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Jeromejnr:
So do you have concrete proof that it was by happen chance and not design?

Or your just assuming?.

My opinion.

HCpaul:
Well, your belief in God will not validate his existence. Hmm... Don't play with eternity. Well, Jesus created you and he is coming back to judge you.

I will judge him too.

Jeromejnr:
Yea, its not perfectly designed that was why scientists say that if the earth was not slightly tilted as it is that there won't be seasons as we know them and if the earth were to move out of its orbit a few inches there won't be existence of life.

Ya, I get you.

The first part is happenchance, not design. The second part is not true--scientists do not claim that the earth would not support life were it a few inches out of orbit. In any case the earth varies widely in its distance from the sun.

OK so she is willing to accept illusory correlations as proof of god. Fine, but I don't accept that as proof. Plus the earth does not seem perfectly designed to me. Rather it is a ball of chaos.

marshalcarter:
Still in love with ma GOD...

And in your signature you say:

I love bad b1tches dats ma fvckin problem

Therefore, God is a bad b1tch?

Just wondering.

What she needs to understand is that belief cannot be forced. You either believe or you don't. For example, I can't imagine how I could force myself to believe that 2+2=5. It simply isn't going to happen.

HCpaul:
But i tell you, you are god.

All other gods are not god but idols. Like bowing down and worshiping stone that cannot talk, see, or move. Is just a foolishness for a living being to choose a non-living thing as God. How will something that cannot talk bless me that can talk? How will something that i create glorify my destiny?

All other gods are gods but they are dead, my own God is God and he is living.

I am not god. I do to many silly things to be a god. But if you are your own god, fine, just remember to not take yourself too seriously.

Almost all of us are atheists to some degree. I'm sure there are thousands of gods you don't believe in. When you understand why you don't believe in those other gods, you'll understand why we don't believe in yours.

Lukay99:
All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.

Just be aware that this quote (what you put in bold) does not appear in the hadiths. The most reliable hadith collectors (Muslim and Bukhari) do not mention this phrase about black and white. And beyond that there are multiple versions of Muhammad's last sermon, of which the Shia's version is very different.

Good post. Many people are sheep because they want to be. I don't have a drop of faith anywhere in my body, never have, and I suppose I never will. Fear is irrelevant in this case.

I don't think that Muhammad said that black people go to hell. There is nothing in the hadiths about that. The only thing I can find which could be considered vaguely racist was that Muhammad said that Satan looked like a black man.

adewalker:
. My brother there is indeed a God,bt u are not just in the right path to Him,pls don't mind wat people say,my brother find out about Islam on ur own,don't let here say cloud ur judgement,in the quran God says,how can you not believe in God,when he created u out of nothing,then u will be brought back to Him

Islam and Christianity are no different than African, Roman, Greek, or Indian mythology.

CaptainJune:
BRIGHTRIVERS and Youngpol,
have you read the stories of the following former atheists who died and why they gave their lives to Christ?


Thomas Welch. He fell from a great height and died instantly.

Howard Storm. Had a fatal disease and died after a nurse told him that a surgeon could not be found that day to treat him even though she expressed hope that one would be found the next day.

Ian McCormack. He went swimming with some friends in Mauritius, was stung by a box-jellyfish and died later.

Dr Eben Alexander. A neurosurgeon and atheist. Went into three weeks of coma when he succumbed to meningitis. All that time in coma, his brain was dead, yet he had consciousness.

These are just a few but are eye openers to let you know that atheists bask in ignorance, that is, until they come face to face with reality, especially through death, and all their argument against God's existence crumble into pieces.

Of course, there are former atheists who didn't need death to convince them of the truth in the Bible, but who can win an argument against death?

Empty claims, all of them. Nothing at all to back up anything they say. There is no way to prove or disprove anything they said.

CaptainJune:
Clearly, you've not met someone with the gift of prophecy neither have you met a prophet.

True, because neither exists.

BRIGHTRIVERS:
But how do we explain Miracles and prophesies done in churches? ..if there can be a Spiritual healing to a problem science can't solve,don't u think there's a spiritual being somewhere :.

Also,if a Prophet can tell you a problem going on in your Family without u havin told him... Dnt u think there's a spiritual being somewhere??

All of these are just very clever fakers. They have been exposed as frauds many times.

Reyginus:
But that's not the question. Let me rephrase.

When you have reason you have conviction. Yes or No? If yes what is conviction? If No, can reason then happen?

Can you ever be 100% certain? You should always be open to the possibility of being wrong for one reason or another. Humility should be a primary trait for someone who prefers reason over faith. However, I can accept that 2+2 =4 with conviction because all other answers are falsifiable.

Reyginus:
Ahhh! More claims. Well very good.

How do you know that reason is good? When you say reason is the opposite of faith and reason is above all and you have this convinction, what then?

Reason is subject to testing, inference, and empirical evidence. Faith is not.

Reyginus:
And after acquiring reason you have the conviction (faith) that it is the ultimate?

Reason is the opposite of faith.

BRIGHTRIVERS:
4 years now i've been sorrounded by friends that are atheist.Almost everyday we argue If actually there's God or not.I've always believed there's God,tho i've not seen him.But jst recently d points made by my atheist frnds keep ringging a strong bell in my mind and now i've missed Sunday service 4 about 4straight sundays and stil counting..now i'm begining to think there's no God up there.How do i get back on track?? i've received advices to quit d frndship with my atheist frnds,but that will not be healthy for my accademic life. Guys help!

You don't need help. You have just realized that you were wearing mental chains which you can now remove. Faith is useless once you have acquired reason.

The legend

Scientists have not yet explained everything. However they are making good progress. Maybe we'll know the answer in a few years. Remember that 200 years ago most people thought that illness had spiritual origins until scientists explained it.

Jesus is so late that not even Africans can claim him. He's a super-special late like no one in history.

Kind of funny that anyone trying to preach a new religion in Saudi Arabia would be treated much worse than anything Muhammad was complaining about. Their human rights would definitely be violated--by Muslims.

In any case, these passages certainly justify the need for revenge by Muslims, who can simply claim virtually anything--even the mildest offense such as criticism of Muhammad--as a form of oppression and then attack. Some of these extremist Muslims groups use verses like these to justify their behavior.

And when you have groups who believe that God authorizes revenge, then when fighting starts, the only logical conclusion is that there will be an endless cycle of violence until one side destroys or conquers the other, which is so common in the Middle East.

These verses can mean anything to anybody. You're as bad as the Christians.

Muhammad in a hadith says that god commanded him to go and fight until the world accepts Islam. This hadith is found in both Bukhari and Muslim. This outranks any commentary from any scholar.

texanomaly:
Some "jokes" are not funny no matter how good your sense of humor.

Many theists have accused the atheists of being capable of doing the most evil things (such as eating a beautiful baby), and so idea of atheists eating babies was adopted by atheists as a joke reference to those accusations. If theists would have only left atheists alone then this joke wouldn't exist.

I don't necessarily find it particularly funny but it doesn't bother me.

Demmzy15:
I started everything clearly, even Umar who narrated the hadith you quoted above @emboldened acted upon this command when he was the Leader of Muslims. He moved all Jews to Taymâ and Arîhâ. He was with the Prophet when he said it and he acted upon it, he didn't drive them out totally. He only moved them out of Hijaz and its environs.

You should be aware that a lot of Muslims disagree with you and do not like the Hindu temple being built.

Demmzy15:
You need to know what you're saying so as you won't misinform. Understanding is a great virtue and I think you lack that. We have enough Jews and Christians in the Arabian peninsula with Jews in Saudi Arabia until the declaration of Israel.

When the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) gave commands to his companions he spoke using the terminology and the language that they were familiar with. Thus, the regions mentioned were defined according to the cultural and geopolitical setting in Arabia. If we look at how the Prophet's comnpanions understood and implemented his directives, we are able to develop a better understanding of what the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) intended.

This was why Umar(RadiAllahu Anha) acted upon this orders by relocating the Jews:

`Umar sent them to Taymâ and Arîhâ. This is proof that the Prophet (peace be upon him) intended that the Jews and Christians should be evicted from only part of the Arabian Peninsula, specifically the region of Hijâz.
This is because Taymâ is part of the Arabian Peninsula but outside of Hijâz." (Sharh Sahîh Muslim 10/212-213)

"Al-Shâfi`î understood the ruling to apply to part of the Arabian Peninsula, namely the Hijâz region.
For him this is Makkah, Madînah, al-Yamâmah and their environs. It does not include Yemen and other areas of the Arabian Peninsula." (Sharh Sahîh Muslim 11/93-94)

"The pagans are not allowed to settle specifically in the Hijâz region, meaning Makkah, Madînah, al-Yamâmah, and their environs.
It does not apply to other regions that are considered part of the Arabian Peninsula. This is because everyone is agreed that they may live in Yemen, though it is part of the Arabian Peninsula. This is the opinion of the majority of scholars." (Fath al-Bârî 6/198)

So this is why you can find churches, synagogues in other parts of the Arabian peninsula but not in Saudi Arabia. The areas I emphasized in "red" are found in Saudi Arabia, so don't get it twisted. These areas are sanctuaries to Muslims and it must be respected.

Sahih Muslim #1767a: "It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say:
'I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.'

It cannot get any clearer than that. But given the comments on the issue made by the scholars you cite, it seems that, once again, religious scripture means whatever people want it to mean (but we've known that forever. Secondly, this is more proof that religious scripture is a mish-mash of contradicting statements concocted by humans.

Do you really think that Muhammad would allow a new pagan temple to be constructed in Arabia, given his contempt for them as seen in the Quran?

AllNaijaBlogger:
Atheists


Sha, the presenter was right- some of these churches beg for tithe like no man's business. Shame.

And for the people who give tithes to these charlatans, you could almost consider it a tax on stupidity.

I think this is a good step for the rulers of Abu Dhabi. When you consider that Muhammad ordered the Muslims to expel all the polytheists, Jews, and Christians from the Arabian peninsula, it's nice to see them allowing them to return and build places of worship (even if I am an atheist). Tolerance of peaceful religious practices is better than intolerance. The next step should be Saudi Arabia.

musKeeto:
Eat that cute baby in the name of the Lawd..

Probably would go well with red wine.

musKeeto:
We have no morals. We eat babies

But not just any kind of baby. We may not have morals but we do have taste.

Very nice. It's amazing how many stupid people there are in the world.