outbreak since March, yet your government still didn't get anything on ground ready to contain it. As of now, WHO and Medecine Sans Frontieres are threatening to pull out of Nigeria, because your govt is playing politics and even refused to visit the isolation ward, and made the infected people's relatives PAY FOR THEIR OWN MEDICATION! Of course, donor nations are aware of what is happening in Nigeria. Nigeria has the capacity to contain this outbreak, we were the country WHO expected to be ready (they even sent videos of the situation on ground in Liberia to sensitize our doctors, it's just now the LASG is showing doctors). Instead, we are unprepared and running around looking for a "miracle".

4. Zmapp is the only drug so far that has conducted clinical trials on ebola and shown that their drug cured the disease in infected monkeys (no other drugs went that far). That's the only reason they are pushing it. Anybody who had a stockbroker in the US could buy Mapp Pharma shares, I'm pretty sure your govt officials made purchases (to make themselves rich) once the US announced Zmapp treated the US doctor and nurse effectively. While you were bathing with salt water

5. The US didn't want to send Zmapp, they developed the drug and kept it for themselves (incase they had their own outbreak). But some misguided, overhelpful people started shouting that why didn't they send it to Africa since, why has no country saved "poor, suffering Africa" (as usual), so they were forced to send it to look ethical and good. If you knew Barack Obama and understood his administration's foreign policy, it is to NOT get involved too much in external foreign conflicts of any sort. The man inherited Iraq and Afghanistan. He doesn't want more.

If I were you, I would agitate for Ben Amosu's drug to start clinical trials. We need a secure facility for it (we have none), so a team of Nigerian doctors and scientists should go to Uganda (they have a beautiful isolation hospital) or Kenya and START TESTING HIS DRUG. Or if they can get approval from infected patients, start clinical trials in Lagos. But this Nano Silver...

Anyone who believes that
1. The US hates Nigeria because of "gay marriage"
2. Nigerian Federal and state government have NEVER LIED TO US
3. That Nano Silver cures ebola and other viruses

Please come publicly and reply this message. Let us conduct human testing on you. I assure you, I will personally guarantee N300,000 to you once human trials are finished. All we do is to take you to the isolation wards and leave you there exposed. Once we do PCR test and confirm your EVD status, we give you Nano Silver and nothing more (other infected patients, whom I already have an idea of their treatments, will be the control) . If you are cured, you leave and collect your N300,000. Simple and easy.

Don't send pm or dm o! On this very thread, reply with your willingness and details. WHO is at Lagos Mainland and MSF too, so we have several witnesses.

All of you shouting US FDA hates this drug because it was released by a black man (another lie), you need to go and find out how many things you currently use that were invented by black men. Maybe you'll see the truth and stop deceiving yourselves and being happy in your ignorance.

Don't you know University of Ibadan's Dr. Aniru Conteh (a sierra leonian) was one of those who was the world expert on Lassa fever (another hemorraghic fever like ebola). The world accepted his results and findings and his treatment and he was even given awards, yet now, alll of a sudden, they hate black men for discovering "Nano silver".

If History was taught in schools and people read books, maybe we would all be educated.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aniru_Conteh

I don't believe this woman. She said due to scientific reasons she can't state now, this Nano Silver was not released to the public. What are the reasons? When Tekmira had issues with their drug and FDA, they publicly announced it and even followed up by announcing FDA's decision to allow limitied testing on healthy humans. So why is Nano silver's own story so different?

Last week, one girl (who is a makeup artist! The closest she came to Medical degree was High School Biology) on my bbm started advertising another version of Nano Silver, called Bio Silver, which she is now importing. Na wa, na so drugs wey dey cure HIV, ebola and more are so common? Forreals? Why has Congo (which had ebola outbreaks for decades, constantly) never heard of the miracle of Nano Silver? Why has South Africa not been adding Nano Silver to their drug list, after all, the Southern African countries have some of the highest HIV rates in the world, instead they are using other supplements.

The infected's father is a consultant doctor, why is he rejecting it? Yet Nigerians with no medical degree, who have never heard of PLAB, know more than this man whose child's life is in danger (wouldn't he do all to save?) Doesn't he love his child, of course he does!

Abeg, this is like Swedish Bitters, my mum too believed it could cure boils and ulcers. Now she knows it's simply a dietary supplement, helps regulate the liver but nothing more.

Let this Nano silver be tested with infected monkeys. Let the results be submitted to WHO and NAFDAC and a 3rd independent source (who can verify). Or she should take her rubbish and be quiet!

This Nano silver is cleverly being marketed to Nigeria, a country with the fewest ebola patients, the richest hypochondriacs (people who rush to hospital once their leg pains dem). Let her offer it freely to Guinea, let's see what happens in 2 weeks' time.

nora544: That is the part of the hospital in vienna for people with Ebola or other very deathly disease

Dear nora544, you just made me weep and start checking for plane tickets

Oya mods! How about we change the title of this thread to:

AMERICA REPENTS OF GAY LAW, SAYS SALT, NANO-SILVER CURES EBOLA, ALL INFECTED PATIENTS NOW DISCHARGED WITH N1MILLION THANK YOU FEE, DOCTORS NOW DOING DANFO WORK AND ARE MISERABLE, BITTER-KOLA CURES MORTALITY SEF, NIGERIA IS THE GREATEST COUNTRY HATERS GO AND DIE, UP GEJ!!

Will you finally move this thread to the front page, so we can hold a protest demanding all our governments do the right thing, before this virus spreads and we begin to sound and act like Liberians (breaking into hospitals to free patients) please?


Abeg.

Mods, can we move this to the front page? Or is this too real and honest for us to handle? We are on our own, we need to protect ourselves. Let everyone know the truth.

Why are you all shocked? Why are you shocked at our governments? We told you FG shared the $8.1mil amongst themselves and gave Lagos 20 PPE suits and took 1,000 for their protection to Abuja, we told you LASG inflated the price of each isolation tent to N20mil and nothing was provided for doctors to wear to protect themselves. You guys refused to believe that and kept insulting doctors and foreign workers. Now the families are saying the same thing. Your FG and LASG are playing politics and pandering to the masses and doing absolutely nothing, but you are calling on Jesus and saying America is out to get you. Other countries are stylishly closing their borders to Nigeria. Read the book of Jeremiah, Nigeria is Israel and Judah, willingly deaf and dumb and are looking for easy cheap miracles when hard work and harder questions at the people we gave a job to lead us is demanded.

Don't worry, most of them are sending their families out for "holiday".

[quote author=MissMeiya][/quote]At last, the truth. I said it, people didn't believe me. The families said it, people didn't believe them. The MSF are sooo annoyed. Almost all tiers of government have stolen the funds for treatment. A lot of the doctors and consultants working on the infected are people who care (Stella Adadevoh's dad was a Professor at LUTH, so a lot of doctors are very worried about her and the other doctor).

We are at our own mercies, people are believing govt who is stealing money and pastors who are collecting offerings and "financial sowing of seed" and declaring Ebola is a demon.

We're screwed.

AZeD1: Its funny how people here think a country that has put a man on the moon, has nuclear technologies is jealous of a country that doesn't even have portable water.

Ebola just like sickle cell anemia is a disease that affects Africans majorly and Africans should be at the fore front of the research and not the whites.

Of course America is jealous of us, even their slums have 24-hour light while our highbrow Ikoyi and Maitama areas just achieved 21 hours of light this year. Why won't they be jealous that our schools produce so poor graduates they must be retrained before being hired? Americans are jealous of our good values, the one which allows us to revere political looters who don't bother to hide their stealing while fighting NMA and ASUU for demanding for better services for our children and loved ones?

Those Americans. Always jealousing people whose economy is dependent on massive imports of everything including paper and toothpick and foreign investors buying up companies.

Elxandre: People on Nairaland scare me!
I mean how can educated people talk this way?

You're just realising the people who sat down beside you, who refused to ever study or read but complained of lecturers setting "tough" exams, would turn out to be stupid? Welcome to Nigeria, bro, take a seat.

"Ultimate Gay CIA Mission" or "Operation America wants To Destroy A Nation No-one Really Cares About" people are going to be praising the Lord all over this thread and congratulating themselves.

I hope Ben Amodu gets a facility and funding to test this drug (first on lab-rats and primates, then human testing). It would be great news if it passes all trials. But I'm not crazy about NAFDAC, he could use another international body. The research hospital in Kenya must have good affliations. Start there.

ayusco85: There is a reason why the united states is world power. There is a reason why we are a 3rd world country. So get it into ur thick skull that we are not yet upto to the point where we can help ourselves. Else we will ve been a 1st world country. America owe every democratic nation a helping hand. Afterall they are the once who want to run the world.

I am smarter and better than you. If you like, come and tell me I owe you because of that, see if I won't use a cane on your silly bottom.

@MissMeiya, I'm co-opting Ultimate Gay Mission, that line is too sweet, lol!

We had UniIbandan's virology lab, we had Irrua Specialist Hospital, even LUTH, all functioning years ago.

But rather than develop, Nigerians CHOOSE to live in ignorance. I used to get upset till I realised Nigerians preferred to be ignorant.

We distrust anyone who is very smart, intellectual or even reads a book because we are physically hardworking but mentally stu.pid.

Case in point: I announced how much it would cost for latex gloves, face-masks and a full hazmat suits (I didn't add a kobo, we were even going to pay shipping ourselves). I said we should donate it to our hospitals, because if our hospital staff was protected, our chance of survival was high.
NOT ONE PERSON SHOWED. Infact, the only people that agreed were atheists (and I'm not one). One said to me "if you had been a pastor calling for special offering against diseases, you would gotten the money in a week, max".

The rest were too busy screaming Ultimate Gay Conspiracy CIA Mission and Operation Kill A Country Too Stupid To Fund Malaria Research Even Talkless of Ebola.

As in, walai, Nigerians' sense of entitlement is magnificient. Dear Nigerians, stop thumping on your chest, you're a giant of Africa in your mind only. If you were truly respected, you wouldn't be begging for visas from every country, Arabs and Asians won't be building your roads, running better healthcare facilities than you, running your telecomms companies, running your television cable companies, running almost everything infact while you are begging for visa to go and wash plate in Hungary sef and insulting the US of A.

You'll see, after this outbreak, someone will say "let's fund hospital care instead of offerings and insist GEJ only win 2015 if he builds a fully functional research lab for common malaria and measles" and Nigerians will scream "that's stealing from God! My pastor deserves a private jet! GEJ till infinity, APC is out to destroy him!" Blah blah blah...

And it is NEVER our fault, we are under-developed because a Western country wants to "hold us down", because China Qatar and Malaysia, they got tired of trying to "hold them down", abi? We went from making tanks in Biafra to importing bullets, from exporting the world's supply of Groundnuts to importing even paper. And it is STILL NOT YOUR FAULT YOU HAVE FALLEN SO LOW.

2 years ago, I nearly cried when I couldn't get Nigerians to donate for scholarships to give some LASG govt-run highschool kids (who had built systems to recycle plastics into energy or reusable materials). I couldn't get people to volunteer to refurbish a school in Ajegunle. I struggled to find people willing to sign up to organise a summer teaching camp for any child, priviledged or under-priviledged (so as to teach them more than our obsolete education syllabus). Nigerians would either want to hear gist of what I was saying, then send bc or tweet and clap for themselves that that had achieved much or would happily tell me while those schemes would fail, without offering solutions.

Seriously, China should come and colonise us. Africans are helpless, foolish children, we don't understand freedom or how to use it. We certainly are not worthy of the resources God has given us. And even worse, we are shamelessly happy about our ignorance.

[quote author=deeobserver209][/quote]Africa always had outbreaks of diseases. Yoruba people carved a deity to worship the god of Smallpox (deadlier than ebola) called "sopona", hoping that by worshipping him, he would spare them. I know other tribes had gods to different diseases, and others would chase sick people into the evil forest (I can confirm that happened in Edo and Delta states, in the past, under the Bini Kingdom).

FG stopped teaching History in school, so you never knew this.

Stop claiming "dirty no dey kill black man", that's the reason we're in this mess now. Because we CHOOSE to be ignorant and are happy in our ignorance.

There's a very simple reason armed men attacked an isolation clinic:

BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT THE VACCINE/CURE THAT CANADA, US AND OTHER COUNTRIES SENT WAS THERE.
And they also want medical supplies.

Desperate people resort to desperate measures, sadly.

Simples.

donigspain: Oga, siddon there dey spew jargon while I dust my shoes and off I zoom to Lafia. Ever wonder why most of our university lecturers are not super-rich? They dwell too much on theories while the smart illiterates take the bull by the horn.

Actually, theories exist because they are right. Let me explain how the cost is passed down to you.
You hoard the goods and sit on it till demand exceeds supply. Then sell for an inflated price. While you are happily counting your profit, the buyer has to transport it to a market for consumption, to cover his cost of buying expensive from you, he and his driver inflate their own transport price and sell it to market woman at 200% more than what they buy from you. Market women then inflate and sell to a consumer for 300% inflation.
That is how 6 big oranges from Ondo state bought at N50 end up costing N400 in Lagos (my personal experience).

Problem is, the city consumes a lot of food but provides even more to the countryside. So because it becomes so expensive to live in the city, it costs even more to send products OUT of the city (petrol in Lagos is N97, the farther away from Lagos it is, it gets more expensive, upto N150, because the ports are in Lagos and they have to be transported). Same thing happens to other commodities like clothing and building materials, cars and anything you cannot buy in your village/town that must come from the city: those that live in an expensive city will not sell you their goods cheaply. So building a house in Ondo becomes more expensive and having a car in Ondo costs more (mr Biggs in Ondo town is more expensive than in Lagos because they add the fee of transporting their packaging to your food, same with mineral and beer in the east, a crate is more expensive than in Lagos). Inflation doesn't go away by itself, so inflation in Lagos will be transferred to you in Awka/Abeokuta/Lafia.

So your profit goes into buying expensive city items. The only reason your electricity bill in the village is not more expensive is due to government regulation. Even that trader buying from you has less money to spend in the trickle-back chain and if this year, he bought 10 bags, next year he will buy 8 bags, so he can maintain his profit. So you lose in the end.

There's a reason governments regulate the prices of stuff even when not in season. It's to ensure profiteering doesn't destroy the economy. And while you are there depending on your agent to sell to a one-man business, companies like Spar are looking at setting up canning factories close to areas where food is produced, so they can package their own and sell at a fixed price to consumers. There are a lot of consumables people no longer buy in open market but go directly to supermarket because it is cheaper (I buy poundo yam in the supermarket because it is N40 cheaper than in open market). Yam sellers are now losing profits because a lot of city people are buying like me, so they are forced to sell to the company that make poundo yam at a reduced price.
Economists did I get it right or I goofed??

Quite a lot of childish responses on this thread.

Cohabition depends on the couple. Religiously, it isn't ideal. But I know coupls who lived together (for different reasons) before marriage and are still together. If you and your partner are moving to a new, expensive city together, it may not make a lot of financial sense for you to be renting separately (try moving to London), as long as you've both decided you want to settle down maritally in the future (I know several who did this, still married).
Also, I meet guys in their 30s who insist on living together for 1-3 months before they get married to the girl (they don't want too many surprises after marriage). Like one said, "it will take a lot for me to break up with a girl whom I've asked to move in with me and she should know once I asked that request, we're getting married in 4 months' time". Not every man is like this, so you have to take your time and listen carefully to him (a man who is serious about your future won't jeopardise it anyhow by asking you to move in with him selfishly for his own comfort, you would have met his siblings/friends/relatives by then, to show his seriousness).

Moving in with a guy is no guarantee of settling down with him, and living apart is no guarantee either. My family won't allow it till he has done the needful of declaring his intentions to both set of parents.

Well, clearly some parts of Festac must be in Ogun state, as they have had 1 hour of light, since Sunday last week. And I was there for the entire week. I heard Abuja is the place that gets constant light and in certain parts of Lekki (Nicon town), it's light for hours. As in, we are surprised when they take it.

So I tried the mayo mix as a dc and my hair came out soft. My friend said she can't even use coconut r, as any protein makes her hair hard and dry. So I recommended olive oil or sweet almond oil.

I think my hair is also fine with washing with Dudu Osun (I've read online of how drying it can be, so hopefully I'll remember to put olive oil as a pre-oil treat before I wash).

Please let's revive this thread and keep spammers away.

anonimi: Everything is good about your numerous posts on this thread and subject except SINGLING out ONLY the federal government to be chastised.
I imagine that you are aware how excellent Fashola sent his father to the UK for treatment while at the same time threatening to sack Lagos doctors on strike.
Moreover the BASIC issues of sanitation, hygiene & environmental work/ MONITORING is the constitutional RESPONSIBILITY of the states and LGAs, which ensures PREVENTION, which is better than cure.

Thanks for your personal engagement in helping out as best you can to fight this epidemic outbreak.

Don't worry, I'm not a fan of Fashola or his govt, I've had to work with them. Bunch of clowns I've been doing some research, basic hazmat suits cost about N7,200 without spare nitrile gloves. Please can we task our churches, our offices, everyone, to please donate so we can provide them? If you wait for government (state or FG), they won't arrive till who knows.

Nuzo1: Some of you Drs exhibit a high level of superiority complex that can't be explained.

The survival of an Ebola patient has little to do with the presence of a Dr but the availability of the drugs....at least for now.

See your mouth like 'baff with salt water' as if Drs have the cure.

errmmmm, I'm an Engineer. My knowledge of Nigerian Medical practise comes from working with Charity organisations targeted at Education and Healthcare.

Last monday, doctors "on strike", joined LASG for teaching programs on ebola. (While you went to work/did your hustle/did 419 or whatever and got enough money to eat 3 meals that day.) When one asked that the Commissioner or Minister (your LASG and FG representative) to wear the protective gear and demo giving an IV to an infected patient, excuses such as "they havent practised medicine in years" were made.
Lagos was given 20 PPE suits for ebola. 20 suits, then they sent 1,000 suits to Abuja (a city with NOT ONE EBOLA PATIENT) and are neglecting infected patients in Lagos. How many hospitals do you have in Lagos?

Don't worry, you don't need doctors at all. I heard Anapuna salt is super-effective against ebola. Use 2 cups, you hear?? Because one pastor said evil spirits wake up at 3am. Lol

davo3286: This is a very good step in the right direction by the FG. A very good gameplan. So, game on! Doctors hold Nigerians and FG for throat, FG hold them for blokos so 1-1 . So, because you want your demands met then poor Nigerians must die from their ailments ehn?!

Your FG is very good. Please read this thread below to see how excellent they are

https://www.nairaland.com/1858210/lagos-ebola-patients-neglectedcritically-ill

Don't forget to baff with salt+water today o!

dollarsplenty: Let's be objective in our comments. i think we need to hear reactions from d other party. tho naija govt is always in bad light before its citizens. govt has to state their own part of the story because it will be very callous to have acted in such way.

Lol, your govt that is corrupt and inept, is whom you believe now? When people were saying on nl "the nurse ran to Enugu and the driver ran away also", and meanwhile govt said it had everyone under isolation. Only for them to announce this week they had finally found the nurse.
You are probably waiting for people to start falling on the street before realising how much govt has been lying.

When govt gave LASUTH 3 biohazard suits, for hundres of staff to use, you guys were insulting doctors.

When FG only sent $1mil to Lagos and announced that they had sent $8.1mil, you guys were insulting doctors.

When Fashola said each isolation tent costs N20mil, when they are cheaper in outbreak countries, you guys were insulting NMA.

Please go and call GEJ, Fashola and their new unexperienced locum drs and consultant nurses to take care of these poor people.

I was trying to raise money to donate towards medical supplies for the outbreak. When I heard what govt was doing, I cried and stayed in my house.


Till now, no-one has bought biohazard suits out. Yet they are expected to treat a highly infectious disease.

And now they've fired people who gave them the only good advice. And you are all happy. LASG staff told their own doctors and nurses family members not to go to IDF but announced that everything was getiing better and they needed volunteers. You all gullibly fell for it.

Please look up all my previous posts on NL.

Leopantro: you are wasting your time trying to enlighten Nigerians. they are ready to bathe with salt and kerosene because they got a phone call that evil spirits would be released by 3am.

Lol, very true.

Guys, relax! RELAX!

We've got pastors and imans and this guy below. We don't need doctors. Plus, we can get salt from them anytime we need to bathe.

We're gonna be finnnnneeeee

warrior01: Story that touches the heart. sobs.......
Notwithstanding, Nigerian doctors remains the most useless of them all. Trust me; am talking from experience.

Let me give you my personal gist. Take a cold zobo, pull up a chair

I had an illness, which I never had before. But I couldn't afford to go to a doctor for a whole month, so suffered, as in truly suffered. Till I told Pharmacist A, who screamed I should head to the hospital asap.

A nurse came, took N15,000 equivalent from me, filled out my history, the doctor came and in a bored voice, without doing a single physical exam, started asking me if I had HIV, Herpes, this STI or that. While I wept.

Doctor B heard what happened to me and sent me to another clinic. Filled with wonderful people, who ran tests and answered his questions via email. We got a diagnosis and I left healed. I paid nothing.

That story happened in the US. That bored, private doctor charged me over a $100 and assumed my black skin meant I was a crackhead, streetgirl and didn't bother treating me, just assumed I had some funky disease. The pharmacist A and doctor B were living in Nigeria, and insisted (over the phone and through emails) that I get better healthcare. They found me a free clinic and the nurses there were willing to listen and discuss my case with them, because I was so weak and tired and afraid by then.

So yes, you have lousy doctors in Nigeria, yet you have doctors in this Nigeria, better than the ones in the US. If they had good facilities, we wouldn't have half-baked doctors. Stop insulting them, demand your govt give them everything, then demand the absolute best from doctors. Because then it will be your right.

Public healthcare is usually not great, ask people who have access to NHS in the UK. But it is still the first and best line of defence any country has. I got a lousy doctor in the US because my health coverage (made for profit) didn't cover me getting a doctor who gave a d.amn. I got fantastic treatment from people who ran free clinics. So I will always be in support of public healthcare. And I support doctors, so that if we give them what they want, we can shout at them for not performing.

You want them to all resume with no Hazmat suits, don't you know the greatest carriers of an infectious viral disease is medical staff and close family and friends? SMH.

Bluetooth2: The same doctors that couldn't diagnose Gani Fawehinmi's cancer ? Stop celebrating medicority !

Until medical doctors in Nigeria learn to regard other health workers, they can go fuckthemselves.

See oh, what I have seen in Nigeria is that, the quality of doctor you get depends on who you know and how polite you are. I was very sick recently, and saw a doctor (a lousy one) and nurses (horrifyingly bad to the point that I used to request only one particular nurse) at a private hospital. Immediately a former consultant at LUTH came to visit me and asked for a referral, I got 3 Consultants, 1 Internist and 1 Surgeon looking at my case file. It took them 2 hours to demand tests from the best lab in the country.

In a week, I was better. Because money does not get you the best doctors in Nigeria, having a doctor in your family who is very respected will get you the numbers of the only 3 Neurosurgeons in Nigeria. Give them good facilities, most doctors are not demanding to be richer than bank manager sef (unless our specialists, like Cardiovascular Surgeon or Research Paedetrician).

Cooking the right soup for the right doctor will get you better healthcare in Nigeria than millions. Nurses in private hospitals will NEVER wear latex glove to give you injection, yet we continually shout "HIV, HIV", go to Nig. Navy hospital in Ojo, thos nurses won't do breast exam without gloves sef, you will feel so unloved. But that is what every nurse should be doing. Yet they want to be called "Consultant Nurse". Me, I don't mind Dr. Pharmacist or anyone who has earned the right to that title, with experience and first-class training. Raise the bar high, for everyone, then tell them "you will get all your needs met and have a seat on the board, with experience and training".

Most Nigerian nurses were unaware of an ebola outbreak in West Africa, in May, when I asked. Even one geh calling herself "pyschologist" at private hospital was unaware, talkless of the GP that worked in her hospital. I almost wept.